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silver, a young swimmer from singapore tying out the top medals. back in the pool tonight it could be the final swim of his legendary career that is must-see tv for sure. that is all for us. have a great day and a great weekend. weekend. i want to jump start america. and it can be done. and it won't even be that hard. our opposition, on the other hand, has long ago run out of ideas. all hillary clinton has to offer is more of the same more taxes, more regulations. more bureaucrats. more restrictions on american energy and on american production. more of that. if you were a foreign power looking to weaken america you could not do better than hillary
clinton's economic agenda. >> welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul gigot. and that was donald trump in unveiling his economic plan. we'll take a look at the democrat's economic plan, on thursday in michigan hillary clinton unveiled her proposals attacking trump along the way and suggesting that his ideas would trigger a recession. >> when it comes to creating jobs i would argue it's not even close. even conservative experts say trump's agenda will pull our economy back into recession. by contrast, the same analysts found that with our plans the economy would create more than
10 million new jobs. >> joining the panel this week, wall street journal columnist and deputy editor dan henniger and james freeman, member of the editorial board, joe rago. mary, what was your number one takeaway the most important thing you took away from the clinton economic agenda in her speech? >> i think the most important thing was what i did not hear was that she did not talk about growth or productivity, which is really what is missing in this economy. >> she talked about jobs. >> well, that is different, though, she talked about if government could get more taxes from rich people and deploy it the way she thinks important that somehow you could create what i would call demand-side spending and that when the consumers go out to spend it would boost the economy. of course that is a ridiculous equation. and it's not like it has not been tried before. i mean obama had the stimulus and we didn't get anything out of it and now she just wants to double down on it. >> okay, she says she wants to
spend $275 billion this infrastructure spending, roads, bridges, this kind of thing that will put people to work. and a lot of americans say yeah sure government is putting people to work what is wrong with that? >> well, first of all, what we learned from infrastructure spending, shovel-ready is because it doesn't work. that is not how capitalists deploy in a way that is productive. in other words increases the productivity that is the output per hour. which is what raises wages. >> but can it not increase productivity if it's for the right infrastructure? for a bridge for example, that eases traffic congestion over the hudson river. >> well, i think it's a bit of a fantasy to think it will happen. when we look at regulation and the way that capitalism is deployed.
markets deploy them to their highest uses which is one reason you have the gains in the free market. i would also add, paul, of the 10 million jobs she says she will create about 7 million of them will be created in the next ten years whether there is a change in the law or not. so she is fudging the numbers there a little bit to make it look like she had great jobs creating program. >> and james, trump v clinton, what did you see? what are the differences trump is trying to drive with clinton? >> well, i think this is the difference that can win in the election. it's the difference between her speech which was discouraging to job creators and his, which is encouraging. >> okay, we talked about the infrastructure spending. but where are the differences? is it on taxes -- >> taxes are a huge difference, what he is saying is i'm going to make it much cheaper and
easier to invest in the united states. he says i'm going to change the tax rules, lower the rate, allow you to immediately expend capital investments. when you build a new factory, buy a new machine, much easier, cheaper to do that now. what she is saying is i'm going to tax you more and punish you if you try to leave the united states for a lower tax jurisdiction. he says it's basically the opposite message. i think this is the key issue, and it's why we've seen business investment declining three straight quarters just like productivity, that is the big issue, he is talked on it. she is not. >> what i heard was on trade for example, the two of them are not all that different. i mean hillary clinton has gone really -- really moved quite a ways toward trump on trade. i heard her say she is going to appoint a trade prosecutor, a new position in the government
to go after foreign imports. and apply tariffs if need be. >> yeah, and she also mentioned currency manipulation, the only other place we heard that was in donald trump's speeches. she talked about infrastructure donald trump has talked at great length about investing in infrastructure. this is reflecting something we talked about often, paul, which is when you start talking about things like infrastructure spending or getting tough on trade or tax credits. and there were enough tax credits in that hillary clinton proposal to make saul linsky dance in the streets or wherever he is right now in the circle of hell. and there is no way you can top them. the only way you can compete is by sort of explaining how the private sector is going to work. and she just has nothing in there for the private sector other than perhaps as she said infrastructure banks which would unleash the private sector. >> joe, one of the things she
talked about was her ability to get along with members of both parties and congress and would be able to push this through. that is addressing the problem if she does win, probably the republicans will still hold the house. not guaranteed, but at least still hold the house. is it plausible she will be able to do much of what she proposes? >> no, unless she does it through regulation, the same way obama has. hillary clinton is basically running on an obama-plus economic agenda. it's the last eight years, only more so. so i don't think you're going to see a republican house assuming last past november, going along with this. so i think we're going to see more of the same gridlock. if you're voting for hillary clinton, it's four more years.
trump is definitely a risk, but there is a possibility it could be better. >> and she is banking really on a democratic congress. >> yeah, she is certainly running well to the left of obama, looking for a sweep has made no concessions to the center at all. >> all right, everyone stand by, when we come back trump adviser steve moore joins me to break down the gop nominee's economic proposals. crabfest is on at red lobster so come dive into dishes like the new alaska bairdi crab dinner with sweet crab from the icy waters of alaska. or try crab lover's dream with tender snow and king crab legs. love crab? then hurry, crabfest ends soon. what if one piece of kale could protect you from diabetes? what if one sit-up could prevent heart disease? one. wishful thinking, right? but there is one step you can take to help prevent another serious disease. pneumococcal pneumonia. if you are 50 or older one dose of the prevnar 13® vaccine can help protect you from
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earlier this week, republican nominee donald trump revealed his economic proposal to reshape the american tax system. trump's plan now includes three tax brackets ss instead of four limits taxes on income and limits the state tax. steve, good to have you with us. what do you think is the biggest growth driver in the trump plan? >> well, i just want to hammer a point that james freeman made that i think is really critical. if donald trump can be disciplined enough for the next 90 days to talk about the economy, jobs, taxes and energy and not talk about who started isis. and you know mormons and so on
-- >> he will win this race. >> what do you think the chances are, steve? >> well, he has to be much more disciplined. this week was supposed to be the economy week. and this is where hillary is so vulnerable. now, our plan is a plan that you all at the wall street journal editorial page are going to love. you know, we have some of the steepest tax cuts since ronald reagan was in office and as you know it is what happened in the house under speaker paul ryan. so that is really a good part of it. 15% business tax is the part of the plan where you can contrast where hillary is where her speech she is 50%, so 15 versus 50 we think that is a huge job creator. >> i want to take you to a question, the tax foundation scored the original trump proposal has a $10 trillion money loser over ten years.
now, you guys are saying we're going to take it down to $3 trillion if you include growth. but what i did hear donald trump talk about shifting rates, but i didn't hear the flip side of that which is what deductions will you remove which makes this plan cost less and also makes the tax code more efficient by taking out loopholes. i didn't hear a lot about that. >> so paul, what we did is take another page out of the editorial board, and we said let's put a cap, like warren buffet and bill gates and others will lose their deductions. so as you get your millionaire and billionaire you won't be able to take your gigantic loopholes and writeoffs. and i learned that at the wall street journal. >> i didn't hear that from donald trump on monday and didn't hear from him specifically. will he come out and endorse it? >> yeah he endorsed a cap.
the specifics will come out in the next couple of weeks. by the way, let's not nitpick here. this is a campaign, not a ways and means committee, seriously, this is a big picture thing. we want to cut taxes and give relief to financially stressed out families. but there is another component that you all did not mention. every meeting i have been to with donald trump he brings it up. this is the regulatory squeeze, think about this paul, this is the guy who built buildings in new york city. this is a man who knows about regulation and the impediments that can be put up. i think he may be right that the regulatory structure may be an impact. take for example the 15 worker rule under obama care. if you get rid of that you will have a lot more employment in this country. >> so are there any particular regulations that he aimed at. he predicted a moratorium, but
you know, steve, this last two years the obama administration is moving major rule after major rule through the economy. and those are playing out in a way that it's going to slow growth. is he willing to stop those that are already moving? >> yeah, what we talked about. i think this is something he should hammer home because it's a first-day agenda. you remember when ronald reagan became president. remember his first day in office, paul, he signed executive orders that repealed the price controls on energy. it was a huge driver for the economy. i think we could place literally 50 executive orders on donald trump's desk first day in office. mostly just repealing those regulations that barack obama has put in place for the last two years. for example, nfib regulations that are really stopping franchises and -- things like that. so yes. absolutely. >> all right, so i have to ask you, steve, and this is a place where we have disagreed with
donald trump and that is on trade. and as i listened to mr. trump over the last months, it seems the policy he cares most about hammers all the time are these trade deals. and it doesn't seem to me if you impose tariffs on the border, which is a tax on border and goods that that will increase growth and raise prices in fact, for consumers. >> well, this is an area i disagree with donald trump. i'm a free trader and adam smith guy. but he does make a point. i think the trade deals could be renegotiated in ways that could be making sure there is not cheating or stealing. one thing he made in the speech one thing we free traders ignore is that china and other asian countries are stealing our technology, paul, what we produce in the united states is intellectual property, whether it is consumer software or vaccines. a lot of companies are stealing from us and maybe we need a
tougher negotiator to make sure it does not happen. >> as you know, steve, intellectual property, i agree with you on it. that is important, but that is called theft. not called a tariff at the border. not called a voluntary stage of goods, that is a different proposition, and i don't think most americans -- anybody i know would say let's not enforce theft. laws against theft. but it's different when you raise tariffs. >> yeah, but paul, we're letting countries get away with it. and trump is saying when i'm sitting at the negotiating table saying look if you keep stealing we'll put perhaps tariffs or other restrictions on your ability to come into our markets. look, donald trump is a master negotiator, he wrote a book best seller "art of the deal." i'm a free trader, but i believe
maybe having somebody at the negotiating table who is a little tougher could win deals. >> energy, i know, he is going to open up energy, we supported that. i don't disagree with that. but thank you, steve. >> i hope we got your support now. don't be so tough on us. >> when we come back, the e-mail scandal plaguing hillary clinton is back and raising the questions on state department's ties to the clinton foundation. i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you.
what came out yesterday reported today, right? for play. called -- you're not allowed to do it. it's illegal. it's illegal. >> all right, james, what was your big takeaway from this week? what do we learn that we didn't know-mails? >> well, i think we got more confirmation as to why hillary clinton didn't want this stuff to get public, why she hid these e-mails. and basically it's as bad as we thought. it's fortune donors, very shady fortune donors giving money to
the clinton foundation and then getting favors from the clinton-run state department. >> what kind of favors? >> well, for example, gilbert shigori, close pal of iranian dictator he would often jail his political opponents and often kill them. >> but that is not shigori? >> no, what he was nailed for all the money he had gotten for the -- from the dictator had to give it back. what he got, for giving money to the clintons. clinton foundation aides contact hillary's aides at the state department and they immediately went to work to try to make it happen. they won't tell us what happened from there. we don't know the extent of the
favors. what we can see on the e-mails is makeing efforts to help the clinton donor. >> look, we hear that has nothing to do with secretary clinton because it involves an aide of her husband's and the clinton foundation, so she is ab solved from any responsibility from this. how plausible is that defense? >> yeah i'm really glad you raised that. because that is one line that jumped out at me. this had nothing to do with hillary, this was about her aides and other people's aides, standard practice for the clintons, never about them. there is always this layer between them and the army of aides who take the fall for everything they do. let's get to the politics of this. her e-mail problem began on martinch tenth, 2015, when she gave a news conference on what happened with the server. in that news conference she said i fully complied with the law. i think everybody across the spectrum said that handling of the e-mail server was very poor.
her numbers on trustworthiness have gone straight downhill for over a year after that press conference. now only 22% of the american public say they find her trustworthy. this is the biggest vulnerability she has in the election right now and trump is right to hammer it home and speak like that just one that we saw. >> is it reasonable to conclude mary, she didn't turn these e-mails over right? i mean, these were discovered because of the freedom of information act lawsuit by the folks at judicial watch. and the more evidence you see of the e-mails she did not turn over the more it looks like she was trying to hide the fact there was this relationship between the state department and her aides there, and the foundation. >> yeah, i think there is probably more coming on this, and you know julian assange of wikileaks says he may be releasing further e-mails. >> i'm sorry to interrupt but
presumably those would have been hacked from her server. >> exactly, which was not secure. mrs. clinton wants to say there is nothing new here just move along, we've all heard this before. on that point, i agree with her. this is how her and her husband have operated for years. >> but there are new details. >> right, when you go back to haiti and she was secretary of state her husband was in charge of the haiti recover commission after the earthquake. that means he was actually answering to her. she was his boss and there were hundreds of millions of dollars going from the u.s. to haiti. and at one point the haitians on the commission say we quit because bill clinton is completely non-transparent. nobody knows what happened to that money, but mills traveled to haiti four times in 30 years. >> is this going to make a difference, joe? it's clear that the clinton campaign thinks you know what?
this will go away, we don't need to worry about it. >> right, it is old news because it happened in the past. >> right, but also nobody is going to pay attention to it. they will focus on whatever trump says today. >> yeah, he certainly has a problem prosecuting a case against this keeping the not public now? now, we're still getting the stone wall even after the e-mail came out. who is this person? >> and there is the possibility of an october surprise that mary
mentioned, which is julian assange or somebody else dumping documents in the campaign. i guess they will blame the russians, but there is still a possibility. >> they're counting on this sort of clinton corruption fatigue, where they say oh we've heard this before just move along. >> all right, thank you, much more to come in this special one hour edition of the journal editor report. and we'll take a look at whether or not donald trump needs the support of republican leaders to win.
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welcome back to the journal editorial report, i'm paul gigot. hillary clinton taking a lead in most polls including the main battleground states. how comfortable is that lead and what does donald trump need to k? doug, the last time you were here between the conventions after the republican convention you said this is a pick 'em race and that tim kaine as a pick really is not going to help her, do you still stand by that? >> i do stand by
mainly, the security we saw this week and moderates in swing states makes that consolidation, paul that you speak of much more difficult. >> it doesn't help if you're picking fights with prominent republicans, kelly ayotte. >> that made no sense at all. >> what i see in the polling is that hillary clinton is really doing very well among women including some republican women and minorities. and we know that mitt romney got only 27% of the hispanic vote according to the exit polls. it looks to me like trump is doing worse than that. >> he is doing slightly worse, meaning he has to do slightly better with whites meaning working class voters. the other thing he has to do is run a real campaign which means advertising on tv in this swing states. and building a ground game. and so far the evidence is not
clear he is going to have any sort of traditional campaign. >> the figures i have seen, it's almost like a 100 million to nothing in terms of the competing advertising. can you win a modern campaign being out-spent that badly? and there are some people in the trump campaign who will say hey, look, we can use twitter or mass rallies, or use free media. we'll get so much free media from the debates and elsewhere that we don't need that head to head advertising. >> paul, i think if this race is close and i think it will still be close because ultimately i think a good number of those republican voters will come back to trump. but if that is the case he will need a field organization social media, and advertising if he is going to narrow the gap totally with the secretary of state. >> here is what else is surprising, which states that romney won comfortably, and john mccain won, even utah possibly
the most republican state in the country is closer than you would have thought. and will the clinton campaign try to compete in those states? >> yeah, they are going to compete in those states. they even sent tim kaine to texas this week where the lead was ten or 11 points. i don't think ultimately that they will win those states but it distracts donald trump from his core effort to win working class voters in the midwest to pick off states like pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin and michigan. at least some of which he needs if he is going to win along with florida. >> last question, do you agree with the thesis that donald trump has to make this election a referendum on hillary clinton and the last eight years and not give clinton the chance to make it a referendum on trump and his character? >> absolutely. voters have said in polls they really are skeptical of both candidates and if it's a referendum on trump he will lose. and if as donald trump wants it's a referendum on hillary clinton she will lose. he has got to get on message and stay there.
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>> the voters of wisconsin seem to be turning against donald trump, at least that is what the polls are saying according to the latest markette university law school poll. she more than tripled her lead. what does that mean for speaker paul ryan and senator ron johnson running for re-election in the state. joe, what did you see about the presidential race on the ground? >> well you can take it both ways, i mean look. donald trump is very unpopular in this state.
paul ryan has had his primary this week. he was running against a trump clone basically, named paul nylan, and he crushed him. he won with 84% of the votes. so really a significant win. i think there is a strong republican party in wisconsin. on the other hand, if you look at the senate race ron johnson is trailing russ feingold by about six points. >> he won big, despite the fact that national republicans, some national money came against him. and michelle coulter and some of them came in for his opponent, what does that tell you about the politics in the state? >> particularly, does this suggest that maybe the trump movement -- it's more about trump personally than it is about some of trump's ideas like immigration and trade? >> well, i mean, some of that.
this was a local race i think that was unsuccessfully nationalized. paul ryan is very respected in the district among both parties even among people who disagree with him. the significance of this race is that i think trump-ism, you know trade, immigration -- national security. those aftershocks are going to be with the republican party in 2018, 2020, maybe for even longer. so i think this was a preview of the intellectual fight republicans are going to be having over time. >> okay. let's turn to ron johnson, the senator. he is running ahead of trump by several points. but he still is trailing russ feingold former three-term senator who is running against him again. he defeated him in 2010, a very good republican year. how is ron johnson trying to navigate the trump phenomenon?
>> what his campaign people say is they always knew they would have to run ahead of the top of the ticket. and they're running that same race. if you look at the polls he is kind of getting caught in the trump undertoe as they say trump very unpopular in wisconsin. and -- >> he is down what, 15? >> down 15 and losing support even among republicans. >> and johnson is only down six, head to head against feingold. >> and what they're saying is look, i'm an independent man. if trump wins i'm going to stand up to him. if hillary wins i'm going to hold her accountable. so saying no matter what i'm going to be a check on the executive. i've got this independence. and you know me, i'll always tell you the truth. >> but you can -- an undertoe -- there are undertoes, and then undertoes, if it's 15 points it would be very hard for any candidate to out-perform the top of the ticket that much. what about johnson's issue
spread, what is he focusing on against feingold? >> well you have two things one national security they actually had a terrorism scare in milwaukee. so he is focusing on that. and then again he is focusing on -- i'm a problem-solver. i look for areas of agreement and then move from there. so for example, in the v.a. scandal -- >> that is veteran's affairs saffairs. >> he exposed some really terrible abuse. he has become one of the most productive members of congress in a bipartisan way. saying look these problems have been with us for a long time. i'm trying to solve them. russ feingold was in congress for 18 years, why would it change, nothing is different? >> and he would be one of the more liberal members of the democratic caucus if he won. so all right, thank you, joe. when we come back the latest from rio and the ever-growing controversy surrounding the russian doping scandal. "great news. you're covere
politics is not the only thing on people's minds these days. the rio olympics are all the rage as team usa racks up the medals. but the games have also been marred by the decision to allow the russian athletes who have been caught doping. >> you know, if somebody is taking steroids for weeks and months and has a whole system around him there is so much cheating energy that i -- i do not think that such athletes should compete ever again. >> perhaps the biggest example of the growing disagreement among athletes occurred during the women's 100 meter
breaststroke competition. in a final decision, lily king flashed a number one sign, not to be outdone, the russian swimmer who has been banned fwies for doping and reinstated only ours before her swim appeared to mock king by waving her finger. king shot back saying quote, you're shaking your finger number one and you have been caught for drug cheating. you know i'm just not a fan. in the end, king got the last laugh, winning gold. we have had doping scandals in the past not new. but the opposition coming from athletes is new in my memory. what do you make of it? >> well, i make of it that the olympic movement truly is in crisis, paul, over the doping. and the people who run the olympics here the international be
a drug or supplement hard to detect or hard to find. just this tuesday the international olympic committee took med dals away from athletes who compete in the 2012 and 2008 beijing olympics. six years ago. and they took the medals away this week. so i think lilly king put her finger on it. one offense and you're out of international sports forever. you have to create an incentive like that thomas bauk also said they need this. they keep reinstating the athletes because it makes the problem persist. >> one and done aimed to justin gatlin a great american sprinter who sat out two years after he was found to have doned, but that was him, okay? that wasn't system attic. the russians it was
state-sponsored. they had the intelligence service come in and pick the viles that were supposed to be tested and replace them. this is basically national policy designed to cheat, to build your medals up so putin can wave a flag and say, we're terrific. >> yeah. i think one of the big problems on the ioc, one of the mistakes the ioc made was to defer these decisions to the international federation of the sports. if the ioc is not going to take a strong position what is it doing besides making these incredibly stupid decisions to bring the olympics to a place like rio de janeiro? it's not doing its job. >> just to sill straitillustrate your position the judo federation that decided to reinstate the russians is very close to vladimir putin. >> given the international committee a little credit in that they didn't want to boot the russians. they referred to the court of
sport, which most people hadn't heard of before and which then overruled it and said the russians can compete. i wouldn't draw a distinge between the systematic state cheating and someone caught an isolated incident and served their time. i think it is great lilly king stood up here. and the women of the 1976 u.s. women's swimming team must love this. they were cheated out of medals by the east germans at the time. it was not known how big the doping was. and it is great this is getting more attention now. >> i disagree with you, james. as dan pointed out, the science is constantly figuring out ways to mask this. so there's not a huge risk of you messing around with doping. and you can be reinstated. people will be more attempted to do it. if you have a one and done, that will send a message. >> what about the risk of false positives with one and done? it has happened. there are people who really weren't guilty who get caught and then you're banned for life? i mean, what is wrong with a
two-year ban or three-year ban on the individual basis? i agree totally that if it's state-sponsored there should be a really big punishment. but for an individual couple of years. >> well, that was a so huff called soccer rule where jane referred to the national court for arbitration of sports. which would have banned them for a period of time. so they have not been able to resolve that dilemma. but they've got to do it paul. look i've been watching the olympics since i was a little kid. and watching the olympics you are specifically wondering which of the athletes is when because they done and which aren't. it's taking the enjoyment out of the olympics. until they clean up the situation, i think they will be in a state of decline. >> well, there's a school of thought that says james, you can't do anything because the science will keep moving. so let them all cheat, that's the libertarian point of view on this. i assume that you think that's -- >> i don't agree, but i have to acknowledge, if we're talking about making the olympics entertaining to watch, the drama
with the villains sort of cold-war style, people from the east it does add to the drama. obviously with king ending up to beat the russian swimmer, can't get a better story than that. bring back the bulgarian judges. >> when we come back the hits and misses of the week. with the right steps 80% of recurrent ischemic strokes could be prevented. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
time for hits and misses of the week. paul start us off. >> the national institute just leased a big report of over 3,000 adults older than the age of 50. what they found out was that people who read books live on average two years longer than those who do not. specifically what they said was the people who read more than three-and-a-half hours per week were 23% less likely to die over the study's 12-year span. in other words, reading is
better than pale and a lot more enjoyable. >> i think our ship has sailed on this one. james? >> this is a miss too. oregon's governor and the employee unions pushing a ballot initiative this fall to raise taxes on big business in oregon by an estimated $3 billion a year. one thing that is nice is that small businesses are fighting it because they know that the governor and the unions are coming for them next. and this is one of the most highly taxed states in the country already. so they have no interest in competing on growth and competitiveness. a terrible signal. but let's hope that voters in oregon go the other way. >> all right. joe? >> paul you may have heard that the university of california berkeley has been having problems with student protests for the last 50 or 60 years. well this week they finally came up with a solution. they installed with the student newspaper called an in the chancellor's office. so students occupy it they can
make a quick exit. >> that is not serious. >> unfortunately it is. >> the students can make the quick exit or the chance sflor. >> the chancellor. only for lack of creativity. it would be so much better if they installed an injector seat. >> shouldn't he get a safe space, too? >> all right, mary. >> this is a miss for the family of 14-year-old ahmed mohommad and his trial lawyers. they are suing the city of irving texas, the city district and the principal for $15 million because the school apprehended him when he brought something that looked like a bomb to class. now he received a gushing of outpouring of support from m.i.t. google facebook. but he says his life is ruined and the only thing to make it better is a $15 million paola from the city of maryland. >> all right. if you have your own hit or
miss tweet it to us. that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panel. thanks to all of you for watching. i'm paul gigot. hope to see you right here next week. we start this afternoon as we get multiple reports of police and emergency personnel rushing to the scene of a possible shooting at a mall in raleigh, north carolina. you're looking at live pictures of the crabtree mall in raleigh, north carolina. these are from our affiliate there. they are reporting gunshots were fired inside the mall this afternoon. we are still working to confirm those reports. there is no word at this moment whether anyone has been injured or what type of possible shooting it was there at the crabtree mall see mall. police not allowing anyone to go in or out of the buildings. they are telling drivers there to avoid the area. again, reports of a shooting inside the crabtree valley mall in raleigh, north carolina. we'll bring you the