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factor." the nuns said that to me in sixth grade. again, thanks for watching us tonight. ms. megyn is next. i'm bill o'reilly.please rememb here because we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight. the rnc and donald trump ramp up their fight. speaker paul ryan says you can count him out for the 2016 race. and the candidate's wife comes forward in an interview to break her silence on what the media dubbed the wife wars. welcome to a special edition of "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. 2016 is in focus this evening. in moments, we'll get to brit hume on what has become a delegate death match on the republican side of the white house race. but first to an exclusive. in the age of the modern political campaign, spouses and children play a key role, supporting the candidate and helping to carry the message. the unwritten rule, however, is that the families should be
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off-limits from political attacks. that rule was broken a few weeks ago, when melania trump was attacked in an ad by an anti-trump super pac. and then days later, the wife of ted cruz, hidee cruz, found herself the target of an unflattering tweet in a campaign controversy that lasted for days. but heidi cruz met her husband working for the bush for president campaign in 2000. she's currently on leave at goldman sachs in houston, texas and sat down with yours truly earlier to take questions about her husband, his campaign, and the clash that recently made her a household name. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, megyn. great to be here with you. >> let's talk about you. you were raised in california. the daughter of two missionaries. how did it change you? how did it affect you to be
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raised by such devout christians? >> my parents are incredible people, and it's so important to have parents who teach you things and who give you principles to live by. my parents are people that practise what you preach. my dad is a dentist, my mom is a dental hygienist. they always just believe in the the view that we're here for a short time and we live for others and we can make a big difference in this world when we live for others. >> it is true in fifth grade you knew you wanted to go to harvard business school? >> i was raised in a small town on a small farm. my parents instilled the value of hard work. i remember we picked a lot of berries and corn. and when my brother and i were young, we wanted a little bit of pay for that work. so we asked to be paid a little more. he said if you want to make money, start a business. so when my brother and i were 6 and 8 we started a bread
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business and we competed. my brother bought me out for a period. i loved business from a young age. the things you learn are invaluable. it got me interested in business and then my parents exposed us to a lot of things and i was interested in business school at a young age. >> and you have an mba from harvard business school. shortly after that, you met your husband, ted cruz, while you were working on george w. bush's presidential campaign. what first attracted you to ted? >> well, you know, ted has a ve very rare combination. he has a deep intelligence, but at the same time, he's a lot of fun. he has incredible command of pop culture, he's a big movie buff. he loves to play games. ted will stay up all night if he's playing a card game or chess and he's really good. and it's fun to be around someone who is so smart and so
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intelligence. >> do you remember a specific moment where you started to think, uh-huh, he might be the one for me? >> well, ted and i both say, and we said it at the time and it was love at first sight. i'm not a big risk taker, so i was sort of surprised to fall in love with someone so quickly. but i saw in ted somebody that had the qualities i just described but who also questioned the status quo, who sees possibility where others don't. i knew this was a person who, like i described my parents, was going to have a real impact. >> did you know that? at the time, did you think, this could be a future president of the united states? >> i didn't think this could be a future president of the united states, but i thought this is going to be a person that is doing to be a doer. >> you know people will say, people never liked ted cruz. they didn't like him in law school, they don't like him in the senate. did people like him? >> i want all of his friends to hear on your show that one of the things that attracted me most to ted cr is all of his
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friends. when you meet someone and their friends and the people they associate with, it deepens your conviction this is the right person for you. so this likability thing is a misnomer for people who aren't getting much done. >> was it a happy time? >> it was incredibly happy. we were great newlyweds. one of the stories i tell, ted is a low key person, he's easy to live with. the night we got married, he went out and bought 100 cans of chunky soup. i grew up on a farm where you make your own pasta. so i the next morning loaded 100 cans of soup back in the car and returned them all. >> why did he want 100 cans of soup? >> because he can eat a can of soup for dinner. our potential next president of the united states might have a can of soup for dinner. so he said, unless you're going to cook, i'm a terrible cook,
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i've tried. so i did have to go back and buy those cans of soup again. >> he was solicitor general for the state of texas, so he goes into court and argues on behalf of the state. so he moved down to austin. he has to go to austin, texas for that. you have a thriving career in washington and for a time you lived apart, right? >> we commuted. we saw each other almost every single weekend. >> and that got old? >> yeah. it was hard. >> so you decided to move to texas to be closer to ted. but you went to houston to work for merrill lynch. those are only three hours apart, houston and austin. >> 2 1/2. >> people say why didn't you go to austin? >> right, exactly. >> you described that as a rouge news made about how rough it was for you at the time. do you feel like it was humbling? here your, harvard business school, worked for the bush
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administration, hot shot in tin vestment banking industry, making it as a woman in a man's world, married to the solicitor general of texas. and yet even somebody like you can go through a tough time where you feel sadness and you struggle. >> absolutely. it was humbling. the thing i want to convey to people in this country, to americans but to women specifically, but really to men professionally, is being humble is so important. if you go through different transitions in your life, if you're willing to start over sometimes, if you're willing to always work hard, no job is too small or big, and you see possibility like ted does where others don't, it can be a much smoother path. and so it was -- it was -- what was humbling for me is in my spiritual walk. it was so humbling to know that god has an incredible plan for my life. and regardless of what your beliefs are or your religion, if you believe there's a reason you are placed on this earth, you
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can follow that and not need to control everything. and what was really humbling was to realize that my ability to contribute and to serve others was not oriented toward the geography, it was for using the talents god had given me. >> then you had two children on top of that. so how did two busy professionals like you and ted at that time manage all of that at once? >> one thing that i think is so important is to recognize that if you have a lot going on in your life, you need to ask people for help. and our families were incredibly helpful. >> ever have working mother guilt? >> what's been interesting is someone told me this and it's so true. if the parents are happy with the tradeoffs they've made, there's not a lot of working mother guilt if your kids are happy. i found as ted and i, we communicate a lot and as we've made decisions about the tradeoffs we've made, our kids are happy because they know the
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kids are happy. >> so ted comes home and says i'm going to run for u.s. senate and he runs and wins. then a day came in the future where he came and said i have other great idea, i'm going to run for president. how did that conversation go? >> it was so interesting, megyn. when you're doing something for your spouse only and you feel like you've already done a lot for your spouse, ted has been so supportive of me. but you think about those tradeoffs and i did feel a little itchy. we had just gone through a senate race. things were kind of settled. we were in the groove, our girls were young. and it hit me one day, if ted could even be a voice in this election for constitutional freedoms, for economic growth, and for greater security for our families, that we should be part of this. ted is just too talented to be out of the debate. >> when you're actually out on the campaign trail, we've heard donald trump and ted cruz. there's not a lot of love loss
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these days. he's taken to referring to ted as lying ted. how does that wash with you? >> one thing about ted, he always tells the truth. i think these attacks on character are a distraction. >> recently, donald trump sent out an unkind retweet about you comparing your appearance unfavorably to that of his wife, melania trump, who is a retired model. how did that first come to your attention? >> one great thing about me, megyn, is i don't tweet. i have an ability to completely ignore it and i think we have a pattern of behavior here that when donald trump is falling behind, it's interesting the timing oh of that was right before ted's sweep, sweeping victory in utah. >> that's a dodge. who told you about it and how it made you feel? >> you and my dear friend carly have been the object of some of
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donald's criticisms. but i know why we're running this race, it's not for donald trump, it's for the voters of this country. so it gives me a lot of strength and i have to honestly say it didn't impact me in the least. i have one job on this campaign, and that is to tell the voters who ted cruz is. when telling the truth about who your husband is, it's pretty easy. because i don't tweet, because i know what my job is on the campaign, and because i know that every time the trump campaign starts to lose, they throw in distractions. >> donald trump, in his defense, he was upset because he felt that his wife had been hit in a super pac ad that featured ed melania. >> our campaign never has engaged in personal destruction.
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it wasn't even a ted cruz pac. >> it was an anti-trump pac. >> and that pac attacked us. so i think that has been cleared. >> one last question on trump. he sent out a tweet threatening to spill the beans on you. do you know what that references? >> so many things that donald trump says and engages in have no basis in reality. i know my track record. i know my life record. didn't bother me a bit. i think a lot of things he says out there have no basis in reality and it's fallen ouf there. >> ted says there are no beans, but we have found out tonight there's soup and a lot of it. things have gotten unfortunate more than once in this campaign, including a nasty "national enquirer" story about ted engaging in extramarital affairs. he says it's absolutely false and went after the "national enquirer" and its publisher.
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do you want to comment? >> it's garbage. this is donald trump engaging in the politics of destruction when he's losing. these silly barbs and made up stories didn't not come out earlier in the campaign because he felt he was doing okay. >> for the record, trump has made clear he was not behind that report. he says he has nothing to do with it. although the report cites roger stone, who is a trump adviser at one time, he's no longer with the trump campaign in any official capacity. >> well, i have no doubt that these things are made up in a certain place for a certain reason. so we don't spend a lot of time talking about it on the campaign, because we still have 16 states to win. we have two long months. we're halfway through the calendar and more than halfway through the delegate count. >> what kind of first lady do you think you would be? >> as i described to my
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daughters, i had to tell them i would be telling them i would be taking a leave of absence and they asked what is the first lady? i said it is the wife of the president. and my daughter caroline said oh, mom, come on, what is a first lady? i said, well, it's an opportunity to serve alongside the president and do great things for others. so i think that i -- i would aspire to be a partner with ted but to do things for children, for entrepreneurship and school choice. but in a partnership format. >> you have a harvard mba, former bush administration official, devout christian, loving wife, loving mother. a lot of people are going to be saying, heidi cruz for office. will that ever happen? >> oh, no. i have one role in this campaign, that is to help ted win. i've reflected on that time in my life where i was trying to find the next chapter.
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it is such a messing to enjoy the part that you play at this time. i don't know what god has in store for me or our family in the future, but right now i feel very fulfilled. >> good for you. thank you for being here. >> thank you, megyn. we're taking your thoughts on that on facebook and on twitter. also tonight, we'll have a revealing look at what senator cruz was up to in college. hmm, what was up with this picture? check him out on the left. when his law professor joins us to dish why young mr. cruz was off the charts. in what way, alan dershowitz? and some critics are suggesting that secretary john kerry has set the stage for the united states to apologize for dropping the bomb on japan. we'll have more on that. but first, donald trump tonight is ramping up his fight with the rnc.
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breaking tonight. the rnc and donald trump ramping up a white hot fight over delegates. as we get a series of new polls suggests that a majority of republicans are now siding with donald trump in this fight. for weeks, mr. trump has argued that the candidate going into the july convention with the most delegates should become the gop nominee, even if he doesn't quite have a majority. but the party rules say a candidate must have a majority of delegates, period. now in the latest poll, 52% say if donald trump wins the most delegates, even if he falls short of that magic number, 1237, he should win the nomination. we asked a similar question in our fox news poll, and 59% agreed that the one with the most delegates should win. and in the latest bloomberg poll, a whopping 63% say the candidate with the most delegates should win, even if
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they don't have the majority. all of this comes as we've heard the gop should look around for a candidate that might be more popular than cruz or trump or kasich. and a name that gets mentioned a lot held a news conference to say, count me out. that was speaker of the house paul ryan. >> i simply believe that if you want to be the nominee for our party, to be the president, you should actually run for it. i chose not to do this. therefore, i should not be considered, period, end of story. i just think it would be wrong to go any other way. so let me say again, i am not going to be our party's nominee. >> brit hume is our fox news senior political analyst. great to see you. this is not letting up.
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trump and the rnc are really fighting it out, trump saying the system is rigged. he said they should have had elections in colorado instead of just delegates make the decisions. and that these are dirty tricksters, the rnc, and they should be ashamed of themselves. >> well, they're not dirty tricks, megyn, those are the rules. colorado is selecting its delegates basically the same way it selected its delegates the last time out. and the campaign that was more up to speed would have been all over that, and trump really didn't make a big effort in colorado at all. and cruz did. and the result is, cruz worked the system according to the rules, and he won fair and square. now, i certainly understand why donald trump was disappointed, but it's silly to claim that it's dirty tricks or illegal because it's not. >> it may not be illegal or dirty, but it's weird. see how it strikes people as
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weird that not a single voter went to the polls in colorado yet ted cruz won the state? >> in some places they have primaries and in some places they have caucuses, in some places they have a hybrid of the two or a state convention. this has been true for as long as i've been covering politics. >> but he didn't know. >> there are many more primaries than there ever used to be. it used to be these kind of state-level delegations were chosen by the party itself and kind of an internal process. and those were the delegates that went to the convention. the primaries are much more common now. but the states have autonomy. the republican national committee is not the place to complain about this. the states have the ability how to select their delegates. the party is really 50 state parties. >> what about this -- it's
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interesting, because the way it's looking now and the voting doesn't stop until june 7, no candidate will emerge with the magic number of delegates to sure the nomination on the first vote at this convention. trump could do it. he's pretty much the only one that could. you can see from those numbers that in a bloomberg poll, 64% of the republican party says he should get it. if he goes to that convention and doesn't have 1237 but he's got the most, he should just get it. what will it mean if he doesn't on that second ballot? >> well, megyn, it's understandable to me, the question almost answers itself. under the rules you have to have a majority. once we get to the convention and you're past the first ballot, the delegates are sovereign. it's up to them. it's not up to any party bosses. there are no party bosses worthy of the name. it's just not worked that way anymore. so the question is this, they're
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looking at a poll with a distinct majority saying trump ought to get it if he has the most delegates and they're going to be affected by that. but they're going to be looking at other polls such as general election polls, where you have not just republicans but everybody included, do not look good for donald trump. >> but you know his argument on that. >> i understand -- >> he has months to turn that around. >> i understand that. i know that. but he keeps saying that he's going to transform himself into this presidential figure. i mean, we're not talking about a candidate with sort of bad numbers on this. we're talking about a candidate with atrocious numbers. >> he's going to drive her negatives up, too. >> he will certainly try to do that, megyn.
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but hillary clinton is a known quantity. and people have pretty much made up their mind what they think about her. and broadly speaking, this is going to be a campaign of which the lesser of two evils is in play like you've never seen before. his negatives are terrible. and republicans in washington and around the state, they're looking at not just the white house, which many think is lost, they're worried about the senate, which they might lose even if they won the white house, and they're worried about the house of representatives. they're also looking at state level races where the candidate could really hurt them. so they'll say that trump ought to get it, but they're looking at polls that say if he does, they're in trouble. this is why we have nothing in store for the republicans but a train wreck. if trump doesn't get it, even though he has a distinct
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majority of the delegates, a lot of his people that might otherwise have voted republican will not. on the other hand, if he does get it, a lot of the independents and some democrats that republicans need to win, won't turn out for him either. so it looks like lose-lose. so that's what the delegates are going to be looking at. >> if that's true, why did paul ryan say i'm out, not a chance? >> well, because look, if it's lose-lose, why do you want to be in on that? >> can't he be the underdog coming in to save the day? >> no. megyn, it just doesn't work that way. it's possible, it's conceivable, that on some -- after a series of ballots in which neither trump or cruz can win, somebody who is already in the race, rubio or john kasich or somebody, might be turned to by the delegates. nothing like that has happened in a long time, but it is
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♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ . . . . . from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. >> well, as secretary of state john kerry wraps up a visit to japan, several critics are suggesting he may have set the stage for a united states' apology. trace gallagher explains why. trace? >> reporter: megyn, john kerry thinks president obama should
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visit her sheiroshima. the g-7 summit is in central japan next month. hiroshima is in western japan. while there reportedly is growing sentiment inside the white house for the president to make the trip, today the press secretary was noncommittal. listen. >> he obviously will be in japan for the g-7 summit there, and i don't know at this point whether or not any side trips will be on the president's itinerary. >> the white house is affair that a presidential visit would be interpreted as an afoly. many republicans believe in the early years of his term, president obama went on a world apology tour and followed up with a feckless foreign policy. the bombing of hiroshima killed 140,000 people, but many americans think it was a necessary evil to end world war ii and save the lives of
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thousands of u.s. troops. historians point out that america and allies gave japan ample opportunity to avoid the devastation. listen to harry truman on the day of the bombing. watch. >> it was to spare the japanese people from utter destruction, that the ultimatum of july 26th was issued at potsdam. their leaders rejected that ultimatum. >> reporter: 70 years laider, president obama would certainly use a trip to hiroshima as a symbolic gesture of nonnuclear proliferation, but at a time when north korea is pursuing nuclear policies underscoring the fact that's asia remains a volatile part of the world. megyn? >> trace, thank you. joining me with reaction, former republican candidate mike huckabee and former white house depp tir press secretary under president obama bill burton.
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good to see you both. bill, do you think is it likely that president obama will go and consider an apology and should he? >> well, for starters, this wasn't an apology by secretary kerry. they said it emphatically. secondly, i heard the president talk about the bravery and the courageousness of the men and women who won world war ii and i don't think he's going to apologize for winning that war. nuclear proliferation is an issue very important to him. that's why he's had an annual nuclear security summit. and there's not a lot of places that you can go and talk about the devastation that nuclear weapons can do than hiroshima. and i think that if the president goes there, it's an opportunity to talk about that. i don't think it's an apology. >> there was a wiki leaks leak
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in which president obama was already considering an apology, but the u.s. ambassador to japan said it's not a good idea. is it a good idea? >> it's a terrible idea, megyn. the reason he didn't do it in 2009, he issued about ten apologies in the first four months of his presidency, ten from everyone to europe, for guantanamo, to the muslim world. it was an embarrassment for america and maybe in eight years he's learned an apology for the things we've done to protect americans is inappropriate. we didn't start world war ii. pearl harbor was not our doing. the great reminder of what president truman said, it ended world war ii, it didn't just save countless thousands of american lives but thousands of lives of japanese people, as well. it was a horrible thing, but we don't need to apologize for it. japan needs to apologize for ever putting us in the position where he had to take drastic
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action to save as many as we could. >> even the thought of president obama going over there and visiting the hiroshima memorial where secretary kerry was, is controversial. nancy pelosi has gone, jimmy carter went after he left office, but no sitting president has gone. it's what happened there after the nuclear bomb was dropped. and there's a real question about if president obama goes there, he should tour this memorial and what messaged that send. >> i think the message it would send is that nuclear bombs cause devastation beyond anything else we've thought of and we ought to focus on getting rid of them. it's something that president ronald reagan wanted. the fact that conservatives are so far away from that central tenant of president reagan's nuclear strategy shows that they've come a long way since the days of their idealogical head. i think the president is serious
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about ending nuclear weapons and stopping their proliferation. and whether or not he goes to hiroshima, i think that is the case. but if he goes, i think it's obscene to say that he shouldn't honor the dead of the war, won that we won, frankly. >> governor huckabee, what the critics say is it lacks the context of why we had to drop those bombs. we didn't start world war ii. we got attacked. and we only dropped the bomb to stop the war. our president was saying, more people would have died if we hadn't done it. >> if president obama is really interested in stopping all nuclear capacity, then why on god's earth did we make the deal with iran? we know exactly where that's headed. and i just think it's disingenuous, to compare to the times of reagan when we had super powers like the soviet union and the united states. we certainly wanted to stop it. but now with nations like pakistan, nuclear armed.
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north korea, we have some rogue nations with their finger really on the button. and these folks aren't doing it for defensive purposes. there's nothing they're trying to defend. nobody wants toè:?rñivi']7dg]wí korea to eat lawn clippings with the rest of the people over there. so it's different world. >> there was some controversy in the democratic presidential race today because hillary clinton over the weekend went to this event they have in new york city. they do it all the time. and many mayors have gone, and in good humor embarrass themselves. this is why rudy giuliani dressed in drag. mayor de blasio showed up with hillary clinton and made a joke involving the term "cp," which is considered a slur, colored people. that's what that cp in this context means. just watch what happened. >> i just have to say, thanks for the endorsement, bill.
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took you long enough. [ applause ] >> sorry, hilly. i was running on cp time. >> i don't like jokes like that, bill. >> cautious politician time. >> so it was a play on words, they say it was scripted. lighten up, it was satire. bill burton, greg gut geld on "the five" says the left reaps what they sew. and they're going to have to live with it. your thoughts? >> look, i like bill deple blas i wanted him to be mayor. i just hate they had to drag
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hamilton into this. >> you know what they were saying? gutfeld said if this happened with a republican candidate, they would be calling lemar an uncle tom. they would be killing a republican who made a joke like this. >> and there would be demands for the mayor, if he were a republican, to state down for being a racist. look, let me just be fair, i don't think in all honesty, it was a racist joke. i think it was just a bad joke. but i kind of like the first amendment. i like freedom of speech. i even like it when people say offensive things. so if bill maher or anybody else wants to say something outrageous, rather than be so offended by it all, why not celebrate that we live in a country that we can do that without getting our tongues cut out. even if it's a terrible joke,
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so you taught ted cruz when he was a young whipper snapper. what was your impression of him? >> he came into my law school the first day with his left hand up. he challenged me with everything. he was one of the best students i ever had, because a student loves to be channeled. everything i said he disagreed with. i was against the death penalty, he's in favor. i was in favor of the exclusionary rule, he's against it. and he made such brilliant arguments i never had to play the devil's advocate. he had been a champion debater at princeton and he and his roommates sat next to each other. he was a black kid from jamaica, two of the most brilliant guys at harvard law school. and they had a team tag match. one guy finished, the other raised his hand. >> did you know what his politics were at the time? >> of course. i had no idea what his views were on social issues. we never talked about gay rights or a woman's right to choose,
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but on criminal justice and generally political issues, his politics were clear, principled, unwavering, and very intelligently presented. >> you said he was one of the smartest students you ever heard is. that true? >> it's true. i got a lot of criticism from my friends on the left saying why are you saying that? i'm a professor. i have to tell the truth about my students, even if i won't vote for him, i'm not going to change history and pretend that this brilliant student was anything else. zq7zñ+,/
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i'm gratified that now i think the world will see this was a baseless charge. i'm going to hopefully do good things, talk about my former students. >> it's just hell when somebody makes an allegation against you that eat nose true. great to see you, professor. also tonight, how a simple remark from george w. bush turned into a powerful lesson from one of the country's top from one of the country's top political journalists.
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i had to learn to love my boy for who he was. rather than what i wanted him to be. so says senior political columnist ron fournier in a
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beautiful, tear jerker of a new book "love that boy." what two presidents, eight road trips and my son taught me about a parent's expectations. ron, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> this is your son and your journey getting the know him. he has aspergers. >> yep. >> your wife said you're taking him on a road trip. time away and you're going to get out in the country with your son, bond with him, get him out there doing things that we thought were uncomfortable for him and we learned were unnatural. things like shaking hands or looking people in the eyes and modulating the voice. she called them road trips. i called them guilt trips. >> you talk about how your job is an ego inflating career and i put ahead of my wife and kids. what do you mean by that?
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>> well, look, we all love our kids very much and we all have dreams and expectations for them. there's nothing wrong with that but the problem is we have to be careful that we're not imposing our expectations on our kids and that it's becoming a prison for them. and, you know, sometimes trying to shape our kids we can be misshaping them and what i was doing with tyler. i thought the only way to connect is if he loves sports the way i did and my dad did. he doesn't like sports and took a while to figure out i have to bend to him. >> when you go through and we'll do two things and then continue in the break and post it on the facebook. but you talk about just the soul crushing moments where you had these expectations of him and then you realized that they said the worst things about yourself which forced you to grow and have a different attitude towards him. >> yeah. there's a time we were waiting to have a picture taken with barack obama and walking up tyler practicing, hello, mr. president, hello, mr. president. >> i'll stand
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well, there isn't a dry eye in the house here. we just finished up with "love that boy." buy it now. tonight, the countdown to the new york primary's on and the republican race is heating up. >> he does not like new york and he does not like the people of new york. >> donald trump has been supporting liberal democratic politicians for 40 years. >> former new york city mayor and rick perry weigh in. then -- >> we have a rigged system. >> donald has been yelling and screaming. >> donald trump and ted cruz feud over the results of the colorado gop state convention. >> it's a fix. >> a lot of whining. >> trump's convention manager is


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