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harris: a fox news alert. we are awaiting a news conference to begin right on the 7th floor of the f.b.i. headquarters. as that takes place with director james comey we'll bring it to you live. authorities are searching for exactly why, what was behind 29-year-old omar man teen going on a killing rampage inside an orlando nightclub. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. with me is sandra smith,
jedediah by l bila, lisa kennedd adam inzinger. -- kinzinger. harris: as we await remarks from the f.b.i. chief we are learning more about the unimaginable hours of terror inside the pulse nightclub in orlando. survivors who managed to get away describing the horror and chaos as the gunman methodically shot people one after another. family members rushed to the scene hoping against all odds their loved ones would be the ones to make it out alive. >> you turn around and the person next to you is screaming. i didn't know if it was minor
somebody else's. when i got out i realized it wasn't mine. >> he was texting me and calling me. he told me the shooter was in the women's bathroom hostage and was going to die. harris: that woman's son would not be among the survivors. bill hemmer joins us from orlando. bill: the f.b.i. director's press conference will be illuminating. it's been five hours since anyone of authority has spoken on this. it's my sense after hearing from the f.b.i. this morning after talking about a great amount of electronic evidence, you have to think this investigation is in overdrive, especially when you consider that he has been on a terror watchlist and was taken off of it. he was questioned by the f.b.i. in 2013.
he was questioned by the f.b.i. the following year for the alleged connection he had with the first american who below himself up in syria. what happened between 2014 and now? that's a gap and a period we need answers for. that's what we are waiting for with answers from james comey in washington. harris: you talked with governor scott there. is there a sense today they are building toward more clarity about this man? we are learning things as far back as high school. "the washington post" report that classmates remember him jumping up and down on the day of 9/11. this moon has a history that goes beyond his trips to saudi arabia in 2000. bill: the trips to saudi arabia in 2011 and 2012.
prick scott had a very human reaction -- rick scott had a very human reaction to this. he said my daughters are 31 and 34 years old. and they go out on saturday night. it could have been his daughters or anyone. whether it was boston or fort hood, chattanooga or san bernardino. now it has come to orlando. so many of us as americans think it won't happen in our town. but this is what orlando is dealing with. it rips your heart out. there are at least 20 still in the hospital wounded from the shooting on saturday night. five now are listed in grave danger, harris. they need all of our support. sandra: we know from the news conference you covered this morning is their mission is to reach out to all next of kin. as you stand there, bill, you
can clearly see emergency response vehicles behind you. what is the investigation like right now at that nightclub as they try to analyze and track down every shot that was fired in that building? bill: it's rare that you see so much law enforcement out and such a show of force. all of orange avenue has been shut down. it's the sheriff's department. the white vans behind me. it's sheriff investigative units gathering evidence and trying to piece this together. the drug enforcement agents are here, the f.b.i. is here. it's a story that's still oh active. we are only 36 hours into this. if you think about boston or paris in november when i was covering that from the french capital. it is in these early hours that there is so much we do not know. we had no idea these guys went
to chechnya. imagine that as you look back on it. it was five days before we could even identify them. i don't know what we are about to uncover but it will tell us a lot about what happened. kennedy: we know isis has been targeting gaze sense the beginning of ramadan. what are law enforcement telling us they are doing to protect themselves and beef up protection? bill: it's a great question. i don't have an answer because i have not heard from private businesses on that. if you look at the incremental changes in america. every time we have a terrorist attack we change as a country. think about the airports. we are still trying to figure that out. you will see a greater urgency
for laws. it's our new reality as a nation. reporter: jedediah here, bill. you are on the ground there. i want to know what you see in the community. you saw people rushing to donate blood and a coming together that inspired the nation. what is the sense you have being on theground that you see from people who went through so much. bill: i believe they react as americans. they react and respond just like the u.s. military members on fort hood. i believe they have react and respond like the people of boston, what a great town to carey on its traditions and sense of family. '. i would expect even though it's early here in orlando, to get a very similar reaction. harris: we are joined with our
hashtag on#oneluckyguy, congresn kinzinger. >> bill, you are talking about the community and what it feels like. is there a coming together or sense of anger people saying how did this happen and do you take the fight to them or is it coping with the human tragedy we saw it to it as lightly as you can. bill: the question, how do we react to it? what do we do. you think about all the terrorist attacks that had been carried out. they had popped up. their lives had been highlighted. they were on a watchlist or they had had an interview with the f.b.i. or local police. we knew about them still we were not able to stop them. why is that? is that because wow system is failing? is that because the terrorists changed their ways? and oftentimes go dark in social
media? therefore you no longer have the opportunity to trace them and see where they are coming from. in paris and brussels they were using smart phones one time and tossed into the garbage can and moved on to the next item. how difficult is that for law enforcement. it's damn near impossible if you ask me. now we have hundreds of thousands to track. i don't know what the answer is. but orlando is feeling the same pain so many areas in this country have felt. who is going to do something about it? i would argue we had it cornered in sadr city in 2007. but now it's syria and western iraq and very skin 7,000 isis fighters in libya today. we took the top off that boiling pot. and now we are left to catch up.
that's a significant challenge. harris: a point of irony of omar mateen running for president of afghanistan. there are pictures of him in the u.s. state department as he runs for office. and you are talking about that very country, that boiling pot, afghanistan. bill hemmer, we'll see you again at 3:00 p.m. eastern. bill: we'll have a briefing in a couple minutes. harris: i want to go a couple places with this. can we hear from his dad? there are some things that have come out in the last hour i think we probably want to talk about. omar mateen's father said this about what happened. let's watch. >> if i did know 1% he is committing such a crime i would have called the f.b.i., i would have called the local law enforcement. i don't know why he did what he did.
i wasn't aware of it. and i always paid attention that he got a high education in the united states of america, and i thank you all for coming in here and i'm sorry and very upset that he did what he did inside the united states. harris: president obama said draw upon your angels. i'm feeling a different reaction. "the washington post" is saying as many as 15 years ago they knew this kid had a problem. on 9/11 omar mateen's classmates were mourning as they watched video and he was jumping up and down. to say that radicalization had not happened before. we at least need to question it. how long was this person a red flag among us. >> there is what i call a short target and long target in winning this war. the long target is destroying isis where they exist.
but the short target is we have to lift the veil of political correctness in this country. it doesn't mean you can hurl insults, but you have a lot of cases where people are scared to go to the f.b.i. or scared to report suspicious behavior because they are afraid they will be labeled as a bigot or racist. the shooters in california. neighbors saw there was some crazy stuff they were up to. you have to be able to take that to law enforcement about retribution. in a few cases you are going to be right. we need to develop the intelligence assets within the community that can -- harris: you are saying the muslim community. >> there is always talk about blanket statement. in order to develop human intelligence you have to develop people within the community that maybe were radicalized and saw the light or they will do it for money.
or you see bomb plots and destroy the caliphate where it exists in syria. because these guys aren't going to have anything to swear allegiance to when it's destroyed by a bunch of marines. we are going to have to many cop together to do it. we have too many people with a political agenda. harris: we are awaiting a briefing from the f.b.i. director james comey and one from the white house. president obama would not use the word radical islamic terrorism in his remarks after the massacre. ambassador john bolton joins us next to tell us why he sees the president's response is a hook problem on the war on terror. with my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind.
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listen to part of what president obama said in the last hour. >> it appears that the shooter was inspired by various ebb realist information that was difficult accept night over the internet. at this stage we see no clear evidence that he was directed externally. it does appear that at the last minute he announced allegiance to isil. but there is no evidence so far that he was in fact directed by them there is no direct evidence he was part of a larger plot. sandra: let's bring in ambassador john bolton, former ambassador to the u.n. you wrote this op-ed criticizing the president for not calling the enemy by it name, radical islamist terrorism.
you are also criticizing the use of the term "lone wolf" attack. what did you mean by that? >> i think the president is determined to avoid the fundamental reality which is we are facing a political ideology that has utter contempt for our system, our constitutional system. this is not another instance of a self-radicalizing terrorist. somebody with medical problems, a lone wolf. all of these isolated unrelated incident that occur across the united states and europe. these are people motivated by the same political ideology. they may be motivated and operationallized in different ways. they may not be specifically directed by people at isis global headquarters. isis isn't a corporation with a group of men sitting around in suits and ties.
the president's unwillingness of the general he luck answer to face up to the reality. i thought this press appearance today was pathetic. i thought it reflected a complete lack of leadership. 49 innocent americans are dead and 53 wounded. some grievously. where is the president's leadership? his responsibility is to protect the you'd against foreign threats and i think that's what this is fundamentally and he's not demonstrating a willingness to do it again. harris: if you rip off the word "orlando" and insert "paris" or belgium, you can stick up images that look like that crime scene. this is something we have seen in other countries.
i remember you saying after the first paris attacks, "charlie hebdo," you said our president missed such an important moment to stand with france. there will be a day when they will have to stand with us. we heard from hollande this morning, the president of france 37. france. where are the muslim leaders from around that region? maybe they are having private conversations with the president, but where are they? >> i think they are in the shadows. this isn't going to change because other people around the world take a leadership role. it's our responsibility. we are the ones ultimately most in peril. others are in peril, too, and they need to be part of our effort to destroy isis. the president himself is saying we need to degrade and ultimately destroy isis. where the president failed is
the word ultimately. because ultimately means there will be a period of time where isis can continue to plan and inspire terrorist acts around the world and innocent civilians will die. that is unacceptable. there is no justification for a slow pace. it's the president's failure to pull together the international coalition to do what's necessary to stop isis not just in iraq and syria, but where it has spread elsewhere in the world. and it's his fault for 7 1/2 years in not understanding this is a war against terrorism. we are not in the law enforcement paradigm. we are in the paradigm of war. that's the way the terrorists are acting. because of that we'll seal more dead americans sadly. kennedy: ambassador bolton this is kennedy. with all due respect i take issue with you saying this is not about mental illness and this is not a lone wolf attack
because we don't have the facts in. you rightly state isis is not a nation state it's not run in a hierarchy for us to understand it's very diffuse and post-modern. how can killing an enemy that diffuse overseas, how does that negate people in this country who self-radicalize. where is the correlation between killing people overseas. >> i don't agree with the concept of self-radicalization. this is not spontaneous combustion that mateen was a normal teen one day and the next day he's self-radicalized. he had contact with the imam in his mosque. during the malls kerr he called 911 and declared his allegiance to isis.
obviously we don't know all the facts. but that's the point of the kind of ideology we see sat work here. we have seen historical parallels to this. in europe after world war i. socialists, communists, a an anarchists stepped in. >> good afternoon. thank you all for being here today. we are here to discuss the justice department's response to the stung and unconscionable acts in orlando. our hearts are broken for the losses the people of orlando have suffered and our thoughts and prayers continue two their families and loved ones. the full resources of the departments of justice which includes the f.b.i., the atf,
the national security office and the u.s. attorney's office in the middle district of georgia are all supporting the ongoing investigation. our agents and investigators have been on the ground since the very beginning and working around the clock and will continue to do so in the days ahead. i want to thank our law enforcement colleagues in florida and their dedication to the ongoing investigation. i have been in contact with the attorney general who is currently on her way back from china and continues to monitor developments in the case. words can't express the depths of our sorrow or measure of our grief for losses suffered by those and lives that have been changed joar ever. what happened in orlando yesterday was a horrifying act, a horrifying act of evil and terror. for the lgbt community, pulse was more than just a place to go
and celebrate and see friends. it was a place that promised inclusion and freedom to be themselves. the same promise our country holds for everyone. this was an attack on that promise it was an attack on our values as a country and national community. sit was an attack on who we are as a nation and as a people. and our country as a home stands united in response to this cowardly and despicable act. with this i'll turn things over to director comey who will provide additional details on where we are in the investigation. >> i want to echo what the deputy attorney general said just now. our hearts are broken and ache feermt who were lost? orlando. those wounds and their families. we are so sorry for your loss and your suffering. i also wants to say a word of thanks and express admiration for the work of local law
enforcement in orlando. they showed professionalism and extra ordinary bravery.we are ls of service in law enforcement. and i want to say thanks to the people who rendered care at the scene. the nurlss, the docs, the emts and the ordinary citizens who stopped to help family and friends. as you know, this is a federal terrorism investigation led by the f.b.i. with the assistance as we always do of our state, local and federal partners. the reason for that is there are strong indications of radicalization by this killer and a potential inspiration by foreign terrorist terrorist organizations. we are spending a tremendous amount of time trying to understand every moment of this killer's path to that terrible night in orlando to understand
his motives and details of his life. i am not using the killer's name and i will try not to do that. part of what motivates sick people to do this sort of thing is some twisted notion of fame or glory, and i don't want to be part of that for the sake of victims or their families. so what i want to do is give you a sense of what we know so far and tell you as much as i can about our past contact with the killer. we are going through the killer's life, especially his electronics to understand as much as we can about his path and whether there was anyone else involved in directing him or in assisting him. so far we see no indication this was a plot directed from outside the united states, and we see no indication he was part of any kind of network. it's also not entirely clear just what terrorist group he aspired to support.
though he knead clear his affinity at the time of the attack tore isil and generally leading up to the attack for radical islamist groups. he made 911 calls from the club during the attack at 2:30 in the morning sunday morning. there were three different calls. he called and he hung up. he called again and spoke briefly with the dispatcher. then he hung up. then the dispatcher called him back again and they spoke briefly. there were three total calls. during the calls he said he was doing this for the leader of is i will who he named and pledged loyalty to, by also claimed solidarity with the perpetrators of the boston bombing and a man to died in syria with al-nusra. the bombers in the boston
marathon and the al-nusra syrian bomber were not inspired by isil. the attack occurred when we recognize and sell brace our lgbt brothers and sisters. it's early. we are working hard to understand the killer and his motives and his sources of inspiration. but we are highly confident this killer was radicalized and at least in some part through the internet. so that's what we have been doing. now let me tell you what i can about the f.b.i.'s prior contact with the killer. we first became aware of him in may of 2013. he was work as a contract security guard at a local courthouse and he made some statement that were inflammatory and contradictory that concerned his co-workers about terrorism. first he claimed family connections to al qaeda.
he also said he was a member of a shiia terrorist organization, hes boa which is an enemy of the islamic state isil. he said he hoped the f.b.i. would raid his apartment and assault his wife and child so he could martyr himself. we attempted to determine if he was a terrorist. something we do in hundreds of cases all across the country. our investigation involved introducing confidential sources to him, recording conversations with him, following him, reviewing transactional record from his communications, and searching all of government holdings for any possible connections, any possible derogatory information. we then interviewed him twice. he admitted making misstatement his co-workers reported but said
he did tonight anger because he felt his co-workers were discriminating against him and teasing him because he was muslim. after 10 months of investigation we closed the preliminary investigation. two months later the killer's name surfaced in an indirect way. our miami office was investigating the man who blew himself up for the al-nusra front in syria. we learned the killer knew him casually from attending the same months income that area of florida. but our investigation turned up no ties of any consequence between the two of them. one witness told us when asked do you know anybody else who might be radicalizing that he had once again concerned about the killer but the killer mentioned al-awlaki video.
but the witness said he later got married, had a child and was work as a security guard and he was no longer concerned about him. we determined that he did not have any contacted with the suicide bombern of al-nusra. we'll continue to look forward and backward in this investigation. we'll leave no stone unturned and we'll work all dane all night to understand the path to that terrible night. we are also going to look hard at our own work to see if there is something we should have done differently. the honest answer is i don't think so. i don't see anything in reviewing our work that our agents should have done differently. we'll look at it in an open and honest way and be transparent about it. our work is very challenging. we are looking for needles in a nationwide haystack.
but we are also called upon to determine which pieces of hay may some day become needles. we'll also do our best to be transparent about what we find going forward, consistent with our need to do an investigation in a good way. but we'll tell you as much as we possibly can. let me close by something i said before. we know this killing is upsetting to all americans. we hope that our fellow americans will not let fear become disabling. because that's what these aftere savages want. who hope you will channel it into something more positive, an awareness of our surroundings. and the seeking of opportunities to help your fellow americans as we saw by the lines americans giving blood in orlando. if you channel our anger into that awareness you can live the
full life this great country offers you. if you see something, tell us so we can look at it. in every single one of our cases when we look back, somebody always sees something they should have told us and they didn't. please don't let them make you work into a state of anxiety that's disabling. we'll keep you posted on what we learn from doing our work. thank you very much. harris: there you have the f.b.i. director james comey joined by the a.g. deputy sally yates. what we didn't hear obviously are questions from the journalists in that room. we were told they will not be taking questions. we come back out to discuss it. congressman, we learned about the phone calls that happened that night. we learned about the radicalized element in all of this and what they are looking at. and we learned that at least for
comey, no more using the name. these imies are seeking -- these guys are seeking glory, we are not going to give it to them. >> when you use their name and so their picture, you are encouraging other people that's are basically together same thing to say i can become famous. but is there more the f.b.i. can do? this is something the f.b.i. need to and can figure out. but to an earlier point about why taking out people overseas-stop this at home. when the chicago bulls are doing really well, everybody those on a bulls jersey. when isis, al-nusra, all these front look like they are being successful. somebody prone to jihaddism is more likely to take that step. if they are taught this is the coming of the new caliphate. if that caliphate is destroyed by the west and our people in the remember, they will have
nothing to sell. these people who are prone to radicalization. harris: it's been a couple years. is it too late? >> it's not too late, but it's absolutely late. kennedy: what about displacing the taliban in afghanistan, a place you fought. what about the inure jones of the -- the resurgence of the taliban. then isis pops up. >> we had taliban, died, aqi, we had them on the ropes he i left afghanistan this war was over. but the problem is we want to do something then get away and leave. you can't do that. the cold war, it took us 50 years to win a war of idea. this is a battle that takes generations and ultimately some shooting.
kennedy: shooting is not a replacement for the ideology. that's what is looking. that is still going to create more vacuums and that ideology foments further. >> it's a short-term fight. the long-term fight is to win the war on idea. harris: let's talk more about that with ambassador bolton. we are fortunate to have a congressman and ambassador here. i want you gentlemen to kind of talk to each other. you are talking about the immediacy of war and the long reach of trying to turn the ship around in terms of ideology. ambassador, how do you get there? >> internationally and domestically you need a political and forceful response. if you use force, whether it's in afghanistan or as we did in iraq or as we are doing now against isis, even though the president says there are no boots on the ground. that we are just creating more
of a problem. you kill people, then more people come in. when we show we are determined to eradicate that threat it does have a psychological effect on others. when the united states is perceived as unwilling to pay the price, the radicals and the terrorists take heart. we are a long way from john kennedy saying we were willing to pay any price and meet any burden. that's the price it took to win the cold war. this is the third ideological war we have faced in our lifetimes. if we don't recognize as an ideological struggle it will get worse, not better. sandra: you were listening to f.b.i. director james comey confirming there was strong
radicalization. what stuck out from what we heard from the f.b.i.? >> i thought that was the most forth right statement we have had from a leader of the administration to date. but let's not shy away from the problem. you have to treat the american people like adults. they have just seen 49 of their fellow citizens killed. they want to know it won't happen to them. they want to know we are doing what the government's first responsibility is, which is protecting the people against this. so i don't think there is anything wrong with people being angry and outraged by this. i think it's a mark of the failure of the president's leadership that he was so utterly dispassionate. it brought to mind michael dukakis's famous pans when he said he was opposed to the death
penalty and was asked how would you feel about the death penalty if your wife were murdered. it demonstrated to the american people he didn't have normal human emotions. >> when we left iraq, when we did the surge, it showed a strong force that we were going to win. we were there and determined to win. when we left it was the opposite message. harris: ambassador we'll see you tomorrow. as we get more details about what happened in orlando. questions popping up about what to do with terrorists' focus on so-called soft targets. is there any way to protect against this? it's on all my mobile devices, so it suits my mobile lifestyle. and it keeps my investments fully mobile... even when i'm on the move. sign up at etrade.com and get up to six hundred dollars.
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following the san bernardino massacre, in an echo from that one of mateen's fellow co-workers said he complained about mateen's extremist statements. let's bring in mike baker, a former cia covert operator. welcome back to "outnumbered." so, mike, let's talk about this. it's scary for a lot of people just now traveling and trying to enjoy the young summer months, going to clubs, going to malls. how can soft targets protect themselves? >> it's tough. this is the issue we have been worried about for a long time.
when we were game out how to prevent future attacks, it's always been the top of the concerns with sporting events and clubs because of the difficulties involved. we could lock things down more than we do. but there is always a trade-off. whether you are talking about how do we allow the bureau to do more aggressive investigation or talking about protecting a soft target. there is a trade-off between additional security and your civil liberties, your freedom of movement and your privacy. there are ways to protect a club or shopping center, but i don't know that people are willing perhaps in that short window, but in th -- in the longrun thee not willing to live in a world like that.
sandra: james comey said he didn't think the fine could have done anything more to prevent this. the killer was under investigation in 2013 and 2014. could there be the possibility of more aggressive investigating on behalf of the f.b.i.? is that's what's needed to stop and prevent this killer from getting through those f.b.i. investigations and on to this? >> the short answer is question. director comey i believe is correct. i suspect we'll find the bureau did within the laws established by congress, because of the will of the people and because this desire to find a balance between privacy, civil liberties and security. the bureau acts within those boundaries. so they have restrictions about when they can open an active case and how long they can carry out an investigation. so they do what they can within the parameters that are set. if we want to become more
aggressive in trying to prevent future attacks such as this. then we are going to have to expand the playing field for the bureau and law enforcement so they have more running room. >> i was just going to say, i was wondering if there will be backlash now. i have often argued for the protection of civil liberties. i listened to comey's speech and it bothered me. it seemed like they had a lot of information to then let it go. do you think there will be backlash. maybe some of the people out there always calling for civil liberties protection may rethink their stand. >> you are right and it's a great point. nothing happens in a bubble. every time there is an attack we see the pendulum swinging back. the past couple years what's happened. there has been more of a demand
if for privacy and an effort to take away some of the infrastructure for counter-terrorism that we had been putting in place since 9/11. everybody is tired of the war on terror. there hadn't been a horrific attack of this nature. the natural tendency is to say we don't need it. the the pendulum goes back in favor of privacy and security. after something like this. this more calls for additional security. but people are fickle. and we have short attention spans. it won't be long before people move on to something else. kennedy: the f.b.i. has just been given more power surveillance, and somewhere calling for greater congressional oversight of the f.b.i. mike, we always appreciate your insight. thank you so much. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. it takes technology, engineering and coordination to hit the perfect shot.
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we'll be talking gun control. how quickly this conversation for the president of the united states yesterday turned to the united states of gun control. >> immediately. this is terrorism. terrorism need to be destroyed. we can have gun debates later. let's focus on destroying isis and the people that do this. harris: if you look at their violent footprint around the world. yes they have guns, but they have explosives, too. >> if you look at boston, they had pressure cookers. >> in an home factory a man beheaded his co-workers and was stopped by the ceo who had a rifle and shot and killed him before he could hurt any more people. >> it need to be stopped and that's what we need to be focused on. harris: congressman kinzinger,
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