tv Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace FOX News February 19, 2017 7:00pm-8:01pm PST
she will be back here next week. i'm not done, i am heading to join greg and the gang. he will be starting here shortly and i have to get going. thanks thanks so much for watching everybody. i will see you in a few minutes. i wonder if i should change outfits. i'll have to take a look. i still have 13 seconds to gett down to the first floor. it's kind of nice out. i'll enjoy being outside for a while. see you.dency. i'm chris wallace. donald trump campaign's to rally his supporters just one month into his presidency. >> i'm here because i want to be among my friends and among the people. [cheers and applause] chris: after lashing out at his critics -- >> the leaks are absolutely real. the news is fake because so much of the news is fake. chris: -- and denying he colluded with russia to win the election. >> i own nothing in russia, i have no loans in russia, i don't have any deals in russia. chris: the president defends the start of his administration. >> chaos. there's zero chaos. we are running -- this is a
fine-tuned machine. chris: we'll discuss where mr. trump goes from here with white house chief of staff reince priebus. plus, trump responds to a barrage of criticism from the media. >> we are not going to let the fake news tell us what to do, how to live or what to believe. chris: we'll discuss the combative relationship between president trump and the establishment with conservative radio talk show host rush limbaugh, live in a rare television interview. then, the gop splits over what to do about the trump agenda. >> i'm for complete repeal of obamacare, and the house leadership is putting forward obamacare light. crust chris we'll ask our sunday omnel if the divide will keep will i want to start with the
american people. the president believes the free and independent press is a threat to the country. >> no, i think the most part, i understand where he's coming from, there are certain things happening in the news that justt aren't honest. we are talking about everyone. we are talking about all news, but we are talking about something he has termed as fake news. let me give you an example. first of all, the new york times last week put out an article last week that said the trump campaign had constant contact with russian spies. basically it's treasonous accusations. we have all kinds of people looking into this.re i can assure assure you, i been approved to say this, the top levels of the intelligence community have assured me that story is not only inaccurate but it's grossly overstated and wrong. there is nothing to it.
if i can say that the american people, then what does it say about the story? the next day, the wall street journal puts out a story that says they have anonymous sources that say the intelligence community is purposefully cutting out material from president trumps briefing material that he gets every day. that then proved to be untrue. all the agencies put out a wa statement saying it was totally inaccurate.ke -- re >> i get the fact that you don't like some stories. first of all, he made some news at the top and i want to follow up on that. you say, you've said before you were part of the campaign so you can't speak to that. you say the say the intelligence community says there were no contacts between anyone in the trump campaign, any associate of mr. trump and anybody involved as a russian agent as to the
campaign with russia.. is that what you are saying? >> yes, absolutely. they have made it very clearleta that story in the new york times is complete garbage, inc. white frankly they use different words for matt. >> who was that. >> i'm not going to tell you. >> wait a minute. you are just complaining about unnamed sources and you're using an unnamed source.e. >> well, because i didn't ask for approval to use their name, but i'll tell you this. when i say say top-level people, i mean top-level people, okay so anybody involved in trump or russia in the 2016 campaign. >> no. if you look at devon's comments in the actual paper on the record. >> what about the house intelligence committee.>> >> he was briefed by the fbi and what did he do? he turned around and went on thr record and said this story iset complete garbage.
>> okay here's the problem. we do minute, here's the problem. i don't have any problem with you complaining about an individual story.t wron they get it wrong you sometimes get it wrong. i don't have you any problem of you complaining about by an bias but you went a lot further thanr that or the president went further than that. he said the fake media are an enemy to the country. we don't have a state run media in this country. that's what they have in dictatorships. >> okay, listen chris, it's not just two stories. tenants followed up by 24 hours a day, seven days a week of other cable stations, not necessarily fox, that all day long on every seven minutes they're talking about russian spies, talking about the intelligence community and how mean me and steve bannon don't like each other and what's kellyanne doing. this is total garbage, unsourced
stuff stuff. there's nothing wrong with background. reporters need background information. we need to give reporters context. all i am saying is if you are going to come out with this story that says russian spies are talking to your campaign, my god, i think you should, in some cases, or in most cases actually have a named source. look. look what we've done. we've repealed tpp. weaves signs of whole bill, we've named a new justice. before wait a minute. we and all the other cable>> rit channels covered live the announcement of the justice nomination.ring fre when the president says we are the enemy and it sounds like
you're going against him, you're going against the country. >> here is the problem chris the problem is you are right. some of these things were covered, but you get about 10% coverage on a meeting with the prime minister of the israel and others and as soon as it was over, the the next 20 hours is all about russian spies and no one gets along. >> you don't get to tell us what to do anymore than barack obama did. barack obama whined about fox news all the time but he never said we were an enemy of thehens people's. >> he said a lot of things about fox news.o i think you are a goat check the tape. he blamed you for a lot of things i'm surprised as someone from fox that you would forget about the shots. >> he took the shots and we didn't like them and frankly we don't like this either.. but he never went as far as president trump has and that's what's concerning.
it seems like he crosses the line when he talks about ncernin. being an enemy of the people that is concerning. sources, but to accuse an organization of being in constant contact with russian spies is outrageous. and every day it's something different, it's some other source that is absolutely untrue. two accuse that are going on -- them , president trump defended former national security adviser, now form be, retired general michael flynn and his phone call with the russian ambassador. here's the president.
>> mike was doing his job. he was calling countries and his counterparts. so it certainly would have been okay with me if he did it. i would have directed him to do it if i thought he wasn't doing it. chris: i want to be precise here. the president doesn't think there's anything wrong with his pick. he wasn't then in office, for national security adviser calling the russian ambassador to talk about we're going to review and perhaps lift sanctions precisely on the day that president obama imposed those sanctions because russia had interfered in the u.s. election. he doesn't think there's anything wrong with that? >> well, i don't think there's anything -- our legal department looked at this too. i don't think there's anything wrong with the subject of sanctions or new sanctions coming up. i don't think that that in and of itself is wrong, and i think that's what the president is saying -- chris: i'm talking specifically about this phone call at this time. >> and the legal department -- chris: you've got president obama who is so outraged -- >> i don't know why you're so hot here.
i mean, it's fine that you're going bananas here, chris -- chris: i'm not going bananas -- >> yes, you are. it's ridiculous. chris: it seems odd that thenits then, barack obama, imposes sanctions because he says russia had interfered with, undermined our election, and you've got mike flynn calling the ambassador saying, well, don't worry about it, we'll review the sanctions. you don't think there's anything wrong with that? >> you don't know he said that. what the president is saying that if the subject of the new sanctions came up, that in and of itself is not a problem. you know, how does -- when you have a national security adviser that's calling 30 different leaders a day, there are a lot of topics of the day that come up. what are these people supposed to do -- chris: why did the acting attorney general, sally yates, warn the white house counsel, don mcgann, and why was it called into a meeting, and you met with bannon and the president, why did all of that happen? >> what do you mean, why did it
happen? it happened because sally yates alerted and gave a heads up, it was later determined that there was no investigation ongoing. we looked at the matter, the legal department determined that there was nothing illegal that happened in the conversation, but then the issue turned to whether or not michael flynn was being honest and direct with the vice president, and ultimately the president determined that it was an unsustainable situation, and he fired or he asked for the resignation of mike flynn, i mean, that's what happened. chris: reince, let me ask you about that timeline, if i might, because the acting attorney general notified the white house on january 26th about discrepancies between what flynn had told vice president pence about the call and what transcripts showed flynn had actually said. but while the president and steve bannon and you all knew, the vice president didn't find out til he read it in the paper on february 9th. question: why didn't you, as chief of staff, tell the vice president over the course of 14
days? >> well, look, here is what happened. yates came in, gave a heads up to the white house counsel. white house counsel looked at the matter. the next day or the day after the investigation was closed and no longer going on, then the issue shifted to whether or not something was done that was wrong. the vice president was then looped in on the situation, and we talked to the vice president about whether or not michael flynn was being honest or not. the vice president knew that there was an fbi interview, and then ultimately we decided after about ten days bringing the vice president in that we decided that he wasn't being honest. that is the timeline. it happened very quickly, chris. chris: but the vice president says he didn't know for 14 days that he had been misled by michael flynn. >> no. the vice president knew that we were -- what the vice president didn't know, i believe, was that sally yates gave an initial heads up to don mcgann.
but once that, once the next day came and that investigation was closed, chris, that topic didn't come up again. this whole conversation shifted to whether or not michael flynn was honest with the vice president. chris: okay. >> he was then looped in on that conversation, and it was determined that he wasn't. chris: okay. >> that was it. chris: okay. one final question -- [laughter] we'll have a better conversation next time, reince. the president -- >> all right. chris: -- is now trying to find a new national security adviser, in fact, he's interviewing a number of people today. at least two candidates have reportedly been passed over because they wanted more control over how the national security council operates. question: is the president insisting that a political operative, steve bannon, play a major role in national security which appears to be a concern for some of these candidates? >> yeah, no. the answer to that is, no. and the answer to the first part of the question is, number one, the issue with admiral hardward
never came up, and we haven't really gone down the road with general petraeus. but as to the staffing at the nsa, the new nsa director can do whatever that, he or she wants to do with the staffing at the end -- chris: but when you say nor, are you say -- no, are you saying the new nsa director can say i don't want steve bannon as a member of the national security council? >> the president has said very clearly that the new nsa director will have total and complete say over the make-up of the nsc and all of the components of the nsc. and there is no demand made by president trump on any candidate for nsa director -- chris: including steve bannon be, because it's very unusual to have a political operative in that role. >> so those reports that you're citing, those are more fake news stories that are completely untrue. we've never put demands on an incoming nsa director. the nsa director can do whatever
he or she wants to do with the nsc and the make-up of the nsc. and the president has been very clear on that topic. and again, here we go, talking about more news articles that are not based on fact -- chris: you know what i did, reince? >> our word doesn't matter. chris: i asked you about it, and that's how good reporters find out whether something is true. >> because you're a good reporter. [laughter] chris: reince, thanks for your time today. always good to talk with you, sir. >> all right, thank you. chris: up next, the one and only rush limbaugh joins us live with his take on the administration's first month and what he says is the effort by the left to sabotage the trump presidency. ♪ ♪ double a's here, batteries you can trust against the ear hair you can't. without them you're conducting business with an armpit on the side of your head. that's not just some battery. that's a duracell battery. that's a power you can trust. tech: don't let a cracked windshtrust safelite.plans.
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♪ ♪ chris: love him or hate him, rush limbaugh is the king of conservative talk radio. 20 million people listen to him each week on close to 600 stations across the country. he's also written a new children's book called rush revere and presidency. and rush limbaugh joins us now live from his eib studio in florida. rush, welcome back to "fox news sunday." always good to have you, sir. >> thank you, chris, it's great to be here. chris: you say that what's happening to donald trump right now is that the left-wing courts, the left-wing media, the left-wing bureaucracy are trying to, in your words, sabotage his presidency. sabotage? >> well, actually, i do. and it is driven by two things, actually. the first thing that's going on, chris, in my view, it is prepost-- preposterous to
believe that the russians had any effect on the outcome of voting in this country. it's absurd, there is no evidence, zilch, zero, nada. "the new york times" has run two stories that are basically propaganda on this, one in october and one this past week, and both stories clearly say no evidence, nobody they've talked to has think evidence whatsoever the suggest it. the second thing i think that's important for people to remember, people that voted for donald trump, people that support donald trump really, really believe that they were going to lose the country if hillary clinton won. this is not an idle thought, it's not an exaggeration. they really believe that the country as founded was up for grabs, it was over if hillary had won, if the democrats had another four or eight years to do what they do with the judiciary and so forth. so those two things, and i think if you try to understand both of those -- not you personally, but people -- have a much greater ability to understand trump and
his supporters if you can intellectually accept those two premises. chris: you also use a phrase which i have to say that i only heard for the first time in the last couple of weeks, the deep state. and that's the notion that there's an obama shadow government embedded in the bureaucracy that is working against this new president. i think some folks are going to think that's right on, and some folks think it's awfully conspiratorial. >> well, i would love to claim credit for that but, actually, i think a reporter by the name of glenn greenwald at the intercept who has got a relationship with, what's his name, assange, i think he actually coined the term. and i think it works. i don't think there's -- who's driving this business that the russians hacked the election? it's the democrat party. it's hillary, it's obama, it's all those people who just can't accept -- chris: and you think they're behind the leaks too? >> absolutely. of course they are. they're trying -- look, they can't win at the ballot box.
you know they're down 1200 seats since 2010. they've become a marginal party electorally. all they've got is their embeds in the bureaucracy and the judiciary, and they're pulling out all the stops, there's no question. this business that the russians hacked the election, this is serious, serious allegation that is impossible. the russians could not have had any impact whatsoever on voting, either how they were cast or how they were counted. in fact, if you want to say they did, they did their job. hillary won the popular vote. how could they have possibly had -- this whole premise, and it's been driving news coverage here ever since trump took office and even before. you don't need any more evidence than that to suggest and to know that the left, which is run by obama and hillary and the hierarchy of the democrat party, is doing everything they can to undermine, sabotage and to prevent trump from implementing his agenda. there's no question about it. i know what trump should do. chris: well, i'm going to get to that in a second. but you suggest that there are
some things that president trump may be doing wrong. for instance, you've said that you're skeptical about his idea -- and we heard it again from reince priebus -- that they're going to come out with a new executive order on the so-called travel ban and that this new one is going to pass muster with the federal courts. you're skeptical about that. >> well, i don't -- not so much skeptical. i think they're going to do it, and i think they should do it because the judiciary, again, is pockmarked with judicial appointees that democrat presidents have made for years. and they're in there for life. as we have seen in the first executive order. you look, chris, his executive order hasn't even been ruled on. the judge in seattle said, well, the president said during the campaign that he wanted to ban muslims. it's irrelevant. they're not even using the law to try to stop the president on this. i think what the president has to do, and i was happy to see it. this rally was something that i
hoped he would do, and in the rally he really focused on domestic agenda. look, here's the thing, donald trump has nobody helping him other than the people who voted for him. obama had the media, obama had the you -- judiciary are, obama had all kinds of support. a typical question, what enchants you? obama was never challenged seriously by the media. trump doesn't have any of that. he's got to keep his supporters onboard, he's got to keep 'em revved up. so the rally was great. but the thing that will really make all this russia stuff and all this deep state stuff not take hold is getting to work implementing the repeal of obamacare, getting to work and really doing tax reform and getting to work and really shore up our borders, was that is the -- because that is the primary area where people that voted for trump felt that we were on the way to losing the country. we've even lost the definition of immigration. immigration today, if you listen to the left, equals anybody who wants to come into the country
should be allowed. that's not what immigration is. that's illegal immigration. and we ought to all oppose it. we are all in favor of immigration that determines who gets in, the quantity of people who get in, whether they assimilate or not. nobody's opposed to that. but immigration has been defined now as people flooding the country who are noncitizens, and that's called immigration according to the culture of the left. and we're, we're just ruining our opportunity to stay together as a people and a culture -- chris: i want to get to this question focusing on the domestic agenda, because interestingly enough, that's what you been saying, he needs to focus on the key things that would improve people's daily lives. there is a columnist for the washington ohs who is no conservative, and he actually -- washington post who is no conservative, and he actually wrote this week, he said rush limbaugh is exactly right about how donald trump can fix his problems; namely, focus, ignore
the political chatter and focus on the domestic agenda. but i've got to tell you, but historical standards, by this point obama's stimulus had already been passed, president trump is rate slow on obamacare, pretty slow on repealing obamacare, pretty slow on tax reform, and there's a lot of disarray inside the republican party on capitol hill. >> well, now here i have to tiptoe. [laughter] we're not talking republicans and democrats opposed to trump. we're talking establishment versus trump. trump considered to be an outsider. the establishment doesn't want any part of trump, they don't want him to succeed, and i would throw some republicans in that as well. it's just the way washington works. and this is why i think moving forward on this agenda is crucial. you mentioned obama's stimulus. here's the difference, and this is what trump's supporters know: it wasn't a stimulus. it was a payoff to unions, chris. it didn't stimulate anything. we don't have a growing economy.
we don't have jobs being created at a replacement level for those we have lost. we don't have anything obama said. he lied about -- chris: you may well be right -- >> this is important stuff, the -- chris: well, no, i'm not disagreeing with you, i'm just saying at least he passed his program, and president trump hasn't passed his programs yet. >> it makes my point. here you had -- i tiptoe again -- [laughter] chris: you're not very good at tiptoeing. >> well, and it's television. it's fox news. i have deep respect. [laughter] no, seriously, you have first african-american president, you have everybody falling all over themselves to acknowledge that, to reward that. obama was going to get everything he wanted in the first year was if anybody opposed it, they were going to be accused of being racist or a bigot or who knows what. but don't ignore the substance. the voters know that his stimulus -- doesn't matter when it got passed. he misled everybody about it. the people of this country are
tired of being misled. they're tired of vote aring base -- voting based on what candidates have told them they're going to do and nothing ever changes. trump has a wide berth here, chris. the media did not make donald trump, and they can't destroy him. but the media thinks, and when i say "media," let me define, abc, washington post, l.a. times, the cadre. they have a formula, a blueprint for destroying republican political officials they don't like. it's not going to work on trump. he doesn't fit that mold. they're trying to every day. it's kind of comical to watch. and my point about the domestic agenda -- chris: wait, wait, and i'm not interrupting because we, i'm just moving you along. i want to stay on this media issue, because you heard my conversation just now with reince rebus, and tell me what you think -- reince priebus, and tell me what you think. when trump sends out a tweet and says the fake media and all those organizations you just
listed are not my enemy, they're the enemy of the american people, does that go too far? >> well, again, not to his voters. his voters -- chris: i'm asking you, what do you think? >> i think that there's something to it. enemy of the people, enemy of the state, they're enemies of trump, and can trump won the election -- and trump won the election. trump won -- on substance. trump did more interviews, he explained his agenda more than any political presidential candidate ever has in my memory, and he has tried to stick to it as people perceive it. and this effort to stop him, that's -- this is what people include, anti-american, anti-this, it clearly is anti-trump. and trump has a connection with his voters that most politicians don't have. i understand it perhaps better than anybody this media, and that connection that he has is not anything that anybody be else can break. only he can break it. chris: and i've got about a minute left, so i'm going to ask you to keep to time on this.
>> is that all? chris: no, you've been doing great. as you look at where they are one month in, is he this good shape? is he in trouble? what's the state of the trump presidency? one minute. >> my impression -- well, it fends on who you ask. if you ask the media, they want people to believe it's chaotic and falling apart, and it's already over. trump's defeated, he doesn't know what he's doing, and everybody's running away from it, and we've got people in the deep state trying to sabotage trump in order to save america. i think he's doing exactly what he said he was going to do. bottom line, i don't really think he's fazed by all of this. i know donald trump. he's a winner, he's committed, and he has intended all along to do what he thinks is necessary to save the country. so perceptions are what they are. keep an open mind. we're only one month in, and he's got three years and 11 months to go. and his supporters have nowhere near gotten to the point where
they're worried or want to abandon him. they hope he hangs in, they hope he just continues to stick it to them, and they want to see this agenda move. and believe me, that's the magic here. get tax reform, obamacare repealed, and he's, he's free. chris: rush, thank you. thanks for coming in today. always good to talk with you. please, come back. >> thank you very much, chris. i appreciate this very much, i really do. always a pleasure. chris: up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss president trump's effort to seize control of the narrative from the media. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about the president's first month in office? just go to facebook or twitter @fox news sunday, and we may use your question on the air. ♪ well this here's a load-bearing wall. we'll go ahead and rip that out. (husband)yeah? it's going to cause a lot of problems. totally unnecessary and it triples the budget. (husband)mmmm. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi® double cash card does. earn 1% cash back when you buy, and 1% as you pay. double means double. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in!
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>> i would lean more towards the former than the latter, but let's give him credit. on substance, off to a strong start. a cabinet that's turning out to be impressive, regulatory changes to obamacare, republicans on the hill beginning to wrangle over what legislation to repeal it, tax reform, again, moving forward -- chris: so why chaos? >> well, because the process from. we saw that in the immigration executive order. they don't have a process in lace that is collaborative -- in lace that is collaborative that puts cabinet secretaries in front of the president to make their argument. they were rushed. they did it by using congressional staffers who didn't tell their bosses. and be as a result, they're going to have to have a redo. but, you know, that's -- we've got to give him credit. he's moving forward in a lot of ways. spectacle? boy, off the charts. i mean, early morning tweets, controversies about meryl streep's ability to act and then that blockbuster of a news conference. i mean, he -- the whole purpose
of which was to allow him to vent at the media. he looked like pharoah whipping those slaves getting them to build the pyramids. he was unhappy. [laughter] but what i really worry about is the narrative, and rush touched on this. chris: mo, same question: record card on president trump's first month. >> generally not good. and i think he's learning that he cannot govern the way he campaigned because there are other players here. he can't just go out and do what he wants to do. having said that, let's remember this: he had about 46% of the vote, right? about 38-41% consistently throughout, since the day he announced he was running for president through today are with him. they're not going to move. and rush talked about that. they're going to stick with him. for them, he's doing a great job. for them, he's moving with speed be, he's poking his finger in the eye of the establishment. whether or not he actually produces doesn't really matter, because he's the guy who's going to keep doing that. but now you've got about 5-8% of
trump persuadable voters, and they're watching this spectacle. and i'm not sure what they are saying. they are not seeing a domestic agenda moving forward. they are not seeing a guy who is actually fighting for them when he's mired by conflict of interest stories every single day. those are the people to watch. chris: there is another aspect to this first month, and that is the pushback by the establishment, various sources, and we asked you for questions for the panel, and we got a hot like this, a tweet from george who writes: what other president has faced as much resistance in their first month in office? where did the honeymoon go? and the question i guess i have for kim is when you look at all of the damaging leaks from the intel community or the fbi, when you look at the kind of rock-solid obstruction from democrats, when you look at a lot of negative stories from the media, does george have a point? >> yes, he has an absolute point. it's remarkable that donald trumps has accomplished what he has. i mean, we were talking about
this earlier, about asking rush whether or not there was some sort of conspiracy within the administration. i don't know if you these to go that far, but it is -- chris: he said conspiracy within the government. >> within the government. well, look, you had sally yates, she refused to implement -- chris: assistant -- i mean, the acting attorney general. >> acting attorney general who had to be fired because she would not go and defend the immigration order. this week scott pruitt was confirmed but not before we saw a remarkable display of epa employees calling their own senators and demanding he not be confirmed and put into office. there clearly is a significant part of the bureaucracy that's actively working against him. the bigger story in my mind about michael flynn and his resignation was who was behind the orchestrated takedown of this guy? somebody, clearly, in the intelligence community. chris: chuck, would you agree that this president is facing much stronger headwinds, much stronger, more concerted opposition than previous
presidents a month in? >> yes for two different reasons. let's just look at the last time we had a first term, first month. it was barack obama in 2009. the country was in the middle of an economic crisis that seemed to cry out for rapid action from washington on the one hand, and on the other hand, he had 60 votes in the senate. so you really couldn't stop him. so there was a lot less resistance for those very good reasons. but then over here -- chris: also didn't get the resistance from the news media. some would say that it was very compliant, and you certainly didn't get resistance from the deep state. i'm now loving the expression -- >> you sure got a lot of resistance from the republicans, but let me make my second point. of course you're getting resistance from all these sort of establishment agencies, the if you like, because donald trump himself came in promising to attack them, promising to disrupt them, promising to take them down. what does he expect them to do,
just stand back and let him, you know, destroy their influence and their power? of course there's going to be resistance. but, you know, he -- it's not as if he avoids provocation of these people, particularly the media as you have been pointing out. he relishes this combat. a lot of what he's complaining about as resistance and so far is resistance that he himself is provoking for the very political reasons that mo is describing, for his base, a battle with the media is wonderful. it's almost as good as actual policy change because it makes, it confirms their world view, it confirms their view of what's wrong with the country, and it's terrific politics. chris: okay. we have to take a break here, panel. when we come back, we're going to drill down on where president trump's legislative agenda stands and his escalating stands and his escalating attacks on the media and whether did you know 90% of couples disagree on mattress firmness? enter sleep number... she likes the bed soft. he's more hardcore. you can both adjust the bed for
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>> you're hurting american manufacturing and jobs. we are putting a bias against making things in america in the tax code. >> some ideas are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them. this is a theory wrapped in a speculation inside a guess. nobody knows for sure what will happen. chris: two republican leaders, house speaker paul ryan and senator tom cotton, disagreeing sharply about a key element of tax reform, a boarder adjustment tax. and we're back now with the panel. let's start with president trump's legislative accomplishments so far. at this point in 2009, let's put it up on the screen, congress had passed the obama stimulus package which rush just told us wasn't a stimulus, a measure enforcing equal pay and expanded the children's health insurance program. but now, kim, republicans are still arguing, and we saw it there about tax reform, they're
still arguing and seem in some form of disarray about obamacare repeal and replace, and this is a lot of complaints from -- and there's a lot of complaints from republicans about a lack of guidance from the trump white house. >> i actually couldn't disagree more, and i think this is one point where trump actually has a point about some of the coverage. all these endless stories saying house republicans are in disarray, they're not. they're going to come back after this presidential recess, they're going to present a consensus plan for obamacare that's going to include a lot of really major changes -- chris: what about the differences, and i mean, you know, you've got differences about medicaid expansion and what happens to that money, whether you're going to pay for this, what the cost going to be, what the access is going to be. >> well, right, because they're taking their time to deliberate this. the stimulus bill was passed so quickly because president obama said do this, and everyone in the democratic congress said, great, we'll jump, how high? there was no deliberation, and it ended up not being a very good bill because no one spent a lot of time on it.
other thing too, the house and senate have been remarkable. the house has passed more than the disapproval -- 12 disapproval resolutions, three of those have gone to the senate. the president has signed two of them. and mitch mcconnell in the senate has been running cloture voteses like you wouldn't believe, getting -- we finally got mitch mulvaney confirmed for omb, scott pruitt, so i think they've been accomplishing a great deal. chris: so, chuck, am i all wrong when i talk about the slow start legislatively for the trump white house? >> well, yes and no. chris: at least i batted 50% there. [laughter] >> i always say that. look, it's not so much the number of the bills, it's the con content of the bills x. it's true that at the beginning of the obama administration you had this legislation, but one thing those all had in common were they were giving things, they were spending money, you know?
and what the trump and gop agenda is, let's face it, taking things away in the sense of eliminating obamacare or, you know, overhauling the tax cold. it's a much more complicated operation by its nature. that little sound bite you showed of tom cotton versus paul ryan demonstrated that this border adjustment tax plan for corporate taxation that's been germinating in the house was always going to be a heavy lift in the senate. there was always a lot of pushback -- chris: and it's the idea that you're going to tax imports coming into the country, you're not going to tax exports and thereby supposedly you're going to create more of a market for jobs here in this country. >> yes. and guess who is located in arkansas and is dead set against that idea? that would be walmart which gets almost all of its -- not all, but a lot of its merchandise from china, and tom cotton, of course, represents them. and that's the dynamic of the senate. but i just want to make this point.
at some point you would think that once the spectacle of bashing the media and holding 77-minute, rambling press conferences is over, people are going to want to see something in the form of concrete legislation and something from the president in terms of plan. and they're going to have to present that at some point. chris: president trump says that part of the problem is that his staff is so busy putting out fake news media fires that they're having trouble doing their work to help the people. here he is from his news conference this week. >> when the media lies to people, i will never, ever let them get away with it. i will do whatever i can that they don't get away with it. [cheers and applause] they have their own agenda, and their agenda is not your agenda. chris: well, obviously, that wasn't the news conference, that was the rally, but it was the same message, karl, and i want to ask you and, you know, be
honest, tell me if you think i'm overreacting about the president's tweet on friday that the fake media is not my enemy, it's the enemy of the american people. >> yeah. well, enemy of the american people, that's a term we used thed for the axis powers ask the viet cong and al-qaeda and isis and the taliban. i think it was over the top and unnecessary and a furtherance of this administration's bigger problem. the bigger problem is not the fake news stories. the bigger problem is that they don't have a narrative. rush touched on this. they don't have a narrative that is based in the reason why they got elected. one-third of the american people thought the country was going in the right direction, they voted for hillary clinton. two-thirds of the american people thought the country was off on the wrong track, and a substantial majority of them voted for donald trump. 52% of the people in exit be polls said the number one issue was the economy, 18% terrorism, 13% immigration. they elected him because they want the economy to be stronger,
to create more jobs and bigger paychecks. and be to the degree that he spends his time as he did in that friday news conference, it was rock are 'em sock 'em. they had a lot of fun. he probably felt great after that. but what he missed was the opportunity to say to the american people i'm focused on jobs, growing our economy, making your paychecks better, making your communities safer, making your future more prosperous for you and your kids. and a president has a brief period of time at the beginning of their administration to create a narrative, and i'm afraid by focusing so much on these leaks as unfair as they may be and -- but he ought to be careful about unnamed sources, and he ought to be careful about -- he's the guy who on the basis of unnamed sources said president obama was not born in the united states, and that 9/11 was an inside job. so be careful about this. why don't you stay focused on the things that the american people really care about and use the enormous abilities he's got and the channels of communication to carry -- chris: we've only got a minute left, mo. i've got to say, presidents do
complain, and as i pointed out with reince priebus, barack obama was pretty unappealing, pretty, i thought, offensive in his constant whining about fox news. >> i guarantee you my friends on hillary clinton's campaign didn't necessarily believe that the media was in their corner during most of the campaign with the focus on her e-mails and a lot of the challenges that she faced. so, yes, there is a natural amount of push and pull with the press. but as karl said, i mean, using this type of language, turning people against entire constitutions that are the bedrock, part of the bedrock of our democracy is dangerous. and this president does have an opportunity right now. he's a master communicator. he's able to drive a conversation and a narrative unlike many others. use that to push his message, use that to tell the people what he wants to do. he's not doing that. chris: well, on that rare moment of praise for donald trump from you, mo, thank you. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. up next, our power player of the
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story in washington right now may just be with about the giant panda who's about to be sent halfway around the world, and a lot of people in the nation's capital are sad to see her go. here's our power player of the week. here she comes. we got some behind-the-scenes time with baba this week as the national made final reparations the send her to a new life in china. first stop, a scale. >> the way to any panda 's heart is a little bit of honey water. >> good girl. >> and that way she'll stand still voluntarily, and we can get a weight on her. chris: brandy smith, senior administrator at the zoo, took us through the paces. with the aid of honey water and hand signals, she put her paw out for a blood test.
>> that's where the vane is in a pan dash vein is in a panda's arm. chris: they also trained her to cooperate once she becomes pregnant in china. >> you lay down? >> the one keeper is always keeping her head busy, and now shelley's training her for an ultrasound. so she's getting her used to having her stomach touched. chris: that's why thousands of people are coming to the zoo and millions more watching on panda cam, to say good-bye. the arrangement has always been she would return to china before she turned 4 to reproduce. so these days have become a celebration of her life here, her miracle birth after her mom had failed to produce be a cub for almost a decade. early training, playing in the snow and other adventures. and exploring the world around her. oh, i e guess that's the only reaction you can have. >> she's a little bit sleepy this morning.
chris: we go back a long way with her. well, three years anyway when she was just six months old. she weighed 25 pounds then, not 200. and i was one of the first outsiders who got to feed her. >> you can see if she wants some. chris: she's liking that a little bit. >> she looks very grown up when she does this. chris: i, for one, am very proud of her. [laughter] >> don't put your hands too close. chris: no, i got that. that's not a problem. feeding her now is a different proposition. three years ago, baba, remember? here we go. here we go. you like that? [laughter] wow. you've grown up. >> so you've just made the panda very happy. chris: but her main task is to get used to the crate that will be her home for the 16-hour, nonstop federal express flight this week to the panda center.
why do you think her farewell is such a big deal? >> sometimes people say pandas receive too much attention, right? but this is what it takes to save an endangered species. chris: the panda population has increased 17 over a decade. -- 17 over a decade, but for the folks who have taken care of her these last few years, her leaving is still emotional. >> of course i am. she's my girl. but i think of it like a child going off to college. she's going on to better things, she's going on to have cubs of her own, and i'm so happy for her, it's hard for me to be sad right now. chris: she flies to china on tuesday, and officials at the national zoo are taking every step to make sure it goes smoothly, even a backup vehicle on the ride to the airport in case hers breaks down. after all, says one zoo official, the world will be watching. now, this program note. please tune to fox news channel tuesday at 7 p.m. eastern when
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