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glad we got him out. there are a lot of people out there pulling for army today. we'll see what happens. gorgeous day here. we've loved it. enjoyed hot cocoa and had a wonderful day. thanks for joining us from baltimore too. welcome to the journal editorial report. president elect donald trump continued with his roll out of domestic policy nominees this week selecting scott pruitt to run the environmental protection agency and the labor secretary. we begin with pruitt who has been a tough critic of obama. the reaction to pruitt was swift with bernie sanders calling him a change denier and his election
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to lead the epa sad and dangerous. joining us is columnist bill mcgern and kim scoslle. you wrote with the pruitt nomination this week and you like it. >> i like it. here is a guy who has sued the agency and he's highly skeptical of a lot of the regulatory actions that president obama has put in place, extra legal act n actions. so we don't need another environmentalist there. we need a lawyer like mr. pruitt who is going to try to restore the balance between the agency and the state as partners and put it back in its proper role. >> you like the fact that he is from a state, it's an oil and gas state, and that has a lot of democrats griping, but you like
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the fact that what the obama administration tried to do was mandates on the states and the states fought back with pruitt. >> these are how these laws are supposed to work. it's supposed to be a partnership. the federal government sets standards and offers support and maybe enforcement, but the states are supposed to be free to innovate. that's the vision that mr. pruitt is going to put back in the e approximapa and nowhere d that epa has to be oppose in had to economic growth. >> the climate change debate, they're going to call him a denier and say he thinks it's not happening, but he's never said that. he said maybe the science isn't settled but that's different from saying there may or may not, we don't know how big the human role is.
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>> this explains why the democratic party has gone off the rails and they're losing at so many levels of government. they have made climate change into a secular religion and it has led to ugliness such as calling people deniers who disagree with them. it became anti-political. and barack obama tried to pass a ceiling on carbon emissions and they gave up on the legislative process and went to executive orders which is imposing them and in that sense democrats pulled away from politics and now they're paying a price for it. >> can they beat scott pruitt, defeat him? >> i don't know, but another point i would make is the epa doesn't perform its core functions, this is an agency that missed the flint water crisis and poisoned the river in
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colorado and there were no repur cush cushes in that. >> are you sure scott pruitt wants to run this? he can provide some management and legal -- let's turn to andy poster as the labor secretary. he is truth in advertising. he's the head of fast food restaurants hardy's. and he is opposed to the affordable care act and said it's had a destructive role in the labor market. what about this and donald trump's promise to be the working man. the unions are going to say you're not for the working man. >> he is going to understand the labor markets because he was involved in them, but the larger part of these things, hud, epa,
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labor, this is the part that's really dysfunctional. the left always makes a thing about the nsa spying on foreigners. i worry about epa and hud and irs and labor because they make these rules and they make people's lives miserable. going after the energy companies it's after a lot of jobs that people work in coal mines and stuff and a lot of people at the bottom suffer so it's good to see someone reversing this. >> there's a distings between unions and workers and the obama administration favored unions and only 7% of the private american workforce belongs to unions. >> this was a special interest ma m
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mania. they worked at the the the expense of everybody else on the workforce. the labor department has been at the the forefront of that with its overtime regulations and executive orders from the president about project labor agreements. all designed to help out this particular constituency. >> the ultimate question is are wages going to go up and you have to have faster growth and flexible markets help that because it gives more opportunities to fire but more importantly to hire. >> yeah. exactly. that was the political basis for trump's victory in this election and if he does not deliver within the next four years, i think those people are going to step away from donald trump. he's got a big stake in getting those wages up. >> thank you all. trump's taiwan play as the fallout continues from last week, a controversial phone call
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the fallout continues this week from president-elect donald trump phone call with taiwan's president, the first such communication since 1979. the obama administration said monday that it had sought to reassure bejang's of washington's commitment to the policy. john bolton is a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute and former embassador to the united nations. welcome. >> glad to be with you. >> you wrote for us in january that the united states could play the taiwan card. is that what is happening now? >> certainly this is a possible opening to do that. i mean, i think the call was the right thing to do. taiwan is a democratic ally of
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the united states and it was a signal of respect we haven't shown in a long time but i don't think it foreshad douows a shif policy. >> elaborate what you mean by the taiwan card. what would that mean going forward because i doubt you're saying that taiwan should declare its independence? >> not now, that's for sure, but i think this is a subject for beijing which makes it all the more important for the united states to have it on the table when we deal with issues like the effort in the south china sea by beijing to declare that a chinese province. >> trump is signaling -- you're not gonna help us on other things, we can show that we can get closer to taiwan and it would be the right thing to do in many respects. i think the north korean nuclear weapons is another issue.
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china has not kocorporated withs over the past 15 and it's something we should emphasize there. >> is there a risk though that you could incouraencourage with that they could declare independence and that's where they would feel they need to do something militarily. >> i think the president is a cautious person. i don't think we should be feel shy saying don't think about that. this is a bigger game, a longer game that we're playing here. >> what do you make of the president elect announcement that the governor of iowa, a personal friend of the president from going way back from the time when she spent time in iowa as embassador to beijing. >> well, it's out of the normal order of things, let's put it that way. normally you have a secretary of state and then do the ambassadors, but this transition
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has followed its own pattern. i think ultimately policy is controlled from washington and i think ultimately it's controlled from the oval office. who the envoy is less important than the direction that the president elect takes when he gets in and in this past week he has signalled a hard line on china's economic practices. >> i want to talk about this broad possibility of a resetting of u.s./china relations. do you think that's possible and what form would it ftake if you were trying to advance relations. >> i think china is trying to advance relations with its territorial claims in the south china sea and what it's trying to do in the east china sea, it's massive military buildup including a blue water navy for the first time in 600 years and
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obama's administration's response has been inadequate. >> i think they are trying to become a dominant power and push the u.s. out. >> russia and china held their first ever joint naval maneuvers in the mediterranean. i think china understands that it has taken advantage of the obama administration for eight years and i think it's time to signal that we have new administration and it takes a very different view and including on these economic issues. >> what does that mean in practical terms. the obama administration will say we believe in navigation in the south china sea, we've sent u.s. vessels through there to show we're not going to be stopped doing that. what would a reset look like? is it taking on china economically and saying you don't have access to our markets unless you help us on a security point of view. >> i think it has to be across the board economically and politically and militarily and
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economically the evidence of chinese discrimination not just against american investment in trade with china but the european union as well, the theft of intellectual property and chambers of commerce of the u.s. and the eu in hong kong and beijing have been saying this for years. this is a big task and when we come to the south china sea honestly the obama administration's response has been pro forma and i think china reads it that way. i think it has to be very different. it would help to built up the navy to an adequate size, but the political shift can be signalled early and this may indicate that. >> i want to ask about the trans-pacific partnership because trump announced he's going to drop out of that on day one. there are a lot of people who
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say that's a mistake because it signals the u.s. disengagement and sends that feel to china. >> i don't know what the president elect has in mind after tpp but anybody who thinks it can be revived is mistaken. i think he's made it clear. >> i agree with that. >> i think the mistake was made beginning in the bush administration and continuing under obama was to say this is a strategic issue kind of mass car raiding as a trade agreement and very few people in the united states at least understood the strategic significance. >> is it a setback for us pulling out. >> short-term perhaps it is, but i think now it requires us to think more coherently what we mean by a strategic initiative to box china out from asserting. if you're going to do a trade agreement that encourages free trade between the united states
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and its partners in asia do that. i think it should be more in the security field. >> all right. thank you. appreciate you being here. still ahead, president obama defending his counterterrorism strategy. we'll look at his legacy and advice for the trump administration when we come back. g new cars.
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during his last official visit to tampa, florida this week president obama defended his anti-terror legacy telling troops that real progressed been made during his eight years in office and offering what he called a sustainable strategy for future administrations. >> rather than offer false
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promises that we can eliminate terrorism by dropping more bombs or deploying more troops or fencing ourselves off from the rest of the world, we have to take a long view of the terrorist threat and we have to pursue a smart strategy that can be sustained. we need the wisdom that adhering to the rule of law is not a weakness in the long term, it is our greatest strength. >> we're back with dan hen i ger and bill strausle. mary what do you make of that defense by the president. >> he is taking a long term view and accepting the terrorist threat and letting it grow on his watch. president obama is leaving president elect trump with a more dangerous world than he inherited from president bush. >> he would push back and say i got ben laden and al qaeda has been diminished in afghanistan
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and elsewhere and nobody has attacked the homeland from afar. i'm giving what he would say. and your response? >> first of all, isis covers a far wider geographic territory than al qaeda ever did. they're in north and east africa and the middle east. >> that's on his watch. >> and you have putin going into eastern ukraine. you have the issue of the south china sea with naval ships. you have north korea testing nuclear weapons. when i say this is a far more dangerous world it is not just in comparison to bush but it's the most dangerous world we've seen since the end of world war ii. >> the drone strikes have taken out a lot of terrorist leaders, afghanistan, pakistan and the
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middle east. >> he gets criticism from the left from that. >> he has indeed for killing from afar. when he talks about the long view he's right because he's set up a world which is going to be in a sense a stalemate, endless conflict in middle east, in afghanistan where both sides -- it's not as though nothing's going on. this is tremendously huge battles taking place like in syria and he did nothing to push it forward. it's just a stalemate and he seems willing to settle for a world which is in endless conflict. >> if you listen to that speech he really did -- >> this is obama making good on his promises. if you go back to his inaugural address where he talks about leaving iraq and afghanistan, this man has been sounding the retreat since he became president. in his speech announcing the 30,000 surge in afghanistan, the
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next sentence he announced when we would start to get out. he's kind of frozen in time too. he's a lawyer. he parsed his words. core al qaeda meaning just al qaeda and no foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned, now the threat is different. they're inspired, they're radicali radicalized. if we want to get a read of his legacy we should go around to tehran they would have a different view. >> how is donald trump going to be different than barack obama. >> he has been vague on this. we know his broad promises which he says he's going to hit isis very hard and destroy terrorists harder than anything that's ever happened before, but also doubling down on his promise to not commit troops to places and
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not have a bigger footprint in the world. >> which may be a condition dicti tra diction. >> he's picked aggressive people to serve in the department of defense and other places. we'll see what they come up with a strategy for doing this, but at the moment he hasn't said too much that would be a big change in what we're doing now. >> he's not going to try to close begguantanamo. he may send enemy combatants where they are not normal prisoners of war. >> let's hope so. obama's legacy is not just a legacy of american retreat, obama made deals with countries that don't share our interests or values, with iran and cuba. donald trump may take a different view of those arrangements. donald trump may not view
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casualties the same way that president obama did. obama said he saw the problems of the middle east as a problem with islam and americans are collateral damage in that fight. >> obama's speech was a defense of the idea of leading from behind and that's what he has done for eight years. the question is will donald trump lead from the front and reassert world leadership of the united states. >> that's a good question. i'm not sure i know the answer to that. i think he is in many ways in the campaign mimicked president obama's rhetoric about not intervening abroad and i think that resonated with a lot of americans and i'm not so sure other than bombing from afar he's going to do much different. >> there were ecos in obama's speech about what trump has said about not getting involved in nation building and not having troops overseas. still ahead, donald trump's battle with big business continues as he warns another
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we love our companies and we love it when they're employing thousands of people, but we don't love our companies when they leave and go to another country and think they can make their product and sell it back into our country like they're a bunch of fools like they've been getting away with for the last 35 years. >> president-elect donald trump
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in des moines, iowa thursday night with a rn warning to companies thinking they can send countries abroad. trump is setting his sites on businesses planning moves including the indiana based manufacturing plant. what kind of message is the president elect sending here to american business and is it the right message? >> i think it's brilliant politics for a president elect and very bad economics for a president. he's showing he cares about workers which is not usually associated with the republican party, but if he carries this through individual deals are not the way to go. the way to go is to lower tax and making the united states a more attractive place for investment. the best thing for workers is in the economy where they can tell their boss take this job and shove it and go across the
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street and get another job. >> you've said that to me in the past. >> in an economy growing under 2%, that just can't happen. workers have an interest in growth. probably more of an interest than anything else because that's the only thing that gives them choice and opportunity and they haven't had that for a long time. >> what does it tell you when mike pence says that in fact company by company is exactly the kind of policy that donald trump is going to pursue, we're going to do this case-by-case, day-by-day. >> mike pence was a governor and governors love to do this, like rick berry that talked about how great it was that he was giving away his state's taxpayer money to companies. it's a terrible policy and it has ekos of obama who liked to
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punish obama except those were the coal companies and banks and payday lenders except for trump it's the companies that are outsourcing. if i were a ceo i hope my name doesn't show up on bright bart.com. >> that's the website that steve bannon ran before he joined the trump campaign. what about the boeing episode? the president elect said there's $4 billion of cost overruns for creating a new air force one. he said cancel the contracts and i've looked and i haven't seen any evidence so far of $4 billion worth of overruns because i don't think the final contract has been struck. >> i suspect he may be pulling back from that one because i haven't seen there's a $4 billion contract at all. the danger is going case by case is one of donald trump's most
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famous phrases he's going to drain the swamp, this fills the swamp with lobbyists. this is country club capitalism where the guys on the golf course do deals with the governor. the better way is to get done with that tax reform bill that he wants, reduce costs so this sort of thing isn't necessary so that companies like carrier don't have to think about leaving the country and maybe we will get to that point. >> but kim, i can just hear some of our viewers saying you guys at the wall street journal, you believe in ideology and adam smith, get over it, that doesn't work anymore, republicans, those ideas don't matter. it's the working man, donald trump won with that message and that's what he's going to implement so shut up and sit down and get used to it. >> i care about the working man too. we should all care about the working man and that is why this is bad policy in the long run. why are companies moving to mexico? it's not because they're
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anti-american. they're not making it here because our costs are too high. we're not competitive. you can do a temporary band-aid and give a group like carrier subjesidies from the state but you're not focussed on the long term goal, these companies are still not going to make it and those workers are going to lose their jobs ultimately in the end. this is not a fix brow beating companies to stay, the fix is in better policy and making america competitive. >> i agree with that. i think one of the unintended consequences of this is you're going to have a lot more people saying they're going to mexico if they think there's a subsidy or better treatment on the other end. >> even if trump is going to slap a 35% tariff on them. >> yes, they'll say it if they can carve out a better deal. >> it depends on the marketplace for their product. if they sell most of their products in asia they may not
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care. >> this has been going on in the u.s. between governors. governors are trying to prevent people from moving to mexico, but the next state. remember the patriots owner he got connecticut to agree to a new stadium and all this stuff and what he was doing was shaking down massachusetts for 70 million. this is an old game. they'll play it pretty well. >> carrier's workers win but a lot of companies are going to lose because they're not getting the same deal and they could become angry about that and go into opposition. >> thank you. still ahead, as republicans grapple with what to do about obamacare, we'll take a closing look at donald trump's pick for health and human services and his plan to replace the controversial health care law. e between life and death. for partners in health, time is life. we have 18,000 people around the world. the microsoft cloud helps our entire staff stay connected and work together in real time
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as republicans in congress grapple with just how and when to replace and repeal obamacare, the incoming trump administration is making its own
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plans appointing representative tom price as secretary of health and human services. price, an orthopedic surgeon and six term georgia congressman is a critic of obamacare and has been studying how to replace the law for more than six years. the author of the book "shall we wake the president, two centuries of disaster management from the oval office". do you agree with me stepping back for the big picture that this is the moment for republicans to either put up or shut up on health care policy? they've got to deliver a replacement for obamacare. >> look, i usually agree with you and i agree with you in this case as well. this is the time and republicans said for years we've got to get a chance to have a republican house, republican senate, republican president, we have those things and there's now an
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opportunity to get rid of the aca and to replace it with something different so now is the time to see if those ideas work. >> all right. but what do you tom price, a make of his selection? >> i know dr. price. he's a smart and thoughtful and determined guy and he keeps introducing plans to repeal and replace the aca and he's done it consistently since the aca has been in effect. i think it's smart to bring a legislat legislator. they know how to work the process. the democrats wanted to bring in tom dashle to bring obama's secretary and i say it would have been a good move from their perspective. it did not work out. then we had a situation where they had to find a backup and in doing so they find someone who was not a legislator and they were kind of behind the eight ball the entire time. he didn't understand the legislative process and tom
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price does. >> let's talk about regulation because it does seem to me that -- people say you can fix part of obamacare through regulation right away, including maybe reducing some of the mandates. how much of the law can be repealed or minimized through regulation? >> through regulation alone, you're limited. the legislation is 2,700 pages. there are many more thousands of pages of regulation, but those implement the actual legislation. you really need to get at the legislation. what they can do administratively are some kinds of wavers, that are state wavers for medicaid and for the aca that give the governors more flexibility in how they cover people. >> republicans are talking on capitol hill to say first we're going to repeal it or as much of it as we can and then we'll set a date down the road, maybe later this year or maybe two or
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three years down the road, to replace it. what do you think of that strategy? >> president elect trump has said he does not like that strategy on "60 minutes" and he talked about doing those two things together. i don't know if that's possible. there is a window of getting rid of the aca which you can do as part of the budget resolution so there's a time limit and you can do that without 60 votes so that makes some sense to get it out there this is what you're trying to do but once you do that you own the thing. i've heard democrats on capitol hill saying health care is a form of a sandwich that i won't say the name of it on tv and they want somebody else to have the sandwich so republicans have to be carefully of that. >> chuck schumer has said that if republicans change this one bit, they own it and we're not going to help them. that's my concern about this repeal first and then replace strategy that what happens is you make yourself hostage down the road to the left who say
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we're not going to help you one bit and don't change a thing and on the right you might have people who say if this isn't a perfect replacement, i'm not going to vote for it and then we're not going to vote for subsidies. ted cruz may throw a wrench in the works. isn't that a risk that you might repeal it and then have nothing down the road to replace it with? >> absolutely. it is a huge risk, but another risk is they've made such a big deal about getting rid of the aca and not taking care of the opportunity or not taking advantage of the opportunity would really hurt them politically as well. >> they've got to do something. what about this issue of the subsidies. there are tax credits in the bill that go to people below a certain income level. do you think that those subsidies in some form have to be part of a republican fix so people aren't thrown off their
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insurance? >> so i think the key thing to remember is that republicans are never going to outbit democrats on the amount of subsidsubsidie. what republicans want to do is bring down the overall cost of health care and incentivize people to purchase health care on their own. you don't want to sky rocket the cost of health care as we've seen over the last few years. there should be a tax goodie of some sort to help some people, not everybody, help some people purchase health care, but you don't want to do what obamacare did which is raise the cost of health care and then provide a high cost subsidy to some low-income individuals. >> we know we're employed by a company, we have a tax subsidy for health insurance through our company already. if you work for a company and get health insurance you have a tax incentive. if you lose your job you don't have that subsidy so i've heard a lot of republicans talk over the years we need to equalize
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the tax treatment between the individual and big companies in particular. should that be part of the reform? >> actually, this is one of the reasons i'm encouraged by the pick of dr. price in that he's someone who believes strongly in the employment-based system. there's 177 million people get their health care through employers and it's important to maintain that part of the system. they're more important than the 20 million odd people that get their health care through the aca. it's important to maintain that system and not lose the stability of that system and that's how i would push it. >> you don't want the headline that people are losing their insurance in the private markets. >> absolutely not. you want to -- you need to use building blocks. the biggest building block is the employment based system and medicare and medicaid. those cover the vast majority of people in the country and then you want to figure out how to help the people in the gap whether via the tax code or
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association health plans, those are smart ways to go about it. >> thank you. still ahead, former trump rival ben carson, no doubt an unconventional pick to head up the department of housing and urban development. a look at what he could bring to the job when we come back.
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>> we've done all of these other reforms but these days, 80% of that $45 billion budget goes to federally owned and operated public housing and vouchers for public aid housing which is for low-income americans. there's no work requirements, there's no testing. we basically relegate these people with no means of getting out. so ben carson, given that much of his own presidential and you
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covered hud and it's a tough place to run, particularly if you're not steeped in the traps that you can fall into. . >> i'll say one thing for ben carson. he seems to understand that hud doesn't just provide public housing. it's trying to socially engineer the racial makeups of neighborhoods across america. >> how is he doing that? >> there is a fair housing rule. it's kind of a mouthful but it's very important. what hud did under obama is force communities to take federal money and said give us all of this racial data, income data and then we're going to tell you if you have enough hispanics or blacks or minorities living in white neighborhoods and if you don't have enough mix, we're going to force you to build -- >> like west chester, new york? >> that's right.
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>> and presumably he could reverse that? >> he could. but it's not just about public housing. hud also hass the federal housig administration. fha is an insurer. it insures mortgages and took over the subprime mortgage business after the housing crash. there's a ton of risk there. carson has to come in and address that risk. that is a huge task and it's an urgent task. >> so you think the lack of experience could be problematic for carson? >> i do. it's a huge, sprawling bureaucracy. there are 8,000 employees and fair housing advocates. it's got banks involved. you have a lot of lobby groups whose interests are involved in keeping hud just the way it is. not just in public housing but also for fha. >> you think the big opportunity here is trying to make housing
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instead of a permanent, people putting them in public housing permanently, making sure this is a stepping stone to self-independence? >> yes. speaker paul ryan, his anti-poverty initiative, you're beginning to see ideas come out of congress that ben carson could build on. look, it's an issue. he needs to know that those interest groups are going to be out to get him. so it would also be wise of the trump administration to put some people around ben carson that are housing experts and understand how you're going to deal with this pushback, too. >> good advice, kim. we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week.
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time now for our hits and misses of the weekend. kim, start us off. >> paul, the media absolutely embarrassed itself during the
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support of democrats and, whoops, they are doing it again. this is a miss to all of those publications now pedalling the story that barack obama is handing donald trump a booming economy. okay? part of this is the white house working with media allies to invent an obama legacy that doesn't exist and part of that is setting up donald trump. we may be due for a recession already. if it happens, it might be due to trump's policies. the country kicked out this administration because they know the real truth about the economy and they are not going to buy it. >> william? >> miss to the fight for 15 movement and this one was delivered by a former ceo of mcdonald's back when this mandate started. he warned it's going to cost jobs and people at the bottom. mcdonald's announced they are going to replace workers with the self-service kiosks there.
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the point is, a lot of the workers at the bottom are struggling from technological changes. it's foolish to make them more expensive to hire. >> dan? >> the media is full of concern that trump is appointing too many generals. jim mattis of defense, mike flynn as national security adviser and john kelly as homeland securityadviser. the last thing i'm worried about is a military coup. a hit for donald trump for finding the best people he can find, which includes the military. >> mary? >> american hero john glenn who passed away at the age of 95. he was many things. he was a husband, a father, a marine fire pilot who for the in world war ii in korea, a test pilot, the first american to orbit the earth. he was a four-term senator and a true american hero and now he's slipped the early bonds of earth one last time and we wish him
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godspeed. thank you all. if you have your own hit or miss, tweet it to us. that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panel and for all of you for watching, i'm paul gigot. hope to see you all here next week. the incoming trump administration continues to take shape and generate lots of buzz. welcome to "america's news headquarter's" live in new york. you're seeing the president-elect who continues to meet more folks this week to build up his administration and many spots remain open, including secretary of state. now, we've learned that mr. trump is meeting with ceo of exxonmobil rex tillerson today. plus, did the russians intervene with our election to make sure that donald trump would come out the

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