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. >> this is unpredictable activity ultimately. bill: you writing the halftime report today? >> you bet. bill: martha, what's next? martha: the voters have spoken in new hampshire which has become a tradition to open the polls at the stroke of midnight. allowing everyone to vote then go home. hillary clinton beat donald
trump by a vote of 42. the turnout will be such a big deal as we watch everyone come through. there is enthusiasm and whether it translates into real long lines. one of the biggest outcomes is you will have an historic jowts come. either the first woman president oral what will be considered one of the biggest upsets of all time. that's what we are in for. bill: i was in line at 5:45 in lower manhattan, and 30 people beat me there. which states hold the key to tonight's race. polls close in two critical states as we just showed you on the map. what about the balance of power in congress.
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>> they are inching to go. polls close at 7:00 p.m. eastern time including north carolina and ohio. the polling station there live, denver, colorado live. gentlemen, good day to both of you. states to watch tonight or what? >> three purple states, ohio, florida, north carolina. if she takes florida, the election is likely to be over. if he takes florida, north
carolina and ohio he has a shot at it. each one of those will be critical. there is an unknown blue brick. he has to take something out of the blue wall of democrats whether it's minnesota, wisconsin, michigan or pennsylvania. at some point in the evening if he's doing all right in north carolina, florida, and ohio. bill: that would then need to turn another state from blue to red. >> my gut is pennsylvania looks like it's most likely. we came close in 2000 and 2004. we came within 5,500 votes in 2000 and 11,000 votes in 2004. but times have changed and his appeal is different and it may be that michigan or pennsylvania is more likely.
>> i add new hampshire and pennsylvania to that. is -- if s pennsylvania in any one of the states carl just point out, florida or north carolina, it's game over pretty early in the night. i agree with the states he put up there. but i would be looking at new hampshire, too. because if trump can win new hampshire, that starts putting even that narrow electoral strategy of this getting to 70 with one from maine or pennsylvania. what did you see that was significant? >> the hispanic turnout everywhere. pretty much everywhere it's way up there. the fact the democrats didn't get the same margin out of florida they got four years ago. african-american turnout.
and the democrats had a last weekend surge in ohio that may have brought them. bill: even with hig -- even wita county? >> he may have been focused on the early vote and the mail-in. it looks like it's up 1%. bill: ohio may be in play. >> i would have given it to trump. bill: u.s. senate. does it come down to a race or -- >> the republicans i think are poised to be at 49. it will come down to north carolina and new hampshire as the most likely number 50 and 51 for republicans. >> the sign of the apocalypse. we agree those two states,
new hampshire and north carolina to see what the balance of the senate majority could be in those two state. bill: if it's 50-50? >> then the sitting vice president of whichever party preside oh it, if it's tim kaine, he has to give up his seat. the governor, terry mcauliffe appoints somebody and a special election is held. bill: if she were to win, how much does she get done in the first. >> when we came in we had a 50-50 senate, then we lost one republican in june who defected to the democrats and gave them control. but if you have got 50 plus the vice president and you organize the senate, that means you have a majority on each committee and that's helpful to the sitting president. >> i agree. that's -- the senate balance here is going to be critical. regardless of who wins.
the presidency, that's going to matter a lot. who controls those committee chairmanships. who decides what votes come forward. it could be -- bill: it's a story that's been overlooked. but we'll not tonight. >> i'm involved in a group that just spent $180 million trying to influence the outcome of the senate. bill: can you match that. >> full disclosure. martha: no matter who wins the election tonight there are likely to be deep divisions throughout the nation. can the winner bring this country back together? we'll take a closer look at that. you will be hearing quite a bit tonight about the exit polls from yours truly. how can they work and what can they tell us. we'll tell you about what the exit polls truly mean.
martha: voting is under way. there it is live and happening in chicago. and it's happening all across america. later today you will hear quite a bit about the exit polls as they start coming out. but what goes into them and how should we read and what should we know about them? it's great to see you, darren. it's great to have you with us this morning. i'll go through some questions about polling. i'll be doing exit polling this evening. how many polling places? >> thousands of places where
people will be casting their ballots. the exit polls in a particular state will isolate say ohio or florida maybe a hundred sample precincts where there are live interviewers, they will interview every 6th or 7th person. you can't volunteer with an exit poll. you have to be identified. we give you the exit poll. so people can't self select. more enthusiastic people could take it if that were the case. we accumulate the exit poll result throughout the course of a day. martha: it's like being called out by the tsa. you get a one sheet piece of paper, you fill it out confidential alley. are you hispanic, do you care about the email issue for hillary clinton. do you care about certain things that have come up for donald
trump. but some people will say no, they don't want to fill it out. what kind of people say yes and what kind of people say no and how do you adjust for that. >> enthusiasm is a primary indicator. people are more enthusiastic about their candidate or the polite cool system, they will say yes i'll fill out an exit poll. front and back. you want to value people's time and you want high response rates. the 2008 democratic primaries, there was a slight february den i for supporters who were enthusiastic about their candidate. it was a small dings. but we noticed it and it tended to mean there was a slight overstatement of obama support in the by the poll. martha: all the networks, fox, a.p., they go into a quarantine
room and start looking at the numbers coming in. their cell phones and laptops outside the door. you will be in that room today? >> you talk about out of pocket. we are really out of pocket. you can't bring any communicative devices. in 2000 and 2004 there were exit poll results that were leaked and they would get out on drudge and other websites. the fear is people will see these results and there would be band wagon effects or oppressive results based on those choices. martha: the numbers i'll start reporting at 5:00 and 6:00, those numbers are not recal bad it. they are the fresh numbers. over the course of the evening they start to become more and more weighted. >> the data are automatically weighted. john gorman used to tell me there is no up thing as
unweighted poll result numbers. but they stabilize over the course. so we have wave one, wave two and wave three over the course of the day. the more cases, the more stabilized the estimates get. martha: remember john kerry's race in 2004. it looked like it was leaning towards him and the people calling him mr. president were wrong. thanks for the explainer. thank you very much. good to see you. bill: a long, lonely day. get it right. you have seen the map and we'll show it to you again in a moment. how does trump get to 270. jason miller will lay out his
bill: both candidates will cast a ballot today. but today we saw hillary clinton alongside her husband in chappaqua, new york. mike emanuel is spending another day in that town. good morning. reporter: at that school this morning there was a whole lot of excitement as you might imagine with the former president and the democratic nominee heading out to vote despite getting home from her final day of campaigning. hillary clinton seemed to be in good spirits. clinton was mopped by supporters
wishing her well. clinton spoke briefly about the magnitude of election day 2016. >> it's the most husm belling feeling. i know how much responsibility goes with this. and so many people are counting on the outcome of this election. reporter: clinton is calling into 7 radio stations from boston to detroit to tallahassee encouraging folks to get out and vote. bill: she got about 3 hours sleep last night. how is the campaign feeling today as it winds down. reporter: they sounds pleased. aides say she is work on two different' speeches. she'll do more speech work in the hours ahead to be prepared tonight at the.
hitting strategic locations in the final hours of the campaign. the clinton team insists it feels good about the situations in ohio, michigan and the state of florida. but now it's up to the voters. martha: let's go to the trump campaign. it's loaded with jitters and excitement all around. what's the mood over at trump tower. >> it's here, election day, people are out. we are voting. in trump just finished several fantastic days out on the road. and he will be voting in a little bit and we'll start making history. >> i think everybody understands history will be made one way or another. you will ends up with the first woman president of the united states or ends up with someone whose story is extraordinary and
against all odds. i was reading a piece in the "national review" which has not been a fan of the trump campaign. but he has gone to places like eau claire, wisconsin. places where voters feel forgotten. no one has come to see them in years. will that make a difference? >> i think it will. this trade message, bringing back american jobs. not only is mr. trump going into blue states and saying i'm going to fight for your vote. he's going into community that haven't voted republican for a long time. talking about his urban renewal plan and renegotiating those stayed deals. >> places like to cue clare and western pennsylvania to balance out what you will see coming out in places like philadelphia, that's the political map you guys have to master today. >> we are encouraged from the early voting so far.
so folks at home understand. usually republicans will go in trailing into election day. so the numbers we are seeing in florida right now, the republican balance lots returned were 81,000 votes closer to the democrats than where the ticket was. north carolina, 140,000 votes better and closer to where the democrats are than four years ago. on election day when most our voters show up -- >> martha: early voting tends to be more democrat. we have an enormous amount of early vote. you have 40 million people who voted and in 2012130 million voted overall. what do you think the overall vote number will be today. that's way it's all going to be about for you guys. do you have a guess? >> i think it will be big. we want everyone to show up and vote. there are trump supporters who
haven't been tallied so farm who are going to show up to be part of this process. you see it even in states -- take nevada where the democrats have been saying they are turning out a lot of people. we are seeing 16,000 more republicans. the gap is 2,000 better. in the state of colorado, there are 7,000 more republican ballots than democratic balance lots returned. that's typically a blue state. we think we have a great shot to win it tonight. martha: if you lose north carolina or florida are our hearts going to sink in the trump cam or do you think you can flip a michigan or minnesota to make up for that. >> michigan is a dead heat. pennsylvania is a dead heat. there is polling yesterday that said mr. trump was leading in both states. you look at new hampshire where
mr. trump was last night getting the support of tom brady and bill belichik. there are a number of paths for in trump top get to 270. i think he will run past that and do better in the electoral count. but we are excited about how things look. martha: a lot of people look at the last few weeks and say they wish that's the campaign he had run the last several months. >> as everyone knows, mr. trump is a closer. martha: we expect him to vote at 10:00 this morning and we look forward to taking that live. bill: up and down the east coast, there are millions of americans making their voices heard it's been a rough and tumble campaign. it's clearly had its own personality. sometimes split personalities. can either candidate unite the country? fair and balanced debate with
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>> we are fighting to bring us all together as americans. we are living in a divided nation. we are living in a very divided nation. we are going to be brought together. just imagine what our country could accomplish if we started working together as one people under one god saluting one american flag. bill: trump and clinton claiming they can bring the country together. may not be so easy.
rich lowry, juan williams, gentlemen good day to you? what do you think? >> nighter of the candidates are correct when they say they will bring the country together. if hillary wins she'll win with less than 50, the republicans will probably hold the house. and she is not an appealing politician. and this is the most challenging political job on the planet. if trump wins you will see a total meltdown on the left and the single most hostile media environment any incoming president has encountered. bill: well, i'm even couraged. i'm going to turn out the light and go back to bed. juan? >> obviously this campaign process, there is no getting away from it. i look at the numbers and i see it's so divided in terms of race in the society.
it's almost completely white voters, especially whites who don't have college education voting for trump. it's 75, 85-15 in terms of non-wise and whites for clinton. so you see this great divide in the society in a way i think we haven't seen before with people with education versus those without education. >> i remember a day in des moines, iowa. the night of the caucus. huckabee had won for the republicans in 2008 and barack obama won for the democrats. and i do believe you were moved to tears, perhaps appropriately so, because you said on national tv, i can't believe what i'm seeing, an african-american has won in a mostly white state. that was profound. so 8 years later, did we move
the ball anywhere? >> i don't think we moved the ball towards unification in terms of race relations. i think the fact when you ask white americans about race relations they think we have gone backwards. black americans and hispanic americans don't say that. white americans believe we are more polarized today by black lives matter and the police than we were 8 years ago. iowa today looks like it's much more likely to go to trump than clinton. bill: after twice going for barack obama. i see this white voter without a college degree as a person who feels the political class has left them behind. my sense is it does not have to do with the black or white or america. it's -- can i take care of my family. >> juan is right about the racial divisions, we have known about this for a long time.
now what this race has brought to the foreis divisions on class and education. trump pointed out there is a class of white working class voters who feel alienated from the mainstream of this country. whites without a high school degree, their life expectancy is declining. that's unheard of in an advanced economy, and i don't think donald trump has a solution to that but he pointed the finger toward the problem and it's something that can't be ignored going forward. >> what's interesting to me. rich and i are agreeing on the basic facts. i think trump has not just pointed to the reality, he has exacerbated and worsened the reality. i think he's run an extremely polarizing campaign. his theory is if i can turn out more of those white voters he can win.
bill: he had a strong message for what happened in african-american community and the inner cities. he spoke to it in a way i think don't think a lot of republican candidates have done before. >> this is the tragedy of trump. working class politics should have more appeal. there are tons of working class blacks and latinos. because trump was so divisive along racial lines it limited his appeal to those voters. we may see a latino surge that could cost him states. bill: what gets done in washington for the country for the american people for the economy? >> very little. if hillary wins you might see a deal with corporate tax exchange for infrastructure spending. but it's hard to see anything big happening. >> what's interesting to me is
the supreme court. you see some republican senators saying we are not going to do anything in terms of moving a clinton nominee. i don't know if they will move and merritt garland in the interim. and mitch mcconnell is looking forward no matter what happens in the senate to 2018 when the republicans are at an advantage. in some sense he's smart to hold the ball because he's going to likely get back even if he loses. bill: we'll leave that discussion for another day. >> there is division as far as the eye can see, bill. bill: mccallum. martha: feeling good, everybody? it seems every election we talk about how important florida is. this year is no different. watch tonight. will the sunshine state decide the winner? it could be. we'll take you there live. bill: a closer look at how the
reporter: 5:15 a.m. that's when the first voter walked up to vote in the battleground of them all. fewer than half of florida's registered voters are allowed to vote today. that's because they have already voted thanks to 6.5 floridaians voting in person or by mail. there was a decent line. everything going smooth and easy. polls are open from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. for ashley's personal history, she voted. >> i feel very, very happy for doing piep my part. it -- for doing my part. it feels good to voice your opinion. reporter: we are getting reports that in miami gardens there is a long line of voters wrapping around the building. that's a heavily
african-american voting area. so that's certainly something the clinton campaign would see as positive. martha: what would you say when you talk to people there. are they passionate about this election? are they glad to have it over? what are they saying? >> this was a very negative, divisive and nasty campaign at times. even after they cast their votes, you could still tell that was on their minds. take a listen. >> i think it's a rough one. they had their problems. but i hope one of them does good for this country. >> i just want it to be over. >> the campaign was terrible. >> glad it's over. tired of hearing all the noise. i hope the country gets in the right direction. i'm not happy with the choice we have, but that's what we have to deal with. >> reporter: both campaigns
want this state of florida very badly. since 1936 there have been 26 presidential elections. the winner of florida has gone on to the white house 18 times. martha: they express the feeling of a lot of folks out there. phil, thank you so much. bill: any moment now we expect to see donald trump cast his ballot. we'll take you there live when that begins. chris wall has breaking down what we should expect some see tonight. our special election coverage rolls on with mr. sunday and more at the top of the hour. >> we are finally going to close the history books on the clintons and their lies and schemes and corruption. we'll open a bright new chapter, focus on you the american people.
martha: finally here. it is decision day in america. we're just nine hours until the first polls close on election day, 2016. millions of americans casting their ballots for president. at any moment now republican nominee donald trump will leave his home at trump you tower and make his way to the voting place. we'll take you there live to watch that as it unfolds on this historic day. welcome to a brand new hour now of "america's newsroom," everybody. good morning, we're glad you're with us on election day. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. you wake up on a day you know it is different. what a ride unlike none anywhere you find. backbone of democracy is playing out in states all across the country. millions of americans heading to the polls right now deciding the outcome of a very long campaign. donald trump, hillary clinton, making their one final pitch. >> i think if people say what
have you learned, this is what i learned. the people of this country are amazing. something about win something awfully nice. our country doesn't win anymore. and we'll start winning again. >> i know if we bring everyone together, we can set goals and we can move toward them and we can feel that sense of accomplishment that comes with being part of something bigger than ourselves. martha: what a ride. chris wallace, anchors "fox news sunday" and will be with us throughout the day. of course into the evening hours as well as we watch this, chris. long line to get here. your sort of big picture thoughts on the meaning of this day? >> i'm glad it's over. i think it has been one of the ugliest, least issue oriented most disspiritting campaigns i can remember. i go back in terms of covering campaigns to 80 and my memory. i to back to 1960. it has not been an elevating
experience for americans, and i suspect an awful lot of those people at the polls lining up, waiting to vote are voting against somebody or voting for somebody they're not especially enthused about. if you had to say, what are the issues this campaign, you would be hard-pressed because so much is spent with her saying he is a creep and he is saying that she is corrupt. that is a heck of a way to choose our next leader. >> i think in terms of their dialogue i think that is absolutely true but i do think that the trump candidacy does speak to issues that exist in this country. >> oh, absolutely. martha: it speaks to small business t speaks to obamacare. it speaks to forgotten man and woman out there ho feel like they have been left in the dust. >> i completely agree with that. the whole idea that there is, to use his phrase, a rigged system, in effect. look, bernie sanders spoke to the same thing which is the idea
there is a system and insiders, whether political insiders or financial insiders, the system works and is controlled by them and average working american, "joe six-pack" as we used to call him back in the '80s, is getting the short end of the stick, there is no question about it. just that it got waylaid so often by personal and ethical controversies. martha: what happens when you look ahead? one of these people will win, but, the angst that you described that i think everyone in this country has experienced over the course of this, it just doesn't disappear because somebody wins. >> no. i'm very concerned about that. i think tonight, potentially, is the first step towards bringing us together or first step towards keeping us apart. look, everybody thinks i'm going to say this i'm talking about donald trump but i'm as easily talking about hillary clinton. the loser needs to say i fought for some issues and i will continue to fight for some
issues and cause remains but what unites us is more important than what divides us and we need to unify around, as i say it, i know it isn't going to happen, unify around our new president. that is the always way it has been in our country and traditionally been but i don't know that is the way it will happen tonight. martha: you heart donald trump in the recent days saying this is your last chance, for republicans. if we don't win this today, he says to his supporterss it's over. it's over. now you do hear that sentiment expressed by a lot of people who watch politics and who watch history of all of this, that there is changing dynamic in this country. that perhaps republicans are going to be suffering losses for some time? >> well, lord, let's hope it is not over. this is a great democracy which existed more than 200 years. regardless who wins or loses, we want it to continue, my guess it will continue. that may be an -- martha: when he says it is over, he means the party that he is
running for, that republicans have not had a lot of winning campaigns and that, you know, that they're in a tough spot. >> on presidential level that is absolutely true. on other hand they control the senate, at least today. they control the house. and in all likelihood will continue to do so. clearly the republican party has gone through a nervous breakdown and probably rightly so, because so many of the voters who voted in the republican primaries feel completely alienated, completely out of touch with their leadership in washington, with mitch mcconnell, with paul ryan, with the political class in washington. they have got to come to terms with that, whether they win or lose, they have to find a way for the party to mean something. it may be that they have to wait four years to get a new leader this is assuming of course that donald trump isn't the president. if he is the president, that will be interesting too because i think he would have a governing majority but not necessarily a very unified majority. martha: thank you so much, chris.
what a day. we'll watch it. >> i am so happy. martha: leaving on positive note. will be great, right? we'll have so much fun. >> at least it will be over. martha: there is that to be said for it. see you tonight. bill: are you sure it is going to be over, wallace? i don't know. shades of tallahassee ringing in my ears over here. nice to see you, buddy. want to show you the map to figure out how you get to 270. see a lot throughout the day. 7:00 tonight eastern time this whole map goes blank, we try to fill in one by one remaining states. everything in gray is a battleground. in fact late last night we moved minnesota to the battleground state because event trump had this past weekend. which way will it go? if trump pull this is ohio, north carolina, florida, trifecta, he is in the game. and then after that he has to go somewhere here, perhaps in the midwest. is it michigan? is it wisconsin. we'll find out together.
here is mike tobin live up in janesville, wisconsin, the hometown, the home district of house speaker paul ryan. how are you doing, mike? let's start with you. reporter: the race bill has everybody watching wisconsin is rematch between johnson and feingold. it is statistical dead heat. it could decide the balance of power in the senate. johnson went from trailing dramatically to within three points according to the "real clear politics" average. negative one according to marquette university law school poll. turnout in wisconsin has been breaking records as many states. turnout up dramatically in the liberal strong hold of dane county. johnson said he is not sweating that. >> the people voting early, they made up their minds. nothing is going to change it. what we are going for us, all the momentum. all the independents are breaking toward us. reporter: turnout is above average here at edison middle school here in janesville. hillary clinton is favored in wisconsin.
one of the political wonks in wisconsin i was speaking with yesterday, speculated if h wins wisconsin by more than five that will buoy feingold, drag down johnson. bill: how is paul ryan's campaign going? he is up for election today. is there concern with his own re-election as speaker of the house? reporter: his campaign isn't particularly concerned with his own re-election. he has an opponent. ryan solan is his name. he claims the dust-up between paul ryan and donald trump has driven wisconsin republican over to him. paul ryan tried to put that under bridge that he voted for donald trump. he encouraged other wisconsinites to do the same. he shot down reports that he was no longer interested in the speaker's gavel. bill: mike tobin live in janesville, wisconsin. we want to give you a bit of a glance at map, to give viewers idea what happens later tonight.
polls officially start closing at 7:00 eastern time. we're going to go into absolute flury of activity, especially in the first 90 minutes. if you examine for a moment between 7:00 and 8:30 on the map behind us, this is when the action starts. at 7:00, virginia, georgia, good senate race in indiana. 7:30 two big ones, wow, ohio at 18 electoral votes and north carolina at 15 electoral votes. we catching fire with new hampshire, pennsylvania and florida, as we move through the night, arkansas at 8:30 and 9:00 hour in new york and mike is in wisconsin, michigan, minnesota, colorado. all the states we discussed. what we argued about and debated for a long time. how does that map look like at the end of the night? that is what we're trying to figure out right now. red or blue, which one will it be. martha: big question how will
the big move look like at the end of the night. there is the white house. that is where they all have their vision set for the moment and who will be living there come january. is the big question for today. what a day, right? whoever does win the white house has a tough task ahead. will they have a mandate to get anything accomplished? that is another big question for the day. steve hayes, byron york up next. bill: what is the final takeaway on the media's role in this election? big question for howard kurtz. he joins us live. >> we are finally going to close the history books on the clintons and their lies and schemes and corruption. >> we've got to be willing to start listening to each other again, respecting each other again. ♪ the table at 6:00 every night. hey guys, i'm home! of course no one said it had to be cooked. campbell's one dish recipes, designed around one pan and your schedule.
♪ bill: live image, midtown manhattan, outside of trump tower as we await donald trump to leave the trump tower to move his way to a polling station just a few streets to the east i believe out of manhattan. we'll bring it to you live at the moment. stand by. martha: not so easy to get around new york city on a day like this to vote. i have a feeling they will make way for mr. trump as he tries to go to the poll there. whoever wins tonight could be in store for some major gridlock. speaking of gridlock, both candidates looking at very
divided country and big opposition on capitol hill. joining us two fox news contributors, steve hayes, senior writer for "the weekly standard," byron york, chief washington correspondent for "washington examiner." two great friends of the show and they helped document this race throughout. i think back, when i look back to midtown manhattan the day donald trump went down with the escalator was met with a a lot ha, ha, how interesting, donald trump wants to run for president. we're looking at fairly tight race for this individual. what does it tell us, byron? >> it tells us i think, first of all, so many people thought donald trump was going to quit. i spent part of last day going through predictions people made before he came down to the escalator on june 18 last year. so is many people thought he would quit at various points in the race and it never happened. he is still competitive.
martha: that to me is one of the most astonishing things, to me, steve. when you look at donald trump, people wouldn't have capacity for it, wouldn't have ability to get out there and campaign, he loves campaigning this man has a passion for getting out there and meeting, i heard him a little while ago saying most extraordinary thing in this whole experience getting to know the american people and getting out there to see what extraordinary country it is, thoughts on this, big picture? >> i was one of those people who didn't think he would do well. i was one of those people who was at this timerring when came down the escalator. i did think he would run. he exceeded everybody's expectations including his own. when you talk about him on the campaign trail, one of the things that he doesn't get enough credit for probably he enjoys himself on the campaign trail. he really seems to love this stuff. his critics would say because he is narcissist and enjoys adulation he is getting from the crowd. he loves it. he sort of thrives on that. he does a pretty good job giving a campaign speech if you don't
score it for things like telling the truth. >> there is another issue perhaps he could be a little misled by the enthusiasm for him, because i have been to trump rallies i think in a dozen states. they're big and really enthusiastic. and, for example, trump is talking a lot about michigan now. went to a trump rally in michigan during the primaries, the way he connected with the voters, when he said ford is moving our jobs to mexico, deep, deep connection with voters. on other hand bernie sanders got huge rallies, 20,000 plus rallies, hillary clinton got more votes, if you talk to the trump people, one. measurements, the biggest meshment they make for the support, look at rallies, they are huge, they are enthusiastic, may not translate into 270 votes. martha: that is what you is it comes down to, 50 state contests. you can have all enthusiasm in the world in a place like michigan as byron says you have to close the deal.
you have to have detroit areas, things traditionally weak over past presidential elections, hispanic vote, women's vote, those same issues are there. >> yeah. i think you have two competing, two competing things today, one benefiting hillary clinton and one benefiting donald trump. hillary clinton has a real get-out-the-vote operation partially inherited from barack obama. that will probably be very helpful for her, point 1/2, two points if you talk to some strategists, on other hand donald trump has voter intensity. that is not nothing, it is true as byron said you heard it from bernie sanders voters. heard it from mitt romney four years ago, but if you show up at polling place stand line hour 1/2, you're lukewarm for hillary clinton because you doesn't like donald trump or donald trump supporter passionate, waiting to cast this vote for months, who is more likely to stand in line? martha: you each only get one vote. >> right. martha: the passionate voter and
person who goes, i will trudge up there and do my thing and vote for her, they both get one vote. byron, tell me what your overall, who will win tonight? >> i was hoping you would not. martha: yeah, yeah. >> trump has these three states obviously haste hags to win, florida, north carolina, ohio. doesn't one one of those, doesn't make it. i have to say it is very hard for him to get there because when you go back to the fundamentals hillary clinton started out with 242 electoral votes. if you only count states that voted democrat in every single election for the last six elections, that puts her 28 short of winning. she started out as democrat, not as her as candidate but as a democrat, with a big, big advantage. and i think it will be hard to overcome that. >> i keep coming -- we all are geeks, and we go on 270 to win website and click state assign electoral votes, past coming
days i keep coming up with 303 electoral votes for her. i don't say that with great conviction. i think it is possible you could see a turn here at the end or could see, trump people talking about the "brexit" vote. they talk about matt bevin in kentucky. talking about polling misses in recent years. i don't think that is likely but -- martha: we don't know. that is what makes it so crazy. i keep saying to people, it all looks like lining up this one way but my god, if it goes the other way till with be most amazing political story we covered, not in a sense of good or bad, but in a sense of surprise and recognizing that you don't always understand what is going on out there. >> if the polls show something is too close to call, nobody was really wrong either way it turns out unless it was blow out and you thought it would be close. martha: you're protecting yourself. >> if the polls show it is really close you can't tell. martha: my gosh, that is why we play the game. why we stick around. thank you so much, guys.
look forward to seeing you throughout the afternoon and evening and perhaps into morning hours. we'll see. thanks, guys. bill: the trump campaign did something in american politics has never seen. so what kind of president would he make and win or lose, what is his role after the election? what does the republican party look like? charles krauthamer will analyze that. >> also in a moment here the mainstream media's role in the race for the white house. how did they shape this campaign? we'll analyze that for weeks, folks. first, tonight is the night. ♪ ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently.
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bill: there is live shot, rap pa hoe county in denver, nine electoral votes in colorado. how a role did the media play in tonight's final out come? what will we talk about weeks or months from now. howard kurtz, fox news, "mediabuzz" on sunday. sex, witchcraft, car wrecks, punditry on steroids. >> i wrote that we're in crazy town after a wild and crazy campaign. drudge headline about clinton campaign chief john podesta practicing cult magic. he was provided to performance artist dinner. it was hint him, his brother tony. trump may be a car wreck but at least his car is pointed in right direction.
hillary is drunk going the wrong way. nice endorsement, governor. actress says if trump wins we would look at real estate in australia. does that include her husband george stephanopoulos. i don't know if he is included in the plan. n in theg picture what have we broad sense of the media? because every four years, kind of takes us in a different direction. maybe there is a new form of media that is born. i think about "the drudge report" in the 1990s. "politico".com in 2008. >> yeah. bill: is it mechanism comes out of this or is it a lesson or is it it a style or is it way we cover it? how would you, how would you die sent that? >> it would be heart to give media high marks in this campaign because we have so easily been distracted by sensationalism, silly stuff, insults instead of issues. i do not let candidates off the hook.
everything from "access hollywood" to "basket of deplorables." size of the hands. sometimes seems like we had weakness for that. at the same time, especially since the conventions, bill, would be impossible to ignore how tilted commentary much of the mainstream has been against donald trump, who some wrote off, here he is is, he has a shot at this thing despite all negative stuff dumped on him by the press. bill: is that the black eye? >> i think there is a stain here from people on both sides. bill: you do? reason i ask you, you go out and poll people. media has been ranked in low single digits for number of years. >> whipping boy. bill: so, you know, easy to take a shot at us i think. criticism in some cases is fair. i think criticism from other corners might be because their guy or their gal did not or does not win. analyze that. >> this time is different, i think there is such disgust and disdain among many americans, really on both sides, much more
on the trump supporter side to be sure, a lot of people on the left think that the email scandal was a grade c story. the media blew up. blew up the clinton foundation on trying to do good, you have certainly more polarized country. that is reflected on twitter and abuse and invective. but i think, i have never seen this level of animosity toward those of us who at least try to get it right. try to be fair and i think that is the lasting legacy for our business after 2016. bill: thank you, howard. >> good to see you. bill: there will be plenty to analyze. we can agree on that, right no. >> i will be back tomorrow. bill: tomorrow for sure. there will be big think pieces coming out coming weeks and months something for all of us to take in. >> a lot of hand wringing to come. bill: to think about and thank you, buddy. see you tomorrow. martha? martha: the trump campaign says it see as path to victory tonight. we'll see. which way will this thing break?
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for donald trump to pull up. no signs of the motorcade just yet. he is voting at p s5 9. we saw hillary clinton at chappaqua, new york, with bill clinton by her side. we'll take you there as soon as mr. trump arrives. bill: thank you, martha. donald trump likes to say he and his supporters created a movement. he is in it to win it certainly as he made clear last night around midnight, final stump speech in michigan. >> we're hours away from a once in a lifetime change. we're going to have real change, not obama change. [cheering] i quantity to begin tonight by thanking all of you and all of the people in this incredible movement. you know, it is a movement like has never happened in this country before. bill: hmmm.
charles krauthamer, syndicated columnist and a fox news contributor who has made his way back to his home town of new york. how are you doing? >> yeah. good to be back. bill: if trump wins, what kind of president would he be? >> well, the first thing he will do, he will irreversibly reshape the party. this was the party of reagan, and the bush years were sort of an echo of the reagan years. reagan defined the contours of the party. trump will do that, it will be changed. particularly the most obvious issues will be immigration and trade. this will be a new party. it will be a populist party. the country will not have a conservative party in the sense of a reaganite party. and you do that by appointing the cabinet, which establishes the leaders of your movement in many areas of life. i think he will be, obviously the rnc chair will be his choice.
and i think he will influence who the leaders in congress are. he shapeses the party. that is what happens on both sides. bill: you're suggesting significant change there if he president? >> it could be that the policies will fail but we'll have a long experiment in populism led by the gop, the new gop. bill: if he loses, two questions on this, if he loses specifically, what does he do? >> well he will be the one to determine which way the future of the party goes. that was an interesting statement you just showed where he said that if he loses, he will have wasted a lot of time and energy and money. which is i think his way of saying that it would be a total waste if he walks away. i don't think he is a michael dukakis. i don't think he is a bob dole. this is not a guy who will lose
i think and walk away. he feels he has created something. i think he is right about that. he created this populist movement, very unusual in u.s. history. it happens. but, you know, a generation or two separated from each other. and it changes the gop if it goes from conservativism to populism. i think this, is guess, of course it will be his choice, he can walk away and the movement will likely wither until some younger, newer leader comes along, but i think he stays in the game. he becomes the king-maker. if he loses by a respectable margin, say less than romney did or within that range, i think he becomes a defacto leader of the party and you think paul ryan represents the older reaganite consensus and i think, look, the civil war will begin on wednesday. it will begin tomorrow morning. bill: on that question, then,
what, if he loses, what does the republican party look like? what shape does it take? what priorities emerge or continue or pick up where we left off? >> i will give you one big example. paul ryan has been obsessed, i think correctly, obsessed with entitlements and deficits. he has got plans. remember he got the gop house to vote almost unanimously on a plan that would alter medicare, that everybody had assumed was the third rail, would cost them control of the house, it didn't. but trump ran on not touching entitlement. this is a more populist stand. now, i think that is one example of how the conservative traditional, and now paul ryan agenda is in total conflict with what would be a trump agenda. i think the first test who gets the upper hand will be the
speakership. i think there will be a con tis. if trump wants to be a player, i think he could engineer or try to engineer deposing paul ryan. bill: wow. final question. john boehner, the former speaker, had what he considered a deal with barack obama, a grand bargain they called it. that was government spending, was entitlement reform, taxes, a lot of stuff and as boehner tells it, by from the time he left the oval office and went back to the speaker's office on capitol hill, obama had called said i need more tax hikes. he said you know i can't get that through. the deal died. if hillary clinton is president, paul ryan is speaker, can they get that that deal done? would that be a priority. >> i think it can if parties allow them to. obama is different personality. hillary would be inclined at a grand bargain.
that would be her imortality and establishing her presidency, at least a legacy early on and i think she might be impatient to do that. but will her party let her considering how far to the left she had to run to get the nomination? and then will paul ryan's party, with the freedom caucus and others, allow him to come halfway? if you're an outside observer from mars you would say the country's problems are soluable with compromise on spending, tax reform and entitlements. it is all out there and doable. it require as political will. i think it is possible given the personalities but it might not be possible given i the influens within the party. bill: you look better in new york. >> i feel better in new york. bill: we'll see you later tonight. >> nice to see you. bill: charles krauthamer. martha: all right. both campaigns are keeping a very close eye on the state of north carolina tonight.
the tarheel state, a potential bellwether, 15 electoral votes up for grabs. let's check it out with jonathan serrie live in raleigh. the candidates did a bit of last minute campaigning where we find you in the state? reporter: not much lead for candidates. hillary clinton is calling into radio stations in key states, including north carolina. a few hours earlier she was holding a rally at n.c. state university, a rally went from midnight to 1:00 a.m. she was joined on stage with recording artist, lady gauge ga and jon bon jovi and her husband bill and daughter chelsea. mrs. clinton called on supporters to cast their ballots and work to heal a divided nation. listen. >> we have to bridge the divides in this country. as the bible says we have to repair the breaches. we have got to be willing to start listening to each other again, respecting each other again.
reporter: yesterday afternoon donald trump held a rally at north carolina state fairgrounds. he too urged supporters to make their voices heard at the polls. >> you know we're in a rigged system, folks. we're in a rigged system. you got to go. you have got to vote. make sure the vote gets registered in there. real change also means, restoring honesty to our government. reporter: coming back out to the live site at this polling place, it has not been crowded this morning but steady, as voters come in and out. but perhaps the real story is going to be early voting. before the polls, even opened, at 6:30 this morning, 3.1 million north carolinians had already cast their ballots in early voting. more than 2/3 of the number of north carolinians who voted over course of entire general election back in 2012. martha? martha: will be exciting night. changing dynamics out there.
jonathan, thank you so much. bill: whole lot of twists and turns past 15 months or some it has been rough times, you know that anger on both sides boiling over. is this the new normal in america when it comes to politics? fair and balanced debate on that as coverage continues. it is election day, america. time to vote. ♪ >> hillary clinton is the most corrupt person ever to seek the office of the presidency of the united states. >> it's a choice between division or unity. between strong, steady leadership or a loose cannon.
the world, justifies torture, suggests abandoning our allies. martha: is that all? president obama last night slamming donald trump and the tone of his campaign as he was rallying in philadelphia. both sides have been guilty of some very harsh rhetoric in the course of this campaign. so let's bring in two people to fight about it, shall we. julie roginsky, democratic strack gift, fox news contributor and morgan ortega, maverick pac and former defense department intelligence analyst. thank you for having you both here today. when you think back over course of this thing, you think about the clinton accusers, marching in to sit down and watch the debate. you think about all the stuff that happened on both sides of this whole thing. i do think people, people are disgusted by all that. >> they are. there is nothing else to say about it but it does motivate people to vote on both sides. i voted for hour on upper west side of manhattan. the line was -- martha: vote for one hour you
couldn't decide who to vote for waiting really long time? >> the line was snaking around the block. i have never seen anything like it. it really motivated, i'm not so sure people are coming out to vote for somebody. i think they're coming out to vote against somebody. that is not my neighborhood which is fairly liberal. all across the country, places like mississippi coming out to vote against hillary clinton as much as coming out to vote for donald trump. motivates voters in some ways. it clarifies choices for them. i'm not sure what it means for the republic going forward, how we potentially try to unify tomorrow morning. >> no ma -- matter who wins, i hope in the acceptance speech they reach out to people who didn't vote for them, because both of these individuals would need to do that in a very suns sear way to begin this process of bringing this country together, morgan? >> i think you're exactly right, martha, but i don't think it happens in a speech tonight. i don't think it happens overnight. would i argue that the tone of this campaign has actually been set for the past eight years.
it was president obama who rammed obamacare through a democrat-controlled congress without working with republicans. it was president obama secretly started negotiating with iran without consulting republicans in congress. same thing, president obama who opened relationships with cuba without talking to cuban republican members of congress. so we haven't had the past eight years of either side working together. it is frustrating as a republican for the republicans constantly to get blamed on this whenever even democrats have criticized the president for not working across the aisle. martha: think about the other side. i think about the "basket of deplorables," right? that comment, that i think really went right to the heart of so many americans who look at what donald trump talks about, and says you know, you know, i'm not a racist, i'm not any of the things that are you referring to me feel as they left out the picture. >> that was unfortunate comment. certainly his comments about
women, latinos, go on and on, pocohontas elizabeth war recognize of massachusetts. unfortunately mitch mcconnell only priority first term of obama's administration making sure obama would be a one-term president. washington has gotten so toxic, i haven't worked there in almost 20 years, it had gotten toxic when i worked there. it has only gotten to work. whether gerrymandering with congressional districts or permanent campaigns thanks to cable news and other news outlets we have to engage in all the time, people consistently feel they have to campaign now. there is no comity. knob goes out to dinner anymore. people fly back to the district talk to republican or democratic constituents. i don't know how to fix this. i wish i would wake up tomorrow, kumbayah we have president. martha: -- "national review" piece about post-goldwater and ronald reagan and emergence of ronald reagan. when you look back at things he said, he really did bridge the
gap and reach out to people and talk about the inate goodness of the country and of the people in this country. anybody on the horizon who might make that happen, morgan? >> i think both candidates, whoever wins tonight you have to respect the voters. what we have now, we see this going on facebook, on social media feeds, people for trump are calling anyone who votes for hillary an idiot, and vice verse, people who prefer trump are racist. martha: that is so sad. social media is to blame. it gives you a smokescreen to lash out to people in a way unfeeling and wrong. that is one of the reasons. we got to go. i will have the last word. thank you so much. great to see you both. bill: you're entitled. your show. going to take you to north carolina. take you to ohio in a moment. how are things shaping up today on voting day? will ohio lead yet again. we're in cleveland and we're in
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>> coming up on "happening now," from north carolina, i'm here reporting live. jon scott at great state of ohio. another key battleground. we'll think about the all sort of political maneuvering happening in the state. here is fact toism press your friends. this is only place in the world, north carolina where the venus fly trap grows in nature. is that a metaphor for politics? who will get trapped here in this state? which campaign is the question we'll explore, coming up, top of the hour. ♪ bill: i will vouch for that
answer. jenna, thank you. want to go to ohio right now, buckeye state always a big prize. 18 electoral votes at stake. peter doocy, live cuyahoga county. surprises so far? what have you found, peter? reporter: there are no surprises yet, but there is uncertainty in cleveland. that is the forecast. it is supposed to rain a little later on this evening and late afternoon possibly. that could start. that is right around the time people start the abouting off of work, they go to street and lines get longer. that is something to keep an eye on especially since officials here in cuyahoga county at board of elections they are telling us they think turn wrote will be lower than it was four years ago. lower for cuyahoga county where everybody is so involved because this is generally one of the most important swing states, turnout that is low is 67%, which is much higher than other places in the country. but 40% of them have already cast their ballots. we're told that in-person, early
voting was up, slightly, but mail-in early voting was down slightly. you look behind us here, in cleveland at the gunning recreational center, it is not completely dead as opposed lines we saw earlier. bill: sorry about, that peter. >> we're jumping in here. motorcade in front of p s5 9 as we donald trump does something he may have never thought would come to pass. he was on stage with seven teen individuals. some people thought he would not run, that it was a publicity stunt. he has been a committed campaigner throughout the course of this journey. you hear crowds cheering him on as he goes in to vote, extraordinary moment for donald trump. melania, his wife, by his side. she spoke in philadelphia last week.
talked about her own immigrant experience and how she wanted to be american and citizen. she will vote as well. no doubt will vote for her husband. we saw eric trump going in earlier this morning. they are new yorkers, in their hometown, challenging their vote in the big apple at ps 59. bill: julie roginsky was talking about how long lines are being reported. anecdotal stuff, a lot of our friends and colleagues in new york city are talking about lines being very long already. about 11:00 in the morning. what does that mean? what does that portend? who knows. what it tells us how this campaign has captured the imagination, martha, of well, tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of americans. it has an about the story in this country for more than a year. martha: extraordinary story for donald trump. no matter how you feel about him a businessman crossed over into politics and proved you could knock other folks off the stage as he joked about coming through
had a tremendous amount of energy an stamina for the campaign trail. surprised a lot of people. high-fiving some kids at the school as he goes in to vote. extraordinary story for this man to be sure. [inaudible]. >> hi. >> have a good time, everybody. [inaudible]. >> did you vote? thank you, thank you. >> what are you hearing about early returns so far. >> very good. >> everything good. any states in particular? >> very good. [inaudible]. >> yep. i gotcha. >> here we go.
this way? >> are they in? bill: i don't know if that was, photo i.d. or if it was a tip. martha: hard to tell, right? bill: that person there picked up something there, as momento. from trump tower over the weekend, trying to get a sense of campaign for final days, martha it is such a unique operation on the 14th floor. they take almost the whole floor in u-shaped fashion as you have seen as well. i would say maybe there were 70 people working there, perhaps 80. then you go across the river to brooklyn and at hillary clinton's headquarters, the suggestion is that there were several hundred at a minimum. really a difference in approach and style, certainly for how these two have approached this. martha: we also saw jared kurschner and ivanka trump going to vote moments ago. he has become such strong confidante and advisor to the campaign. the story, regardless what
happens here tonight, goes on for this family that has become very prominent on the national political scene. i believe we have not heard the last of the rest of the trumps either. we'll see. bill: got a huge day ahead and a very big night tonight. we'll see you then. good luck, america. >> fox news alert. after more than a year after campaigns, debates, primaries and caucuses, comes down to the day that america decides. hello, everybody, i'm jenna lee, in raleigh, north carolina. >> i'm jon scott in columbus, ohio. after candidates crisscrossed some of the biggest battleground states yesterday, hillary clinton voted this morning in new york. we saw donald trump at public school where he is casting his ballot in manhattan.