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nice to you have along and we can continue the conversation on twitter. we will see you on sunday at 11:00 and 5:00 eastern with the latest buzz. >> i am chris wallace. europe's move wanted man is captured alive. what will they tell authorities about isis plots again the west? we will have a report from europe and ask white house chief of staff what the arrest means for the united states war on terror. >> then, the show down over the president's supreme court nominee. >> i have fulfilled my constitutional duty. now it is time for the senate to do theirs. >> this nominee is not considered. >> senate majority leader said judge america summer will not get a hearing or a vote. but the white house argues that the senate should do its job not wait physical after the election.
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>> today, there is a face off on fox news sunday. governor john kasich wins the home state of ohio and vows to press on in the campaign for president. >> better believe it is about america, about pulling us toll not pulling us apart. >> we will ask the g.o.p. candidate his position to the nomination amid talks of a contested convention and ask our sunday pan will about the republican's plan to stop trump and our power players of the week, baby bald eagles steal the spotlight all right now on fox news sunday. >> we begin with the cap door does questioning of the most wanted man in europe, slaw believed the only fugitive from paris massacre that killed 130 people.
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we will get reaction on that and other big news this week including the supreme court nomination, and senate majority leader mcconnell is standing by on that but we we have the late on the terror investigation. >> yes, salah abdeslam could be a goal mine and french and belgium authorities will look closely at what happened in the lead up. but, also, how he evaded capture for so long hidden under their noses. a bullet to the knee ended his four months on the run on friday can he and four others were arrested and he is charged with participation in a terrorist murder, france quickly issued a new arrest warrant with more charges to speech up the extradition but it could take three months. investigators hope that salah abdeslam will reveal information about the network, confessing to the prosecutors that he planned to blow himself up that night
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but he changed his mind. prosecutors claim that leading up to the take he traveled around europe picking up other attackers and he made the explosives. the lawyers said he would cooperate. >> there is cooperation with the belgium justice. we will go further with that collaboration it is important he talk with the judge. >> he was caught just 500 yards from his parents' home where he grew up tracked down when a friend called the police and passed on the cell phone number he used and the belgium minister said he was shocked at the level of report he received, higher than expected and now the hunt is on for anyone else who may still want to commit attacks. chris? >> thank you from london, benjamin hall. now reaction from white house chief of staff, welcome back, to
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fox news sunday. >> what's the significance of abdeslam's capture? what does it help us do in temperatures of stopping future isis attacks? >> it is important because it send as strong message that our allies and we, will not stop until we get all of the fact of the case figured out and i know this will bance intensive process to figure out what he knows and what he did and what he knows about what others are doing so that is why it is important to dig hard into the case and why the president called the french president and belgium prime minister on friday to commend them for the good work. >> what have we heard from europe and the authorities. we know he has said some things but do we know if he is cooperating? the degree of the cooperation? and with about an electronic trail through cell phones or other devices? >> request have news on that but people are looking at that closely in europe and i am sure
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we will hear about that in the days and weeks to come. >> what did we learn from this and the prior investigation the last fur months about the state department of the isis network in europe how many operatives they have, how extensionive it is? >> we enjoy that they say and we have to listen to what they say, they intend to do this again. we are trying to drew a lesson from what happened on that night in paris and make sure that our friends are ready and they are well train asked we are sharing the kind of intelligence and training with them we can and that is what we are doing. >> do we believe the attack on paris that he was involved in that it was directed and planned by isis central in the pulled east or do we thing it was inspired and self radicalized people were involved? >> we believe that there are indications that, nbc, it goes back to some of the folks back in the middle east but we will get to the bottom the story. what we will not did is let other guard down.
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thatten intos, obviously, staying on offense against isil in syria and iraq why we have done that over the course of the last many months. we will toen to did that, chris, because we will not sit we will do this. >> i ask you to stand by. the other big news is the president's pick for the security judge merrick garland with senate republicans vowing not to hold hearings or vote on the nomination and let the next president fill the seat. we get the reaction in a moment, but, first, senate majority leader mcconnell gyps me from louisville. a half ofs do senators is said they will meet with merrick garland and late this week, illinois senator kirk said "just man up and cast a vote." it has been only four days and it seems line your ranks are breaking, sir. >> well, senator kirk is a trick senator running for re-election
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this year and he is going to be re-elected in november. what we need to focus on is the principle, the principle, who ought to make the appointment? you have to go back 80 years to find the last time a vacancy created in an election year was filled, become to 1888 when cleveland was in the white house to find the last time when a vacancy was created in a presidential area a senate controlled by the party honest the party confirmed. the senate has a relative to play here. the president nominates, we decide to confirm. we thing the important principle in the middle of the presidential election that the american people need to weigh in and decide who is going to make this decision. not this lame duck president on the way out the door but the next president, next year. >> you are talking about principle and figure that happens in washington involves principle and politics and what
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we see with mark kirk is a senator, republican senator, up in a tough reelection battle and thing this is a hard line to hold. i have to ask you, is this a hard argument to make over the next 15 months if you are saying that the president cannot decide something, cannot get his nominee confirmed because it is an election year, couldn't you say the same thing about the united states senate you should not pass any laws or do anything because in a sense you are a lame duck congress? >> no, you should not. we are following the paiden rule, when three was change of the jack jack in 1992, presidential election year, he said the senate should not act on filling a supreme court vacancy if it had occurred that year. harry reid when he was become if 2005 said the president nominates but the senate accident have to vote. chuck schumer, the next democratic leader said they would not confirm, the democrats were in the majority in the senate and they would not confirm a bush appointment to
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the supreme court if one occurred 18 months of a presidential election. all we are doing, chris, is following a long-standing tradition of not filling vacancies on the supreme court in the middle of a presidential election year. >> i. ask about the biden rule in a moment, but, frankly, isn't there a fair amount of hypocrisy on both sides here? right now, president obama is calling for an up-or-down vote on his nominee and you oppose that but back in 2005 when george w. bush was president you made exact the victim argument that president obama is making now. take a listen. >> in a democracy an up-or-down vote should be given to a president's judicial nominees, it is not complicated, it is simple, it is fair, it worked for 229 years. it has served us well. >> senator, if an up-or-down vote for judicial nominee is
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simple and pair and principle serving for 229 years now 230 years, if that is true then, is it still true? >> we were talking about apples and oranges that because not in connection with the supreme court vacancy, what we are talking about here, here is the factual situation. >> but it is a judicial nominee. >> they are not the same. the supreme court is very different from the other courts. what we are talking about here is a security vacancy in the middle of a presidential election year made by a lame duck president who is open way out the door. the impact that will have on this court for the next carter of a century. that is the issue before us right now. >> some of your republican colleagues are suggesting that if your side, if the going loses the election in november perhaps they would consider judge merrick garland in a lame duck session because he could be more moderate than, say, hillary clinton's nominee. here is republican senator jeff
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flake? republicans are fully justified in doing with we are doing, waiting. but if we happen to lose the election we we ought to push him through quickly, if we can. >> senator, is jeff flake wrong? >> i think so. look, president obama calling this judge a moderate does not make him a moderate. this judge would move the court dramatically to the left. he is enthusely supported by www. moveonorg. i don't thing they would be enthusiastic about a liberal judge. the principle is the same whether it is before or after the election, the principle is, the membership are choosing their next president and their next president should pick this supreme court nominee >> final question you are saying no consideration of judge merrick garland by this conditioning even if hillary
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clinton wins the election, no consideration by this conditioning you are going to stand firm on that even in a lame duck session? >> i cannot imagine a republican majority in the united states senate with want to confirm in a lame duck session a nominee opposed by the national rifle association, the national federation of independent business that. s small businesses that have never taken a position on a supreme court appointment before, they are opposed to this guy i cannot imagine that a republican majority senate even if it were soon-to-be a minority would want to confirm a judge that would move the court dramatically to the left. that is nature going to happen. >> senator mcconnell thank you for your time. >> now, bringing back the white house chief of surface mcdonough. sir, president obama is calling now for an up-or-down vote on the nomination of merrick garland but back in 2006 senator
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obama participated in a filibuster of alito's nomination blocking an up-or-down vote and back in 1992, joe biden when he was the chairman of the senate judiciary committee said the senate should not consider a supreme court nomination in an election year. listen. >> the senate judiciary committee should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until after the mill campaign season is over. >> question, aren't obama and biden making exactly the opposite at if you from what they made back then? >> you said alito, you mean justice alito who has been sitting on the supreme court for ten-years? >> obama tried to filibuster him to justice alito has been on the court for a decade he did not object to a hague or private meetings or a vote including in the committee and, ultimately on the floor of the senate. >> when you think of vice
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president biden, and the role he played as chairman of the senate judiciary committee, nine supreme court justices came before him when he was chairman and everyone was given a hearing be meeting, a vote, and ever when there were not enough votes in the committee to pass him, the justice with the majority vote, they still went to the senate floor for a vote of the full senate. that is what we thing should happen here. >> but, a lost those things happened either in spite of or over their opposition. >> on the contrary he was chairman of the judiciary committee. things do not happen in the judiciary committee over or in spite of the objection of the chairman. it happens because the chairman makes it happen. vice president biden sured that everyone of those justices had a hearing including by the way, in 1988 an election year when president reagan proposed the republican proposed to the democrat senate, justice kennedy now on the court since 1988, was
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passed overwhelmingly and anyonely by the senate. we thing the same thing should happen for judge merrick garland. >> do you think the senate has a constitutional obligation to take this up to vote? >> we thing it is quite clear in the constitution when there is a vacancy the president proposes the nominee and we think that has been the practice for decades. in fact, centuries in the senate, advice and con superintendent means meeting, public hearings, where judge is willing to go under oath on national television and happy the questions and a vote in the committee and in the senate that is what should happen here. >> but the "washington post" did a fact check and they gave that idea that there is a constitutional obligation three pin oakees saying there is nothing about a vote but advice and concept before a confirmation. and, second, this has been a long history mostly in the 19th century that the senate has decided tut to act if a number of cases. >> look, chris, we don't need to
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jump back to the 19th century to the 183030s, right? we are in the 21st century look at precedent of the last many decades and as the case with vice president biden chairman of the committee, every nominee got a hearing, got a meeting, got a vote in committee and on the floor. this is naughty. this is the way it is operating in the senate. and they ought not reach back to the precedence of the 18300s. >> as we discussed with senator mcconnell several republican senators are say they are willing to work to most with judge merrick garland and illinois senator kirk is say they should man up and vote. how big an issue can you make this in the november election? how much heat do you think you can put on senate republicans? we don't think this is a washington issue but it is a trait up governing issue. this is --. >> wait, wait, wait, the president, you are all meeting
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and mobilizing various groups on your side, and nothing wrong with it be political issue. you are trying to put heat on these people. >> you asked how big an issue it is in the election and my answer is, it need not be an issue. this committee resolved the average time from announcement of nomination to confirmation is 67 days. we do feel good about the progress and senator collins has said she will meet --. >> from maine, republican of me. >> has indicated she will meet with judge merrick garland after the senate gets back early in the week they get back. we think that is good progress and we will continue to make that progress and, again, this need not be an issue in an election they can resolve it in plenty of time. next, we believe this is consist went the pledges senator mcconnell made when he said he wanted to get congress working. well, getting congress working means that obviously giving him a hearing, a vote, and getting this done. not taking this unprecedented
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step. >> a final question, some republican senators are saying if the democrats end up winning the white house if november, say it is hillary clinton, then maybe we will consider judge merrick garland in a lame duck session. has the president made a commitment to merrick garland he will stand by the nomination or might if he hillary clinton wins, pull the nomination and let per hick? >> the president will stand by the nominee unbelievably qualified and decent man would comes to this nomination with more federal court experience than any nominee before him. he led our effort into the investigation and prosecution of oklahoma city bombing and the unabomber and as you have seen an extraordinarily decent man. we will stand by him from now until he is confirmed and sitting on the supreme court. >> through the end of the president's term. >> correct. >> thank you. thanks for coming in today. always if to talk with you.
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>> to be worthy of the trust you have to be faithful to the constitution and statutes passed by the congress and put aside personal view or preferences and follow the law. not make it. >> merrick garland chief judge for the united states court of appeals in washington, dc,
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speaking at the white house after president obama nominates him to the supreme court. time now for our sunday group columnist george will, and lisa lerer for the associated press, and conservative pollster, kristen soltis anderson, and bob woodward of the "washington post". george, your thoughts of the merrick garland nomination and the stand that republicans are taking in the senate, no confirmation hearing. >> the republicans have two reasons for taking the position. one, to demonstrate to the republican face something they doubt, which is that there is a republican to want the republicans to control the senate. they cannot de-fund planned parenthood, they cannot repeal obamacare or prevent the reauthorization of the export and import bank but they can stand up and say we can do something. second, this is a way, they say, of protesting executive overreach by the president. although this is a clear constitutional right and duty of
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the president to nominate people to the judiciary. what is puzzling is the republican senate leaders saying this have all said of course they will support donald trump if he is the party nominee but they are content to have judicial nominations made by donald trump whose qualifies are somewhat foggy and it is puzzling to hear my friend mcconnell saying, that we must follow the biden rule, endorsed with equal of hear saying no confirmations during a political season. when are we not in a political season? it is not an election year, by what principle do we decide when a president's ability to nominate people becomes less? after midterm election? the second term? when is it? i don't understand. >> we asked you for questions
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for the panel and following up on the point that george made, we got this from rob tweeting "will senate majority leader mitch mcconnell keep his word or fold like he usually does." i pick up on this question of trying to keep faith with the base, at a time when grass root support for the republican leadership here in washington, dc, is at an all time low and you can see it in the election how little they trust the washington, dc, establishment, will stand up for them, is this an effective way for mcconnell to mobilize the base? we are seeing the first crack with mark kirk, can he keep the soldiers if line? >> mitch mcconnell came the strategy the day the vacancy came open. he knew if there was a hint it would be something where senate republicans could entertain the president's nominee and allow the court to move to the left there would be outrage so he wanted to shut it down right
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away. look at the members of the senate who are saying, i am willing to have a meeting with the nominee, republicans who are up for re-election and they are in seats where it is a blue or a purple state. they are states unlikely to vote for a republican nominee in a presidential election and they need to make them different from the national party so when their state is voting for a democratic candidate at top of the ticket, they want to be sent back to washington. >> bob be i thought the white house chief of staff made news going further than the white house, mcdonough saying obama will stick by the merrick garland nomination even if a lame duck if hillary clinton is elected he would stick by the only nation interesting he is saying, i will stay by him and if hillary clinton is just elected, if they want to confirm my nominee, so be it. >> it is confusing to people
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because this is all about politics. this is pure politics. on both sides. as you pointed out,ly pock kress on both sides. >> both is argued the open side. >> exactly. what mcconnell, the senate majority leader is saying look, in the advise and concept provision in the constitution we can do it anyway we want. he is actually quite right, there is nothing in the constitution that said you have to do it in a timely fashion. this is is whether you can make the courts a majority liberal bed. everyone can concedes if america manager goes open court you are going to have five votes on the liberal side. what is interesting and george has pointed this out, garland is
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an extraordinary judge. he is someone -- i did a book years ago on the supreme court and tried to follow it sense and he is exactly the sort of person that should be on the court. he is reasonable. he listens. he is not partisan. >> wait a minute. you know what a lot of people will say when it comes down to a decision and it is 5-4 he will end up being with the liberal judges opposed to the conservative. >> you he will, but step become this are liberals and conservatives on the court and if you have liberals, have a sensible rational person. a last people said about scalia, they did not agree with him but, gee he served an important function on the court and that is the way it works. you have to be a consensus building and america manager is like that. i don't think he will make it, i don't think he will be confirmed >> lisa, picking up on this from
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the political side on the democratic side, they clearly feel this argument, do your job, you are there, you are there for another eight months or whatever it is, and the idea that you are simply going to refuse to have a hague, refuse to vote, when you talk to bernie sanders and hillary clinton camps do they think this is effectivest do they think it will move votes? >> what is interesting to hear mcdonough say it is not an election year issue but that is not how bernie sanders and hick see it they think it is effective. they will rally the base and pull over independents and they think this can allow both and it is a strong motivation for the democrats particularly african members who are viewing this republican opposition to the president through a racial lens and they think if trump is at the to which republican ticket, they could be able to pull over some moderate republicans who may not like the idea of donald trump picking the ex supreme
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court justice particularly as democrats like to point out, he would be an excellent justice and she has a record of being pro abortion rights so they think this is an area where they can make a strong mill argument and the politics get more complicated when you get into a lame duck session because merrick garland is not the nominee that hillary clinton would like to choose. >> a lost liberal groups feel they would like someone more liberal. that is why they are focusing on the need for a vote and not talking abut the nominee and not saying whether they would renominate him if either hillary clinton or bernie sanders wins. >> george, in the meant we have left, what abut the lame duck situation that hick leg wins or donald trump wins and some of the republicans say, merrick garland doesn't look like such a bad nominee? >> if president cruz is president elect, the choice is
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clear you make for him. if donald trump is the president elect, i don't know how you guess who he might want to put open court but suppose in the morning after the election it is president elect hillary clinton and the president comes out and said i know what mcdonough said, but let's adhere to the freshly minted mcconnell rule which is that nominees should be sent up by a president after the people have spoken and the people have said hillary clinton and she said, fine, with draw meg america and appoint a 43-year-old, not a 63-year-old, a 43-year-old fire brand and it would serve the republicans right. >> we have to take a break. see you later, next governor john kasich is hanging his hopes on a contested convention and we will ask about the path to the nomination and what do you think? would an open convention divide the republican party?
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>> a look outside the beltway at salt lake city ahead of the caucuses. governor john kasich won his home state of ohio on tuesday and although it is the only victory he said that is enough to keep him in the race for president. earlier i spoke with kasich campaigning in utah. >> governor, we will start with your strategy to win the republican nomination, right now, donald trump has 678 degrees and ted cruz has 423 and you have 143. even if you win every one of the remaining delegates, sun% you would be short of the majority you need, so what is your path? how does the republican convention end up turning to
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you? >> well, first of all, no one is going to have enough delegates. we are going to go to a convention and it is beginning to be open. let me also tell you that for the first time in this race in the last 2 1/2 or three weeks, i have received more national media attention in the last three week than in the last six months. we are rising, our rallies are strong, and we are raising money, and we are bringing more people in to our effort. we are going to get to the convention and i have been to a convention that was contested in 1976 as a young guy and let me tell you when you get to the convention this are two considerations: one, who can win in the fall? i'm the only one that can win in the fall. and, two, a crazy issue, but who is actually mobile to be president of the united states? that matters, too, the convention is nothing more than an extensive of the political process and i am very comfortable with heading to the convention with momentum and more delegates and we let the
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people there make the choice. >> if step one is to stop trump some question why you campaign in utah because the fact is, if ted cruz were to win 50% of the vote he would get all of the delegates but you campaigning they are submitting the anti-trump vote. romney said he will vote for ted cruz a vote for governor kasich makes it likely that trumpism would prevail. your response, sir? >> i don't agree and people tried to get me out of the race and said marco rubio should be the pick and if i did not stay in the case and win in ohio trump would have won florida and ohio. i a not in this tory to step someone. i'm in this to tell people about my expense, my report, my vision, and my ability to bring people together. and to be a successful president
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of the united states. this is deteriorating into some a mill science class with a bunch of pundits trying to play par already game i am not interested that. my entire lifetime has been to bring about change. do you know how many people in the establishment i made angry when i reformed the pentagon or when i balanced the federal budget? do you know how many people in the establishment i got upset when i brought change in ohio? i am a change agent. what we are seeing is a last the establishment people, one more time, trying to stop me. i am interested in improving this country and being a good president and that is precisely why i am running. people are understanding my vision and my message because, finally, people are allow me to be her. >> i went to ask you abut being allowed to be heard. fox was to hold a debate tomorrow in sat lake city and
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trip said no and we ifing do hold it with you and ted cruz and you surprised a last people saying you with not participate in the debate including charles congratulate harp. here he is. >> he complained he is ignored and not getting enough time, whining about it again and again, he and ben carson and here he is offered we two hours, without the interruptions of trump, him and ted cruz and he could present the case and he turns it down. >> governor? >> i am disappointed to hear charles say that he said i was whining. "new york times" had a police the other day that shows that donald trump received 1.8 billion dollars worth of national need what attention and i was 10th. i am not going to a debate where we don't have everyone involved in the race involved in the debate. i am using my time to. can pain the most effective way i can. i have never thought these debates were the best way to pick a president. if someone weapons to sit down with me for an hour and interview me and ask me any
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question about my report, my policies, my form policy expense, my domestic policy expense, i aming. but i love charles krauthammer he is a good guy and maybe sometimes people just do not understand the way that i work in politics. i am not a plotter or schemer. i am a guy that looks at problems and tries to solve them which i have done all my career create jobs this washington and ohio. not me, but concreting an atmosphere and having the response to run this country. >> you have talked as you said about running a positive campaign and you have criticized donald trump for concreting a tax ice atmosphere when it comes to violence or speak in what you consider objectionable ways about women. what do you think of donald trump and the campaign he is running? >> look, i heard his family was threatened and that is disappointing.
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there is no place for that. i was disappointed to hear people were threatening that family, it is a disgrace. i have point out at time when i thought his language was inappropriate. like if why get nominated there is beginning to an riot. what kind of talk is that? i have to tell you, i have done more townhalls more interaction with voter than all of the candidates added toll, take quotes from the crowd and you follow it and at the end of day i rarely ever mention anyone's else name because i spend my time giving the answers about what i want to do and my vision and that is the way i perceive it. >> let me ask a specific question, i want to explore your position on people if this country it legally call them a critical part of our society and you have call them good people, fought criminals -- they are not criminals? >> ronald reagan tries to fix this in 1986 and it did not work
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because we did not finish the boarder. we need to finish the boarder. when it is finished people cannot sneak in. they should be sent home they sneak in. we should have a guest worker program and for 11.5 million people here illegally if they did not exit a crime since being here i would give a path to localization with a paying of fine and back taxes and delay in benefits but not a path to citizenship. my position has not changed. the idea we will go into communities and pull people out of their homes and leave their kids on the porch crying? that is not what we are doing that is more promises that will never happen and people will be more cynical. i don't make promises that i cannot weapon. i try to keep what i say and i am not deviating from this position. >> you know what cruz cause calls that, is amnesty? >> he can call it whatever he wants i am telling you my position and i believe that
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position will be except by the american people and can pass congress. i lay this out in every townhall meeting, if someone asked i tell them. >> in the 30 seconds left, what abut the argument that they broke the law, they came to the unemployment illegal and you let them be able to stay in the country despite that? >> chris, chris, i know that you don't believe we can go house-to-house and block the areas to ship them utah know that and the people know it. it is silly. i am in this race to try to fix things not to go out and make crazy promises that will further aggravate the american people. look, people do not like that position, that is okay. i am cool bit. but i will a not change my position. it is reasonable and i think the problem is fixable. i believe it. reagan tried. i will finish the job.
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thank you, always good. >> thank you, it was fun. >> it was fun. next, we will bring become the panel to discuss republican party stop trump movement. is it too little, too late? (vo) my name's nick
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>> protesters outside phoenix shut down a highway before donald trump event yesterday. we are back, now, with the panel there were protests yesterday not just in arizona but also in new york city outside the trump tower on fifth avenue. you can see the protests this. all of this, adding to concerns among the republican establishment and movement conservatives about donald trump actually winning the nomination. kristen, it seems each day there is a but story whether it is a bunch of fat cats having dinner at a club here or now a news story of a third party and follow coburn retired senator from oklahoma. how seriously is the stop trump movement? it may have run out type.
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the time last fall attacking donald trump the attacks fell flat. they do not love him because she a conservative and he is a winner. the add toot is over, if you like donald trump it is unlikely you will be persuaded to containing director minute. at this point, the math for anyone to stop donald trump before the convention becomes very hard the he will take up delegates in arizona and move forward into new york where the last poll showed hill up 50 points. it will be very difficult for folks to step him at least from winning the republican nomination. >> do you grow, bob? >> yes. first of all, if you try to ask indicate this you realize that the only way for trump probably not to get the nomination is for him to with draw. and that is not going to happen. if this is one thing trump does
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he never quits. he is the heavy in this.this. and there's something that he's brought forth in the populous that those of us who try to understand this don't understand. >>ives going to ask you about that. you'vet covered a lot of campaigns and candidates. can you put this in any kind of historical perspective? do you compare it to -- some people are saying richard nixon in '68 with the silent majority. george wallace in '68. what do you compare trump to? >> you can't compare him to anything. i think there are people out there who. just kind of say lets repot the plant. let's give somebody else a chance. it's not just anger or disappointment. it's a sense of let's shake this up. and no one is shaking it up as much as trump.
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>> george? >>ic stylistically, trump is in the george wallace tradition. wallace famously said there's too much dignity in american politics, we have to have more meanness. wallace got 46 electoral votes. the problem is this. not only are his negatives 61%, almost doubled his positives, 32%. but he's appealing entirely to white people. now, in 1988, george herbert walker bush got 59% of the white vote, which was high. thatat translated into 426 electoral votes. mitt romney in 2012 got 59% of the white vote. that translated into 206 electoral votes. romney got 17%. that's all. of the non-white vote. trump by every measure would do worse than that, which means he would have to get not just the 65% of the white vote to win,
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that0% ronald reagan got, sweepg 49 states. he would havea, to get 70% of t white vote. a, it won't happen. and b, it would destroy the republican party by making it the party of white people. c >> now, i'm sure that the clinton camp and the sanders camp, they look at exactly that same demographics and basically say the country, the demographic face of the country is changing. on the other hand, you do hear talk about trump reshuffles the electoral deck, that suddenly the rust belt, the industrial midwest, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin,go states that have ge reliab reliably, would be in play. >> smart democrats, the ones i'm talking to, are not overly confident about this. in part, it's because trump is so wildly unpredictable. like yes, they agree on the demographics point. they're going to try to boost support among african-american supporters, among women. but, you know, with trump, he
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had -- the republicans had obviously a lot of trouble taking himth out. and you just don't know what you're going to get. he doesn't play by the standard rules.ra so that makes a lot of democrats a little nervous, particularly given that hillary clinton by her own admission is not the world's bestal campaigner. but their case is basically three cs. credentials, character, and controversy. so they're digging through his business records. they're going to highlight deals badly.nt they're going to bring back his statements about latinos and women, all those kinds of things, and they're going to talk about his temperament. is this someone you want with your finger on the button, as a way of pulling over moderate democrats. particularly suburban women in some of these swing states that could make the difference for them in the general election. >> it's important that the people and the clinton campaign, and as you called smart democrats, are worried. and, you know, this is serious. and from a polling perspective, almost half theis people don't vote, right?
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and trump is getting some of those people. are there good numbers on that? because that's maybe why people worry. >> in addition, let's face it, if trump is a target-rich environment, so is hillary clinton. and lord knowsas there's plentyf research to be done. i want to ask one more thing here. trump is going to be in washington tomorrow. he's going to meet with apac, the pro-israeli lobby, but he's also going to have a meeting with a a lot of mainstream republicans. how possible is it that he could, having taken the stance to get this far in the primaries, change his tune -- i mean, not change it completely, but become a much more mainstream figure, and somehow make an accommodation with the establishment? >> i believe there are many in the gop establishment who will want to co-opt donald trump, find a way to make peace with him, find a way that they can still show their face at a republican convention, that it's nominating and call themselves republicans, get through the next couple of months. but i think there's going to be a big division, where folks that
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consider themselves hardcore conservatives who care deeply about things like limited government, who oppose someone who supports an authoritarian, very troubled by them. might say if he defines what it is to be a republican, maybe i'm not anymore. >> rgeorge? >> in this kind of party, it's a big tent. to expand, to include through november? >> it cannot expand that far and remain a conservative party. which means if he's the nominee, there will be no conservative running in the race. and the vichy republicans, who aree coming to terms as collaborators with the takeover of their party, you have to understand that. >> do you see a third party under those circumstances? >> possibly. >> are you going lead the ticket? >> no. i would vote for it. >> you would vote for it? >> certainly. >> all right. i think we made some news ourselves. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. up next, our power players of
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one egg. and friday, just after 8:00 in the morning, a fuzzy wing flopped out, and d.c. had its latest star. the eaglet, named dc-2, was quiet at first but quickly pepped up. the proud parents nicknamed mr. president and the first lady, first nested there in 2014 when they gave birth to one eaglet. they take turns, one monitoring the nest while the other ska scavenges for food. the eagle cam is getting millions of clicks. and on this first day of spring, we have a big happy announcement. the second baby eaglet was born this morning. forget march madness and check out the eagle cam link on our website, foxnewssunday.com. and now this program note. be sure to watch fox news channel tomorrow night for a must-see primetime lineup. interviews with all three republican presidential candidates, starting at 6:00 p.m. eastern. and that's it for today.
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have a great week. and we'll see you next "fox news sunday." president obama walking the streets of havana, the first american president to visit cuba since calvin coolidge went there in 1928. this is the next chapter in what the obama administration started about a year ago. some controversy over it. and arguably, a part of the president's legacy he wants to shore up before he leaves office. restoring diplomatic ties between the u.s. and cuba. he's only been on the ground there a few hours, and in that time, he and the first family, as you see here, have been on a walking tour of the historic old havana, a world heritage site. and so on the trip, it's him, first lady michelle obama, their two daughters, malia and sasha, and what is being described as a rather l

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