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incidental collection of evidence or conversations while they were investigating another matter, not related to russia. it's 3:00 on the east coast. noon on the west coast. 7:00 p.m. in london where the terror alert remains and the central london remains locked down. this is the area where the attack happened some hours ago along the westminster bridge over the river thames. four people are dead, including a police officer. 20 other people are injured with severe wounds in the hospital. benjamin hall has been on scene for us throughout the afternoon. let's cross over to him for an update. benjamin? >> yeah, hi, shep. it's been a chaotic day here. if you could have picked one place to get more exposure, it's
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tough to find them. the prime minister herself just speaking her weekly address. i'm not sure if you can see the bridge behind me. it's the westminster bridge. it was 2:35 when this attacker plowed his car into passers by on the sidewalk. one was forced to jump in the river -- >> breaking news. here's devin nunes. let's listen. >> just in order to keep you fully updated. today i briefed the president on the concerns that i had about incidental collection and how it relates to president-elect trump and his transition team and the concerns that i have. as i said earlier, there's more information hopefully by friday. the nsa is cooperating very well. we all say that the reports that i was able to see did not have
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anything to do with russia or the russian investigation or any ties to the trump team. with that, i'll take a couple questions. >> why is it appropriate for brief president trump given it's his own administration or campaign associates that are a part -- >> because what i saw has nothing to do with russia and nothing to do with the russian investigation. it has everything to do with possible surveillance activities and the president needs to know this. these reports are out there. i have a duty to tell him that. >> have you drawn conclusions before it was completed? >> i'm not drawing in any conclusion. i'm telling you what exists. >> it appears -- i don't want to get into details. these were intelligence reports. it brings up a lot of concerns
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about, you know, whether things were properly minimized or not. i've only seen some. it's in the dozens. we don't have the full scope of all the intelligence reports that were produced, or who ordered the unmasking of additional names. we're hoping to get that. >> are you saying the surveillance is -- if it wasn't related to russia or anything like that, are you saying it was political surveillance, political opponents as the president suggested in his tweets? >> what i've read bothers me. i think it should bother the president himself and his team because i think some of it seems to be inappropriate, but like i said, until we get the information to the committee, it's hard to really say until we see it in its totality. >> we knew there was some
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incidental collection. michael flynn was caught up talking with sergey kislyak. does this go beyond that? does this qualify of the wiretapping the president was tweeting about? >> it goes beyond what happened to general flynn. we don't know yet officially what happened to general flynn. we know his name leaked out. we don't know how it was picked up yet. that's one of the things we asked for in our march 5 letter, was for the nsa, cia and fbi to get us all the unmasking that was done. the nsa i cooperative. the fbi has not told us whether or not they're going to respond to our march 15 letter, which is a couple weeks old. >> does this describe what the the president was talking about? talking about "wiretapping" which they said was broader surveillance? >> when you -- what i've read seems to be to be some level of
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surveillance activity, perhaps legal, but i don't know that it's right and i don't know that the american people will be comfortable with what i've read. let us get all the reports -- >> was the president directing it? >> it's possible. >> the president said that president obama tapped his phone. >> no, no, no. that didn't happen. i've said this for many, many weeks, including the day after -- a couple days after in front of the press. that never happened. so that never happened. >> did president obama order any kind of surveillance of the president? >> well -- >> the president-elect. >> we don't know who sent the taskings, if the taskings were changed in what went in the intelligence reports. we're going to try to find that
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out. >> did the justice department give you the okay to talk about this. >> the justice department doesn't have anything to do with it. this is information that was brought to me that i thought the president needed to know about incidental collection where the president himself and others in the trump transition team were clearly put into intelligence reports that ended up at this white house and across a bunch of other agencies, and i thought it was important for the president to know this. that's why i briefed the speaker this morning. i calm down here as soon as i could. >> how many people are you seeing in these reports? do any of them currently work at the white house for mr. trump? >> yeah. i don't want to get into the specifics of it. i was only able to see a few dozen of which i think a lot of it does have foreign intelligence value.
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>> how many reports? >> dozens of reports that i saw that i was hoping that the nsa, fbi, cia will provide. i want them to provide them to our committee so all the members have an opportunity to see what i've been shown. >> [question inaudible] >> i think the president is concerned. he should be. i think he would like to see these reports. i hopefully -- when we get them, hopefully they'll get them to the white house also. >> you believe the president appropriately used the word "wiretapping" in his tweets based on the information you've seen? >> i think the wiretapping, if you use it generally like the president has said, he clearly used it differently than what i think a lot of people tooked, did obama wiretap, which didn't happen. the president has been clear on that. >> the physical acts of wiretapping, do you see anything -- >> no, no. i said that on day two.
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after -- >> did you rule out the possibility that senior officials were involved in this? >> no, we cannot. >> given you said there was a fisa that wasn't approved by a judge, are you concerned that you're saying members of the trump team were in contact with people that were targets of counter intelligence or some form -- >> no. no. this would be -- i think you're reading too much into that. this is normal intelligence reporting, normal intelligence reporting. the question is, should he himself or others, should they have been put into these reports. i don't know the answer to that yet. we're going to try to get to the bottom of it. >> so there wasn't monitor something. >> there's two issues here. there's additional unmasking of names, which is totally inappropriate. but we have to -- i don't know how many names were unmasked,
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but i know there were additional unmaskings that occurred. then you have the issue of the names that were put into these intelligence reports that we have to get to the bottom of it. that's why we sent the letter two weeks ago. we need the response to it. >> are you suggesting that mr. trump's communications are in those reports? second, are you saying that this could trigger a separate investigation? third, why did you not discuss this with the ranking members before you came to the white house? >> yes, no, and i'm going to be meeting with mr. schiff at some point to talk about where this investigation goes. i had to brief the speaker first and then i had to talk to the c.i.a. director, the nsa director and i'm waiting to talk to the fbi director because he has not told us how he's going to get us this information. i talked to all of you. not you yourselves but those of
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you that exist at congress and then i voted and i said i was coming here to brief the president and i'll be glad -- >> can you clarify, mr. trump's communications that were in the report -- >> you're concerned about it but -- >> we're investigating it. >> you said no -- >> no, no. incidental -- because we're already investigating. we're not opening -- >> you said it has nothing to do with russia -- >> because it has to deal with the unmasking of names and whether or not this was gathered properly. >> so an ongoing investigation, you thought it was important enough -- >> remember, we've had an ongoing investigation into russia for a long time and their activities. we have the scoping document of the russian investigation and we will continue to investigation anything and anything and anything else that might be caught up in this. we're concerned what ends up in
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intelligence products and whether or not there was unmasking. i'm going to have to get back to the capitol. >> can you say what he was communicating about or who he was communicating with? >> no, i can't get into that. >> you said that somebody brought you this information recentsly. who brought you -- >> i can tell you that we've been asking for people to come forward. they came to the proper channels, they had the proper clearances and i'm going to leave it at that. we have to protect people who came forward in the right manner and got the information. i'm not going to say it's one person. >> you talk about this being collected incidentally but you said it had nothing to do with russia. are you suggesting they could have been collected as part of a criminal investigation? a criminal warrant? >> no. >> how do you know -- >> in the dozens of report i was able to see, i was able to determine that it was -- it
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looks like it was legal collection, incidental collection but made itself into intelligence reports. so it has to deal with fisa, a multiple number of fisa warrants out there. there's nothing criminal at all involved. i'm going to take one more question. >> was the information looked at real time or collected, stored and allowed to be looked at later? >> it was fairly quickly from what i have seen. we have to -- once we get the reports, then we can ask more questions of the agencies that produced the reports. >> if it was legal collection, what is it inappropriate about it and are you attempting to give the president political cover for his wiretapping claim? >> because we -- the reason that we do this and we have all of these procedures in place is to protect american citizens that are incidentally collected.
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there's certain thresholds that have to be met to make it into foreign intelligence products. if something else happened where it appears to me like there were things that maybe they didn't meet the minimum qualifications, i don't know, but there's things that don't reach the level of foreign intelligence value. if that's the case, you have to ask yourself why did they end up in reports. >> just to clarify, this is not intentional spying on donald trump or anybody -- >> we won't know that until -- we won't know that until we get to the bottom of did people ask for the unmasking of additional names within president-elect's transition team. >> you said legal and incidental. that doesn't -- >> i would refer you to -- we had a similar issue with members of congress that were being picked up in incidental
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collection a little over a year ago. we had to spend a full year working with the dni to notified the members of congress, which comes through the gang of eight. i would refer to that because it looks very similar to that. the best way i can describe it. >> was a name unmasked? >> i can't say that. it's very clear who is in these reports. i have to go, folks. thank you. >> was it people in the intelligence committee or -- >> we don't know that yet. we don't know who did the unmasking and who it would have been disseminating too. thank you, guys. i'm fine with the healthcare bill so i don't have to talk to him nor awhile. thank you. >> shepard: the chairman of the committee that's been investigating. john roberts is there at the white house as well. john, are you comfortable with what this is? >> well, this seems to be the
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support that the white house has been looking for for a long time. i spoke with white house officials at the beginning of the week. i said how soon can you get this wiretapping thing behind you. they said "we're working on it." i don't know if that is different than what we saw today, but this goes a long way to giving the president cover on what he said. you heard me specifically ask devin nunes there of the intelligence committee, the house, does this seem to back up what the president was saying in terms of "wiretapping" or broading surveillance. he said it possibly does. so let's just go quickly through what the chairman was talking about. he said this was incidental collection and unmasking of people associated with the trump campaign. incidental collection, if you're lieutenant general michael flynn and speaking with the russian ambassador, somewhere is listening to that and you were incidentally collected as part
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of a target. what the chairman of the intelligence committee said, what he was troubled about, is the unmasking of individuals on the american side who might have been in contact with the russian officials. he said this was fisa court-related. any time an american gets caught up in collection of that type, their name and their attachment to this is supposed to be "masked", which means they cannot be identified. so what has happened over the last few weeks, shep, is that lieutenant general michael flynn's name is unmasked and further more leaked, which is a felony in the united states and chairman nunes believes more people were unmasked. these are names that should have been kept secret. he wants to know who asked for the names to be unmasked. that's where we are with this right now. he said the nsa is cooperating fully, the fbi not so much and
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hopes to have more friday. shep? >> as far as the political cover, this is the tweet from president trump. terrible. just found out that obama had my wires taps in trump tower. that's not what this is, is it? >> that could -- i asked specifically of the chairman, is this what the president was talking about. does this basically prove what he's been saying? he said possibly. the president said "wiretapping" in his first tweet. subsequent tweets were "tapping my phones" or tapp, misspelled tap. he was more direct about it. chairman nunes said there was no evidence of any hard wiretapping of phones at trump tower, but evidence of incidental collection of people associated with the trump transition or members of the trump transition, when, i assume, the nsa or fbi was listening to communications with foreign nationals, shep.
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>> shepard: he hadn't informed his counter part there, the leader. there's a lot more to be done here. >> yeah. adam schiff, the ranking member of the intelligence committee has not been informed. he ran down how he informed and who he informed them. he informed the speaker of the house, then the c.i.a. director and then the nsa director. he's waiting on the fbi. he went to vote and then he came to inform the president of the united states and now he's going to go back up on capitol hill because he has to vote and then he will talk with adam schiff who is his democratic counter part on the intelligence committee. we'll see where this goes. >> shepard: the spoken has just spoken on this matter. it's my understanding he was speaking to a congressional black caucus group and was asked by a correspondent there, a pool reporter, when all of the members of the press aren't always allowed to every event but the white house pool reporter will be there and there
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will be a camera on whatever the president is doing. that was the case today. the president was speaking. the pool reporter asked, do you feel some level of vindication based on this new information? i'm stretching now because they're about to play this video out from the white house. here it is. >> with that, let's get going. thank you all very much. >> do you feel vindicated by chairman nunes? >> we're checking the audio. they'll re-rack it and play it again. its so topical and of the moment, i want you to hear it. we don't have control of this being played out. it's played out by the pool in washington. normally they check audio level and push play again and we'll hear that. john roberts, we're waiting for that. we wish they would press play. we want to take it to air.
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the president was asked, do you hear some level of vindication. >> for folks at home, what they're seeing here, we have to cue up five networks so we get this played out at the same time. they give us a two-minute warning, which can be excruciatingly long particularly when you're trying to fill that time. 120 seconds can feel like 120 days at some point. but again, the white house has been looking for something to back up the president's assertions there was some sort of surveillance of people inside trump tower. we know lieutenant general michael flynn just from news reports, nothing official on this, appeared to have been caught up in some sort of conversation with sergey kisl k kislyak. we understand that was probably true. you want to be listening in to foreign nationals to find out what they're talking about in the united states or what they're talking about in regard
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to the united states. may have been michael flynn was in trump tower in one of the conversations and the surveillance goes to trump tower. i've also talked with another person associated with the campaign, carter paige who believes he was surveilled by the fbi and surveilled and he was frequently in trump tower and his office was behind trump tower. he had several meetings there. possible that his cell phone, if it was being surveilled, was at trump tower during some point. so that could be potential point of incidental collection. shep, the interesting thing about what nunes told us a short time ago, that this goes well beyond lieutenant general michael flynn and that several members of the trump transition team or campaign were unmasked. we don't know who asked for that unmasking. we don't know the names of those people. it's a felony to leak the name
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of somebody that has been unmasked in the fisa collection. shep? >> shepard: this would add new grits for the political mill if nothing else. they're playing the president's sound in about 15 seconds now. it's very quick. it's just a quick question and a question answer from the president. here it is. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> do you feel vindicated by chairman nunes? >> i somewhat do. i must tell you, i somewhat do. i appreciated the fact that they found what they found. i somewhat do. >> what is in it? >> thank you very much. >> back to john roberts now at the white house. it sounds like we know only a sliver of whatever is that is there. >> yeah. you heard this president. he asked do you feel somewhat vindicated but the information that chairman nunes has shared
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with the media and with you today and with the c.i.a. director and the nsa director. he said i somewhat do. i appreciate what they found. again, shep, chairman nunes pointing to this coming friday when he says he hopes to have more, that the nsa is being very cooperative. his words with his investigation. it's interesting to note, shep, he was asked this question, was it appropriate for the chairman of the -- the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee to immediately after he found about this come running over to brief the president on it. there is a certain and i'm probably going to get in trouble from trump supporters on this, a certain sense of dog and pony show about this thing that he didn't just call down to the white house, that he made a show of coming down here almost on an emergency basis and briefing the president about all of this so that the president had that information in hand when he would next have the entire white house pool in there and could talk about it. the president could talk about
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anything he wants at any point in time. but there does seem to be -- i don't want to say a level of coordination but certainly a sense of urgency to get this information out there. >> shepard: john roberts, thank you sir. the associated press reported today, this was discussed in the white house briefing, that president trump's former campaign manager, paul man north worked for an oligarch to push for president putin. it was further reported that manafort wanted to undermine anti-russian opposition across former soviet republics. he signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in the year 2006. jeff horowitz is life with us, the reporter that worked on it. this is allegations that paul manafort that worked for russian interests but said he did not,
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right? >> that's true. paul manafort, trump's campaign chairman for five months, including the republican convention has said his work in eastern europe was to helping a ukrainian party. the documents and the sources that we have been in touch with and reviewed in terms of the documents demonstrate that man ford was in fact working throughout a number of years, starting in 2004 and continuing to 2009, he was working on behalf of men close to vladimir putin and traveled with him on trips. >> the white house has tried desperately to distance itself from paul manafort. they said he worked for a limited time and a limited capacity, which i think by any observation is vastly understating his role. in the convention, he went
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reporter to reporter and was introduced as the chairman hoff the campaign. it's not as he was one of the hanger ons. >> this is probably true. i don't think that sean spicer will want to dwell on whether paul manafort was a key member of trump's campaign. but the -- the response from the white houses that been this is old work and that it doesn't really relate to the trump campaign. that's kind of true in the sense that the work that manafort did was over by that point in time, by the time the campaign began. however, the important thing that our reporting shows is that paul manafort was quite willing and quite explicitly willing to work on behalf of russian interests. not just oleg's interests but promote interests as manafort described them were good for the
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"putin government" in eastern european, former soviet block nations. he was gun for hire willing to do this work and had those contacts. >> shepard: jeff horowitz from the a.p. bureau in washington. the report is up now on the associated presentation and on foxnews.com. thanks, jeff. we're continuing to cover the dramatic developments in london. a terror attack has happened. they're working to determine whether the lone knife wielding, car driving man was inspired by isis propaganda. exactly what his motive was. four are dead, 20 injured. fast approaching half passed 7:00 in london. coverage continues after this.
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>> shepard: breaking news on fox news channel. the investigation continues in london as central london is on
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lockdown. an eye witness said he was standing on the island in the middle of the bridge when the car came and melted the pavement. came up on the curb where the people were standing. he said it had to be going 35 miles an hour, really fast. careened on the pavement, hit a ton of people. looked like he lost control but he sped up. he said there was a barrier that he hit. the witness said i was thinking to myself, he's not slowing down. when he accelerated, i didn't understand. 20 people are injured. four people including a police officer and a knife wielding man. benjamin hall has more. benjamin? >> as you say, all the streets around parliament locked down. you can hear the helicopters up and down the river thames. ambulances and police just crawling the streets. the police are considering this a terror attack. what we know so far, the driver veered off on the sidewalk.
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he knocked down numerous people. one lady was knocked in the river thames. she was found alive. another trapped under the wheels of a bus. that attacker went on to the house of the parliament where he rammed his vehicle there. when he entered, he stabbed a police officer. the policeman is now among the dead. he then charged two armed police officer. he died when they shot him. the police here in london are not armed. if you found one place that is armed, it's this. one place that is surveilled, so watched, this is it. a group of french teenagers are among the 20 that are in the hospital at the moment. there's people from around the world coming here. one of the most recognizable sports that you can come. so the investigation moving forward, we're hearing that theresa may that was inside
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parliament and hosting a meeting of the cobra group, the security forces. they'll try their best to piece together the evidence and find out what was behind this. there's a lot of video evidence. again, such a popular place and because the press corps overlooked the court yard where this happens. we're hearing from a lot of journalists. mps have just recently been allow to leave westminster halls. there's 5,000 that work in the palace here. many still remain inside. people were being taken back and forth building to building. police say there was only one attacker. this is a vehicle-born attack. people say that's an unsophisticated weapon but very little that can stop that. we've seen it in berlin, the
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u.k. in 2013 when lee rigby was hit. this is a recurring theme that we're seeing here and comes at the same time that isis on their back foot in syria and iraq. there's 68 foreign ministers in dc to discuss the anti-isis coalition. it's a year to the day that 32 people were killed in brusselsed and attack on the subway and airport there. we don't want to speculate. we don't flow who was behind this. but there's many pointers that point to it being inspired at least by isis. at the moment, london very much still on edge. many in the streets locked down and frankly it feels over here that, you know, terror, as many people dreaded, has come here to the very center of the u.k. shep? >> ben hall in central london for us. let's go to our london newsroom. greg palkot in there. in nice, it was the coastline
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there. today it was an s.u.v. cars as a weapon seems to be a thing. >> cars as a weapon and knives as a weapon, shep. this shows the different kind of ugliness that terror is on this side of the pond. have to remind our viewers that guns harder to get here in the u.k. and in europe than in the united states. other means are used and encouraged, including a vehicle. the assailant used a s.u.v. mowing down the 20 people along the bridge. similar to, as we've been noting, the nice frank attack where a truck was used to kill dozens along the sea front in july. we were there in december watching the carnage in berlin where a truck was used as well. a happy crowd, tourist crowd. maybe a lot of tourists here leading up the parliament. as you know, shep, the weapon very simple.
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a nice, maybe a kitchen knife. a couple inches long. if it's terror, that was a weapon that created death. the policeman was stabbed and killed as the assailant entered the parliament before he was shot and killed. springs to mind other knifings we've seen the past couple years here in europe for a cause. brings to mind an ugly machete killing in east london. one final note, shep, we spend a lot of time around the houses parliame parliament. since 9-11, the security has been beefed up. there's holes in the security. there's a steal wall that goes around part of the parliament. there's a gap. and that allowed the assailant in his s.u.v. to smash into the fence that is a perimeter fence and also a walking pedestrian
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entrance that allowed him to burst inside the grounds and to kill a policeman before he was shot down. these are security gaps which obviously right away will be looked at very hard here in the u.k. >> shepard: greg palkot in our london newsroom, this is a year after coordinated suicide bombings in brussels that killed 32. isis claimed responsibility. trace gallagher live with more. trace? >> the attacks in brussels a year ago were timed out to increase the number of casualties. it was 8:00 a.m. local time in brussels when the first shots rank out in the departure hall of the brussels airport. the international terminal used by carriers including american airlines. second after the first explosion happened, passengers began panicking. but they were now running to the second bomb that exploded a few
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minutes later near a starbucks coffee shop. a third divide, a suicide vest was found in the same area. the shootings and bombings killed 19 including three attackers. it wounded more than 300 others. the authority had shut down the airport trains as well as the roads to the airport and every available first responder was involved in the massive operation. as police, med diggs and ambulances were rushing to the airport, seven miles to the southwest near the european 8181 headquarters, another explosion tore through a brussels metro train filled with rush hour commuters. another bomb exploded in the last car of a three-car subway that pulled away from the station at 9:11 a.m. an additional 16 people were killed on the train with numerous others injured. both say both the airport and on the trains, the victims suffered
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deep cuts caused by flying glass and nails indicating the bombs were packed to cause maximum damage. the bombings were the deadliest acts of terrorism. the terror cell involved in the brussels attack of isis has baseball involved in the attacks on paris back in november of 2015. shep? >> trace gallagher live for us. were thehere warnings? we'll go to jennifer griffin at the pentagon after this. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a medication... ...this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain... ...and protect my joints from further damage. humira has been clinically studied for over 18 years. humira works by targeting and helping to... ...block a specific source... ...of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain and...
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chatter even though there were some reports of -- a.p. was reporting a european security official said they had seen chatter in recent days. senior officials said they expected an uptick in terror attack in europe as the u.s. led military coalition ramps up the fight to take the isis capitol raqqa. the london parliament attack coincided with an anti isis coalition meeting a -- at the state department today. the meeting was load by secretary of state rex tillerson and the defense secretary, jim mattis. boris johnson missed the group photo at the state department meeting following the london attack. a u.s. military briefing from baghdad described how the anti-isis attack is happening
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and syrian peace talks continue in geneva. we learned from baghdad, u.s. army helicopters airlifted syrian fighters to within 28 miles west of raqqa. they're starting to close in on raqqa, shepard, while u.k. police are treating this as a terrorist incident, it's not known who is responsible. we've been told not to jump to conclusions about which group, if any, might be responsible for this. they're looking at the possibility that this could be a lone wolf attack. >> shepard: jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. members of the freedom congress say they have enough house to kill it in the house of representatives. the vote is 48 hours away. what does this mean for the trump agenda and for all of our healthcare? carol lee is here from the "wall
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>> shepard: the house of representatives is settle to hold a critical vote to repeal and replace obamacare. but the freedom caucus says they have enough no votes to defeat the bill. they're calling on gop leaders to start over. let's bring in carol lee. the president and paul ryan seem to suggest that they're trying to wrangle votes here. sounds like they haven't made the progress that they had hoped. >> well, they have made some progress but it's not clear if it will wind up being enough. frankly, even if it is enough and this bill goes through for a vote and clears the house, they have a long way to go, particularly in the senate. getting a bill that can please
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everybody in the party with the expectation there won't be in democratic support will be a challenge. this is a very big test for this president and the speaker working together to make good on some of their biggest promises. actually, the biggest promise that they both made. >> shepard: they made changes monday night. what were the changes and why didn't they work? >> well, it's part of this process, right? you have -- what you have seen happen in the last week or so is you have a president that is trying to win over certain lawmakers getting them and then do something else to get other lawmakers and corral support. for instance, he agreed to make some changes to medicaid, which obviously brings along certain group of lawmakers. but at the same time, it's
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something that others don't support. so many think they didn't go far enough and it went too far. if you step back and take a big picture look at this, this is for president trump his first big test legislatively. it's not something he has done before. it's been interesting to watch how he has worked this particular vote. at the beginning, he wasn't publicly leaning to this process. in the last week, he has. so he's armed individually, having people over to the white house, talking publicly about it. embracing everybody at the hill. that was a real moment. so the next 48 hours will be really interesting to watch. >> shepard: what happens if this bill dies? what happens next? >> they could come back and try to do something again. politically that would be -- if the republicans, the dozens of
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times that they have tried and succeeded in passing obamacare during president obama's tenure, for them to have the house and the senate and the white house and not be able to deliver on that promise would be a very difficult thing to explain to their constituents, because this is an issue that republicans have been campaigning on since 2010. if this doesn't work this week, they will probably come back and try to do it again. if ultimately it fails, it's a political price for them. >> i'm sure there's people out there wondering, maybe they have gotten their healthcare coverage through an exchange or they have seemed uncertain. this is not to say people are about to lose their coverage as a result of this, is it? >> that's another piece. even if they're successful in this as we saw with president obama's healthcare effort, the healthcare is very complicated and implementing something like this is bound to have hiccups.
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it's not always smooth that will be taking place against a backdrop of a political season. you'll have the mid-terms and obviously have a presidential re-election. there's potentially some political blow-backs that could happen either way on this piece. >> is there a sense for what -- is there something that some of these members of the freedom caucus -- i understand some moderates are about it now. so is there some chip for them, is there something that can be done to get the votes? >> they're sure trying. you've seen a not of individuals like -- the centrists, to go to your point, those are the moderates, the ones that are going to require a lot, whether it's a sweetener or something for them. they need an incentive to do this. no arguments that the president is making conservatives say look, i'm doing this for you, you promised me.
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i'm popular in your district, by the way, that's not salient if you're a moderate. they don't care whether president trump is criticizing them. they need something for them. that isn't just saying that the president is not going to have their backs if they don't support this. that's not going to work. that's where you're seeing the sweeteners come in. >> shepard: especially those up for re-election the next time around. from what we've seen from town hall meetings, people are none too pleased. if these congressmen and women have run on this platform don't get this accomplished, you wonder what the folks at home have to say. carol lee, her work is at wsj.com. great to see you. thank you. >> thank you. >> shepard: all right. coming up, top of the hour headlines with neil cavuto. he will be here with us. the markets have reacted today to some degree. certainly over in london and
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>> shepard: continuing coverage of breaking news out of london where we just learned from sky news in the united kingdom that london authorities know who the dead assailant was. whether they were familiar with him, in other words where he was on a terror watch list or something like that, remains to be seen. british authorities have not released the name of the man that was shot and killed by authorities as he wielded a knife and stabbed and killed a police officer after driving a vehicle and a s.u.v. across a bridge over the river thames and injured 20 people and killing two more. witnesses described the scene. let's listen. >> i don't know why he parked there and what was in the car. and then the green light
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changed. the car speeded up, passed me. after that, he hit the victim. i didn't pay attention. and then i knew something was going on. of the bridge, i don't know is happening but a lot of people were there and the car went straight. >> shepard: the car plowed across this bridge we're told at 35 miles an hour. came up on to the curb, ran over a number of people, a couple of people we understand plunged into the river. he got out of the car and stabbed a police officer. before it was over, he and a police officer and two were dead. more than 20 injuries. neil cavuto will take over our coverage in just a moment. markets are closing now on wall street on a wednesday afternoon. the numbers are flat. the session had been down almost all of the sectors earlier in
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the session. the nasdaq was off. right now nasdaq and s&p are in the green. neil cavuto has continuing coverage of the terror attack in london and all the business news of the day. this is fox news channel. >> neil: thank you, shepard. i'm neil cavuto. you're watching "your world." this is a look at downtown where the great towers once stood, the freedom tower. new york under heightened alert, the same in washington d.c. the same going on in los angeles. if you're a major city in the united states, you're not taking any chances. four hours after what appears to have been a terrorist attack in london that claimed four lives. when we step back, i want to

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