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liberty mutual insurance. heather: we will see you back here in an hour. jon: "outnumbered" starts right now. ♪ ♪ andrea: this is outnumbered, and here with us today, sandra smith, co-host of after the bell on fox business, melissa francis, former national security council member and veteran of both the bush and obama administrations, gillian with turner, is back. and today's #oneluckyguy, one of our favorites -- [laughter] >> whoo! >> fox news legal analyst and the president of the brooklyn bar association, is this a new bio title, mr. arthur aidala, who is now outnumbered? >> i have 60 days left as the president, and i'm really proud of what i accomplished over the
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last, whatever, ten months. and i'm like, you know what? i'm just going to let people know that's what i'm doing. i lead 2,000 lawyers. it's a very cool experience. andrea: that is very, very cool. >> i hope you're proud of me, andrea, because i live life to make you proud of me. andrea: if we could just get you to come occupant of your -- out of your shell. don't be shy now. >> oh, my goodness. andrea: donald trump holding a meeting with rnc chair reince priebus yesterday just days after he backed out of a pledge to support the eventual nominee and came under fire for comments he made about women who have abortions. trump telling "the o'reilly factor" he's all about bringing the party together. >> it was a very good meeting, we met with reince priebus and the staff, and they're very good people, very -- actually, a terrific meeting, i think x. it's really a unity meeting, you know?
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we're leading by a lot, we have far and away the most delegates, millions and millions of votes more than anybody else, than ted has or than, you know, kasich has. it's been about unity. i get along with people very well, so we had a very, we had a very good, we had a very good meeting with the rnc. andrea: in the meantime, rnc chair reince priebus saying he's confident the candidates will stick to their pledge to support the nominee. >> i'm not in regard to supporting the eventual nominee or the party. they've all agreed to that by virtue of, in one case, signing a data agreement. they're not going to get the data and the tools of the rnc and run to be our nominee and tell me that they're not going to support the party. it doesn't work that way. andrea: well, speaking of data, we have some new data from fox business, polls that show donald trump could be fading in a state like wisconsin where voters head to the polls on tuesday. trump is now trailing ted cruz
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among likely republican primary voters by ten points. trump also railing the texas senator by 19 -- trailing the texas senator by 19 points among women, and that poll taken almost entirely before the comments he made about abortion. okay, mr. aidala, you're usually arguing in a courtroom, but you're going to fight us right here on set. >> okay. andrea: trump seems to be struggling after a series of missteps where he stuck his foot in his mouth. nurse, specifically on -- first, specifically on women, looking at a state like wisconsin where i think naturally a couple weeks or months ago you thought trump would be doing better at this point. but down ten points to ted cruz. does it speak to a candidate in trouble? >> so i think there's two things going on and, quite frankly, you would actually know more about this than i do because of your background. but in every campaign, candidates stumble. in every campaign they always have a down period. it's true in sports. it's very rare that the first place team stays in first place
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from one, from the beginning of the season to the end of the season. if i'm donald trump's team, i'm thinking if he's going to stumble, if he's going to have a hard time, let it be now, let it be on apriling 1st, let it be when we still have time to recover. he has the cushion of the delegate count. he may lose wisconsin, it may be a wake-up call and, you know what? in life everybody can use a wake-up call every once in a while. everyone can have their ego smacked around a little bit, and usually that makes you a better person. when you get knocked down and you have to pull yourself up off the canvas, it usually makes you a better boxer going forward. and in the best case scenario, that's what will happen with donald trump, in the best case scenario for him. andrea: best case scenario he does, sandra, retool, pull himself back up. but the numbers. even as arthur mentioned, he has the numbers with the delegates in the lead, and he could a afford to do not so well with wisconsin the way they divvy up their -- going into other states, like pennsylvania,
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specifically the numbers with females. the numbers of men that he would have to win to make up the number of females nationally, it's looking like that could be a really tough climb. sandra: yeah. a lot of it is his critics and his supporters are wondering where the strategy is to try to win over that female vote. we haven't seen him really change or target women in any new or specific way. that being said, i'll always be the first to say the economy and jobs is the number one issue for women. that being said, i just still wonder what was said in that meeting, because you look at two days prior to that meeting with the rnc and with reince priebus, and donald trump's exact words were i have been treated very unfairly, and he was referencing the rnc and the party establishment in general. then he walks out of there and says, well, that was so productive, and that was a terrific meeting. this was a unity meeting, we're all together on this. i mean, what happened in there that so drastically changed his outlook on his party? andrea: yeah. and when he walked out, reince
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priebus came back and said, look, he's got a math problem, and it isn't with us. but when donald trump says that he hasn't been treated fairly, melissa, does he have a point? melissa: well, he hasn't said it in the past. like sandra said, he really changed his tune, and maybe this was the kick in the pants that he needed. he is a marketing genius, we need to see some of that come alive if he wants to keep his place. look what he did with aipac, because this was an example of where he corrected course effectively. he had said early on he would be sitting down at the table, he walked into that hall, these are, you know, a very astute and critical group, looked at him. he delivered a speech that pleased, he hit all the right notes, he said there is no moral equivalency, you know, the president applies pressure to our friends and reward to our enmies. he had a speech at was well written, he knew he needed the perform, and he did it. this is another moment like that. he's going to need to correct course and get out there with some real help. from the look of that meeting, you're right, when he came out,
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it seems like he's changing course, but he's going to have to follow through. andrea: is it enough time to change course in a state like wisconsin where, again, you would think he would do well with that demographic. i mean, that's a state -- as you know, gillian -- scott walker, the governor, he did well. he was elected and reelected by taking on the unions, something that a republican governor had never done in a very purple state. this is a state that should appeal to donald trump. so why the ten-point drop? jill jill well, and also everybody likes to talk about his appeal among men without college education. here's a prime state for him x he's really primed to do well there, so it's very shocking. i think that the course correction here with the rnc is a little bit of what you ladies were talking about a moment ago which which is the diluted numbers with women, because we all know the republican party does very well amongst women of all ages, and i think this is a little bit of a come to mama moment here where he's being corralled and their correcting course, and it's kind of mutually beneficial at this
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point. >> just to answer the question of what could have happened in that meeting that changed the dialogue about how donald feels about the rnc, often when i have a case with a prosecutor and we're battling in the newspapers or even on the telephone, that dynamic changes dramatically when i go into their office, when i sit down with them and we're face to face. and i did it yesterday, and i bring my client in with me who's the real subject, and everybody gets humanized. the temperature just drops. and often i leave those meetings going in like these antagonistic battleships, and everyone's calmed down. so possibly -- and trump has that kind of charm that he could pull something like that off. andrea: not unlike your visits to "outnumbered" either. [laughter] >> thank you, andrea. andrea: in the meantime, if donald trump wins the republican nod, he'd be the least popular nominee in modern times according to a new washington post/abc news poll that shows his unfavorable rating at 67% making him more disliked than any major party nominee in the
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32 years the candidates have been tracked. he didn't do much better among republican-leaning groups. among all of those polled, a majority of them view him unfavorably. this as a group of establishment republicans are reportedly working on a last ditch nuclear option to prevent a trump presidency. according to the daily beast, if the billionaire businessman wins the nomination, they may run a third party alternative in a handful of critical swing states in the general election. now, they say that could block both trump and the democratic nominee from getting the necessary 270 electoral votes to claim the white house. now, in that case the house with a gop majority would vote for the united states president. melissa francis -- [laughter] how likely is this scenario? to me, it just seems not realistic at all and something that would just assure a president hillary clinton. melissa: no. i mean, this sounds like one of those crazy conspiracy theories
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that somebody floats to a reporter who's looking to get a bunch of clicks online or something, although i would say this was always my conspiracy theory -- with no backing, just on the fun side -- with michael bloomberg, was that he was somebody you throw out there, and he's basically a democrat anyway, and he kind of would shake the whole thing up. he'd take more away from hillary than anyone else, so i don't know. he always seemed like he was some random person that somebody could throw in at the -- >> he did agree with you, bloomberg. that's why he said he didn't run. melissa: the math on these thing, although you never know what he's really going to do. he's got time on his hands and money to burp. gillian: another wild carld in this race. melissa: yeah, that we needed anyway. if you look at wisconsin, the only person who's doing worse with women than donald trump is kasich. he's even lower. for the guy who's supposed to be the one that could really win the general and all these kind of things, when you look at that list that we showed at the top, donald trump is 27%, kasich has
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21. he's doing even worse with women. all these polls are kind of crazy, and the third person candidate -- andrea: and you've heard people say, well, hillary clinton has a problem with men, she's been able to reform her image too, arthur. even let's say if trump isn't able to reform his image, the establishment -- especially on the republican side -- still has a huge problem. they still have a problem on their hands where they are highly disliked by the gop electorate. >> and i think that's why they're in somewhat crisis mode. they have this hot potato called donald trump that when i sat here with you, andrea, i think it was in july or august, i was like in two weeks we won't even hear his name anymore -- andrea: and i said you were wrong. >> well, you always say i'm wrong, so that's nothing new. [laughter] they just don't know what to do. especially for young people, the gop is trying to capture and latinos which the gop is trying to capture, donald trump is far
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from the ideal candidate to be trying to get those two groups together. andrea: gillian, i want to go to this on this, because i cothink the re-- i do think the republican establishment has had a problem with women. i think that when bush was president, he did an excellent job with latinos, but i think you've seen the numbers especially with mitt romney didn't do very well with women, and they allowed the democrats to paint the gop wrongly as a party that was anti-women. so forget donald trump, i still think they have issues. melissa cited kasich, other candidates do not poll well with females. gillian: well, it's interesting you mentioned hillary clinton on the sort of female/male issue, and she was originally not doing very well among young men. now that's almost reversed, and her weakest demographic is women of many ages, and it's kind of this thorn in her side, you know, running on a platform of being a feminist, being very pro-women's reproductive rights and health issues, and so i think that it's interesting to see even when you have
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candidates who are advocating for sort of comprehensive women's rights, you're not always going to sort of itch -- scratch the itch, so to speak. and i don't know what the republicans are going to do to regain that footing in this cycle. it might be a little bit too late, unfortunately. melissa: i think when you look at the unfavorables, andrea, it's always important to point out that donald trump has energized a portion of the electorate that would never show up to vote in a gop primary. and i think that sometimes is forgotten when we're sitting here talking about possibly the establishment exercising this option to top him. andrew: which is why when you -- andrea: which is why when you look at the abortion question that could have actually galvanized some women, and then when he just missteps so grossly on the abortion question, you think, god, how could you make such an error? all right, well, just days before the wisconsin primary, a new poll shows hillary clinton losing to bernie sanders in the badger state.
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so should her team be worried? here we go. the race on the left. plus, the fbi and the attorney general intensifying their focus on the former secretary of sate's e-mail probe. what can we expect? we'll ask can our legal eagle on the couch, and will clinton be interviewed by the fbi, and what questions should they ask? ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ sandra: new troubles for hillary clinton just days before the wisconsin primary. live pictures of her here holding a round table on manufacturing. this is taking place in syracuse, new york. the latest fox business poll shows the former secretary of state losing by five points to bernie sanders. sanders getting 48% of support among democrats, clinton, 43%. this comes as the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails appears to be switching into high gear. fbi director james comey and attorney general loretta lynch reportedly meeting frequently about the case, discussing who to interview and in what order. a source close to the investigation referring to clinton saying in a case like this, you get a shot at the queen. the pressure is enormous on the agents as the case has to be airtight and perfect.
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[laughter] arthur, i wish we had somebody who knew the law on the couch. >> yeah, okay. so i do this all the time. i did it yesterday, as a matter of fact, having a potential witness, a target of an investigation interviewed. yes, the pressure's enormous on the agents, sandra, but nowhere near as it is on the person who's the subject of the investigation who's the person who could be going to jail. sandra: you say that, but she's already sat through hours of testimony. i mean, really. >> okay, trust me. when you're meeting with the head of the fbi, no matter who he is, and james comey by all accounts is a decent man, very even-keeled, but that's how martha stewart went to jail, that's how scooter libby -- gillian: has something not been asked that would result in a different answer? >> i don't know the answer to that question, but i'm going to tell you what's going to happen, okay? she's going to enter a room with her attorneys. there'll be agents there, and if
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it is comey or one of his top lieutenants or two or three of them. she'll be handed a proffer agreement which means what she says there cannot be used against her as evidence in chief against -- in her while. sandra: then what's the point? >> because they're going to give her the opportunity to explain things. they're going to say, madam secretary, look at this. this was on your server, we found that. how do you rectify this being here. it's an opportunity for her to explain away what they found in their evidence, in their investigation and to convince them, basically, why comey should not go to the, to loretta lynch and say we need to empanel a grand jury -- sandra: will we learn >> no, that'll be a secret meeting. gillian: i'd rather go up against jim comey any day than congressional leaders. i think that if she can withstand the assaults that went down with the senate intel, she's going to be -- we're not going to get anything new out of this. sandra: i want to get to you,
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melissa, because i want to ask you is she hitting a tipping point? she sort of lost it in this exchange with an activist, she was questioned about fossil fuel donations. you've got to see her response here. >> i have money from people -- i am so sick, i am so sick of the sanders campaign lying about this. gillian: -- melissa: i actually take that a different way. i think that's totally fake. i think everything about this campaign is contrived, and she was showing she has both the strength and the energy to be president because that's what trump keeps saying, that she doesn't have fight, she doesn't have strength, she doesn't have energy, that she's -- her health isn't well. so she sits there and goes at someone with her finger, and she looks finally like she might be tough. i think what's amazing about her numbers is that she's losing so heavily among younger people to bernie sanders. and part of that has to do with
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fight and passion, and that's what she's out there trying to demonstrate. the one who's losing it, actually, is bill clinton, because he brought up benghazi yesterday on the campaign trail for no apparent reason. i mean, he's the guy -- >> but -- andrea: i don't think it was con tried. i think that is her being so sick and tired of having to answer questions -- no, no, just actually having to run for president. she feels this is her turn, she knows this is going to be a coronation, why does she have to participate in these debates, sit do do manufacturing round tables and press the flesh and hold the babies -- gillian: this is year 12 for her. andrea: exactly. how dare you ask me a question, i'm above all this. just, please, place the crown on my head and roll out -- >> you're talking about placing the crown on your head, and i guess maybe because i'm too involved in this world, i've never heard of a person who's a front-runner to be the president of the united states who possibly is neating with the --
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meeting with the head of the fbi about a crime, a federal crime she's committed, and the held of the fbi is going to immediate with the attorney general to decide whether they're going to indict the person who's supposed to be president of the united states. that's a little crazy. andrea: it is. and democrats think it's fine. sandra: i think arthur's head almost exploded. [laughter] >> it would have been, although there's not that much between the ears. [laughter] sandra: a new report that security gaps were found in our country's massive visa system. and it isn't clear if the problem has actually been fixed. this as canada announces it's taking a lot more migrants. should we be worried? also, donald trump meeting with his foreign policy team after coming under fire for a number of controversial national security statements. what we could expect from trump as president and whether his ideas are too extreme or a step in the right direction. ♪ ♪ keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure
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♪ ♪ melissa: major new concerns about our national security. a report that a crucial state department database, which it uses to vet travelers to and from the u.s., has gaps in its security, gaps that some say could allow hackers and groups like isis to alter or steal visa information. abc news is reporting the gaps were discovered several months ago and that it's not clear if the state has plugged them. though defenders of the state department are downplaying the net, all of this coming as canada just announced it will accept an additional 10,000 syrian refugees, bringing the total to 35,000. gillian, i want to start with you about this database, because i'm a huge fan of the show "the americans" on f/x, this sounded exactly like it. their concern with what is called the consular consolidated database which has all kinds of biometric data is that other countries are looking for ways
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to plant spies in the u.s. so they want to get into this database so that they can send people here kind of like "the americans," to be spies. people in the state department saying they don't think it's been fixed? gillian: so here's what i think about this. i'm a victim of the attacks on the white house office of personnel management that leads to the chinese, virtually any information about people that worked there that you would ever want them to know, so i'm very sensitive to this, and i wanted to caveat what i'm going to say with this because i think often times on this issue when it comes to protecting the borders, when it comes to refugee policy we tend to undercut ourselves a little bit. i'm not defending any gaps in the state department list, they need to get that together, plug the gaps. but the reality is that this is nothing new. spies have for decades if not centuries been trying to penetrate this way. and i think we've done the -- law enforcement and intelligence communities overall have done a phenomenal job of protecting our
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borders, they have very easily the capacity to continue to allow refugees into this country and uphold our national security interests. i don't believe that we've got to choose. so i'm always of the position where i like to sort of calm people down a little bit on this issue, if that makes sense. we have not had a terrorist attack executed by a foreign terrorist organization on u.s. soil since 9/11. we have had terrorist-spined attacks and -- inspired attack, but no foreign organized and implemented attack on u.s. soil. and i think that we need to recognize that. melissa: andrea, except for how about san bernardino? visiting visas? gillian: not planned and executed by isis, but by people -- melissa: who should have been caught that they were coming in the country as radical extremists. gillian: they should have been caught, but i also don't think that's a reason to change the nature of, you know, to start vetting people based on their religion. melissa: i don't think that's what we're talking about. andrea: i don't either. gillian: when we talk about
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syrian and iraqi refugees, lately the dialogue is about should we or should we not allow muslims into the country. andrea: i completely disagree with you. the way that we fight terror has totally changed. it's not that you have to be part of that organization, but just be inspired and effectively wear the jersey which is what the tsarnaev brothers did and what they did in san bernardino, and the issue in canada is very scary. accepting 10,000 syrian refugees, we already know two iraqi refugees were arrested in texas and california a couple months ago plotting terrorist attacks on the united states of america. our own department of homeland security admits openly they cannot vet these -- gillian: but they were arrested. andrea: we have cities not only -- well, thank god they were arrested -- with canada and this open border, melissa, there's very little we can do if they're accepting refugees and we are accepting refugees, which the white house says that we are, there's very, very little we can do to prevent the problem
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of refugees coming in. it's very, very scary. sandra: do you have faith listening to john kirby speak on behalf of the state department, he says that we have been, we are working continuously to detect and close any possible vulnerability? i mean, this is a massive visa database. this makes us extremely vulnerable. i think for the average person they see this story, and they think is the state department on it? gillian: but look how many people we arrest, look how many attacks we prevent. i think a little bit is misleading because we don't see the attacks that are prevented, we don't see the dozens every single day of terrorist attacks that are plotted here and don't get executed. how many people we arrest at our borders when they're trying to leave the country, enter the country -- melissa: i think in the case of san bernardino, you see there were red flags ahead of time, things they had posted, messages sent. it seemed like it wasn't based on religion, it was based on things that especially she had
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done in the past that should have been caught and were missed. i think that's what makes people nervous. gillian: there's never going to be a way to preemptively stop every lone wolf, excuse me, meaning people who are randomly inspired by isis and radicalized in their basements. you're just not unless we adopt a kind of, unless we have a communist government, right? we're not going to be able to do that. so i think we have to be careful to not overly thinking matize people -- stigmatize people and overly close our borders off prematurely, because it's a very important part of being american, i think. >> you know, this was gillian's -- this is what you do. i defer to the greatness. gillian: no, you know, we're just -- >> i defer to the greatness. [laughter] andrea: okay. in addition to the meeting donald trump had with the rnc yesterday, the gop front-runner also meeting with his foreign policy team after a series of recent national security statements that have drawn heavy criticism such as declairing
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nato obsolete -- declaring nato obsolete, saying saudi arabia is too dependent on the united states, saying japan and south korea may need their own nuclear weapons, and mr. trump saying that he would not rule out using nuclear weapons in europe or in the middle east, saying, quote: i would never take any cards off the table. meantime, washington lead faris, a member of trump's foreign policy team tells on the record that priority number one in a trump administration would be taking out isis. listen. >> we discuss heavy stuff actually, number one, anything has to do with isis, that was priority for everybody and for mr. trump. also the nuclear issues, proliferation issues, and thirdly, he asked us question about possible reconsolidating coalitions. he listens very well, but something he does, he asks many questions, sharp questions. multiple questions. >> like? >> like when somebody shows a scenario and then he says where is the weakness of that scenario, if there is another
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scenario, what would be the consequences. andrea: okay, gillian. what do you make of donald trump's comments in recent days? he walked back the comments about nato, and i think some people can agree with his comments, but specifically on nuclear proliferation, the fact that he wants to enable some countries to get nuclear weapons is pretty troubling because the united states has always had a firm policy of non-nuclear proliferation. gillian: and that's, you know, we spend a great deal of our resources, blood and treasure, time, money into preventing our allies from nuclear attacks by our adversaries, and it's because we want to stop the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and nuclear weapons. so to we take that burden on. i think a lot of people will connect with the sentiment of what mr. trump was saying, which is he's pointing out the unfair financial burden it places on the u.s., but i will say that it's a shortsighted proposal
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because what it also fails to take into account is the tremendous benefits we reap from that. it's not money that we throw away, it's money that we use to establish a foothold across the world, it's money that we use to -- >> you're giving trump a lot of, a lot of credit for -- gillian: no. >> -- when i started in the district attorney's office, this was the rule: for every one hour you're going to be in the courtroom in front of people, in front of the jury, you need to spend ten hours preparing for that one hour. and i don't think that donald trump adheres to that rule. i don't think he spends ten hours preparing for the one hour he's going to be on that podium answering these questions. i don't think -- as much as his foreign policy adviser says he asks a lot of questions, you've got to ask more. you're running for president of the united states. if you're not prepared to answer these questions like this, then you shouldn't be running for president. sandra: what do you make of that? some of the criticism of him has been that he's been thinking of and saying some of these things on the fly. >> right.
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gillian: and you could tell. that came through this week with his comments about allowing south korea and japan to maybe develop nuclear weapons, not taking the option to use nuclear weapons against our western european allies off the table. i think they weren't thought through, and that's a major red flag, as arthur -- melissa: to be fair, that second comment when they kept policing him about would you -- pressing him, he was saying i'm not going to take that off the table because i'm not going to take anything off the table. i'm unpredictable by nature. gillian: and that was a pointed counterattack to president obama, that was him saying i'm not going to undercut myself before we even get going here. i'm not going to start telling people what i'm not going to do. andrea: i think a couple of months ago he was asked about strategic triad, and he was not able to answer that question. so you're wondering why a couple months later he hasn't nailed this stuff down. okay. we've got something special coming up for you next. fox news reporting rising threats, shrinking military, it's an up-close look at how the
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united states military has drastically changed since the president took office. it's something all americans should know, so tune in tonight at 10 p.m. eastern. this fascinating in-depth report bret baier is anchoring this very special programming. you can watch it right here on fox news channel. and a controversy brewing ahead of the olympic games in rio. the u.s. women's soccer players say they're being discriminated against when it comes to pay. now they're filing a lawsuit. so could this spur equal pay fights in other sports? we're going to debate it next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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this year's olympics, but player on the national women's soccer team say they're being discriminated against because they make less than members of the men's team. earlier this week five top players filed a complaint with the federal agency that enforces the equal pay law. they point out that players on the men's national soccer team are paid nearly $18,000 each for a win against a top opponent compared to just $13,000 for players -- i should reiterate, $1300 compared to the thousands that men are getting. but only if they win. female players don't get any money at all for a tie or a loss, different from the men x. after the women's team won the world cup last year, they got $2 million in prize money, but the men, who came in 11th place in 2014, got $8 million! goal keeper hope solo says that's just not fair. >> we continue to be told we should be grateful just to have the opportunity to play professional soccer and to get paid for doing it.
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and in this day and age, you know, it's about equality, it's about equal rights, it's about equal pay, and we're pushing for that. we believe now the time is right was we believe it's -- because we believe it's a responsibility for women's sports and specifically women's soccer to really do whatever it takes. sandra: so on the part of u.s. soccer, it says in a statement, quote: while we have not seen this complaint and can't comment on the specifics of it, we are disappointed about this action. we have been a world leader in women's soccer and are proud of the commitment we have made to building the women's game in the united states over the past 30 years. all right. arthur, i already hear you -- [laughter] >> that statement is not good enough. look, it's all about the numbers. it's all about the evidence. we're in court. they brought in $16 million, the women's team brought in $16 million and had the highest-ranked soccer game, any soccer game, in united states history. the men lost money, and they
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came in last or 11th, whatever. it takes zero sense -- sandra: i think melissa might have a different angle to this. melissa: what's missing from this math, because i looked at the numbers too, what's the difference in ticket price? are people paying more to go to the men's match? what's the difference in ratings? are the mens -- >> excuse me, counselor -- melissa: no, no, no, that's profit based on where with they got in the ranking. it doesn't tell you was the team paid more -- >> this is all i'm going to say, ms. francis -- melissa: and for the commercial time when they put it on tv. no, they got more profit because they went further. but you don't know when they're playing identical -- sandra: okay, all right. [inaudible conversations] >> put me in front of a jury -- melissa: you're missing facts. i'm not saying it's right, i'm saying we're missing facts. melissa: so you're getting what she's saying, right? the women's team went further d. melissa: right. that's why they made more money. >> how do you explain the bonus?
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they get $2 million, they win the whole thing, they make $6 million, and the men lose and come in 11th and make -- gillian: why when we have this argument over and over and over again about discrimination against women, why do we have to have the argument about the top 1% of earners? why not about normal people? women who work at businesses, at stores? it always annoys me that the argument comes down to, like, superstar athletes, superstar hollywood actors and actresses -- >> well, you hope that sets the tone. gillian: why don't we set the tone the other way? sandra: i would say that that's a story every single day in the news, inequal pay for women. gillian: right, that's what i mean. sandra: we talk about it here a lot, but in this case these are famous people. we're not talking -- they're not all making a gazillion dollars --
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melissa: well, $75,000, i think -- sandra: hope solo went even further, andrea, and tweeted out a picture of the field and said this is what we're dealing with, a torn-up turf. do they have an argument here? andrea: i do think they have an argument, but i go back to what melissa said. you look at the ticket sales, all the math, look at what supports the men and why they are making so much. although i have on the whole taken a very different stance on this than most republicans. i do think that equal pay is a real issue for women in this country, and i do think it's not as black and white as everybody thinks. i think women do take time off to have babies, and there's reasons why women get paid less, but i also think there's certain industries where women are discriminated against, and men make more. and every time republicans say that that's not true, they lose. sandra: that story will continue. and this one, getting an a used to actually mean something. these days, not so much. the new report that shows
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i used to like that song. andrea: more "outnumbered" in just a moment, but first to jon scott with what's coming up in hour two of "happening now." jon: hey, andrea. we're awaiting a live address to the nation from embattled south african president jacob zuma after the highest court in his country ruled he violated the constitution by failing to repay a loan to upgrade his home. critics are calling for his impeachment, we will have any news from that. also, monitoring a big nuke summit in washington. president obama said last hour terrorists are trying to obtain nuclear materials and bombs but that a new treaty will help keep nuclear material out of their hands. and governor john kasich holding a rally and taking questions from the press in pennsylvania today. kasich attacked donald trump yesterday. today he hit ted cruz, saying his record is shutting down the government and making everyone
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he works with upset. oh x then there's hillary v. bernie. we'll get into it next hour, "happening now." andrea: all right, thanks. jon: thanks. melissa: so if you thought getting an a meant something special, well, think again. it's actually the most commonly-awarded grade in america right now. i can't believe that. that is according to a new study of 70 years' worth of college transcript records for more than 400 schools. it found the share of as tripling over that time. researchers are blaming grade inflation and what they call the consumerrization of higher education. the more people pay in tuition, the more they expect in return, including better grades. one researcher saying, quote: university leadership nationwide promoted the student as consumer idea. it's been a disastrous change, and we need leaders who have the backbone and put education first. sandra, you were getting all fired up about this. southbound. sandra: well, i was, because i kind of saw this when i was
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going through column. i always got the highest grade in the class -- melissa: of course! [laughter] sandra: just joking, did not. [laughter] >> sorry. sandra: i would see people who would confront a teacher and say this isn't the grade that i should be getting, it should be something else, and these teachers feared the repercussions -- melissa: they did? sandra: i do believe there are teachers, especially in the day and age of social media and the ability to review your teachers online, they're fearful of their teacher evaluations that if they're the teacher most known for handing out the most cs and fs, whatever, they're fearful of how that's going to reflect on them. gillian: no one will sign up for your cla, and then you won't get tenure -- melissa: i was never able to bully any of my teachers, i needed some good advice. arthur, what do you think? >> i'm very proud that with this study over 70 years, i'm the one, i kept the numbers down for getting all of those as in those statistics. andrea: so you ruined the curve.
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>> i had a very interesting attitude in college, you know? it was you do what you gotta do. i know -- gillian: what does that mean? >> you get a b, a b, maybe a c+. and in the beginning of law school i was told there's only one school that counts, the last one, the bar exam. and that one i got an a on. gillian: i thought it was pass/fail -- >> when you pass, that's a an a, trust me. [laughter] melissa: this is amazing to me. i went to school at the wrong time. we were curved over a b-. it was just as hard to get an a as a c. it was tough to get an a when i was in school. andrea: i don't think these kids can handle anything less than an a. >> you're right. melissa: really? andrea: they don't get an a, and they are so worried it will ruin their gpa, ruin their life, and they are told that they are perfect and wonderful by their parents. but i do think if you feel you deserve a higher grade, i would
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go in all the time to my journalism professors because i did feel there was a liberal bias, and i would fight and argue all the time, i know you have a hard time -- >> isn't that shocking? sandra, could you believe she stuck up for herself? fox news alert! sandra: i'm giving everyone on the couch an a, more "outnumbered" in just a moment. opportunity to direct. thank you, we'll call you. evening, film noir, smoke, atmosphere... bob... you're a young farmhand and e*trade is your cow. milk it. e*trade is all about seizing opportunity.
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