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what an exciting night to kick off the 2016 election. hillary clinton said she is heaving a sigh of relief. is it too soon? that race is too close to call. next week we' it all over again in new hampshire. what do you think? please post at the kelly file. thanks. welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. the results from iowa are now in. fox news is projecting that texas senator ted cruz is the winner of the republican iowa caucuses with almost 28% of the vote. donald trump in second with 24%. senator marco rubio in third place with 23%. on the democratic side at this hour, the caucuses are still too close to call. hillary clinton, bernie sanders now in a dead heat. earlier tonight after his big win senator cruz celebrated with his supporters in the hawkeye state. take a look. >> god bless the strait great state of iowa.
>> tonight is a victory for the grassroots. tonight is a victory for courageous conservatives across iowa and all across this great nation. and the next president of the united states will not be chosen by the media, will not be chosen by the lobbyists, will not be chosen by the washington establishment. but will be chosen by the most incredible, powerful force, with all so forth resides in our nation by we the people, the american people. >> joining us now with reaction from the washington times, charles hurt, fox news contributor kerstin powers, and fox news legal analyst peter johnson jr. welcome you all. what a night. so many different story lines. one, the media, the polls wrong again. just like in 2000, 2004, 2008.
two, if you add up trump and cruz and carson, you have got over 60% of republicans and anti-establishment night. an insurgency year this is turning into. and three, hillary the big loser of the night. peter johnson jr.? >> yeah, i think you're hitting a lot of the points here. we're seeing a three-person race at this point. big night for marco rubio. big night for ted cruz. bad night for donald trump. proves that he is not what the press was saying that he was. he is invincible. he may not be indomitable. he is vulnerable. he is still a great candidate and a viable candidate, but he's got his problems going forward. and obviously he made some mistakes in terms of skipping the fox debate and some other tactical issues. so we've seen trump, the bubble has burst tonight. >> i don't know if i -- i might
disagree with you, peter. i would actually say the republicans, the top three all had a big win in some way. here is my analysis. all right. ted cruz proves hard work pays off. he does the full grassley. all 99 counties, retail politics pays off. trump, on paper in a state that huckabee and santorum won, probably i think his analysis was right. he probably did get the advice from political experts, don't go to iowa. it's probably a hard state for you to win. and third, i'd say yeah, marco rubio outperformed all expectations and all the poll numbers. big win for him in that regard. what is your take? >> i would just say there is a difference between fandom and supporters. a lot of people will go see donald trump at a rally because they love his television show, they like what he has to say. but the cruz folks, the rubio folks, those people were supporters. they came out and they worked this election. and the results show.
the results show. >> yeah, absolutely, organization still matters. charles, we've got to admit here, iowa is a retail political state, and people expect to be courted and have their -- for you to shake their hands and kiss their babies and go to their meetings and have coffee in their coffee shops. and for the most part, trump defied that typical model or old-fashioned model. >> sure. and ted cruz's victory tonight, you cannot take it away from him. it's tremendous. >> agreed. >> he got a record number of -- in history of republican caucusgoers. so it's tremendous. but the flip side of it is, and you touched on this, look at the -- the iowa gop caucusgoers don't have a record in the past of picking the potential winner. the last few times rick santorum and mike huckabee. ted very much used their
playbook. a huge ground game. he went all in there. you know, courted statewide. and ultimately had to win, and also used -- was very overtly religious about courting evangelical voters. and so while tremendous victory, if you look back at the past couple of years, the past 16 years, it doesn't necessarily translate into places like new hampshire and then going forward. >> but you know what? he did show hard work pace off. >> yes. >> going to all 9 counties pays off. retail politics works. and he is still in second in new hampshire. now it will be interesting to see polls in the next two or three days, although i think quoting polls should be a thing of the past. kerstin, there is no doubt in my mind the biggest loser tonight is hillary clinton. she could spin it any way she wants. what i saw tonight was a very angry candidate, very frustrated. ed henry reporting that she was supposed to do a rope line.
it was supposed to be a big celebration. and then she literally shifts radically to the left on gay rights, on free tuition, on obamacare. i mean, she sounded like bernie sanders in her speech, except an angrier, insincere version. >> yeah, i agree with almost everything that you said. so first of all she can't celebrate because the results haven't been really called yet. so there is nothing to celebrate. but here is the thing. in the same way that ted cruz had to win iowa, bernie sanders really had to win iowa. hillary, this is not a state that is built for hillary because it was an extreme -- it's already an extremely liberal electorate in a normal caucus. if you look at the numbers that we've had tonight, you have 10% more people identifying as very liberal than you even had in 2008. so it was already a very liberal electorate, maybe even more liberal. you have 43% of likely
caucusgoers identified in a recent poll had identified themselves as socialist. so these are people that are predisposed to bernie sanders half. hillary clinton had to do is hold him at bay. it really was bernie's to lose. i don't think you can read so much into this in terms of how this is going to affect hillary down the road. and the other thing, this is extremely white state. and she does much better, she is going to do much better probably with african american voters. and so i think -- really think you can overread this, shawn, because you hate hillary. >> no, it's not that i hate hillary. i'll tell you what. when you compare the speeches tonight, peter johnson jr., bernie sanders to me, he is a true believer. he is the real deal. he is a socialist. hillary, angry, shifting on the fly, seeming to be the politician. she'll become whatever she needs to be to win. and i don't think anger and switching your opinions and your core values is going to win you the race in the long run. >> i think older and younger voters both, even when they don't agree with bernie sanders, and i vigorously disagree, and i
know you do, they say there is an honesty about him. there is an integrity in terms of his beliefs, no matter how misguided there is a fervor. there is a deep decency that he exemplifies there is a belief system that transcends money and power and connections and e-mails, and people say yeah, that's the america that i want, as much as he is misguided. i saw the same thing in rubio's speech tonight. a young vital guy. a guy strong enough to say i'm proud of my immigrant roots, even when some candidates want to attack candidates. i say this as the face of a new republican party that is shaking out tonight. >> two of the top three hispanic americans who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. that's the republican party. that's not the democratic party. that's what i saw tonight.
>> and charles, you've been pretty much a strong supporter of donald trump. i've got to believe now, especially after new hampshire, that a lot of these candidates are going to begin to drop out. it seems to me that the establishment will coalesce around marco rubio. it's interesting to me because he was a tea party favorite back in 2010. but for comprehensive immigration reform, i think he would have had a lot more support from conservatives. but that's been a big obstacle for him. >> of course, that's also going to be a very big problem for ted cruz going forward. if the establishment does start pressuring some of the other candidates to get out, that money and that support can go behind some establishment person, i think that that -- it's not going to hurt just donald trump, it's going hurt ted cruz as well. but going back to something you were talking about how so many people got everything wrong here. one of my favorite things that got wrong that we saw tonight that was clearly wrong was that very gracious concession speech
that donald trump gave. everyone, every single one, everybody in the media predicted that if he suffered a single little loss somewhere, he would lose it. he couldn't handle it. everything would fall apart. and that's not at all what happened. he walked out there. he thanked iowa. he said he was honored to come in second place. and he reminded people that he had no business coming in second place, which is true. he had no business coming in second place in iowa. yet he did. >> and peter, i actually agree with charles on this. >> i do too. on paper, it's not a state that i think anyone would have predicted that he would even be competing in. >> it's incredible that he did as well as he did coming from where he started. and the donald trump that i saw tonight is the donald trump that i know well and that i like. i represented donald trump. i disagree with him on a lot of things that he has done and that he said. but i do believe that he has the good of the country in mind.
and if he can start to talk about policies and facts and proposals and a way forward, then he can win this nomination. if he doesn't, he will lose. and this is the breaking point from now. >> would you say, peter, two improvements that his campaign could make, one is organization. ted cruz had a phenomenal organization. >> right. >> if he duplicates that in new hampshire and south carolina, he will be a formidable candidate. if rubio continues this, he will be formidable. it seems to me organization was lacking for trump in iowa, number one. and number two, yeah, i agree with both you guys. that's a side of trump that is humble, that was empathy there, a little humility, and a graciousness that i think would serve him well if he continues it. >> personally, there is a kindness and there is a generosity about him in so many things that people haven't seen that hasn't come through.
all that being said, he lost in the state of iowa. as much as he said that he was going to win. and all the polls were wrong. and a lot of the people who said that they were going to vote for him didn't for whatever reason. they need to understand why they didn't. >> certainly a big night for ted cruz by winning. new hampshire is now, what, a week from today. if we're looking at the real hours eastern time. all right. one last question for kerstin, because kerstin, i want to go back. whether it's 49.8 for hillary and 49.6 for bernie sanders, how do you say that that's a win when she was the front-runner the entire time. there was an expectation that she would run away with it? >> well, there was an expectation before bernie sanders really became a serious candidate and took off. she has, you know, an opponent. and if you're going to look at this state, this is a state that is much more favorable to bernie
sanders in a million different ways. i listed them. i didn't even get into all the different there are many other ways that it favors him. i think if you look at this state, it's not representative of most other states and certainly not the states that are going to be coming after new hampshire. and i think that he should have won. in the same way i think that on the republican side, i don't think donald trump needed to win here. i think if you had one, it would have been a huge deal. it would have been a game changer, but he didn't need to win. ted cruz needed to win because this state is built for ted cruz and ted cruz had poured everything into it. i think she through organization was able to hold him at bay. but i don't think this was a state running against him where she was coming up fair. >> thanks for being with us and staying up late. coming up, we'll have a lot more analysis on the breaking news tonight out of iowa. senator ted cruz, he comes out on top of the republicans on the democratic side at this hour, the race still too close to call between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. we'll check in with monica
i stand here tonight breathing a big sigh of relief. thank you, iowa. i will keep fighting for you. i will always work to achieve the america that i believe in where the promise of that dream that we hold out to our children and our grandchildren never fade. but inspires generations to come. join me. let's go win the nomination. thank you all and god bless you! >> if i think about what happened tonight, i think the people of iowa have sent a very profound message to the political establishment, to the economic establishment, and by the way, to the media establishment. that is given the enormous crisis facing our country. it is just too late for
establishment politics and establishment economics. >> all right. that was hillary clinton and bernie sanders addressing their supporters earlier tonight. at this hour, the iowa dramatic caucuses still too close to call. but the candidates now in a virtual tie. joining us now, fox news contributors monica crowley, doug schoen. i watch bernie sanders. i see a guy that is sincere and honest and true to his beliefs that is coming from his heart. now, he is wrong on everything, and he is a socialist. and i watch hillary clinton, an angry politician, upset she didn't win, and then she makes this dramatic shift tonight. gay rights, abortion, obamacare, free college, global warping, and she tries to sound like bernie sanders. >> all true. look, the key tonight is she did not lose. it's a tie. bernie sanders had a good night. but she was not -- >> doug, this is a bad night for her. she lost. >> sean, sean, i don't need the help. but trust me, by not losing she
is able to maintain her firewall in the south. this is good news for her. a lot better than a lot of people expected when they saw the turnout numbers. >> monica, i disagree with our friend doug. i think this is a huge loss for hillary. i don't care how you spin it, they did not think bernie sanders would take iowa. >> correct. i mean, look. this fact that bernie sanders was able to fight hillary clinton to a tie, to a statistical draw in the state of iowa is an astonishing achievement for bernie sanders. after all, he is the 74-year-old dishevelled socialist. and he basically tied wit the prohibitive favorite. remember, sean, 12 months ago, hillary clinton was leading bernie sanders by a whopping 50 points. and tonight it's too close to call. she will go into new hampshire a very wounded and bloodied candidate. he is going to clobber her. he is going to clobber her in the state of new hampshire.
the point is they had to wound her at the polls, weaken her going into the south. and then, you know, the fbi investigation hanging over her head, they could go in for the cow coupe degras. >> did the full grassley, 9 nine counties and football every hand, played retail politics. hard work pays off for him. now, analysis. does he take that moment into new hampshire? >> i think he will. there is a couple of buts. first, will donald trump be able to maintain the level of support he's had. i'm not sure he will. and second, the big question is will marco rubio be able to consolidate the so-called establishment republican support that has been divided three or four-ways and become a real alternative to either cruz or trump. more likely cruz. that to me is the big question. >> you know, but monica, as i stated at the beginning of the show, over 60% of the vote in
iowa, which by the way reflected the polls that show the republicans feel betrayed by washington republicans, over 60% of that vote went to insurgency candidates. so i'm -- to me, if that model continues, even if the establishment coalesces around marco, does that work? >> well, there is a huge lesson coming out of iowa, sean. you hit the nail on the head. a little over 60% went for anti-establishment candidates. that is cruz, trump, and ben carson, who got almost 10%. and there i think he was a drag on ted cruz, whereas marco rubio was perhaps a drag on donald trump. look, new hampshire is a much more favorable state for donald trump. so i don't think the game is over quite yet. but this win for ted cruz was huge. it was well-deserved. it was well earned. he established a traditional and very effective ground game infrastructure organization, and it paid off.
but i think there is something bigger going on here, sean. and it gets to your question. i think is the big lesson tonight is that the establishment, frankly, on both sides, is losing power and control. ted cruz stood up to them. and in particular, the all powerful ethanol lobby in iowa, and he won. that's a lesson for ted cruz to carry forth, donald trump to carry forth. and anybody else who really wants to continue to be viable in this race. >> and doug, if i'm going to look down the line here, i think we're going to have a general election where america is going to have a very clear choice. it's going to be a conservative versus a radical left socialist or one that wants to be one. this is going to be a choice election. probably the likes of which we have not seen, maybe since 1980. >> well, that is certainly the case. i would say from hillary clinton and the clinton camp's point of view, they would much prefer to run against ted cruz than donald
trump. so this was in that sense good news also for the clintons. >> you know what is interesting too, sean, when i was listening in particular to marco rubio, donald trump, and i think ted cruz also, they said well, we're going to defeat the democrats whether the democrats nominate hillary clinton, bernie sanders, or whomever. and i think that is a very important point to make. because there is this huge sword of damocles hanging over hillary clinton with the fbi scandal. bernie sanders, even though he pulled out this fantastic success tonight, i don't think he can win a general election. so i think the jury is still out on the democrats. the ultimate nominee may be neither of these two. >> i think you're probably right. all right. we got a lot more to come. the amazing thing, we're only a week away from new hampshire. thank you both for being with us. coming up, more reaction and analysis with the big political news tonight out of iowa. we'll check in with steve hayes, penny lee, geraldo rivera. that's next as this addition of "hannity" continues.
in iowa. i know a lot of people in iowa. i think they'll really like me. let's give it a shot. they said don't do it. i said i have to do it. and we finished second. and i want to tell you something. i'm just honored. i'm really honored. we will go on to get the republican nomination, and we will go on to easily beat hillary or bernie or whoever thethe hell they throw up there. iowa we love you, we thank you. you're special. we will be back many, many times. in fact, i think i might come here and buy a farm. i love it. >> that was donald trump earlier tonight speaking to a crowd of his supporters after finishing second in the iowa caucuses behind senator ted cruz. here with reaction from the weekly standard steve hayes, democratic strategist penny lee, and fox news senior correspondent geraldo rivera. geraldo, i actually am certain that he probably got that advice
about iowa, considering it's a state that huckabee and santorum won in years gone by. and i actually believed everything he said on paper it wasn't a state you would expect he would compete in. and i think at the end of the day. >> come on, sean. >> come on what? >> you know i love the guy. but i love the guy. >> it's not about loving the guy. >> he was the biggest loser by far tonight. he lost the aura of inevitability. you know, i thought that after reading the last 13 or 15 polls that he had done it. he had defied everything that all those expectations, you know, those preconceptions that he just mentioned, and that you were amplifying. i thought that he was going to win and run the table. and ted cruz was right about that. if he had won in iowa. >> geraldo, geraldo! >> he didn't. >> but geraldo. >> but he didn't. >> no, no, no. you got to listen to me. i pointed out every single night in the last week that the polls
were way off in 2000, way off in '04, way off in '08, way off in 2012. and i said to everybody on the show, don't trust these polls. they're never right. as steve hayes, you're not a trump supporter in any way. and you've got to admit i bet he got that advice when he got into this race. >> yeah, he may well have gotten that advice. and look, whether he got that advice or not, he is right. it's the way that he explains the situation. people didn't think donald trump could come in second in iowa. people didn't think he would be competitive for the republican nomination. and here he is. i think that is a testament to the campaign that he has run thus far. but i think geraldo is right about the immediate take away from tonight. donald trump was seen as the likely victor in the last 11 of the last 12 public polls taken until yesterday. he was the likely winner, and i think people assumed, myself included that this enthusiasm would generate a turnout that would be a donald trump turnout.
in fact it generated a turnout for everybody else too. >> but if the polls are wrong in 2004, '04, '08 and 2012. go back to 2012. rick santorum never had above 18% of the vote. in those years, these polls have been off anywhere between 8 and 25% percentage points, which is why i kept warning the audience, don't listen to these polls. penny lee, on that side, the democratic side, you've got to admit this was a horrible night, the biggest loser of the night by far is hillary clinton. >> oh, sean, why did i expect for you the say that. absolutely you were going to say that. >> she a winner tonight? >> absolutely. iowa is the perfect state for bernie sanders. you have 43% of the electorate of the democratic electorate saying that they are socialists. he underperforms in his own base. so this was a win for hillary clinton, by far. and she is going to go out there. she is going to compete heavily and go into the south.
>> penny! she was anointed. this was a horrible night for her. >> she was anointed by those cast -- she never believed those polls. that was needing identification. she won tonight. >> i think fox news also won, sean. i think that we showed or fox news proved that you can't disrespect the network or the anchors and pass on an important debate, particular when it's the last one before the voting. i think he was punished for that. i think marco rubio is by far the biggest winner, bigger than ted cruz. ted cruz like bernie sanders, rather. bernie sanders and ted cruz, push them on the side. >> how can you come up to that conclusion. >> about marco rubio? >> how can you come up to that conclusion when ted cruz went to 99 counties, was not predicted in the polls really to win going back for the last six or eight
polls, and he ends up winning by a pretty decent amount. and yeah, marco rubio outperformed polls that have been tremendously inaccurate over the years. i agree. marco had a good night. and cruz won. so you can't is say marco is the big winner, but marco had a good night. >> i think marco had a spectacular night. and i'm not a big particular fan of marco rubio. i think he had a terrific night. when you look at ted cruz and bernie sanders, they're very similar. they're polar opposites. they're not going to go very far being on the edge is one on the right and one on the left. rubio now is the establishment candidate. the biggest losers of all the people who have paid $3,000 for every vote they got tonight. i think they really are marginalized. i think marco rubio will be the establishment candidate going forward. i think donald trump. i think donald trump will have to scrap and fight. hopefully he can -- i don't mean to characterize it in a personal way. i think donald trump can't possibly redeem. >> you said you support him. you meant what you say.
>> i love him. i don't necessarily support him. >> wait a minute. you told me last night you would vote for him today if you were in iowa. >> if i were a republican. you asked me very specifically. if i was an iowa republican, who would i vote for. i'm not an iowa republican. i'm a new york republican. i think that donald trump could possibly redeem himself in new hampshire. but now it's not a slam-dunk anymore. now we'll go into the polls next tuesday thinking now i wonder. people are going to start thinking about donald trump, see all bluster. like that concession speech he made tonight was so lame. he is going to buy a farm in iowa. he is not going to buy a farm in iowa. he may never go back to iowa. it sounded disingenuous at all. >> i disagree with you. he showed a graciousness. compare to it rubio. that's exactly wrong. >> that was a terrific concession speech. i think that was one of the better speeches that i've heard donald trump give. he was gracious. he was short. he was to the point. he congratulated the other candidates.
>> absolutely. >> and he moved on. i thought it was good moment for donald trump, honestly. >> why should they vote for him based on that concession speech? because he loves them? because he has a beautiful family? >> sure, he could have -- [ overlapping dialog ] >> let me tell you what it is. because he was gracious. he also pointed out something that i think was fairly obvious, that he was told not to go there. and to me, i think if i was donald trump's campaign, i'd work on two things, organization and more specifics on issues to inspire people and tell people why he is in this race. in other words, is he in it to rubio? >> he you've got to have five points or four points or i'm going be -- >> that's what a concession speech is. >> but marco rubio managed to make 30 place first place. how does that happen? >> only in your mind, geraldo. that doesn't make it true.
penny, go ahead. last word. >> well, there is 48 more states to go. this is going to be a long race. nothing was determined tonight. it was only one state. and we've got 48 more to go. >> all right. guys, thank you all for being with us. appreciate it. coming up, we'll have more reaction of the results out of iowa. senator ted cruz, the big winner for the republicans, and at this hour, too close to call for the democrats. that and more as "hannity" continues straight ahead.
this is a moment they said would never happen. for months, for months they told us we had no chance. for months they told us because we offer today much optimism in the time of anger, we had no chance. for months they told us because we didn't have the right endorsements, or the right political connection, we had no chance. they told me that we have no chance because my hair wasn't gray enough and my boots were
too high. they told me i needed to wait my turn, that i needed to wait in line. now the moment has arrived for this generation of americans to rise up to the calling of our heritage. now the time has come for us to take our place and do what we must. and when i'm elected president of these great united states, we will do our part. >> all right. that was florida senator marco rubio speaking earlier tonight after placing third in the iowa republican caucuses. joining us now are crn-krla radio host, jessica tarlov. i think i can make a pretty strong case that is a three after man race and all top three candidates have a story to tell. thoughts. >> absolutely. i haven't had this much fun since i attend mid bachelor party. >> wow. >> if i were a democrat, i would
be worried. >> that must have been a borg bachelor party. >> on the one hand, you have a candidate who should be indicted, if she is not, facing a 74-year-old democratic socialist who look likes he sleeps in his and she barely beat him. on the other side -- >> we don't even know if she won. >> that's right. on the other hand, on the republican side, sean, the top four finishers include two cuban-americans and a black man. talk about rebranding a party that is perceived to be the party exclusion, the racist party. in 2008, you had a young, dynamic articulate feisty senator squaring off an establishment 70-year-old. in 2016 you may very well have a young dynamic senator squaring off against an establishment near 70-year-old. not the kind of optics i would want to go into the fall with if i were a democrat. >> well said. jessica, i know that democrats are trying to spin their way out of for hillary. hillary lost tonight.
whether she actually won by a tenth of a point, it doesn't matter. she was not supposed to lose tonight. >> well, a lot of people were saying if you judged it by where the momentum was going, we know that her firewall really starts in south carolina. then moving to the super tuesday states. but i thought iowa was winnable for hillary. when an sellser says it's possible, you listen. and i think that was undoubtedly a good night for bernie sanders. but it also wasn't the end of the world for hillary clinton. i think she will lose in new hampshire. but as we head to the south, i think she looks really strong. and to larry's point, you know, about how actually now the republicans have the diversity there, i'm wondering why the democrats are leading by so much with latinos, with black voters, with muslim voters. that kind of the polls today. i mean, today you said we have marco rubio, we have ted cruz. i'm asking you where the latino support is for the republican party even with those two
fellows doing really well. >> we don't have a candidate yet. let's see. >> you have a thousand candidates and none of them are appealing to the minority. >> okay. >> but you get down to a two-person race and we'll figure it out. sean, let's say something about donald trump. you're absolutely right that several months ago nobody expected this kind of finish. but this is an expectations game. donald trump's problem in my opinion is deeper than the fact that he didn't meet expectations let alone exceed them. he is not a conservative. he is anti-free trade. in the not too distant past, he was pro-choice. he said let's replace obamacare with something better as if another top down solution is better than the one we have right now. that's his problem going forward against two very strong fiscal and social conservatives. see in trouble from a policy standpoint. not just from a personality or stylistic stand point, in my opinion. >> but you've got to admit this, larry. when you add trump's numbers and cruz's numbers and ben carson's numbers, you've got over 60% of the republican base in iowa
saying that they don't like the establishment. and the same thing on the democratic side. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> this insurgency year. the game is changing here. and we don't know how it's all going to play out. >> absolutely, sean. and the big loser tonight, the big loser was not donald trump. the big loser was jeb bush. my good, how much money did he spend? and he ended up getting 3% of the vote. that's just pathetic. >> last word, jessica. >> i agree about jeb bush being the big loser. and i appreciate that you didn't say it was hillary clinton. that's welcome. i think that, you know -- >> i didn't have enough time. >> hello. do i get a vote here? >> yeah, what is your vote? hillary clinton is the big loser. >> i think hillary is the big loser. >> how did i know you were going to say that. >> but if you can't beat a 73-year-old curmudgeon socialist who is at 3% of the vote -- >> 74. >> oh, sorry, 74. >> that's kind of pathetic,
jessica. >> i'm with you. i think hillary should be cleaning up on this. we saw huge numbers of people in iowa identifying as socialists. that's not the way the rest of the country. i mean, i don't know. bernie sanders -- well, no, we all listened. it was listenable. i mean, it's not your thing. she is not your thing. you're waiting open arms for an indictment. you're not the best arbiter of hillary clinton judgment there. but as a democratic hillary supporter. >> i can spot a candidate when i see one. i've got to go. >> more people in iowa. >> yeah, i got to go, guys. >> more people in iowa identify with socialism than capitalism. >> it's only iowa. not the whole country. >> we'll get your reaction to the big news out of iowa. as we continue. ♪
♪ he has a sharp wit. a winning smile. and no chance of getting an athletic scholarship. and that is why you invest. the best returns aren't just measured in dollars. welcome back to "hannity." and here with us to break down the results out of iowa, fox news contributors pad cadel and katie pavlich. your takes. hillary a lose other tonight democratic side? >> a four-man race. you look at new hampshire and john kasich actually does have a groundswell in that state.
so we're going into new hampshire soon. there is still a lot of work to do, although ted cruz was victorious tonight. we have to keep in mind that iowa is not necessarily a determinant of what we're going see in the future. but on the hillary clinton side, look, she is in big trouble, sean. this is her second time around in iowa. she is barely going to squeak out a win possibly. it's still too close to call. and here we are with her pan anybodying about not being able to beat bernie sanders in the state where she was supposed to have all the structure in place, all the voters coming out for her. she is going to lose new hampshire. and then she is going into the southern states with two losses already on the board. i mean, it's a real problem for her when the general election comes all right. >> let me ask you this. if kasich is in fact surging, and some polls have shown him in double digits, buzz that cause a problem for marco rubio coming out of iowa with good numbers in terms of the establishment vote? >> i think it probably does. because marco rubio has been selling himself as someone who can bring the party together.
and he has to compete for those so-called establishment votes in new hampshire. however, i think because of his good showing tonight and because of his acceptance speech, i think people are probably going to take a second look at marco rubio. and actually, marco rubio could pose a threat to john kasich's third in that state. >> pat, let's get you to weigh in. your thoughts on tonight. >> my first thought for the night, first of all, this as you said earlier, this was a big victory for the insurgents. both from the republican party and the democratic party. and there is chaos everywhere. secondly, we learned something. and by the way, i think hillary has lost the real popular vote. the democratic party here has the numbers. they will not release them. no one cares what less than 1% of the democratic delegates are. they want to know who won the popular vote. and i believe he beat her, if he doesn't actually delegates out. but having said that, let me go
to the republicans. cruz's ground game was everything it was said to be. and rubio and trump skipping the debate, it was clear that rubio having a platform to stand out got a lot of the late deciders moving in his direction. trump i believe, let me tell you what i believe happened to trump. other than his being too negative, he has moved away from his message. i will now tell you what i believe will happen in new hampshire. and that is for many experiences of iowa and new hampshire. in 2008, barack obama was said after iowa, he was going to beat -- win new hampshire and be the automatic nominee. new hampshire reacted saying we're not sure we want to make that decision. and went to hillary. trump suffered here because i believe the press said everywhere he is going to win iowa, then he'll run the tables. he'll be the nominee. and a lot of voters here aren't sure they want that to happen. but i do think then what happens
in new hampshire trump will slaughter the field. we'll see what comes out of the establishment lane and a bloodbath in south carolina. he needs his message back. >> all right. >> we'll see if the voters turn out. they've got to go to the polls. >> great analysis. appreciate it. >> they voted tonight. they voted tonight. coming up, we've got more "hannity" right after this quick break. we were below the 88th southern parallel. we had traveled for over 850 miles. my men driven nearly mad from starvation and frostbite. today we make history. >>bienvenidos! welcome to the south pole! if you're dora the explorer, you explore. it's what you do. >>what took you so long? if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. >>you did it, yay!
it is tuesday, february 2nd, 2016. iowa, we have a winner. >> yes, we do. ted cruz taking the hawkeye state as the republicans turn out there in record-breaking numbers. >> god bless the great state of iowa. tonight is a victory for courageous conservatives across iowa and all across this great nation. >> and, on the democratic side? the race is still too close to call. we have live, team coverage for you all morning. >> on the democratic side, it is a dead heat. yes, the race between