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obama very easy. >> we luwill talk to the attackn this year's frontrunner. plus the feds grant immunity to a former safe department staffer responsible for setting uphill ry clinton's prooif mat e-mail server. is that the biggest threat to clinton's nomination? all of that right now on fox news sunday. we hello again. we begin with late breaking election results. republicans went to the polls. it was a split decision between donald trump and ted cruz. trump posted a win in louisiana with 41 percent of the vote. he took kentucky with 36 percent. cruz posted a decisive win in kansas with 48 percent and in may with 36 percent -- 46 percent. the overall count has trump 378
delegates cruiz with 295 rubio with 123 and kasich with 34. 3 12 37 are needed for the nomination. the big story this week is the open warfare inside the republican party. in a few minutes we will talk live with former governor mitt romney who launched a blistering attack against trump this week. first the king of conservative talk radio rush limbaugh who joins us from his eib studio in florida. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> great to be here. i want everybody to know i don't usually speak in 10-11 minute segments. do not get mad if he has to interrupt me to keep him on track he wants to stay on. thank you. that's a dispensation for the folks. >> brevity is the soul of wit.
let's go. >> let's start with mitt romney's speech this week in which he basically joined the anybody but trump movement. you say that's going to black fire with trump supporters and other voters are going to see it as the establishment trying to tell them what to do with mitted romney listening explain what he's my i go. -- missing. >> it is all that and more but it is not that unprecedented. >> he did the same with goldwater with the republican guys back in 1964. the establishment, this isn't new. the establishment not wanting outsiders not wanting conservatives isn't anything new. now very briefly. there is something remarkable happening here for the longest time theublican party told us we can't win with just republican votes. that's why they support amnesty and democrats on many issues to go out after hispanics and other
minorities. guess who is doing it? donald trump is doing it he's put together a coalition whether he intended to or not he has put together a coalition which is ex whaktly the republican party says it needs to win. they are trying to get trump out of the race because they are in the in charge of is it. they are not in control of it. it is the most amazing thing to watch this happen. governor romney tries to talk people out of trump. you can't talk his supporters out of supporting him. the only guy that will be able to do that is trump himself. >> let's talk about that. there's a lot of commentary some coming from conservatives who say the republican party is in danger of tearing itself apart. we have seen splits over political philosophy. that's not what's happening this time. this is the establishment, the elite of the party verses grass
roots base. >> it isn't anything new. they were this way with ronald reagan before he was elected. they tried to deny reagan in 86 and 80. they are not conservative. when i hear governor romney in his speech last week talk about how the republican party must stand for legitimate conservative values, they don't. that's why they are having the problem they are having. they are not conservative. they are being run by their donors. you look at the primaries you realize they don't like cruz either, chris. maybe they dislike cruz more than trump. but cruz and trump are the only guys that have won anything. the establishment candidate in this race cannot get noticed. the republicans primary voters whether they are closed primaries or open are voting for anybody but candidates attached to the republican establishment. >> i know that you think that ted cruz is the real conservative in this race, and we will stediscuss him in a mom. let's talk about donald trump
first. how would you feel -- you talk about him bringing new people into the party. how would you feel if he ends up as the republican nominee as president? >> well, i would feel much the way i feel with anybody. you deal with what you end up getting. i am not under any illusion, chris, that i have any ultimate say so in this. i am like anybody else in the media. i have my opinions and i share them. you don't nin e-- win everythin. ultimately you have to pick what you get. i think in the case of trump there's a much bigger upside than down side. a lot of people disagree with me on this. the people who want somebody not of washington, it is serious this time. the disconnect between a republican party establishment and a democrat establishment and the people of this country is longer, broader, wider than i have ever seen it. they are telling them they want
them to fix everything. everything they have picked they have botched. the stimulus bill. look at the college education. it is an impediment because of how much itst coulds. it is no longer a step up. the american people have worn out their patience being told by their so-called beggars that you don't quite know how to live your lives the right way, we need to arrange things for you so you can do better yourself. they would rather invest in tha themselves than listen to the people in washington. >> marco rubio had a tough night three thirds and a fourth. cruz won two states. afterwards trump called on rubio to drop out and make this a two-man race between trump and cruz. you live in florida. is marco rubio finished? >> i don't see where he's getting traction anywhere. again, what is harming him?
when rubio won the election he was a tea party darling and favorite. what happened? bang gang of eight. whatever the reality is the perception is he went to washington and through in with the quote-unquote establishment. he cannot recover from that. has not been able to recover from that. he is seen as the candidate, the republican party and donors decided to glob on to next. look at again bush 150 million and jeb actually stated in december 2014 he was going to win this primary by not winning it. he was going to win it without based voters. they are embarrassed of their base. marco is attached to the establishment. i don't see his few fewer in this>> you have not endorsed a candidate but you talk favorably about ted cruz. he's the closest we are going to come to ronald reagan in my
lifetime. i didn't know him as well as you did but i covered him for eight years as president. i got to say i felt reagan was more inclusive than cruz is more about trying to soften the edges to get more people inside the tent. >> i don't think that's st strategic. you are talking about personalti personalties senator cruise's strategy is -- this is the convention of wisdom they didn't like he wasn't religious enough. anyway senator cruz thinks if he can get those voters that everybody votes the same way they did in 2012 they could win in a land slide. he tailored his message for a specific conservative evangelical. i think it has limited his appeal. he has the ability to afeel to everybody.
that debate the other night that you did he was in a different league on a different planet. everybody says you need substance in this debate. you got it from cruz. at one point trump had to say whatever ted said i agree with it. he's just in a different league. he understands conservatism because he is. he is a nice guy. he is not nasty he's not a liar he's down the middle guy anybody can trust. he's got plenty of integrity. this is what happens in politics. establishment doesn't like him either. he is who he is. he is conservative. he does want to get government out of people's lives. we can't have that. >> let's look down the line a little bit. there's a lot of talk among the scott trump movement about a brokered convention. first of all what do you think about the chance of that and second, if they go into the convention and trump doesn't have the majority doesn't have
1237 but he has more delegates that be anybody else, what happens if the establishment keeps him from getting the nomination. >> you keep a sharp eye. who wins this? the republican party. they run it. i was looking at the rules the other day. rule 40 determines everything that you asked me about. if trump does not get 1,237, the el gats are pledged to him they want to vote for him after that it is wide open. but there's also at least as of 2012 and something to be changed any time they want, candidates in order to be considered at an open convention have to have gotten at least a majority of delegates in eight states. they can change that rule any time they want. they can change the rules whenever they want, media coming up prior to the convention. they will do i predict if they can't stop trump in the primary process they will make an effort to stop him in the convention.
governor romney has pretty much dell graphed it. >> what would happen if that did? >> if that happens there's a walkout. if that happens you have utter chaos. it will exemplify what has happened to the republican party in his face. >> here's the question i get asked most often from folks i run into. how does this story end? >> i think it ends with everything working out. i think it ends with a nominee. i actually think when we get down to this summer and this all comes together and they pressure an intensity now we are going to have a nominee whoever it is and i think we are going to have support for the nominee. we are going to move forward because i think at the end of all of this everybody is going to ultimately realize that if the democrats party that is the most destructive force in this country, it is not one of these republicans. they have to be stopped. they have as to to be stopped t election if this country is to
be restored to the founding principles and the ideals had a the majority relate to. >> bottom line, all of this talk about a rupture, a shattering of the republican party and if trump wins the nomination there will be a third party run, you think a lot of that is over grown? >> i do, i am rarely wrong i could be. there might be a third party. the hill where i clinton democrat party pose the greatest threat to our future. children, brand children all of that is going to bring everybody back to reality. the republican party may be for every constituted and changed which may not be a bad thing either in and of itself. this is real. this is not a phase or a temper tantrum. the average ordinary american who i believe makes this country works thinks the republican
party is actually oriented against its interests and does not understand or believe the crisis they think the country is in. the party will not be cleared but clear heads will prevail and the correct enemy will be identified, political enemy will be identified and efforts will come together to defeat whoever it is they throw up. >> thank you. always good to talk to you. i don't think i interrupted you a single time. i have to applaud both of us for that. >> thank you, chris, very much. great to be here always. >> mitt romney on the republican party and his attack on donald trump. plus what do you think of romney's speech and the prospect of a brokered convention? let me know on facebook or twitter at fox news sunday. use the hashtag fns. i'd like to make a dep-- vo: it happens so often, you almost get used to it.
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a oo a look outside the beltway in detroit. the toughest town of all with hillary clinton and bernie sanders ahead of michigan's primary on tuesday. this week the last republican nominee mitt romney launched a brutal attack on this year's frontrunner donald trump. he joins me live from san diego. welcome back. >> thanks chris. good to be with you. >> in the interest of equal time you heard rush limb paw had a lot to say about. you what do you want to say back? >> well, i always enjoy listening to rush limb paw bau-
rush limbaugh. we can all agree this is a very important election. we don't want to see hillary clinton become the president of the united states. i think the great majority of republicans mainstream republicans don't want to see donald trump as the president of the united states either. they are concerned we would see a recession and a more dangerous world. >> here is the criticism i heard from some people and i guess that would include rush limbaugh about your speech. you certainly have a right, the fist amendment is there to criticize donald trump and say why he would be a bad president, but some people say your speech was sconeding even undemocratic in the sense that in effect you are saying folks who are voting for trump don't know what they are doing? >> inge folks need to understand the whole background of donald trump. i find from time to time, i talk to people about the campaign and they say dosgosh, i didn't know donald trump gave a bunch of money to jimmy carter and hillary clinton and harry read
and john kerry. they heard from donald trump he's such an extraordinary success they didn't know about trump airlines and trump airlines and trump vitamin networks and trump taj mahal. a lot of small people have been crushed by donald trump's rise to become a very wealthy man successful financially. he has not been a uniform success. as they learn about him they say i want to learn more about the other guys in the race. >> this is the establishment basically he trying to maintain control of a guy -- an push back a guy they wouldn't be able to control. >> well, you can't control ted cruz for instance. no one has suggested you can do that. everybody tried to stop marco rubio from going against a sitting republican governor in florida. he did it anyway and won. establishment suggested there must be some wizard ch oz
somewhere pulling the strings. i watched donald trump and said i better say something. i didn't talk to anybody. this is something i did on my own because i cared deeply about the country. i love america. i am concerned about america. i believe the heart and soul of conservatives and republicans recognize the principles that donald trump is talking about have nothing to do with conservatism, nothing to do with keeping america strong. >> do you see any connection between your speech and the fact that trump who was expected to win all four contests yesterday ended up losing two of them to ted cruz? >> well, it was a big night for ted cruz last night as you know. i think that's overwhelmingly because people are taking a closer and closer look at donald trump. i think the best look they got was at the last debate. i think ted cruz and marco rubio prosecuted their facase effectively. donald doesn't have any answers. when they talk about immigration and releasing the tapes from the new york times we began talking
about flexibility and immigration. pretty clearly saying that what he said to the new york times is very different than what he is saying to the american people. he is not the real deal. he is a phony. you know, he talks about how he's not going to be controlled the muddied interest. do people understand he's not giving money to his campaign? he's loaning it. he's expected to get money back from the same big donors he decries right now. he's planning on running a general election based upon raising money from those very people. he's not the real deal. i think as ted cruz and marco rubio made that very clear and that's why you saw the kind of night that happened last night. >> you took down donald trump pretty hard this week. you had a very different view of him four years ago when he endorsed you. take a look. >> there are some things you can't image happening in your life. this is one of them. being in donald trump's magnificent hotel and having his endorsement is a delight.
he has shown an extraordinary ability to understand how our economy works to create jobs for the american people. >> dpovrn another ks what changed? >> let me tell you, this is a guy if you look at the past he was a guy who was very successful made a lot of money for himself. but at the same time take a close look at look how many small people he crushed along the way and how many nail yours he had. we could talk about the past at great length. i have a lot of people who endorsed me who i wouldn't endorse. he happens to be one of those who endorsed me i don't want to see tas president of the united states. 61 million people voted for me. i don't think all 61 million should be president of the united states. >> you were talking about his ability to create jobs and understand the economy. it's not everything you believe he did wrong has happened in the last four years. a lot of those business failures you talk about happened before 2012, before 2012 he was making
the argument that president obama needed to show his birth certificate because he wasn't born in the united states. by legitimizing him back then are you part of the reason he is where he is now? >> let's talk about what hasn't happened or didn't happen back then and what has happened during this campaign. calling george b. wush a liar cos seeing up to vladimir putin saying he's a strong leader and popular with his people. equivocating on the ku klux klan. talking about awes mull limbs as if they are one mondayletic group. he considered mexicans immigrants, rapists. policy decisions one after the other. these are decisions which are totally inappropriate. he doesn't want to balance the budget. sa as you saw 10 trillion of additional debt. this is a guy who doesn't represent what's right for the future of the republican party. >> in your speech this week you suggested that the other three candidates should in effect work
together to try to stop trump. vote for kasich in ohio vote for rubio in florida. basically stop trump flood the field. but that isn't working that way. kasich rejected it in the debate. we hear cruz is actively campaigning against rubio in florida to try to even if it means trump wins to try to drive rubio out of the race. are they making a mistake? >> i think they each one that ha campaign in the way they think is most appropriate for them. most likely to be the nominee. i am not going to tell them how to run their campaign. i think people are likely to get behind john kasich. if i were a resident that's who i would vote for. in florida people look at mark yo rubio and are impressed with his track record. i think he is going to win in florida. we will see. it is close. the final analysis i think you
will see one of the three. ted cruz will emerge as the strongest contender. that can change. we have seen a lot of surprises in the campaign. one of those three i am going to endorse before the conventionment i convention. i am hopeful one of the three is the nominee. >> there is speculation when you call for contested convention you are opening a door for a scenario in which the party would end upturning to you. here's how you answered that question this week. >> there are no circumstances i can foresee where that would possibly happen. let me say something. i can determine no reasonable sk scenario i could image. >> close the door. you will not run for president. >> i am not running for president and i won't run for president. >> this is president kind of thing. the question i am going to ask you is why people hate reporters. you say you won't run for president but you didn't rule out a draft. here's an opportunity. >> oh, gosh. okay, chris. this is so ridiculous.
i am not going there. you got three people who i would like to see as the nominee. i am going to endorse one of them. i am going to campaign with one of them. i am not running for president. i am not planning on running for president. that's what it is all about. you got four people running for president one of them will be the nominee. >> general george sherman said if nominated i will not run if elected i will not serve. >> in my opinion that's an absurd thing to say. no republican should say that. if they were drafted by their country they would say no. but what i can tell you is i am not running for president. i am not going to run for president. i am going to support one of these four people to be our nominee. i am supporting three of them right now. that means we are going to get one of those people as our nominee. >> people are going to say he opened a door to a draft. you know how absurd that is? we have four strong people running for president. they will be our nominee. i tell you chris, there is
absolute 100 percent certainty of that in my view. >> finally, despite saying they all thought evidence unqualified to be president all three of the candidates on that stage on thursday night also said if trump is the nominee they will support him. you say you won't. do you think one it is a mistake for those guys to say they will support him even if he is the nominee and what are your plans if he is the nominee? would you support a third party candidacy? >> i think the guys would ask that question would remember the fact that the beginning of the campaign they all committed to support the nominee. they didn't image it might be done na donald trump and at the debate they were having a hard time getting the word out but they honored the pledge they made at the very beginning. in terms of my own plans i anticipate supporting one of the three ted cruz, marco rubio or john kasich as our naoominee. if they don't become the nominee
i am going to go for the voting booth and find someone else running as a conservative or write somebody who should be the president of the united states who i could be proud of and who i believe is interested in balancing the budget keeping america safe with a strong military and who is not willing to disparage fellow americans, mexican americans, muslims and so support. >> governor thank you for talking with us. always good to talk to you, sir. >> thanks so much. good to be with you. >> up next we will bring in our sunday group with the growing republican split. this little guy is about to make his first deposit. we'd like to open a savings account for him. yes yes. great thanks to mom and dad and their safe driving bonus check from allstate. oh. look at this. safe driving bonus. are you a safe driver? lucky little fella. only allstate gives you two safe driving bonus checks a year for driving safe. see how much more an allstate agent can do for you.
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>> mark yo rubio had a very, very bad night. i would ask him to drop out of the race. i would love to take on ted one-on-one. >> ours is the only campaign that has repeatedly beaten donald trump. we are the only campaign that can and will beat donald trump in this race. >> donald trump and dead cruz both calling for a two-man race after they each won to states last night. it is time for our sunday group. syndicated columnist george well. campaigned the process for the associated press. mark due han who was a top advisor to chris christie's presidential campaign and charles lane for the "washington
post". what do you make of this week's developments trump's continued march toward the nomination, romney's speech and this escalating talk about the republican party tearing it self apart? >> i think questiwe may have pa peak trump. i don't think romney was under illusions he was going to talk trump supporters out of supporting them. i think he knows the axiom you cannot reason a person opositio they cannot be reasoned to. it sets up an interesting phenomen phenomenon. if he is the nominee he will be opposed by the most recent republican nominee. it sort of fits because the republican nominee will be said the most recent republican president should have been impeached. our parties are not flimsy things. democratic party is the oldest party in the world. the republican and democratic
party has been framing this debate for 160 years. what they need to keep from blowing up is a choice between mr. trump and someone else. the evidence is ted cruz announced he was going to open 10 offices in the state of florida. he is probably not doing that to win florida but to prevent marco rubio from winning that. if that happens you have your choices you have the best chance of not settling this where if in the outcome what you outlined with rush limbaugh trump has a majority of the largest share then you would have a play off. >> we saw last night's results trump wins two states, cruz wins two states, kasich and rubio win nothing. trump calling on rubio to dop out.
is this in effect now a two-man race? >> i think we have gotten to that point. i don't think we will know for sure. they have each put a premium on winning their own state. the problem is both of their strategies at this point was to hope that would be the moment where it would be a two-person race. senator cruz has had enough success he's in and will be in for the long hall. if kasich or rubio win their home state you will have three marching for which the effect will be to stop trump. >> what do you think as george pointed out of cruz''s idea not to win the state but to take down rubio so it becomes cruz and trump? >> the goal for anybody who wasn't donald trump in this campaign going back 6, 7 months was to get to a point where you are one-on-one against donald trump. he is smart to do this. it is four-way game at chess instead of 17 as it was in the beginning. >> what about the clip i want a
two-man race against cruz because when we go to places like new york or pennsylvania or go out to california, i am going to beat cruz badly. >> i think he's right. i think he wants that as well. i think he feels can go as well. you have to be confident. he will have an advantage over ted cruz and if he does win florida and 9 delegates there he will continue to widen the margin. >> there was the fox republican debate this week. >> breathe, breathe. >> lying ted. >> you can do it. you can breathe. i know test hard. i know it's hard. >> when they are done with the yoga can i answer a question? >> oh boy. >> i know that you are covering the campaign. you also talked to folks at the white house and a lot of the democrats on the campaign trail. what do they make of trump? what do they make of all of the
theatrics some would salo brow and do they think the republicans are handing them president presidency or do they appeal to bringing in new voters? >> you see an evolution the way democrats view trump. there was a sense this was such a gift to democrats if they could let trump stay in this race and continue to say these things that would alienate a lot of voters this would be a huge gift to basically give hillary clinton essentially the presidency. the shift you have seen comes from watching republicans handle trump and the realization you can't just give him a pathway and let himself destruct. right now you have groups around hillary clinton and inside the hillary clinton campaign that are preparing for a general election match up with him and taking it seriously looking at his business record looking at things he has been saying about women and mine twloerioritiemin. they would run an aggressive campaign. you have to take every assumption we have about
politics and throw them out the window. you have to look at the map a different way. i wouldn't say they are worried to the point that they think hillary could lose but they are preparing for a tough campaign. >> what do they make of the fact that whether you like him or not there's a huge enthusiasm gap with record turnout in republican primary after primary and not strong turnout from democratics. >> this will be a turnout game no matter who the parties are you have to turn out your base. trump is showing an ability to energize them and get people to the polls. hillary clinton has problems with her like ability factors that make people want to get out and vote for you. they know this would be a potential issue for they are. her. >> republicans lost the vote a race against ted cruz is a much more traditional race than we have had. the last six the race against donald trump is very much out there. he's very much an x factor. >> trump would be a tougher candidate for the democrats to
beat than ? >> i want to go back to the basic question at the beginning of the program. is all of the talk about the republican party tearing itself apart, is that over blown or is the party of lincoln, the party that started in 1860, is it in real jeopardy? >> i would say it's in real jeopardy in two-ways. the first way is prospects for the general election. if you look at the most recent gallup poll numbers the most popular figure in the general populus in the republican party is marco rubio. during this entire process all of the fire all of the money has been aimed at destroying marco rubio as the two people left standing ted cruz and ron in do trump have the worst problem. number two the ideas the coherence of messaging of the party has been completely
scrambleed by this campaign. if you are down ballot in the republican party if you are running for senate or congress you have no idea who is going to be the top of your ticket and who your partner at the top of the ticket is to be. it is destabilized. i would say split or broken it remains to be seen. it destabilized the party when they had a chance of taking the program. >> you say a party is a strong structure it has gone through various permutations and combinations over the years, but how does a party survive if you have this one two leading candidates trump and cruz who are basically running against the washington establishment saying they are corrupt and they are going to come in and change things. >> in case trump is the nominee there are reliable reports the
republican senatorial candidates are planning to distance themselves even with ads taking on the man at the top of the ticket. second -- >> you are saying republican attack ads against the republican nominee? >> distancing ads. second the republican party will have to rethink the business of having open primary caucuses. 7 of the 19 event so far have been closed trump has lost five of them. the question is this a hostile takeover of the republican party and they have to think do they want to go forward year after year july nerable to this. >> when we come back, a new twist in the hillary clinton e-mail scandal. what could it mean for her nomination. what would you like to ask the panel about the fbi investigation of the e-mails. we may use your question on the air. (vo) my name's nick
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>> i am thrilled you are adding to our pledge delegate count. i am grateful to everyone who turned out oh support us. but now all eyes turn to michigan. >> bernie sanders and hillary clinton reacting to a split verdict in three races saturday night. sanders picked up wins in two caucus days. in kansas he won with 68 percent. in nebraska with 56 percent. little i hillary cln ton won louisiana with 71 percent. that takes the delegate count to 1121 for clinton 429 for
sanders, 2,383 still needed to win the nomination. we are back now with the panel. this week the justice department granted immunity to brian tag le tagliono he set up clinton's private e-mail server. here's what ted cruz had to say about that. >> i think it is an ominous development for hillary clinton. when polly flips and goes to the feds, it ain't good for pat t-- fatone knee. >> i love political discourse. oolt oo you are our legal analyst on this panel. how big a deal is this grant of criminal immunity for this guy who set up her server? to what degree does that show clinton has legal exposure here? criminal legal exposure? >> i don't often agree with ted cruz but i think in his own colorful way he summarized it pretty well.
if the fbi were not worried or serious or didn't think there was much of a case they wouldn't have put all of the effort into striking the agreement with brian pagliano to find out what he knows. he has his hand on the scene with the setup of the server, et cetera, et cetera. it tells me they are mounting a real investigation that they are concerned there was some kind of criminal activity if not by hillary herself but by some of the closest aids which would almost be as bad for her. it reconfirms the situation we have known all along. she has this cloud over her head. it is not a safe situation to be in as a presidential nominee. >> you talk about the justice secretary view it is not a criminal investigation. you don't give immunity to somebody from criminal prosecution unless it is -- not saying it's going to happen but it is out there. >> he of course had taken the fifth on the hill. he himself feared some criminal
exposure which is revealing in itself. >> we got this on facebook. he writes what is going to be the process to get a new democratic nominee when clinton is indicted and forced out? it is jumping the gun a little bit here but is there any talk in the white house about a worse case scenario if she gets indicted either before or after her nomination? >> there is a lot of active talk about that scenario. the white house has really come down on the side of hillary clinton. they think she handled the situation, they think it is a mistake for the private server at the house. the president of the united states has said there's nothing that is going to come out in the investigation that will prove to be criminal. i think the bigger question for hillary is she has gotten a free pass in the democratic primary on this issue. bernie sanders stood down. she will not get a free pass in
a general election. if you have an answer that has evolved for several months she doesn't have a good answer. she has apologized and walked the apology back. she is walking a tight rope she hasn't had since the -- >> no plan b out there nobody suggesting well, what if? >> i haven't heard any active talk about that let's talk about what if the general election ends up as trump verses clinton? ted cruz made a big deal about this. hillary clinton may have his problems but ted cruz has his problems he has a sil suit against trump university. trump gave a lot of money to clinton in 2008. how much of a problem is that for trump? >> it won't be during the primary and less in the election.
it will help donald trump jump back to the middle in a way to get moderate votes. people haven't talked about that yet. if that hasn't snung in the republican primary it won't in the general. >> there were moments in the debate when trump seems to be already pivoting a little bit to a general election strategy. he says strategy. he says the abortion aspect is over the line, but planned parenthood does a lot of good things for women. he talks about being flexible in immigration. are you interested in that? you must see that pivot as at least leaving the door open. >> absolutely. also, i think he will be somebody, his positions during the republican primary have been hard to pin down. it may alienate some folks to
the right. >> george, short of the legal problems with her server, with the e-mail, handling of classified information is there anything in, a practical sense that can stop hillary clinton from getting the democratic nomination? >> i don't think so. but look what mr. sanders is doing. he's running a campaign to refute his own premise. his premise is big money is dominating. he can lose and lose and live off the land but he's going to continue this in this protracted struggle, it can be called, we're either going to see her become a better candidate, through practice, or, we're going to find out that the more people see her, the more they don't really like her. >> and the other thing, george, that sanders is doing in a subtle way is sowing the seeds
of the trump campaign against hillary. he's pounding the message about the iraq war, pounding the message about trade, about all of the things that went on with nafta and china during the clinton administration. and all of those things are themes that trump has been hammering and can pick up in states like michigan and ohio. >> i believe if it's trump against hillary, he will run to her left to scoop up the disaffected. >> populist message that the game is rigged and i understand capitalism, and i can fix it. >> as long as we're jumping ahead, and let's go ahead with the fall both clinton and trump have very high unfavorable numbers. more people dislike them than
like them. does that mean we would be looking forward to a negative campaign in which each side would try to convince you, you hate the other guy more than you hate us? >> yes. i think you will see a fairly negative campaign at some point. those people will want to vote for some of them but those people are well known and it is going to be a negative campaign. i think because of that, each candidate is going to try to move up as much as they can. >> i think when you talk about base turnout elections you're talking about a different scenario than when both sides are fighting for a middle of independent voters where you have to moderate and have crossover appeal. and donald trump is going to look, if he is the nominee, to turn out some of these disaffected sanders voted. if ted cruz is the nominee, he's going to look to turn out conservative white voters. this is going to have to be both
parties pulling towards their base. >> the anti-washington message works well against hillary. >> just quickly. 30 seconds left. there has been talk, because the country is obviously turning to more people of color, more minorities that trump's chance would be he'd have to get a super turnout from whites and white men. >> that is right. he'd have to do a lot better with minorities than he's doing now. >> just saying it sounds like a november in which both major parties are telling voters what to fear on the other side. >> man. that is an inspiriting way to end this discussion. up next, hair cuts, insults, babies as we go on the trail. incredible bladder protection from always discreet
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>> if donald isn't the nominee in all likelihood, hillary becomes the next president of the united states. >> hello, gophers, i hope you will go for me. >> i want us to be a country where we're reaching out to one another again. >> what this campaign is about is saying do you know what? we can create the nati we want to become. >> if we republicans choose donald trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe, prosperous future are greatly diminished. >> he failed miserably and it was an embarrassment to everybody, including the republican party. >> this is not a game. i know what's happening on the economy. you don't know. >> well, then, answer the economy question. >> you haven't exploited your life once. you're the one.
you're the one. let me just say, i have given my answer. >> i'm the last governor standing and we're the little engine can. >> lying ted and little marco. this is not presidential material, folks, believe me. >> if you don't want donald to be our nominee, then, i ask you, join us. >> anger and fear is not a plan. it's a feeling. you can use it to motivate you to take action. but it, by itself will not solve our problems. >> this is politics, right? next week, the stakes get bigger, next week, with republican primaries that are winner take all, now, for this program note, be sure to tune in special report tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern for a town hall in detroit with hillary
clinton and bernie sanders. it's clinton's first appearance on fox news in two years. that is it for today, have a great week, we'll see you next fox news sunday. >> fox news alert with first pictures coming into fox report as we pick up the coverage from earlier today. the loss of our nation's former first lady, nancy reagan. this is the hearstçó arriving ia funeral home in santa monica, california in the past hour from the reagan home in bell air, california. mrs. reagan, the wife of america's 40th president died today from heart failure, she was 94. their marriage described as the greatest love affair in the history of the american presidency. people are leavingçó flowers outside of the reagan california. mrs. reagan was known as a fierce