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a lot of whining. i'm sure some cursing. and some late-night fever tweeting. all the characteristics i would note we would want of a commander in chief. and the latest thing he seized upon is when people vote against him, they are stealing the election. martha: brand-new polls have donald trump leading in new york. trump taking a shot at cruz over his new york values comment. >> he does not like new york, and he does not like the people of new york, and that came out loud and clear. all you had to do was forget about this word. his word were new york values.
am i right? so we have a rigged system. in colorado they were going to vote. you saw what's happening in colorado. it's a fix. because we thought we were having an election, and a number of months ago they decided to do it by, you know what. they said we'll do it by delegate. bill: byron york, how are you. >> good. bill: trump pushing the argument washington works against you and does what it wants. >> this is a comfortable place for donald to be. he has been complaining about unfair treatment real or perceived. he thinks it benefits him with the kind of voters he's trying
to reach. in colorado the system was set up in a way that seemed to discourage participation by new voters. if you wanted to go through a the system you had to go through a state caucus and it was not the uninairated new voters trump is trying to appeal to. bill: what is the argument in return. >> the rules are the rules and everybody knew them going in. this is something that had been done many months ago. everybody knew of it was going to work that way. so clearly ted cruz worked the system very diligently. his people have been preparing for months and months. trump had not.
they ignored the system and parachute in. and the guise who did all the preparation won the game. bill: nbc, they had him at 54%. >> not only is trump in the lead, but ted cruz is in third place. john kasich is in second place. an interesting question nbc and the warm street journal asked new york republicans. if donald trump goes to the convention with the most votes but with fewer than the 1,237 needed to clinch the nomination, what should happen? 64% said trump should be the nominee. 64%, that's a pretty big number. bill: do you think it's trump or cruz and that's it or someone
like mattis or paul ryan going to get into this. >> between the people who believe whether you are for trump tore cruz. the nominee has to be somebody republicans have been voting for all these months or somebody absolutely new, white knight to come into the process. mattis is one of those whose name is being mentioned. paul ryan, a prom. nanlt republican says he is not interested in doing this. but one of the guys in now or a white knight, that debate is not settled. bill: thank you, byron york. martha: a new candidate the who has no chance of clinching the enough delegates for the
nomination. he says he has no interest in partnering with trump or cruz. >> they are going to think about who can be president. we'll have to go to all these delegations. the trump people are for trump, they are for me. i'm second. i understand them. it will be incumbent on us to visit the delegation. >> would you team up with them? >> no. i'm not teaming up with anybody. martha: donald trump the closest to 1,237. cruz 200 back after the lopsided votes in colorado and wisconsin. martha: in third and he suspended his campaign some time ago. bill: kentucky senator rand paul is here. we'll weigh in on the clinton email investigation. we have not spoken with him
since he dropped out. he has a story about 1976 and a contested convention that he attended at age 13. martha: brand-new polls out this morning showing hillary clinton pulling ahead in next week's primary. new scrutiny over a racially charged joke clinton told with new york mayor bill deblasio at a charity event. what is this controversy about? >> this is the annual dinner called inner circle. it pokes fun at the mayor. sort of maybe the new york press corp version of the white house correspondent's dinner. hoik made a surprise appearance and there was a little skit there with racial overtones. thanks for the endorsement,
bill. it took you long enough. >> savvy, hillary. >> cautious politician time. >> cp time, cautious politician time. reporter: mayor deblasio says people are making much ado about nothing. the tabloids are going crazy with bill deblasio being under investigation for campaign contributions. you remember the fox poll had
clinton up 16 points. the fox poll, she is up by 14 points. this is becoming a must-win for her because of all these victories we see bernie sanders piling up. today is the first anniversary of hillary clinton getting into this race. they did not believe inside the clinton campaign that they would be dealing with bernie sanders. they not they would have this wrapped up. what a ride it's been for a year. bill: not a lot of good judgment on that joke. the democratic candidates battling it for new york and it's turning ugly. >> secretary clinton has given a number of speeches on wall street. she gets 250,000 dollars per speech it must be a brilliant earth-shattering speech. bill: are the attacks having an
impact? the top democratic lawmaker weighs in. martha: 400 protesters arrested in washington. what brought them to the steps of our national capitol? bill: that's hail and a lot of it causing major damage and the onslaught is far from over in this storm. >> there were golf ball size hail coming through and destroyed our camper. all the windows were broken.
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martha: to northern texas where they have been pummeled by golf ball size hail. it smashed car windows and windshields. one school district is closed because of safety concerns. the storm slamming arkansas. that looks like one of those baseballs that goes through a windshield. >> millions of votes ahead, which they don't even talk about. they never even mention it.
they talk about delegates. i'm hundreds of delegates ahead. but the system is rigged. it's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system. only a non-politician would say it. bill: big applause line for that. ted cruz swept 34 delegates in colorado over the weekend. is trump right on his argument? >> vice president joe biden's comments, how are people reacting to that. whether the system is set up against him. what do the voters think? >> the system isn't rigged. the rules are set well in advance. if he was organized he could
have taken advantage of them as well. but this is a powerful intuitive argument donald trump is making and it's a prologue he will be make being a convention if he falls short of 1,237 and there is a big scrum at the convention. he will say you have got to give to it me, if you don't give it to me it's corrupt. >> the easiest way for trump to do that is to get to 1,237. he's not running a very good campaign. in terms of the nuts and bolts of running the campaign, he has been doing a pretty poor job. cruz is running a great campaign. i have to give cruz credit for running a good campaign. bill: cory gardner senator from colorado tweets if you can't
figure out the colorado gop delegate process how can you balance the federal budget. how are you going to defeat isis if you can't figure out the colorado convention? >> message and free media, trump has dominated that and that's the reason why he's a frontrunner. but grassroots and activism matter, too, and that's where cruz excelled. if you want to test a candidate on all those levels. the problem trump has is not that system is rigged. but he's failing at that organizational grassroots level. bill:
>> trump is not running a smart campaign in a lot of ways. if they get to that republican convention and trump is close to that number. i do say i sympathize with trump. how are you not going to give it to him if he's at 1,200 and not 1,237. you would be gig it to cruz on the second ballot who is not as popular as trump to the voters. if i were the republican party, i would take kasich, he's your most popular candidate in the general election. >> good luck with that. you have to win more than one state. bill: when you think about delegates in colorado, north and
south carolina. north and south dakota, indiana, georgia, they are being recruited by largely ted cruz. >> trump has been doing just fine so far in the delegate allocation. he's winning more delegates than@the other candidate. what's falling down is delegate selection. then the loyalty of these people, where they are ideologically, that matters. the cruz team has been paying attention to that from the beginning. martha: more suspected terrorists have been round up and charged in brussels. what was their part in the deadly attacks at the airport on
that's the largest arrest they have seen in quite some time. we were talking about the long, hot summer coming up. any time you get these conventions, republican-democrat, they draw people to cleveland and philadelphia. it could get hot. martha: people are so emotional about this election. everywhere you go the discussions people get into by the. people care deeply about the future of this country. and there is no doubt that passions are on the rise and this was obviously one situation that happened. but as you say we may see more of it. but there is a lot of feelings as we go forward. breaking reports from europe. belgium officials say three people have been detained following a house search in
brussels. belgium possible cuters charging two more suspects in connection with the attacks in brussels at the airport. the pair are accused of renting an apartment used as a hideout for the subway bomber. benjamin hall live in london. what's the latest on this case this morning? >> just in the last half-hour we were hearing three were arrested back in november and brussels as well. the investigation really moving on, trying to find people connected to it and anybody who may have helped them. they were accused of run iting an apartment used as a hideout by the subway bomber and his suspected police. the would suspects rent an apartment in the district where the attacks were planned.
then they helped empty and clean it up after the attack. this investigation is active day and night. the apartment rented by the brothers was right next to a federal building. 32 died in the attack, 20 in the subway. two brothers have been chargerred with participating in the terror group. the trend has been seen in other terrorist networks. more people being rounded up. so hopefully some progress being made as we speak. back to you. bill report opening bell on wall street. traders watching for economic numbers, a lot out of the china and europe as well. but we are getting into earning season, and that will determine
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this appears to show smith's car slamming in the back of the suspected shooter's hummer. the hummer apparently hit smith, then went ahead and hit the car in front of him. suspect is held on a million dollars bond. we went through the story and continue to learn more about what was going on there, perhaps the relationship these two had, fit was close or a passing one. martha: a beloved member of the team, but that's a chilling video. >> when we talk about the differences between secretary clinton and myself, i voted against the war in iraq. secretary clinton who was then
your senator, she voted for that disastrous war. >> i have noticed under the bright spotlight and scriewt chicago in new york senator sanders has had trouble answering questions about his core issue, namely dealing with the banks. he has had trouble answering foreign policy questions. martha: the back and forgetting more heated ahead of the crucial april 19. clinton suggesting sanders is struggling under the media spotlight. this as new polls show she has a double digit lead. let's bring in california congressman javier serra. you endorsed hillary clinton. what do you make of that debate going on between these two? >> it's a competitive primary
and you see secretary clinton showing her strength. bernie sanders is trying to make it a race. but secretary clinton is showing why he should get the nomination. hillary clinton is immensely qualified to be president of the united states. bernie sanders is qualified to be president of the united states. it's silly to discuss that, let's talk about who can be the best president. new yorkers will agree hillary clinton should become the next president of the united states. martha: the clinton campaign was surprised he has cleaned up in 8 states and he's givenner much more a run for her money man anybody expected. she has a strong lead in her adopted state of new york. pennsylvania comes after that. where do you think this is going?
>> at the end what we'll have is a convention that will be unified as democrats and bring together a coalition behind hillary clinton that will give her the chance to do well as president of the united states. i don't think any republican can beat her. so it's great that on a day when we celebrate the work of women and try to make sure they get paid the same amount as men that we talk about hillary clinton becoming the next president of the united states. >> on both sides there is a lot of debate about the political will of people, how much their vote matters. we saw people standing up for voting rights over the week wind and getting arrested. many bernie sanders voters will say the system is rigged, that she wrapped up superdelegates. >> hillary clinton leads senator
sanders in votes cast. she'll win pledged delegates and win the majority of superdelegates. at the end of the day she'll show she has earned the chance to be our nominee one way other other. what we want to do is get people out to vote. those who say there is an enthusiasm gap. democrats are excited, not just about the november election, but also the primaries. but for democrats up and down the ticket. come november i think the senate is in good shape to going back to being in democratic hand. we continue to see the thrust of secretary clinton so we can see the house of representatives regain control.
i want to play a tape for you, this is an interview with vice president joe biden. i want to get your thoughts. >> would you like to see a woman elected? >> i would like to see a woman. i don't mind. i'm not getting into that. >> i would like to ask one more question. >> the president and i are not going endorse because when we ran we said let the party decide. gosh, almighty, they are both qualified. martha: is that an endorsement or sidling up to endorsing? why do you think they would jump in and cut him off and say that's it. >> i think we know on the democratic side we have two good candidate. one is so prepared, she has been tested through and through. the she has been tested not just here in the political circles of
this country, but in the hotpots throughout the world. what you are seeing -- martha: do you think it's odd that the administration that appointed her as secretary of state john kerry and she worked with that administration hasn't endorsed her already? >> no, i think the president and vice president are trying to stay neutral. the president is still the president, the vice president is still in office. so they are trying to be distanced from the campaign. if they choose to endorse that's find. but what you find for the most part is sitting presidents and vice presidents try to stay out of races that are contested, animated and showing the democrats are strong. >> so the delegate debate heating up between donald trump and senator ted cruz.
martha: some legal problem for led zepplin for allegedly ripping off the first notes of ask stairway to heaven." they said it just occurred to them that the opening notes of "stairway to heaven" sounds like a song they wrote two years prior. martha: that's the ticket, it's my song. >> the latest thing he seized upon is when people vote against him, they are stealing the election. it's an odd notion. what is this democracy of which you speak. you mean voters get to vote?
bill: that was voters firing back at donald trump. cruz says trump is whining. those who spoke with senator rand paul who himself was a candidate candidate. >> if you get to a contested convention i think it will be wide open on the first ballot and we'll see what happens. bill: that was not the answer i was expecting. >> i don't think he can quite get there. i think he can do well in the new england states and mid-atlantic states. i was at the last convention when i was a kid. i was 13 years old. my dad was a reagan delegate. all of texas and california were winner take all.
they put texas on one side of the arena and california on the other side. so they would start chants to communicate with each other yelling viva and ole. it was contentious. bill: this delegate process seems to play into trump's favor. did people feel that way 40 years ago? >> people were upset and doing everything possible they could. pepennsylvania was uncommitted n 1976. pennsylvania and mississippi were two uncommitted state. reagan did something extraordinary. reagan picked his vice president before he got the nomination. he picked richard whiter, the
senator from pennsylvania, he was try to woo them, it didn't work. bill: how many voters could this disenfranchise in 201 and hurt the republican party. >> we have a complicated process. we don't vote directly for president. we vote for delegates who vote at the convention for nomination. so these are the rules that we have had in place for long time. but some of them are complicated and arcane rules and there will be a fight in the rules committee. bill: the rnc says it's trump, cruz or kasich. >> i think it's trump or cruz. the reason i say that is they passed a rule in 2012 that said ron paul's votes wouldn't count. my father's votes were announced, iowa would say 28
votes for ron paul. and at head of the podium would say 28 vote for mitt romney. they didn't call them at all. but the rules were explicitly done to exclude my father. now they are trying to say that nomination and your votes counting are separate things. but that's not what they said in 2012. bill: president obama talked about his biggest moment and biggest regret. >> biggest accomplishment. >> saving the commend from a great depression. >> miss best mistake. >> failing to plan for the day after what i think was the right thing to do in intervening in libya. >> i'm glad he's admitting it was a mistake into libya. it was a mistake hillary clinton
favored at the time. but part of the reason it was a mistake is because he didn't obey the constitution. the constitution says congress determines when we go to war. libya made a mistake because it made the country more chaotic. bill: hillary clinton has more votes than bernie sanders. >> she is only the nominee because of insiders. he's killing her in the primaries. if you take away the superdelegates they are pretty close to even. she is a little ahead of him. it's funny they talk about how the republican primary might be fixed, the democrat primary is have much fixed by the insiders. thank you for coming back.
bill: he will not endorse until after cleveland. but he will endorse whomever the nominee is. and he might be one of the delegates from the state of kentucky. martha: he's right, the american people are learning more about this system and the way it works and it brings it to the forefront, a fascinating process to watch. u.s. health officials are sounding the alarm on the zika virus. why they say this dreaded virus may be a bigger problem than we already knew. >> everything we look at with this virus seems to be scarier than we initially thought. ...that even in sunlight, doesn't look like hair color... it just looks like you. nice'n easy: color as real as you are.
martha: top u.s. health officials are saying the more they learn about the zika virus, the scarier this is becoming. u.s. officials are asking for $2 billion to help deal with this issue. jonathan serrie is live from our atlanta bureau. reporter: health officials say the more they learn about zika, the more concerned they become. though most infected adults show mild to no symptoms, there are reports of a form of paralysis. it causes birth defects beyond babies born with microcephaly or
unusually small head. >> we are learning the virus is leading to a broader group of symptoms, eye problems and other conditions. >> the mosquito that most easily carries zika is more widespread in the u.s. than usually thought. it's found in portions of 30 states. so as the weather heats up we could see the first cases of zika-born infections in the united states. congressional republicans pushed back insisting the white house should use fund earmarked for ebola research. >> we couldn't just stop and wait for the money. we had to go ahead. if we don't get the money the president asked for, we won't be
able to take to it point where we accomplish what we need to do. reporter: federal health officials point out the ebola threat hasn't completely gone away and funding is needed for research to combat multiple disease threats at the same time. martha: what is the plan the united states right now? >> the on cases on the mainland is spreading in puerto rico and other u.s. territories. but in the mainland the only cases involve returning travelers who became infected abroad and in a few cases zika was passed on by sexual transmission. health officials say it's quite possible that we are going to see at least small pockets of mosquito-borne transmission. so they say it's important that local community adopt mosquito-controlled policies and these community coordinate with
one another so they can show a united front to this very real disease threat. bill: a big deal for the olympics this summer and people traveling there, too. central america and mexico. watch the tourism dollars go down. the white house came out two weeks ago, in their opening statement they included this comment which did not get picked up by a lot of people. it was on their radar. now we get to see real soon. martha: i wonder how quickly they will have to ramp up the research to find a vaccine or a way to combat it. it remains to be seen if they can do something quickly enough. are we destroying isis? that's the question for top terror experts. the head of the cia saying he would go against any order to carry out waterboarding. that's drawing criticism from a
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martha: so dramatic delegate battle whipping up turmoil in the race for republican nomination. donald trump lashing out at the republican party delegate selection rules. hization they are rigged after ted cruz swept all of colorado's 34 delegates over the weekend. welcome, everybody. hour two for a tuesday on "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. blasting the results after he was out maneuvered by cruz. he said the vote was taken away by the party machine. calling it biggest story in politics today.
>> we found out in colorado and other places this is not a democracy like we're supposed to v we'll make it a better democracy, all right. we'll not have rigged elections in the republican party anymore. >> when people vote against him, they're stealing the election. [laughter]. it's a really odd notion. what is this democracy of which you speak? you mean voters get to vote? bill: senor national correspondent john roberts live in rome, new york. trump is on the trail today, right, john. reporter: he has a big rally in rome, demonstrating popularity with voters in albany, capital of the empire state. a huge rally, in a building that holds, 17,500 people and, bill, it was packed. trump wasted no time hammering
ted cruz and hammering his statement about, quote, new york values. >> we took the worst attack in the history of our nation and we look that attack and we were strong and we were sharp, and we were loving and we had heart. and we rebuilt downtown manhattan. that's what new york values really is and really represents. [cheers and applause] we all know that. reporter: donald trump really looking for a big win here in new york because under the delegate allocation rules the delegate allocation rules, if he goes above 50% in all 27 congressional districts, he will get all of the congressional district delegates. that is three per district. then he gets at large delegates as well. he would take out of new york, 95 delegates, which, bill would go a long way toward fulfilling the delegate math the trump campaign is counting on to get to a majority of delegates, 1237, before the july convention. bill: he continues to make the
case that the system is corrupt how is that going over, john? >> it is going over well with his supporters. donald trump one of the big topics of conversation with his supporters what happened in colorado where people didn't actually vote for the presidential preference at the caucuses. delegates were elected at district and state conventions. the cruz campaign said, hey, these rules laid down next year. they were clear to anybody that could read. yesterday campaigning in san diego, ted cruz was mocking donald trump as a whiner. listen to this. >> when donald loses -- [shouting] he gets very unhappy. he yells and screams and stamps his foot. as we know in the state of california wine is something you serve with cheese. reporter: wine goes best with cheese according to ted cruz. john kasich takes on both trump
and cruz to a speech to the republican national women's club of the he will say both of them are trying to take this country down a path to darkness. kasich speaks at 10:30. we'll have that a little later on. bill: thank you, john roberts, leading coverage this hour. martha. martha: for more on this, tucker carlson, editor of "the daily caller," fox news contributor. always good to see you. >> good morning, martha. martha: ted cruz basically played this game very well. he outflanked donald trump in come so i mean his ground game is excellent. we talked about it at the beginning but is trump right when he says the game is rigged? >> well i think they both are. cruz is absolutely right the rules in colorado have been in place since the legislature changed them in 2002. there is really no excuse for not playing the game as it is currently constituted. trump can't say it was surprise change. it wasn't. it has been in place for 14 years. on other hand trump is right it is not especially democratic way to choose delegates to the
convention. most republican voters didn't get right to vote and other elements are not democratic. again, they have been in place in a while, but we haven't had a close race like this in generations. it's a shock to a lot of voters to find out their vote doesn't matter. maybe trump wins the moral case here and cruz win the legal case. martha: i mean you look at the crowd in albany, tucker, last night, 17 plus thousand people packed in there. >> right. martha: donald trump has gotten as far as he has in this contest, basically on gut, on feeling, on momentum, on building these crowds and getting them out there and he does it like nobody else. >> right. martha: ted cruz who has lost points for personality in this race, you know, whether fairly or not, just works it. he works the ground. he figures out the rules. makes him some way look like the better manager. >> i think that is perfect summation what is going on. cruz's perceptions fair or unfair about his personality are single greatest impediment to his success. another element this race, i
don't think it happened in many generations in the united states, this race is framed by pundits and a lot of leaders in the republican party as referendum on decency. the republican establishment feels trump supporters are not simply wrong but they're immoral for supporting trump. there is something wrong with them. if you think this way it is short hop for having real contempt for people who would cast immoral vote. democracy is impossible to defend a system if you believe voters are immoral. you can't defend the rob significance, if voters do something against god's will for example, or destroy the country. you lose support for democracy. you don't believe in one man, one vote if you think man casting the vote is, committing a moral crime by doing it. i think that's why the republican establishment all of sudden isn't really in favor of the idea of every person having an equal say in this. that is why it is so unbelievably divisive. martha: you know he, donald trump made comments over the weekend, i like marco rubio, i like john kasich.
can he start to sort of chip away at what you're talking about, the scenario it is immoral to be a donald trump supporter that some people feel, can he change that by surrounding himself with some people maybe more palatable to other voters? >> it is, that is a great question. it is ultimate test of his negotiating skills. under normal circumstance, you would say what are issues divide rubio over trump? they have disagreements over trade and disagreements over immigration. can they reconcile those disagreements? people evolve and issues go away and people come together. if you frame this contest between good people and bad people, hard for people who consider themselves on the good people side moving over to the side they describe as the bad people side. once it's a moral contest, nobody has room for moment if you see what i mean, there is a stalemate. friendships are destroyed. the party is split permanently. generally not a good idea to frame political debates as moral debates. martha: it's a fascinating way to look at it.
you know, you make a great point, tucker, this is, he calls himself the great negotiator. >> right. martha: the huge negotiations at his feet right now is within the party he says he wants to be part of. >> that's right. martha: and how he deals with that is, you know, maybe the essential element to whether or not he can get there. >> there is one question. who is going to lead america's middle class? which party is going to be the party of america's middle class, the republican party or the democratic party, and as of right now neither party seems to want to be that party. it is really interesting. martha: tucker, great to have you with us. thanks so much. >> thank you, martha. bill: this is happening in this isis. the subject of two hearings today on capitol hill. the first underway right now. counterterrorism experts testifying before a senate panel about the international scope of the terror group today. the former director of the national counterterrorism center among those talking to lawmakers. chief intelligence correspondent
catherine herridge is live in d.c. now. what will they say? what do you expect, catherine? reporter: good morning, bill. record number of foreign fighters, more than 36,000, traveled to iraq and syria since the conflict began five years ago. those testifying the former head of the national counterterrorism center mat olson. the nctc was created and focusing on the isis, western recruits and self-radicalization. a intelligence source recently told fox 36,500 foreign fighters e the arab spring. among them 66 carrying -- 6600 carrying western passports that can travel to canada and u.s. this is most important number because it represents more than half of the world's countries showing radicalization is global problem and not narrowly defined, bill. bill: outside of iraq and syria,
is there a new center for isis, catherine. reporter: think of isis in libya as a kind of satellite operation with number of fighters doubling in the last year to 6,000 fighters. they're coming from north africa as well as iraq and syria with experts suggesting that isis leadership is now devoting significant resources deploying some senior operatives to libya to strengthen the group's regional hold, expand training camps and expand operational capabilities. in his interview with chris wallace on "fox news sunday," president obama side his biggest mistake was failing to plan for the postliberation era where removeof qaddafi create ad power vacuum. josh ernest defended strategy. >> president has not hesitated to use military force where necessary to take isis fighters off the field and to try to have an influence over the
battlefield against isil. so that we can degrade and ultimately destroy that terrorist organization. reporter: analysts say the limited bombing campaign has inflicted damage but it is also redirected fighters from syria to libya. that said there has been a significant shift rather in strategy to more captures of isis leadership in syria and iraq to debrief them for intelligence but they are held on a limited basis because the u.s. is not sending new prisoners to guantanamo for any long-term questioning, bill. bill: catherine, thank you. watch that hearing for us today in washington. martha: as we told you donald trump seething after his loss in colorado which he believes was not fair. >> it's a corrupt system. it is a totally, corrupt, rigged system. martha: so he is saying that the system is rigged as you just saw and he says it is in favor of ted cruz when it comes to colorado but is that system that he complained about actually working in his favor? we're going to show you some pretty interesting numbers. bill: sinking feeling for people
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in the middle of a california neighborhood. police, near fresno, capturing the collapse on video. that road falling into a sewage line creating a hole, 15, 20 feet deep. police do not know what caused it. they think recent storms could have been a factor. ♪ >> if i go to the voters of colorado, we win colorado. so, it's a crooked, crooked, system. martha: donald trump crying foul about the primary rules claiming a corrupt system has denied him delegates in some of the states that he won but a closer look at the numbers right now, where this whole thing stands shows that he has actually benefited from these same rules. right now, he has 742 bound delegates or 46%, of the delegates. awarded so far. despite the fact that he has won 37% of all of the votes. that means trump's delegate
support is significantly greater than his actual support from voters. larry sabato, director of center for politics at university of virginia. joining me this morning. good to see you, larry. >> good morning, martha. martha: does he have a point or is it benefiting him? >> martha, the road to the white house is filled with sinkholes, just like the one you showed and. donald trump may be right about colorado where a state decided not to have, or the state party decided not to have either a primary or caucus but overall trump has benefited from the rules. he has received 45% of the delegates and has received only a total of 37% of the votes. and that is from an nbc study. ted cruz has also gotten slightly higher percentage of the delegates than he received in votes. our system is very complicated. if you doubt that, try to
explain it sometime to people who reside in other countries. this is not easy to do. so you can attack it as being unfair or you can say that it's too fair in a certain direction. martha: look at the other measure that you just talked about. this is, this full screen, there we go, shows how much they are above their raw support in the delegate count. trump is 24% above his raw vote count and cruz is 20% above his, but you know, back to the colorado thing for a moment, why would they do that? why do they make that decision to run it the way that they did with no primary, no caucus and a big populace state like colorado? >> well the party said it was to save money. that is the party convention cost a lot less, i gather than the caucuses which was option the party ends up paying for. i personally prefer primaries. i think they draw a much broader group of people.
it is a much better way to conduct an inclusive campaign and we always need to remember, in the parties need to remember, the nominating process is just step one. you're trying to prepare the way for your nominee to win in the general election. the more people you involve in the process, i think the likelier it is you're going to win in the fall. martha: yeah. i mean that's the point i think it serves as a measure to the party how much enthusiasm there is for the individual that the party is considering nominating but the fact remains that this process is the party choosing the person that they want to put forward and they use these primaries to inform that process, is that correct? >> yes, that's correct and look, it is completely legal. let's remember the parties are not in the constitution. they're not mentioned at all. our legal system, the laws passed by congress and the state legislatures do regulate parties but they are permitted the option having a primary, caucus
or convention or some other method of nomination. there are hybrid methods. we have a very complicated system. you can't point out one particular facet of the process and call the whole process unfair. you can make call the colorado system unfair in some ways but i don't think you can term the whole system unfair. martha: do you think next time around there will be a lot more attention paid to these rules? because it has highlighted for people across the country how crazy the whole thing is, with superdelegates and you could win the state but you don't win the state because of the superdelegates. that is the democratic side of the fence. is that going to change? >> martha, you put your finger on it. we'll all be doing a lot more reading but, boy, the read something boring. you have to do party rule reading in both parties. it will be great reading if you have insomnia. this will be take care of people
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took an unexpected turn. carla o'neill, ended up stranded for hours before the coast guard did come to her rescue thankfully. there are the images of it. rescuers using night vision goggles to find her. she describes how she got stuck without her paddle. >> this boat went buy, part of the wake i went into it, and almost hit my kayak but lost the paddle. the way it started hitting waves, looks like there was sharks or something and i to the freaked out. martha: despite the coast call she plans to kayak again. you have to get back on your kayak, bill. bill: right on. disturbing reports that more christians have been slaughtered by isis. orthodox church leader says more than 20 were murdered in a small town near palmyra, syria. that town was captured by syrian army a week ago after eight month under the control of isis. california congressman ed royce, the chair of the house foreign
affairs committee. just returned from meetings overseas. welcome back to "america's newsroom." welcome home. you were in iraq, syria and tunisia. what do we need to understand about the isis in the form we have today? >> we met with christian refugees and you spoke about and heard stories about their atrocities and yazidis and kurdish forces. what i point i would make, kurdish and yazidi forces are not getting support they need from the united states with the weaponry, they're fighting with 40-year-old weapons. they need anti-tank weapons to stop these suicide vehicles. we saw one of the suicide vehicles that had been captured. it is encased in iron by isis with a cow catcher in front of it. the kurdish troops called it the mad max vehicle. and they said seven of these had been driven into their lines to kill their people. the 8th won they got a lucky shot in through the window. that is how they captured the
one they showed to us. i think clearly what we need to do is listen to their appeal, to get them directly the weapons. i have legislation to do this. the administration needs to give them the anti-tank weapons to defeat isis because isis is using those successes on the battlefield to recruit out of europe and battlefield. bill: why would we not? >> i think one of the issues, there is a lot of pressure from the government in baghdad. we were also in baghdad. there is this rivalry and also the rivalry with the turks. but the real question, if you asked the christians or the yazidis or the kurdish people up there, they say, look, there is a sick hundred mile front. the ones doing fighting are the kurds. let's arm them to push them back. let's arm the sunni tribes and yazidi men to do fighting as well. and i think if we did that, with some support from our special operations people, we could roll this thing back much more quickly and we need to because they're practicing on new forms
of explosives that allow them to do ever more devastating -- bill: two more topics. brussels and paris, more arrests overnight. we learned about at least two more. what did you learn about the migratory path within these refugee camps that we need to understand? >> one of the things we learned of course a million refugees come into europe. isis has a policy now of embedding, trying to embed into that. isis is returning those refugees, many of whom were originally coming out of europe to train, and by putting them into the refugee population, and returning them in order for them to carry out attacks in an environment where there are some of them that law enforcement is totally overwhelmed. over 6,000 fighters came from europe and clearly this is the big problem right now in brussels and paris. bill: fascinating trip you just completed here. james woolsey meanwhile responded to john brennan, head of the cia.
john brennan apparently says they will not enforce waterboarding even if given a command by a future president. watch. >> it's one thing for him to disagree with the policy and say that he disagrees with it or agrees with it. it is another for him to say, for john brennan to say he would, not take an action even if he were ordered by the president to do so. bill: that is woolsey from greta last night. what do you think of this debate? >> the question here is not the cia director or the president. the question is the law and under the ndaa, under national defense authorization act as it was passed out of the senate, that process has been eliminated. so under, what we expect is the president to use the, his full authority within the law in order to prosecute the war against isis. but in this particular case, the senate overwhelmingly passed the
legislation and included in that legislation, which is now law, is prohibition on that practice. bill: welcome home. thank you for your time, chairman. >> good to be back. thank you, bill. bill: that is some really -- we don't have access to a lot of these places overseas because they're too dangerous for the networks to put their people. so to get your eyes and ears is a great asset to our viewers. >> well, thank you very much, bill. bill: you bet. martha, what's next? martha: coming up rush limbaugh weighing in on the republican presidential race, why ted cruz he says may have an advantage. >> of course the trump people think games are being played and that tricks are being pulled but that is not happening. this is just somebody who understands the system, using it. martha: did trump lose colorado because of the rules of the game or because he didn't know how to play that game? we'll talk about that. bill: one school board voting to
martha: it's a tuesday. for a change there is no primary this evening, folks. but there is a lost campaigning going on in new york of all places. we haven't seen this in years i've been covering elections. hillary clinton holding a roundtable. discussion at "new york times" center. that somewhere you find her right now. bernie sanders is at a rally in rochester, new york, trying to rev up some votes there. clinton is definitely ahead in recent polling but bernie sanders trying to close the gap many times in the past as he has gotten closer to the actual primary day. bill: eating all of our food. taking the pizza down and taking big sandwich down. nathan's hot dog. doing it all. martha: how do they do it?
you have to eat a lot to run for president. ♪ >> what happened in colorado is, i'm sorry to say, it is not a trick. it is no secret, that colorado is going to have a convention. and they're going to choose their delegates before the primary. it is not a secret. it is just nobody leaked it. so, it was left to be discovered by people who didn't know. and it turns out that people on the trump campaign didn't know. bill: how will they play this game. trump saying he got a raw deal with ted cruz got 34 delegates. he calls the delegate selection crooked. but is it? marjorie clifton. principle of clifton consulting. how are you doing, marjorie? >> good. bill: matt slap, chairman of conservative union, former white house political director, president george w. bush. hi, matthew. >> high hi, bill.
bill, what do you think of limbaugh's comments? >> it is really complicated. some could argue whether it is fair, if you play by the rules, you benefit. that is what trump is seeing right now. i think his argument is valid one. that is dissecting a policy that already exists. it exists differently by state. the other thing that trump is learning is hard lesson playing nice with everyone because he hasn't spent time wooing delegates. he hasn't spent time wooing party people. he sees that is problematic. in many states those delegates choose whether he is nominee or not. bill: marjorie, did i hear this right, you agree with refresh your recollection limbaugh? >> i know. it's a little confusing but -- he is playing by the rules. bill: we have it on camera now. matt, go ahead. >> i'm in trouble. i agree with rush limbaugh and marjorie. i think russias this exactly right. look, i've been involved in two presidential campaigns. i've been involved with the rnc.
this is little bit of an arcane process. he has a fantastic fe clec shun lawyer, donald trump does, and rules are the rules. you have got to follow them to their ultimate goal. and i understand that donald trump is trying to point out the flaws in the system, and lord knows, there are flaws but he has also to go on major charm offensive because in the end these delegates are just people. you have to keep working them. if we have several votes in cleveland, people can move donald trump's way in the process. bill: they certainly can. they certainly can. >> about how corrupt the process is, he is not going to get them. bill: on that point, marjorie, there is a lot of criticism for superdelegates in the democratic party. a lot of them don't hold office. we can have that debate some other time. that is what the criticism says. after republicans are done on 7th of june, there could be 150 delegates who are up for grabs. they can do what they want. and you can go after them now. >> yeah. and there is, you're rht.
i agree there is imbalance on both sides how it panders to the party officials, but at the same time, you're right, it's a free season. this is where trump would benefit by being a little bit more of a diplomat. by taking time with some party leaders. he agreed to run on republican ticket. bill: they're doing that now. trying to make up for lost time. >> right. bill: john kasich, this thing comes up with everyone. here is what he says. >> you have to go out and hunt delegates. that is part of what this is about. everybody has been talking about who wins what thing. i keep telling people it is about accumulating delegates which is what, you know, now, becoming clear to you the hunt for delegates really matters. bill: unless you get to 1237. matt, do you think trump will get there the first tuesday in june? >> i still think he has a chance to get there, bill. i know a lot of people are definitely saying this is going to be contested but remember
we're going to have the california primary you brought up in the first week of june. then we'll have our convention over a month later. in that period of time that is usually when these things get settled. you have to the, four or five weeks or so where trump and cruz and others can really do this hunt for delegates. so he still has a chance to lock it up. it will be because he sways people to be on his side. he will only do that if he gets on this charm offensive soon. bill: thank you both. marjorie clifton in austin. matthew schlapp in d.c. >> have a good one. martha: one california school district voting to allow certain members to carry guns on campus. the policy put in place to insure the safety of students in case there is an active shooter at their building. william la jeunesse is live from los angeles. william, interesting program. what can you tell us? reporter: martha, kingsburg, is near fresno, which is in the
central valley, which is red dot in very blue and largely anti-gun state but school officials said better safe than sorry and voted last night up to allow five teachers or employees to carry a weapon on the 1200 studentcam pus which has no fence or police presence. >> personally the expectation of the superintendent is that given the situation, you will protect staff and students with your firearm. reporter: now the superintendent decides who carries, their identity stays secret. already, martha, he has volunteers. martha: really interesting. is this first program like this for california or in other states? >> you know, about, look, 15 years ago the idea of arming teacher was almost unthinkable until a teenager in pearl, mississippi began shooting students. principal grabbed gun from his truck and confronted the kid and stopped him without firing a shot. that incident reversed decades
of thinking as schools as gun-free zone. after sandy hook, and shooting in oregon and san bernanadino, more now see guns a way to stop active shooters. kingsburg is the second california district to do this. the first in folsom. it was not controversial. in fact the police chief helped write the policy. >> it would be comforting or nice to know that somebody was on campus, armed and could have, could stop the violence. reporter: in rural areas where police are not quickly available this is not uncommon. sign in oklahoma parking lot. be aware we're armed and will use force to protect our student. martha: we've seen in these incidents that are horrific that the thing that stops it, stops the action at that scene is when somebody does arrive with a gun. and usually the shooter takes their own life at that moment but it is awful situation that needs to be dealt with in some way. william, thank you very much. bill: 20 minutes now before the hour. will we soon see a different donald trump?
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and when the best offer means you're moving to the middle of nowhere, the boys say they hate the idea. but you pretend it's not so bad. and years later at thanksgiving, when one of them says what he's thankful for most, is this house, you realize you didn't plan for any of this you wouldn't have done it any other way. with the right financial partner, progress is possible. bill: here is the ohio governor john kasich. new york has not gotten this kind of attention when? i don't know, was it like 1862? man, so he is a few blocks away at the women's national republican club. so he is making his case there. just wanted to share that with you, as he continues his campaign, here in the empire state. martha: he may be brash and bold but donald trump says that he is starting to act more presidential as part of the next chapter of his run for the nomination. gop front-runner says he needs to take out his republican rivals first.
then he will settle things down. bill o'reilly asking trump if his style will change if he makes it to the general. watch this. >> possible it will change it a little bit, bill. we started off with 17 people, 16 which were shooting after me. going after you come off not looking good because you come after them much harder when they went after you. >> in order to get the unfavorables down you have to be softer, kinder trump i don't know if you can do that. i don't know if you can. >> i think i am a softer, kinder person if you want to know the truth, bill. i think i will get along with people and be a unifier including for party. martha: joining us monica crowley, online opinion editor for "washington times." good morning to you. >> good morning. martha: he is a teddy bear. >> look, he does have a real point. if he had started out this race running as vanilla bland candidate he would have gone the way of jeb bush.
his whole brand is i'm an outsider, non-politician, i'm against the establishment, i am speaking for you. i promise to come in and smash the existing order. if you're promising to smash the existing republican order before you get to the country, straightening out the country you can't run as sort after straight-up republican candidate. that is what he has done. gotten him very far. now the race changed. entered a new phase, kwan tatively and qualitatively. we reached critical mass. that requires a different approach. martha: to close this deal, which donald trump says he is very good at, he needs to dispatch with the other two people left in this race and needs to hit 1237 in that convention, right? >> yes. martha: so in order to do that he has to grow the number of people who say, you know what? he is kind of changing my mind, that donald trump. that is the question for him right now, monica. >> that is key and that is why you may start to see, he was
getting at this with o'reilly, a change in tactics. martha: are you seeing that take place and how so? >> it is starting to. with hire of paul manafort who has been around republican politics for a long time, he knows the system inside and out, he is a superb delegate hunter which is something donald trump needs. the question whether or not this is too late. a lot of people are talking about this. you're deep into april in the primary process, martha. so this is very late in the game to start getting your act together. donald trump came in as a one-man band. that one-man band approach gotten him this far, a remarkable achievement for somebody who has not done this so far. game is played with different rules in every state and going into possibly open convention we haven't had since 1976, he needs seasoned operatives, people who done this before and know how the game is played in order to do what needs to get done. martha: there is irony in this because the fact of the matter is, it is like running a business, right?
getting these delegates. understanding the rules in all the states, if you want to build a building in all states, need to understand zoning laws and you need to understand what is going on in the state and need to know how it happens. that is how he presented himself. ted cruz the senator from washington, who outflanked him on that part of it, on the managing part. >> tactics and strategy. martha: that to me is vulnerability. may not be too late to fix that and can paul manafort do that? >> look, he is a superb operative, so if anybody can do it i think mr. manafort can. the question is, you have very limited time. they all have to move very fast to make up for lost ground. you're right about senator cruz. knows ins and outs of this campaign for a long time. really built the presidential call campaign last 1 1/2, two years. he has sophisticated operation with people that know with they're doing. trump, because he hasn't done this before, there is almost
naive view and i will go into a state and be me. martha: enthusiastic to get huge crowds. that gets you to where he is. no doubt that worked for him so well but now he needs the business, the businessman needs business side of the equation which i find so interesting. i do want to ask you before you go, he is starting to say some nice things about marco rubio, starting to say nice things about john kasich. what's that about. >> that is vice presidential game and game for delegates. if we go into open, contested convention he will need to sway as many delegates as possible. marco rubio, john kasich, has a lock on the number of delegates. and so it would-be hoof mr. trump to say nice things in order to convince them to convince their bound delegates to transfer their support to donald trump in a convention because, the way, number of delegates that marco rubio has, and john kasich, if you take one or the other or combine them, that might be enough to put him over that 123. martha: no doubt the cruz folks want them as well. >> of course.
here comes competition. donald trump always prided himself on fierce competitor. now is the time for it to kick in. martha: great stuff, monica, thank you. >> you bet, martha. thank you. bill: here we go. donald trump mentioned this a week or two ago. now it is official. the secretary of state in missouri has now certified the results from a month ago in that primary. so trump gets 25 delegates in missouri. cruz gets 15. john kasich gets zero. on democratic side, bernie sanders and hillary clinton were about .2 a point apart. each gets 34 delegates. but with the superdelegate rule on the democratic side, clinton will have 46 out of missouri. and now you know. tax day is friday. new report showing how vulnerable your data might be in the hands of the irs.
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>> six minutes away happening now. one week to you not critical new york state primary. we have brand new polling from the empire state. pennsylvania shaping up as another key battleground. plus donald trump says the delegate process is corrupt and crooked. ted cruz says trump is whining. hillary clinton says sanders can not back up his position. sanders says hillary has bad judgment. we're covering it. warts and all ahead "happening now." bill: thank you, jon. see you in six minutes. new report shows your personal information with the irs might be at risk. the agency is using outdated software you have vulnerable to hacking. chief correspondent mike emanuel is there listening and watching.
what is the tone there, mike. reporter: serious and professional. not a lot of fireworks so far. we heard from john koskinen about the complexity of the cyber program at irs. criminals at home and abroad trying to hack into thestax collection data to get sensitive data or hard-earned tax refund. here is the chairman koskinen moments ago. >> protecting citizen and taxpayer date is top priority for the u.s. we work continuously to protect our main computer systems for sigher attacks and to safeguard taxpayer information stored in our databases. the systems with stand more than one million malicious attempts to access them each day. reporter: koskinen said the challenge is keeping criminals both home and abroad out of the irs computer systems while allowing honest taxpayers in and reassuring them systems are safe. the government accountability office made 45 recommendations for how the irs can tighten things up, bill? >> that is mandatory.
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