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it was a very vicious kind of situation. >> there was nicole with her throat slashed. she was nearly beheaded. >> goldman was stabbed 20 times, and he put up a struggle. >> there was literally a river of blood flowing down. >> the evidence was so clear, the blood evidence. >> o.j. simpson was such a legend. no one that famous had ever been
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on trial in this country. >> when they say o.j. simpson, trial of the century. >> did not, would not have committed this crime. >> it turned into a circus. >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> it was just all right there. >> this was lapd and these are the racist l.a. cops. >> people based their entire lives around this trial. >> hello. i'm greta van susteren. 20 years ago in june of 1994, police were called to the scene of a horrendous double homicide in los angeles. left to die in a river of blood were nicole brown simpson, ex-wife of football great o.j. simpson, and her friend ronald goldman. the trial of o.j. simpson for these murders lasted an astonishing 16 months. it had twists and turns playing
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out in the courtroom while a nation watched on television. i covered the case from the beginning. and when i last sat down with simpson ten years ago for an interview, he was a free man. he reflected on his life and sensational trial. today he sits in prison, but when his troubles all started, then he thought he was going to end it all right then and there riding in a white ford bronco of an l.a. freeway. >> i have o.j. in the car. >> june 17th, 1994, everyone in america remembers how this shocking scene unfolded on the fr freeways of los angeles. o. jchj. simpson was lying facen on the back seat of the ford bronco holding a gun to his head. al cowlings was behind the wheel. lapd tkt tom lang spoke with simpson. >> get rid of the gun. toss it, please. too many people love you, man, don't give it all up. >> the football legend and movie
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star was threatening to commit suicide. >> i'm just going to leave. >> no, don't. >> that's all i'm going to do. >> the slow speed bronco chase went on for 60 miles. he was supposed to be turning himself into police for the murders of his ex-wife nicole and her friend ron goldman. >> the police found the bodies on the morning of the 13th. it was after midnight. when they got there the scene was horrific. there was nicole with her throat slashed. she was nearly beheaded. and ron goldman was lying in the little garden right next to her. a he had been stabbed to death. >> linda deutsch was a special correspondent for the press and covered the trial from the very beginning. >> on the day when he ran, they stood by the freeways with signs that said, go juice. they wanted him to triumph over this. >> after giving himself up, simpson was arrested for the murders. he assembled a so-called dream
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team of questions lawyers. the testimony began on january 24th, 1995. >> what you have here is a trail of blood from bundy drive to rockingham avenue and into the defendant's very bedroom. >> did not, could not and would not have committed this crime. not guilty. >> and lasted 16 months. >> the evidence will show that he did not commit these particular crimes. >> the entire nation was transfixed. simpson was the most famous american to have ever been tried for murder. >> he was the juice. he was the ultimate sports hero. it was unbelievable to the public at large that he could be even suspected of such a vicious crime. >> the trial had accusations of corrupt cops, racial undertones and media attention that was overwhelming. >> prosecutors will portray o.j.
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simpson as a jealously obsessed ex-husband. >> stand and face the jury. >> on october 3rd, 1995, the jury came in with a verdict. 150 million americans watched on tv or listened on radio, more than the super bowl. >> we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. ♪ >> o.j., o.j. >> ten years after the trial, i sat down with simpson one on one in miami to hear his thoughts on the case. o.j., how's life? >> pretty good. my golf game's in good shape. i'm happy. >> when they say o.j. simpson, they think trial of the century. a huge population is mad out there about the verdict. and you know that. >> yeah, yeah, i know the media -- it's in the media, i know that for sure. it took me a long time to
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realize -- i couldn't understand why people were so into my trial. why it was on tv. i meet people who say i watched every minute of the trial. i had more people tape the whole thing. you know how much tape that must have taken. and they say if you need it -- >> do you hate the media? >> no. i don't. i think the media at this point in america that what's going to hurt -- other forefathers never foresaw cable tv. they never saw -- well, they did. because they used to do the quote of thomas jefferson, one who doesn't listen to the media is better informed than the one who does. that one who hasn't heard the lies and inaccuracies. thomas jefferson was hip to the media way back then. >> some people say that cameras are the reason why you weren't convicted. >> well, i think cameras -- the one thing i can say the cameras did for me, even in one area, the camera benefited me. >> i spoke with three people closely connected to the case. tom lang was the lead lapd
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detective in the murder investigation. attorney john kelly successfully suedon for death in a civil trial. the plaintiffs won a judgment of and after michael baden was hired by simpson defense, he examined the victims and simpson himself right after the murders. did he love the cameras and the media or not? >> i think he does love the cameras and the media. this guy has got to be out front even in prison, we have to hear from this guy. he can't quit thinking about himself being the sociopath that he is. being the self-indel gent individual where it's all about him. i think he actually loves the cameras. he loves the attention. >> were the cameras the reason for the verdict or not? do you assign the cameras the responsibility? >> well, again, you mean, the cameras in the courtroom? >> yeah, cameras in the courtroom. >> for a lot of reasons, the
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main one is if you're testifying in open court with live cameras, you're not concerned with what you're being asked, you're more concerned that the camera's on you. i can recall after 8 1/2 days on the stand people looking at me and i'm thinking how am i going to answer this. i got to look just right. it affects testimony. that's the bottom line. the cameras in the courtroom should never have been allowed. >> you won the civil case. no cameras in that civil case. there were cameras in the criminal case. could you have won the criminal case with the cameras? >> i don't think the cameras dictated the verdict in the criminal case, but i think it detracted from the gravitas of the situation, the trial and it turn into a circus. and with that atmosphere i think the jury had no problem returning the verdict they did under those circumstances. it just didn't have the feel of a double homicide trial as the case progressed. >> coming up -- >> you know, he's a very
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catch their breath because they were so beautiful together. >> in 1985, simpson and nicole were married. soon after they became the parent of sydney and justin. >> they seemed to be the golden couple. it was as if nothing bad could ever happen to them. but nen the worst happened. >> i never met nicole. describe her to me. >> capable, very, very, very capable. probably as bright as any girl i've ever dated. because she's european, you know, born in europe and i guess the flair with her mother, traditional woman moreso than a lot of americans with the libbers and all of that. nicole was very -- for a man, she was a great girl to have, you know. you could fight and she would still cook you dinner. you know what i mean? so whatever those traditional values that women bring to a
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relationship, she didn't let her emotions affect those. >> as the years passed, simpson began to reveal a violent side. in 1989 pictures surfaced of a beaten and bloody nicole. and simpson pled no contest to spousal abuse. things got so bad nicole filed for dwor in 1992 and try to start a new life. she moved into a new home on gretna green way. but simpson wouldn't let go and began stalking her. on october 25th 1993 nicole dialed 911. the call is chilling. >> well, my ex-husband just broke into my house and he's ranting and raving, now he's just walked out in the front yard. >> what does he look like? >> he's o.j. simpson. i think you know his record. could you just send somebody over here. >> do you think of nicole
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anymore? >> yeah, i thought of her the other day. when it's her birthday, obviously. yeah, from time to time, and there's times i'm angry at her, yeah. >> why? >> because when i feel that there's things that she could be doing with the kids better than i, you know, if it's an emotional stuff, especially with my daughter, i'm angry with her. i'm angry that sometimes that she found herself hanging around with people -- who are these people? and it pisss me off every time i see the media say kato kaelin. i don't know these people. kato will admit he and i aren't friends. we don't hang out together. i can count on my fingers the times i've seen faye resnick. these are a group of no mmads s hung out with. >> when you listen to this, what are your thoughts? >> he's a very narcissistic
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person. i can't believe there's so much hot air in one body. if you ever watch him, he's always shrugging and laughing and turning away because he even knows himself he's not talking the truth when he speaks. i spent literally weeks with this man in a conference room when we were deposing him, sat right next to him at the trial for four months and just -- you know, just got more than my share of what this man is about. and there's nothing good about it. >> he's a true definition of a sociopath. >> there you go. >> in every respect. >> the family seemed to really like o.j. simpson obviously up until the time of the murder. but there were so many instances where he was abusing her. they looked the other way. did they not know it? >> i think they knew it. but your adult daughter doesn't want you to meddle in her affairs or her husband or ex-husband as the case was at the end. you just don't do it.
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every day you pick up the papers and hear about the abuse. it was sort of telling a story that this could have been expected, that this guy was violent, this guy was dangerous and nothing was done ahead of time. i don't think there was anything there that suggested ever that it could lead to a homicide like that. >> how savage was this murder? i mean, there are all sorts of murders. you can do the one from 200 yards with a gun and then they can have this kind. >> her throat had been cut. her throat was cut. she had two carrot id arteries that were cut that bleed out fast. she would have lost consciousness within 10, 20 seconds. >> one stroke? >> there were multiple stroke, but one big one, of course, the neck and six other stab wounds. so it was a very vicious kind of situation. however, people should remember the neck is about four or five inches in thickness. the bone, the cervical spine is more than half of that distance. so in this situation, even
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though the cut went down to the bone, that's about an inch or two, but it cuts through vital structures. the image of somebody's head almost coming off as played up in different newspapers, there's a false image that occurs whenever somebody's neck is cut. and that was serious. goldman was established about 20 times, and he put up a struggle. >> ron goldman was a waiter at a restaurant called mezzaluna. he has seen nicole when she was there. they'd become sort of friends. >> on the night of the murders nicole's mother had dropped her sunglasses at the restaurant. ron offered to bring them to nicole's condo. >> that's how he wound up there, at the wrong place at the wrong time. >> nicole was sitting on the front steps, front doors open, lights on, gates open. she's expecting ron goldman. >> as a good samaritan, not as a
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boyfriend. >> not as a boyfriend. he's bringing back judith brown's sunglasses. >> totally good samaritan. >> sure. she's outside. she's waiting outside, okay? jt i can't remember who they said the prosecution theory was who died first, but they were quite certain about it. >> they thought if nicole was attacked first and would have lost consciousness as soon as her neck was cut. and goldman was off a few feet away. >> there's more of my interview with o.j. simpson just ahead. "name your price" tool. this highly sought-after device from progressive can be yours for... twenty grand? -no! we are giving it away for just 3 easy payments of $4.99 plus tax! the lines are blowing up! we've got deborah from poughkeepsie. flo: yeah, no, it's flo. you guys realize anyone can use the "name your price" tool for free on progressive.com, right? [ laughing nervously ] ♪ [ pickles whines ]
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during simpson's murder trial his estate at rockingham was center to the case. the controversial bloody glove was found there. kato kaelin lived in the guesthouse. while there he said he heard the famous bumps in the house. >> how many did you hear? >> three. >> can you demonstrate how loud it was? >> the prosecution argued the sounds he heard were o.j. simpson bumping into the air conditioner on kato's window. >> i thought there was someone back there. >> jurors were brought to the state to see the location firsthand. the media followed. >> we didn't get to go inside with the jurors, we went outside the rockingham estate. there was a pool of reporters who were allowed to go. and for a time o.j. was taken to a street nearby. and waited in the car. but then he was brought back in. they had to basically convene a court session in the house. >> we talk about rockingham. when i was there, we were there,
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there were a billion satellite trucks. >> yeah. >> everybody was watching you. everybody in the media was there. is that still your life? are we still dogging you? >> no, that has not been the case for a long time. the media dogs me now when there's no news. >> i asked o.j. when i talked to him ten years ago what he thought about our justice system. here's what he said. what do you think of our justice system? >> i think it works better in a time. once you put it out in the open even though i sometimes am intrigued by it -- >> meaning what? >> it changes everybody. i think it changes everybody. i think the media influences it far too much. their opinions are far too, you know, i think the public who follow cases are swayed by the opinions of the various pundit who comment on it and then i think that -- >> isn't it the jurors that matter? and does the camera affect the
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jurors? >> i found out in my case that the only people who weren't affected by the media were the jurors because they were totally sequestered. and unfortunately, most cases the jury aren't totally sequestered and i know they're affected by public opinion, by neighborhood opinion. you cannot prote them from -- if it's a high profile case, you cannot protect them from being infected by somebody's opinion. somebody else's opinion. >> every time i lost a trial and i always thought i wish i'd done something differently. and looking back, do you wish you had done something differently in terms of your participation in this trial? >> in the trial or in the investigation. >> in the trial, the investigation, anything, do you have any regrets? >> i don't have any regrets. if there's a regret, it would be that i wasn't there to close down that crime scene investigation, make sure that everything was covered and everybody did everything that they should have done.
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but overall, no, i can't think of anything i'd change. >> can i defend christopher darden on one thing, putting the glove on jts o.j. simpson. i don't think he had any choice. first of all, o.j. simpson had put on weight in jail. he was on destroyeds from his arthritis. and plus he had a latex glove on. when you grow up in wisconsin and your gloves get wet and the nun put them on the radiator and by the time you go home, if you live in california, you don't know that. he could have handled it better and explained all that and so could marcia clark. but if he hadn't done that, johnnie cochran would have done that himself and pointed at the prosecutors and said, why do you think the prosecutor s didn't d that. they didn't want you to know that. >> like you said, it's the way that he did it. it makes no sense. it doesn't fit.
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if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> let's get something straight. the glove did fit. okay? he had large hands, bigger than simpson who has large hands. phil didn't have any problem getting in the glub. you want to put a glove on, you put it on. if you're allowed to perform in front of a jury in open court on live television, then we see what we saw with o.j. >> coming up -- >> o.j. was being hidden at the kardashian house. >> kim kardashian but her father who was an old friend of o.j. and one of his lawyers. >> during that time, o.j. goes out to say good-bye to some people and disappears. "why are you checking your credit score?" "you don't want to live with mom and dad forever, do you?" "how do i check my credit score?" "credit karma. don't worry, it's free." "credit karma. give yourself some credit."
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i'm kelly wright. good evening. here's what's happening. fox news is learning more about the surprising death of supreme court justice antonin scalia. a texas county judge confirming the death certificate will say he died of natural causes and that an autopsy is not necessary. now, scalia's body is being flown home to virginia. he was on a hunting trip when he was found at a resort in west texas yesterday. justice scalia was 79. extreme weather freezing the northeast this valentine's day. folks bundling up to escape the record breaking cold. parts of new engla s of new yor minus 40. the bitter cold creating dangerous driving conditions. investigators believe drifting snow caused a 64-car pile-up if central pennsylvania. three people were killed and some 70 others were hurt in that
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accident. and pope francis is now seeing the drug trade again making it a central theme of his tour. during a huge outdoor mass sunday the pope urged hundreds of thousands to make their country a land of opportunity and not a place that's, quote, destroyed at the hands of the dealers of death. the city of ecatepec is plagued by high murder rates, kidnappings and extortions. now back to greta investigates. when o.j. simpson was arrested for the murder of his ex-wife nicole and her friend ron goldman, the los angeles police department was almost as much in the hot seat as the former football star. it was less than two years after the lapd cops were acquitted in the rodney king beating trial
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the riots that followed that judgment still haunted l.a. at the trial got under way the names became almost as familiar to america as o.j. simpson. >> they determined it was him from the beginning and they never looked at anyone else. and that's a big problem. >> the accusation was a corrupt and racist lapd cops planted dna evidence to frame o.j. simpson. >> tom can also speak to this. the whole issue there's an allegation of racism on part of the lapd. this was a case where people, you know, quickly drifted off the facts and got into a lot of other topics. sometimes these issues, they are rel slant. bias is always relevant in a trial. but this was used by the defense. >> yeah, it was. and it's interesting because the defense did have a jury consultant, a jury consultant, very nice gal. and the defense jury consultant
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said that the defense should get black women on the jury. they would be partial to o.j. marcia clark knew this but she felt that over the years she had done very well with black females on jurors, that they were responsive to her. so they both went looking for female black jurors, and they got a number of female black jurors. marcia clark knew this was right after rodney king. lapd was hated. you put l.a. cops out there and they've done this, they've done that. no, she wanted to stick strictly to the core blood evidence. okay? she knew again this was lapd on trial. this would be the fuhrman trial. this was right after rodney king. all of this was going to be put on and she knew that. she wanted to stick to the core blood evidence because if you put this evidence on, you are going to have to put on these l.a. cops, these evidence-planting, racist, lying
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l.a. cops will have to testify to all this stuff. >> oddly, during the 2004 interview, simp suspect to pson thought detective lang would help him. >> i thought lang would be my salvation. even since the trial. but once you write a book together and make an income from it, i think he compromised himself. i have much worse feelings with vannatter than i do with lang. as a matter of fact, when the verdict was read, my biggest issue, as i already told all my lawyers, i wanted to go after lang -- go after vannatter. he was on the courtroom. it too everything i could not to go after this guy because i felt he was responsible for allowing somebody like mark fuhrman to be as out of control as he evidently was during the investigation of this case. >> detective vannatter isn't
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here, he has died. he can't defend himself to o.j. simpson. i assume you have a response to o.j. on that. >> a typical sociopath at work. total denial. it's not me. it's everybody else. b.s. on and on and on. this is what you find in a typical sociopath. >> he does accuse everybody but himself, doesn't he, john. everybody but himself. >> the thing about the dna. this would have been a strong homicide case if dna didn't exist at that time. just the sheer size, the bloody tracks, the cut on his left hand, the trail of blood going back, the fact that he would have had a key to the back gate, blood on the seat console and mats in the bronco. blood at his house. the other glove found there. you wouldn't have to know whose blood it was necessarily, all the items, the physical items in this case were so interconnected
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without the dna portion out of it, it could have been tried that way. >> and this was the big exposure of dna to the public and to a jury, and i think that the testimony of the prosecution experts on dna and its uniqueness and how it matches up to only a specific individual was presented for about four or five days in a wonderfully technical way for forensic scientists and doctors and all to learn about it, but it was way over the head of the jurors. >> and mine. and i've been practicing law. it was new to all of us. and still is. >> the way it was presented to those jurors, they didn't understand the significance of what we're talking about now. >> part of the problem is that the police were cross-examined quite heavily, for instance, detective vannatter putting it in his pocket and going off with
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it for a day. >> that didn't happen but -- he put it in a chocolate covered envelope that's even on the videotape. >> he didn't take it. >> he didn't put it in his pocket. >> that was the allegation. i'm not challenging, i'm saying that's what people said. >> there's no unanswered questions. there's no mysteries or anything else. i agree with what dr. baden said, they overdid the blood evidence. that goes back to my original point. there's a whole bunch of other stuff they could have used, too, but they stuck with the blood and they overdid the blood. as far as vannatter, once he got the tube of blood, he took it to rockingham, where the criminalist would book it is. >> and the things about humans sprinkling blood all over the place and things. all these photographs of the blood trail were taken right at the crime scene that day. you know, photographs existed two hours later that showed all the blood and where it was. there's no way to plant that blood. >> dr. baden, when you saw him
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the night of the chase, was he bruised in any way, did he have any injuries? >> no, he was very depressed. he was depressed. the murder had occurred a few days earlier, but he hadn't been arrested yet. there was no warrant for him yet. and he was hiding in kardashian, nobody except his lawyers knew where he was. henry lee and i were called by bob shapiro, the initial lawyer in the case. and we were brought up to where o.j. was before he was arrested. being hidden at the kardashian house. in retrospect -- >> not kim kardashian, but her father who was an old friend of o.j. and one of his lawyers. >> the father, yeah. the father's house. when we came in, there were people downstairs including some young girls, children at that time. but we went up to the second floor to examine o.j. because
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shapiro wanted evidence. we took hair samples and whatever for forensic use before he was going to get arrested because he hadn't been asked to be arrested yet because he was hiding out. the police didn't know where he was. but while we were doing that, bob shapiro gets a call on the cell phone from the prosecutor that says, all right, we now have an arrest warrant for o.j. tell us where you are. and shapiro immediately told them where we are, the kardashian home. during that time, o.j. goes out and disappears. >> coming up, they didn't have the picture of o.j. simpson wearing the bruno magli shoes. >> we actually had a witness who is looking at the shoes. and she says, well, i've seen o.j. with those shoes on. [richard] a thousand people win one thousand dollars.
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the verdict in the simpson trial polarized the nation. many thought he was obviously guilty while others were overjoyed that he was acquitted. one year after simpson walked the wrongful death civil trial began. >> it was not a murder trial. and the judge does not allow cameras in the courtroom. but it still had enormous coverage. >> the civil trial differed from the criminal trial in significant ways. first, it was not televised. second, the burden of proof in a civil trial is much lower. third, the plaintiffs introduced new evidence. most damaging, simpson had declared that he never owned a
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pair of bruno magli shoes, that luxury brand that left a bloody footprint at the crime scene. during the civil trial this photo surfaced of him wearing those shoes. the picture was put into evidence, caught simpson in a big lie. on february 4, 1997, the jury found him guilty of the two murders. many have said this was the trial done right. in a civil case, i remember that you and the civil team, you presented the blood evidence in very short order compared to marcia clark and christopher darden seemed like for days on end. >> friday afternoon i put detective vannatter on the stand for i think it was 12 minutes. and everybody sat back and thought it was going to be two or three days of direct and cross-examination. >> how about the fact that they didn't have the picture of o.j. simpson wearing those bruno magli shoes which he so infamous described as those ugly ass
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shoes in the deposition for the civil case. you had a picture of him wearing those shoes in the civil case. >> that's right. and i think the media coverage actually helped in that, the initial picture of simpson in those shoes was called a fraud, it was in "the national enquirer." but it was actually new year's eve in the middle of the trial that i got a call, went up to buffalo and the film was actually developed of him in those shoes. it was an incredible thing. but something that never would have happened if the media wasn't looking for these things and talking about it constantly. >> we're looking at those shoes right now. those are what o.j. simpson described in that deposition those bruno magli shoes, those ugly ass shoes. i thought they found blood and the fbi determined from a tootprint what kind of shoe it was. what are the odds the fbi will figure out from half a blood footprint that it's bruno magli and they traveled all the way italy. and he said he didn't have the shoes and well he did have the
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shoes. >> the fbi had this tremendous catalog of all shoe soles for comparison. as much as fingerprints and all. >> we actually had a witness before any of this that can put the shoes on o.j. simpson. >> for the criminal trial. >> yes. >> where was that witness? >> that particular witness was nicole's younger sister dommen neek. i did a six-pack of shoes before anybody knew anything about bruno maglis. we didn't release anything. put together a six-pack of shoes much like one would a six-pack of suspects. >> like photos, like a photo. >> there were six different shoes. one was a bruno magli. nobody knew noig about bruno maglis. i thoughed this to dominique and i admonished her. because i'm showing you a set of shoes don't think anything about it. don't put too much thought into why i'm doing this, but i'll ask you very direct questions. look at these six photographs of shoes.
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dominique has an eye for fashion. she's a very bright young woman. okay? she's looking at the shoes. and she says, well, actually, yeah, i've seen this type of shoe before. and she points to the bruno magli. and i said, why are you pointing to that? well i've seen o.j. with those shoes on. i said what shoes, well, these bruno magli shoes. >> did you tell marcia clark and christopher darden about this? >> i tell them everything. when the case is filed, we work for them. we're their investigators. >> what did they say? >> fine. >> did your clients ever collect any money from o.j. simpson after you won that civil verdict? >> the estate did. >> your client was the estate. >> yeah. and auction with all the personal property that took place on the portion of the two plaintiffs. >> how much -- you had a big judgment. how much did they get out of their judgment, what percentage of the judgment? >> what percentage of the
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judgment? i can't do that path. it was under seven figures the total collected. >> judgment was how much? >> $33.5 million. >> there's more o.j. simpson coming up. simpson coming up.
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o.j. simpson claimed he was trying to retrieve some of his own stolen memorabilia. >> he was charged with armed robbery and kidnapping. >> the prosecutor seemed determined to get him. there were overtones of the trial in l.a. two police detectives said, oh, they didn't get him in l.a., so we're going to get him here, which obviously is not the way the justice system is supposed to work. but in a way, that's how it worked. he was the way the justice system is supposed to work. but, in a way, that's how it worked. he was convicted as payback. >> the murder trial was one of the most extraordinary trials in american history. >> 20 years later, what's the legacy of this trial? >> i think one of the forensic legacy is that it established d.n.a.'s important. decades
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before technology come in. but in 1994, as a result of all the publicity d.n.a. got it admitted it into mainstream trials and it became routine. >> john? >> i think there were a couple legacy. dr. bae den's d.n.a. -- he put a lot of people back on the streets who were wrongly convicted and it's helped convict a lot of people that should be convicted using that the media aspect of it, i think it gave rise to a whole cottage industry. the whole cable world was developed around simpson. that caught on and people loved watching these sort of true reality shows and crime and punishment took off for a long time after this exploded on the scene. >> accidental anchor. i mean, i was practicing law and teaching and. >> how many people if you
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looked back, greta, think about that 18 years in the civil case, all the people that were there covering the case where are they now? so many people industry of anchors and shows and second careers that came after this case because of it. >> tom, the legacy? >> there is a couple of things that concern me. i hope we would look at this case the way it was tried and learn something that it was overdone in some areas. underdone in others. the thing that i hope would really sink in is that no one is ever in control. the judge was not in control. like johnnie cochran was in control. part of that i think was cameras in the courtroom. all the lawyers played to those cameras. the police were gagged. we weren't able to say anything. our chief had gagged us. but the court has to send a message they are in control. and you don't do that by having everybody play to cameras in the courtroom. and you don't do it with a
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lack of a gag order. >> gentlemen, thank you, 2 oyears later, who would have guessed, right? 20 years ago went pretty fast. the controversy surrounding o.j. simpson trial are still being debated today. people argue about the evidence, the trial, and the jury's decision. but what is not in dispute is that two people, nicole brown simpson and ron goldman were viciously murdered 2 oyears ago. and as strange as it seems, to date no one has spent a year in prison for the murders. i'm greta van susteren. thanks for watching.
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