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edition of "the factor." i'm eric boling. bill will be back on monday. please remember, the spin stops here, because we're looking out for you. breaking tonight. high stakes in the 2016 race for 2 white house, as the candidates prepare for a marathon of campaign events over the next 96 hours, with hundreds of delegates and potentially the future of the republican party on the line. welcome to "the kelly file,," everyone. i'm megyn. after last night's big debate in detroit, with just four republicans left, donald trump is looking to extend his winning streak, while the rest of the field looks to derail him. the first big test comes less than 12 hours from now when polls open in louisiana.
three other states, kansas, kentucky, and maine, will also hold caucuses tomorrow. in all, 155 delegates are at stake. that's a lot given how many have been allotted. trump is making headlines for two reasons tonight. first, for changing his stance when it comes to torture. second, for deciding to cancel a scheduled appearance at the nation's largest annual gathering of conservative activists, cpac. in a moment, we'll talk about that with the chairman. tonight, we begin with carl cameron who is reporting from detroit. carl? >> reporter: no rest for the weary, even in spite of last night's brawl, the candidates are fanned out across the country. nine states will be voting, and there's a total of 328 delegates
up for grabs between tomorrow and straight through tuesday night. tomorrow, voting will be the louisiana primary, and there will be caucuses in kansas, as well as kentucky, and in maine. and ted cruz is in maine today and marco rubio was in kansas. on sunday, puerto rico holds its contest and marco rubio plans to go down to the territory to campaign there. and then come tuesday, hawaii, mississippi, idaho and michigan. michigan is the major prize with 59 delegates. of course, it is a major industrial swing state. john kasich is looking to do particularly well here, because he's looking at it as a steppingstone to ohio. a must-win and winner take all that takes place a week from tuesday. both he and marco rubio have been competing for michigan. but so is donald trump. trump leads in most of the polls in these nine states and is likely to km out with the majority of the delegates. the question is, how close will cruz and rubio come to stopping trump?
despite the efforts to stop trump, the never trump movement, there was that pledge last night which they said they would support the front-runner even if it's trump and trump said he would not run a third party candidate. >> joining me now is chris stirewalt and amy stoddard. all right, stirewalt, we've been focused on super tuesday, super tuesday ii, even michigan. what's happening tomorrow, that's a lot of delegates. trump has about 300. cruz has got in the 200s. rubio has about 100. this could have a real impact. >> not only does it have an impact in terms of what is promising to be a long, grinding grind to get to the requisite number, to get a majority of delegates to win outright for donald trump or conversely for them to try to stop him, it is a numbers game. but it's also a time of the enormous conflagration of a
trash pile that we saw on the stage from the republican candidates in the face of some very expert questioning from some people. the party is pulling its hair out and freaking out. is it changing? are republicans changing their mind? are things going to be different? is donald trump in trouble? are the rest of them going to fall away? this is our first test after that enormous debate to see where things are going. >> especially because these states are closed, right? it's only going to be republicans voting. >> that's right. and donald trump will not be able to bring in his army of democrats and independents who we have seen coming in to the early contest. >> he's also been winning with conservatives, chris. >> this is the thing, this is the catch 22 for trump. you want to go to cpac, especially when you're under fire about foreign guest worker visas and other things and conservatives have a beef with him, because he really is running more of a populist
campaign. so you miss those folks, but he needs to be on the ground. he needs to be in kansas. he could lose out there. he needs to be on the ground in michigan, because he could lose there, too. kentucky is challenging, too. so he needs to be out there dealing with those voters. if that means snubbing these conservatives, so be it. >> a.b., it was remarkable to see trump's reversals, because he's not a big fan of admitting when he's wrong. but he did it on two things today. he reversed himself on two things. >> it's really remarkable. first of all, it was a great debate in terms of what was asked. fewer than 24 hours later he reverses on two things? especially things he's dug in on, like generals will just listen to my orders even if it
defies american law. this is a really interesting moment in the contests where you're going to look at people, obviously his supporters who decided a long time ago in kentucky, in maine, in idaho, puerto rico, they are not swayed if donald trump has a bad debate night. i've watched these focus groups. there are people that break late, and they've been deciding against trump, largely for rubio and for cruz. sometimes for kasich. and so donald trump is going to be watching those margins tomorrow night to see if his debates and his switch positions on visas and torture, all these issues will affect those numbers. he doesn't want tight contests. of course, rubio will be looking to survive in places like idaho, puerto rico and kansas. cruz will be doing well in caucuses where he's very well organized, places like kansas that border oklahoma where he won. donald trump got a little
nervous. that's why he blew off cpac, because he hasn't spent any time in kansas. >> great to see you both. >> you bet. so two reversals which we'll get into. but on trump's website, he had spoken out against these foreign worker visas coming in, taking american jobs. so that's why he said no. then at a prior debate, he said i'm in favor of it, we should get more of these talented people in. and then last night, he stood by that position, bringing more workers in. and then today he went back to what the website says. we'll get into what he says on torture with a military panel. so donald trump had a 7:00 p.m. rally in louisiana. he's scheduled to go to kansas tonight. he wants to win there, but he was originally supposed to travel to the conservative political action conference to give a speech tomorrow morning. his team announced --
>> trump's 11th hour decision took a number of people by surprise and we have the chairman with us tonight. matt, what is your reaction to donald trump not coming? >> we're incredibly disappointed. if you come from a state, if you don't come from iowa or new hampshire or south carolina or one of these early states and you're filling this room as it's been filled for the last two years and will be filled tomorrow with conservative activists from all over the country, there's an expectation if you want the reagan mantle, if you want to call yourself a conservative candidate, you'll be here. i don't think he skipped because he's worried about these states, although he should be worried about every state. i think he skipped because he wanted to dictate what the rules would be for his appearance. and we decided that would not be appropriate, that we should treat every candidate and every
campaign fairly and the same. that's what we have decided to do. >> how so? how did he try to do that? >> i think they figured that since they're the leading candidate, they should be able to come and speak for as long as they want to speak, but not have to answer questions. one of the things we changed about cpac, if you're going to come to conservatives and give them your pitch on why you should lead them, you also need to take their questions. they didn't want to do that. and so we decided we would not change our rules for them, even though he's the front-runner. i think it's a big mistake to not be here. i think it was a political whiff. >> in his defense, he gave an interview last night to sean hannity, and hannity is at cpac, and there was a negative crowd reaction when trump popped up. >> joining us now with reaction, front-runner donald trump is with us. good to see you. [ crowd booing ] >> thank you, sean, i'm great.
>> we got half the crowd with you. >> you could see -- does he have a right to pause about going into that environment where at least from that clip, it might not -- >> no. sorry, jeb bush came here last year. he did it under tough circumstances. john kasich came here. not everybody's favorite on the right. he got a standing ovation. part of politics is coming and showing respect. and if a candidate wants to be the conservative candidate, they have to come here. and to skip out of it because he got a few hecklers or a few boos -- >> not so much the boos. but is this worth my time? i want to win kansas. i can have a really with thousands of people there. he's given $50,000 to cpac, $100,000 last year.
>> look, this has nothing to do with money. we didn't approach any presidential candidates to contribute, because we wanted to be fair with all the candidates. we haven't chosen sides. but it is a big mistake not to be here. ronald reagan came here 13 times. he started his national career at cpac. he gave his first address after becoming the first president here. there's not excuse not to be here. >> matt, great to see you. donald trump also did some damage control today after last night he told the country this is one of the flips we were talking about, that our military would do what he told them to do as commander in chief, even if that command violated the law and the constitution. that caused quite a stir and mr. trump reversed himself on that today. it had been a position he had taken for months, so it made a lot of news. coming up, we have two combat vets here on that. after john kasich got high
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they then came to me, what do you think of water boarding? i said it's fine. and if we want to go stronger, i would go stronger, too. because frankly, that's the way i feel. [ applause ] can you imagine, can you imagine, these people, these animals over in the middle east, that chop off heads sitting around talking and seeing that we're having a hard problem with waterboarding? we should go for waterboarding and go tougher than waterboarding. >> targeting terrorist families? >> i'm a leader. i've never had any problem leading people. if i say do it, they're going to do it. that's what leadership is all about. >> that was donald trump last night insisting that if he becomes president and commander in chief and orders our military to water board terrorists, they will do it, even though to do so would be illegal. then we saw serious pushback from the intelligence and military communities. and mr. trump reversed himself on a long-held position. in moments, we'll hear from two
combat veterans on this issue. but trace gallagher reports on what trump's team is saying now. trace? >> reporter: since at least early december, donald trump has said when it comes to terrorist suspects he would do "a hell of a lot more than waterboarding," saying authorizing the military to kill family members of terrorists was a necessary deterrent and that he would perhaps also chop off heads. despite being reminded his orders could result in war crimes charges against military members, superiors and the u.s. government, trump has maintained his position. former cia director michael hayden told bill maher the military would refuse trump's order. >> you are required not to follow an unlawful order. that would be in violation of all the international laws of armed conflict. >> reporter: experts say, the i
was only following orders defense has been rejected since nueremberg. but he said -- >> they won't refuse me. if i say do it, they'll do it. that's what leadership is all about. >> reporter: trump insisted for months he won't back down. now he's backing down, saying in part -- >> reporter: the ranking democrat on the house intel committee adam schiff now wants trump to disavow torture all together. >> joining me now pete hexa, iraq war veteran and carl higby, a former navy s.e.a.l. why, pete, we saw the reversal today, even though he's held this position for months now?
>> i'm glad he reversed it, but it's typical trump. all bluster, little substance. he talks a tough game, but when pressed he's an armchair tough guy. this is a guy who said that john mccain is not a war hero, yet he sought his own five military deferments. because he says things people want to hear after seven years of mom jeans from barack obama who refuses to fight the enemy and has restrictive rules of engagement that hurt our men and women on the battlefield. but he goes too far and when the military says we won't follow illegal orders, like torture or killing families, he realizes wait, i might be commander in chief. the problem here is, voters don't know whether you get the bluster trump, which is the armchair tough guy, or you get the one who walks it back now on a statement who says no, i'll follow the wall. >> general michael hayden, who ran the nsa and cia said this is a dangerous position.
he's not a trump supporter. he said this is dangerous. for him to have been hold thing position for months that he's going to command our troops to violate the law is just unacceptable. your thoughts? >> i think trump made it very clear he wasn't going to violate the law. >> the point is, last night on the debate stage he said he was. >> right. what's dangerous is fighting a war with our hands tied behind our backs where our enemy can chop off your head but our troops can fight with their hands tied behind their back. what's dangerous is we're fighting an enemy with diplomatic principles that aren't ckonadconducive to winni war. >> is the answer really to go over here, completely the opposite way, past the point where we're obeying the laws but fighting aggressively, carl? >> what we need is a leader like
donald trump to change the laws. >> we can't change the geneva convention. donald trump is not going to change the geneva convention. >> a true leader can lobby for it. >> carl, don't talk nonsense. let's keep it real. donald trump has pro military positions. pete, is there any chance in -- on god's green earth of trump changing the geneva convention? >> no. but he can get lawyers out of the way. but ted cruz and marco rubio and others have said, they'll get rid of the lawyers, too. here's the problem with trump, he says torture, kill the families. what happens when people follow those orders or don't follow them? it's not clear that donald trump will have their back. he's often times about donald trump. so if you're not changing the law and just saying it, you create even more ambiguity. >> even if he had their back, they would be in trouble. i had a dad stop me in an
airport this morning and said my son is going to west point next year, and they asked him during the interview if you're given an order you know illegal, do you follow it. he said even my 17-year-old knew the answer is no, i will not, because your duty is to the country and constitution and to uphold the law. his point is, how can my 17-year-old know that and the man who wants to be commander in chief not? >> what trump is meaning, he's not going to commit to a foreign war unless we have the ability to go in there and fight to win. if you're unwilling to be as ruthless as your enemy, you've already lost. >> what about american ideals? we don't chop off the heads of our enemy. we don't murder their families. what the other side is saying, pete, we don't sacrifice who we are as a country because we are at war. >> you don't have to sacrifice who you are in order to prosecute a war ruthlessly. this is where carl is right. we have tied our hands.
we aren't willing to viciously willing to eliminate the enemy. and carl is one of those brave warriors that has done that. but you can put your warriors in a place where they're compromising their own principles. so you can go after them viciously attack them and find them where they are, and do what we need to do to defeat our enemies. what donald trump is doing here, though, creates more complications on the back end. >> just to be clear, it was in trace's report, but trump's statement today is he does understand the u.s. is bound by you la laws and treaties and he will not order a military officer to violate the laws. up next, hot off strong views of the fox debate. john kasich went one on one with the michigan voters and we were
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you see, because throughout this campaign, i've talked about issues. i have never tried to go and get into these kind of scrums that we're seeing here on the stage, and people say everywhere i go, you seem to be the adult on the stage. [ applause ] in terms of -- >> that was governor john kasich last night at the fox news gop debate, painting himself as the only adult on the stain. we wanted to know if the voters agreed with that, so we invited the governor to join pollster frank luntz and his focus group after the debate to answer their questions. watch this. >> ladies and gentlemen, i want to introduce the man who you said won the debate tonight, governor john kasich of the state of ohio. [ applause ] governor, how are you? how many people walked in here supporting john kasich, raise your hands. three people. how many thought he won the debate. overwhelming. governor, what do you want them to know about your campaign or
what you're about that you weren't able to tell them this eving? >> i can fix the problems in washington, balancing the budget, getting the country straightened up. but i want to shift a lot of power back to where you live, and you know what i want you to do? i want you to revive the spirit of our country by fixing things where you live. don't wait for somebody to come in and solve all the problems. we got to fix our schools, keep our kids away from drugs, and i'll tell you another thing. it's like that lady who was married for 52 years. her husband died. nobody takes her to dinner. call her up. she'll get her hair done on thursday and when you pick her up on saturday, she'll have a dress on she hasn't worn in six months. we need to pull ourselves together. our families, our communities, our neighborhoods. i'll take care of washington. you just take care of this. if i run into trouble, i'll give
you a call. >> what do you think, is that what you're looking for? [ applause ] so here's your opportunity, what questions do you have? go ahead in the back. >> i think a lot of us really fell in love with you, but we're being told you don't have a chance. how do we get you a chance? >> the key is, we have to have a decent showing here. when we win ohio, it will be a whole new ball game. i need to get a little springboard out of michigan into ohio. if i can win in ohio, i'm going to emerge even more. see, the problem has been, i'm not willing to get down in the gutter. and so i don't say incendiary things to get elected. >> reaction? >> i won't do it. but if you don't, then you don't get on television. here's what is really amazing. you think about this. i was 1% in the polls all the way to new hampshire. people had counted me out. they said i couldn't win. we razed money and spent it so
carefully. i finished second in new hampshire. that's the first time you saw me. then i go down south and they ignore me again. they ignored me the whole time, because i'm not sayi ining thes things and fighting somebody. i'm not going to do that. if i don't win, that's life. >> you walked in her supporting who? >> mr. kasich. >> what is special about him? >> you have a plan, you have experience. i lived in ohio. i love ohio. it's a great place. i'm back into michigan. you know, you've done a lot there. i was around in voting when you were in congress and when you worked with newt gingrich and when you knew ronald reagan. so you speak my language. i think that's what our country needs now. >> i have a bias. i always go to the youngest person in the room. you're 18 years old. what would you ask governor case snik >> how do you plan to motivate the young people to get out in
numbers? >> my message to you, you're made special. nobody has ever been born is ever like you and no one who will come after you will be like you. so the question is, what do you want to do to change the world? because that's what you have to believe in. what i want to do is make sure you have the power so that you can get a job, we get the job growth and the wages. we can do that, because i know how to do that. for you, if i can convention you that you can change the world by living a life bigger than yourself, you'll get fired up and excited. don't you think? >> governor, the problem is when you mention the word democrat, you know that's red made for so many republicans. it doesn't bother you? >> we have to get these things done. we're not going to fix social security with just one party. we don't have to agree with people that don't think the way
we do all the time. but once in a while, if they want to help us to build a house, we invite them over. see, it's not worth winning if you can't deliver on what you're saying. and it's not worth winning if all you want to do is spew red meat. look, we're down to four, and i'm standing. i'm the last governor, okay? i mean, it's been fine. and i got to win by raising the bar, not lowering it. if you want to beat donald trump, you're not going to beat him by insulting him. you need a bigger vision. >> you guys agree? >> governor, my question is, you mentioned that you didn't want to have the incendiary things and get in the gutter. by american is when it comes to the general election, if you are that candidate, you will not go negative. i feel prior to the elections, they weren't negative enough. >> first of all, i beat an incumbent in my first election. i was the only republican to defeat an incumbent congressman
in 1992. for somebody who has never ran statewide, it was 96 years. and for my re-election, i won 86 out of 88 counties and 26% of african-americans. don't think that i'm not tough. i come from the keys rocks. if you brought your football team in and you beat us, we would break every window on your bus. but i'm beating hillary clinton by 11 pointing. because those democrats who reagan got like me. and the independents like me. you know why? because i'm not showing my teeth all the time. i'm trying to bring people together. there is something deep inside of us that would like to see some solutions today in this country. so don't worry about my toughness. you don't want to get in a fight with me. >> ladies and gentlemen, governor john kasich. [ applause ] >> we've got some exclusive new behind the scenes footage from a
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an embarrassment to everybody, including the republican party. >> that was republican front-runner donald trump in the debate last night, responding to harsh criticism yesterday from 2012 republican presidential nominee mitt romney. hours earlier in the day yesterday, romney labeled trump a phony and fraud, and yesterday mr. trump did not just hit back at mr. romney, he also went after one of our frequent guests, and the man who is here tonight, governor romney's top 2012 campaign strategist. watch. >> his campaign guy was terrible, terrible. he had a terrible campaign manager, who is always on television knocking everybody. he ran one of the worst campaigns in the history of modern politics. >> in moments, we'll be joined by stu stevens with barry ben it, an informal adviser to the trump campaign. but first, the man under fire, stuart stevens joins us. great to see you.
so i want to get your reaction to last night's debate first. >> listen, i thought it was a great night for hillary clinton, and a disaster for republicans. donald trump has this unique ability to degrade everything he touches. for the first time we saw someone out there as a presidential candidate defending his penis and attacking the constitution. that's going to attract vote sners on sunday, he had to research the kkk. thursday, he's saying he will order the united states military to commit war crimes, because they'll do what he says. now he walks it back. i mean, this is just someone who, every day, shows in different ways why he's unfit to be president of the united states. and why he's not a conservative and doesn't believe in the constitution. >> what did you -- what do you think was the purpose of what mitt romney did yesterday? >> oh, i think it's clear.
you have to stand up to donald trump, and you have to stand up for your principles. if you're just quiet now, when you have someone who is running for president of the united states, who clearly is out there threatening foundations of the country. he's threatened the first amendment. he's threatened to make the united states military commit war crimes. >> is this about a romney run, though? is mitt romney getting ready to run? >> no, no. i don't think so at all. >> not even at a contested convention? >> i don't think so. this has never made sense to me, if idea that an outsider would come in, in a contested convention. it seems to me most likely, if one person doesn't have the 1237, that two other candidates would join -- who have been out on the race would join together on a second ballot in some sort of alliance, form a ticket, and win.
you don't need the supporters of donald trump to do that. you would have say i think most likely a kasich/rubio ticket or a cruz/rubio ticket. they've been out there now for a year plus running. i don't think they'll say this we've done this but bring in somebody else who hasn't. i don't think it's plausible. >> do you think if donald trump secures this nomination, there will be a third party run, even if that means giving hillary clinton essentially the white house? >> i think absolutely. i think it's essential there is a third party run. senator sass has been very articulate on this. you have to have a conservative alternative. if donald trump is the nominee, there won't be for the first time in our lifetime. and the party has to stand for something other than election or it stands for nothing. so i think without a doubt, there will be a strong third party run of a conservative candidate who believes in the constitution, who is not going to have to go out there and walk
back things he said about the first amendment or about the military. and that republicans can be proud of. >> stuart, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> joining us with more is barry benne bennett. good to see you. do you believe that's possible, that the republicans or the conservatives would run a third party against mr. trump if he gets this nomination? >> i hope not. it's exciting to know that stuart is a conservative, that's news. but i mean, listen, marco rubio has to win 66% of the delegates, as we sit here tonight in order to get the nomination. that's not going to happen. after tomorrow, if the polls stay the way they are, it's impossible. >> the experts are saying, the people we trust are saying the only way those -- they can't win outright. they have to hope for a
contested convention. >> they have to subvert the will have oh the people. perhaps donald trump gives 49% instead of 50%. that's absurd. you might as well strap on a vest and blow up the convention. you'll kill the party. there would be protests in cleveland like we wouldn't believe. that is ridiculous. this is really stupid advice, whoever gave it to mitt romney. mitt romney has never been a conservative leader. he was a great guy. he ran. it was a bad campaign. but this is really, really stupid advice. >> what do you make of all the heat trump is talking today for his reversals on the issue of how he would command our troops? >> it seems like on the troop thing, he did what he should have done. instead of everyone saying that's good, everyone wants to criticize him no matter what happens. but he's growing as a candidate. he will grow as a candidate as we go along.
73 polls since july 9 or whenever he got in the race. ben carson led four, ted cruz led one, and he's led every other single poll. it's a little late in february and march to launch this kind of an attack. >> he's taking a lot of heat for the comment about his anatomy. your thoughts on it? >> who brought it up, you know? the small hands joke -- >> that's a debate. rubio brought it up at the campaign trail. >> this is the problem. we're not talking about issues, but petty attacks. you are not going to get elected -- >> donald trump has made a lot of petty attacks, you have to admit that. >> i think the debates have been a disaster for the party, i agree with stuart on that. too many. we're not talking about
anything. >> on twitter, all i saw was, omg, omg, omg. barry, great to see you. hope to see you again soon. up next, mark mckinnen with a click with what his cameras captured behind the scenes this week, next. >> rubio really got under trump's skin the last debate, tried to do it tonight, not as effectively. [woodworker] i live in the fine details. that's why i run on quickbooks. i use the payments app to accept credit cards... ...and everything autosyncs. those sales prove my sustainable designs are better for the environment and my bottom line. that's how i own it. ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back
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what are some surprises for you? >> how disingenuous the process. >> really? >> i'm not naive and done big deals all over the place and we get how the world operates but seeing the desperation in the other campaigns and trying to take something and turn it into something it's not and -- frankly, sometimes the outright lies, because it doesn't matter. when you. >> poll apologize, the retraction on page 30 two weeks later doesn't mean anything. you get the win then and move on and everyone forgets. >> uh-huh. that was our next guest and donald trump jr. in a new clip of "the circus." the show behind the scenes of the 2016 presidential campaign
n. this next clip, they take their cameras into a trump campaign rally. watch. >> this is a kind of event that trump's been doing all campaign and he's got the balls to do it. the mojo to do it. the people to do it. laugh early on at the big events or dismiss them as curiosity. there's not anyone else in this race with the confidence to try to fill a place like this. [ chanting ] >> build that wall. we're going to build that wall. don't worry about it. and who's going to pay for that wall? who? >> joining us now, mark mckinnon.
also former chief media adviser to george w. bush's presidential campaigns. >> thank you. >> you can't understand when's happening with the donald trump movement as he calls it without going to a rally. >> i was stunned. working in politics for 30 years. it's a phenomenon. it's a movement. you see constituencies and people passionate, excited and you don't normally see at political rallies and not just angry old people. there's young people. blue collar, hard labor types. a lot of people normally democratic constituencies. he's building a different coalition. >> bret bair did a special where people were getting donald trump tattoos. >> last episode, a tattoo on the face. >> that is commitment. that's an unwavering voter. >> jane sanders and donald trump jr., he wasengaging,
interesting, articulate. just started to be a surrogate for his dad up there in nevada and talking their language. >> all of the kids are great representatives. >> that says something about him. >> i have to work on my right now. they're good. very little. what do you make of this what stewart stevens suggesting that the republicans likely run a third party candidate? >> i predicted this september 9th. i said that irony would be if you remember last year forcing donald trump to sign a pledge he won't do that. i said, flash forward, it would be he gets the nomination and republicans run an independent candidate to resurrect the new republican party and a message -- >> giving hillary the white house? >> i think they think that's going to happen anyway. why not go down with somebody that carries a message? >> going down fighting? >> exactly. >> what did you make of the debate? >> i watched it at cpac. there were 3,000 rabid people
just went crazy and yelling and screaming and so they loved it. they loved it. it was great. and -- >> do you feel like it moved the needle in any way? >> i think it's -- in some ways, i mean, there was a lot of cruz supporters there. it was very conservative crowd. but everybody had their own faction. the thing that i felt like, you know talking to people afterwards, they felt like that the case is prosecuted each week with each debate and flesh wounds anyway. whether or not they're mortal wounds, maybe not. starting to build a stronger and stronger case and, you know, but maybe not in time but more vuler nbl. >> donald trump become the front-runner and running away with this thing by any account and remarkable how people haven't been doing it prior to now. it's fascinating. highly recommend "the circus."
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special event this monday. hillary clinton and bernie sanders sit down with bret bair. almost never dane to come over here to fox news. this is big. thank you for watching, everybody. >> donald, please, i know it's hard not to interrupt. but try. breathe, breathe. i am, ted. >> tonight, the dust settling on the fiery gop debate so where does the race go from here? our panel responds. and i interviewed texas senator ted cruz and ohio governor john kasich today. we'll play the highlights. >> i thought they'd come at me stronger. they're pretty far down and i thought they'd come at me stronger. >> we spoke with donald trump right after the debate. we'll show that interview. we have a duty, an honor and an obligation to make sure that we preserve,