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5:00 p.m. eastern time to 7:00 p.m. the first 100 days hosted by martha maccallum, that show starts now. >> martha: there are five days to go now in the first 100, the president clearly wants to make this a big week, and establish his record in the white house. welcome, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. take a look at sean spicer today. >> when you look at the totality of what we've accomplished on job creation, on immigration, on trade, it is unbelievable what he has been able to do. >> martha: the president started the day today, though, this way, pushing the timetable on travel to mars. watch. >> it will be approximately in the 2030s. >> we want to dry do it during
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my first time, or at worst, during my second term. i have to speed it up a little bit. >> martha: get a move on it, right. also this telling thought. watch. >> dealing with politicians so much, i'm so much more impressed with these people. >> martha: so the white house, trying to get congress to step it up on capitol hill, gary cohen will there be, so will steve manu chchin, and wednesda secretary of state will brief 100 senators, in an unusual move. the democrats and republicans will be together. getting a briefing from the secretary of state on the reality of the threat that exists from north korea. so as 100 days draws to a close, the president expected to going back to using his pen for several more executive orders over the course of the coming days, one of them emerging this evening. we are going to mention that in just a second. let's go to kevin cork at the white house, what can we expect over the course of the week. >> reporter: you're right, martha. a frenzy of executive orders
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here in the last week of the first 100 days in office, where president trump and i think this is also important to point out, in fact, by friday if it keeps it up, he'll have signed nearly three dozen executive orders in his first 100 days, that's the most since world war ii. now, there are a few that i want to run by you. the very first, i think arcs, a of people will find interesting, whistleblower at the department of veterans affairs. how about this one, one for a review of designations under the antique quitties act, more on that in a bit, implementing an american first off shore strategy and executive order promoting agriculture and rural prosperity in america. now, i mentioned i wanted to drill down, martha on a couple of these. first, the order improving accountability and whistleblower protections at the va. it will establish an office of accountability and whistleblower protection and also help the va secretary discipline or even fire va managers and employees
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who fail to carry out their duties in helping our veterans. obviously, a very important executive order for the president. there is another, this is the america first energy executive order. it directs a review of the locations available, get this, for off-shore oil and gas exploration and certain regulations governing off shore oil and gas exploration. that should abe very big set of news there, especially on the energy front. speaking of, i want to tell you about one more. it will probably get a little bit of push-back, the antique quitties act, and that will look at howhebama ainistration in its final months in office decide to set aside million of acres of american land as monuments and other specialty designations. what that means is essentially taking it off the table for possible expiration for energy resources or any other development.
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the administration wants to look at that and could get blow back, but they'll move forward on it. we'll see if the review makes a difference. for now, back to you. >> martha: critics saw that as a government land grab essentially. thank you very much, kevin. kevin cork at the white house. let's go to mark, former speech writer for george w. bush, good to have you here. >> good to be with you. >> martha: a lot on the table. the evaluation of what he has done so far, zach, let me start with you. as he heads into this, a bit of frustration on a legislative front, but he has a lot of unraveling of what the obama administration did that he has meth methodically worked his way through. >> it has been a big disappointment, but sort of a lot of unraveling, most of these executive orders are theater. they're study groups and blue ribbon commissions. it is the -- it is a perception
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of activity, because what they're could go doing is getti. there is failure after failure on that side. and they're panicking in the white house. that's why you're seeing this flurry of activity right now to see if they can paper-over their extraordinary broken promises. >> martha: perhaps you have another viewpoint on it? mark, what do you think? >> zach wasn't saying that when barack obama was using his pen and phone. he had a different line back then. as did all the democrats did. look, donald trump has -- donald trump has -- can look back on this 1 hundred days and say that he has accomplished something more significant than any of his predecessors in modern history, putting a supreme court justice on the supreme court that will affect the direction of this country for the next three decades. barack obama's is forgotten.
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george bush's tax cuts, those have been amended by his successor. for the next three decades, every 5-4 vote that goes the will be donald trump's 100 day achievement. >> martha: it is interesting to look at sort of the communications effort that we have seen happening clearly this morning, and in recent days. you see steve mnuchin out front, nikki haley, very much out front. i think there is an effort to put some of these folks that they have a lot ofonfidee in out there speaking on behalf of the administration, and talking about what they want to do. so this tax reform picture that we're getting, if you can simplify the tax code, asth ma knew ch -- mnuchin wants to do, cut the tax rate for individuals and corporations as well, zach, are you -- what do you think?
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for or against cutting taxes for the middle income folks and for businesses in this country? >> look, everyone is for cutting taxes for middle income folks, but that's not what tax reform is for this white house. this is for the wealthy and leaving the middle income folks high and dry. >> martha: that's not what they said today. you may turn out to be right, but that's not what they are stated goal is today. >> i'm right. >> martha: you're sure you are right. why would they want to do that? that makes zero sense. >> it absolutely makes zero sense, which -- but that's the playbook they did with the health reform repeal act. they went after popular programs, like raising seniors premiums, and they seem to be doing the playbook with so-called tax reform, a big fat tax cut for the wealthy. >> martha: that won't go over well if that's the case. >> that's not the case.
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donald trump was elected because the democrats lost their -- 700 counties in this country that voted twice for obama. a third of them voted for donald trump. those are the votes he will give a tax cut toch. zach is wrong. what they need to do, however, is learn from mistakeshey made with the obama care repeal. don't rush it. they seem too desperate to get it under the wire. the 100 days doesn't matter. no president in the history has been judged by history on his first 1 hundred days. they need to get it right. take their time, bring the different constituents in, explain it, build public support. don't rush it. >> martha: mark, benchmarks do matter. think about real life. everyone gets benchmarks. you have an annual review, school, you get a grade. it is not to say it is the be ends end-all, but this is a president, and if you look at
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the people around him, these are people who work on deadlines all their lives. it seems that only congress doesn't understand the meaning of saying you know what, let's get this done by x date, all you ever hear is why they can't do that, zach. >> look, i agree. i mean, but look, this administration has -- had very clear bench marks that they set out themselves. this is donald trump himself who had ten pieces of ledgislation, including a job creation bill, which we haven't seen, buy america, executive order, but allowed the keystone pipeline to go forward with foreign steel. so look, i think bench marks are good. i think deadlines are good. but this administration is not keeping -- >> martha: thank you, you guys. good to see you. joining us now, fox news senior judicial analyst, judge andrew napolotino.
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i know overreach is something that you are always concerned about. >> right. >> zach made the argument that this president is overreaching. >> i don't think he is. i think a lot of the executive orders are actually beneficial to the american public. an executive order is an instruction from the president, somebody who works for him in the executive branch, could be steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary, jeff sessions, the attorney general, as to how the president wants a certain law interpreted, or a certain program to be followed. when donald trump puts that in writing, it is transparent and its available for all of us to see. most of his predecessors did not give those instructions in writing. these things don't change the law. they sharpen the focus of the executive branch in certain areas of law to conform to the president's thinking. after all, he is the one that was elected to enforce the laws. >> martha: a lot of it is undoing that the prior president
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did. i mean, for instance, the veterans policy that we talked about would allow you to fire people at the va. >> yes. >> a lot of people think that is a wise thing to be able to do. >> it is about time. if a hospital isn't being run efficiently, and a team could do it better, of course, administrators should be able to fire. my favorite is the one that is truly revolutionary. he told the i.r.s. not to collect taxes due for people who failed to obtain health insurance, and those tax bills were due -- >> martha: there goes the individual mandate. >> correct. he did that, even though the affordable care act is still the law of the land. that's how certain he is that the individual mandate will go. this is the first time in american history that an american president has told the irs not to collect a lawful tax. that's revolutionary. that is arguably changing the law in anticipation of congress changing the law. >> martha: in terms of what we just started to learn about
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tonight, it has to do with canadian import news this country, exports. what does he want to do. >> impose a 20% tariff on soft lumber coming in from canada, staying out of the weeds, a long running dispute, interestingly, under nafta, a treaty that the president has criticized harshly. but the president of the united states has the power on his own to impose a 20% tariff retroactive to the beginning of his presidency. this fulfills a promise to keep american lumber manufactures on an even keel who are supportive with price supports by their government. >> martha: judge, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> martha: good to see you, sir. still ahead tonight, two professors go on offense, taking aim at assaults on free speech that we have been documenting quite closely during the first 1 hundred days here.
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>> i kno within the ranks, some see it differently on a personal basis. en it comes to the policy position, i think we need to be clear and unequivocal. >> martha: with a recent pugh study revealing one in five democrats consider themselves pro-life, party strategists are asking is it wise to potentially alienate this swath of the constituency, especially after losing so many blue collar workers this past november. joining me now, bill bennett, former education secretary under president reagan and fox new contributor. bill, good to see you. thank you for being here. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: it raises this question in my mind, can you be pro-life and consider yourself a democratic? or are you not welcome in the party any more? >> if i might just for ten seconds, personal comment. the passing of keato burns, a brilliant, hilarious and wiley
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person from whom we've all learned. she continued much to this debate. we'll all miss her. she did so in a way to persuade people to her point of view. not this bludgeon, this stick that the democrats are using. they're just going to make their party smaller, as well as less tolerant. no tolerance for speech on campus from the left, and now no tolerance for people who believe in life, who are pro-life. you put a 20%, i would suggest, i think the numbers would hold up, martha, if you look at union households, which you know went more for trump this time than before, many of them democrats, those numbers would be higher. 30 to 35%. so this is, i'm afraid, the mind set of the democratic party. one other example. remember t marches in washington, after the trump election, when they were wearing those -- the ugly business on their heads, pro-life could not
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be a partner. if you were pro-life, you could not be a partner if you were pro-life, member of a pro-life group. you couldn't be a partner. you could participate, but couldn't be a partner. second class citizens. it is a very bad idea for a party, which is dwindling any way. look, who is champion of the mayor of only harksmaha, but be sanders is saying wake up, broaden yourselves a little bit. first time i can recall agreeing with bernie sanders. >> martha: 37-year-old mayoral candidate, keith mellow, who has gotten a lot of heat for running as a democratic in omaha, because he happens to be pro-life. you look at people like bob casey from pennsylvania, you look at a number of -- the tradition of irish catholics, in the democratic party, who may find themselves feeling like they don't have a home. hillary clinton lost the catholic vote, and that was pretty extraordinary. and she lost wisconsin and
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pennsylvania and michigan by 1%. is it a politically wise move. i do want to bring up this other moment from tom perez, in terms of coarseness, which i know is something you care deeply about. let's watch this. >> you bet. >> he doe't give a [ bleeping ] about health care when we have the skinny budget of this president. he calls it a skinny budget. i call it something else that begins with s. and my mama taught me you shouldn't do potty talk. i hope you don't mind, because this is a [ bleeping ] budget. >> martha: on the end, looking up at her mom, like oh, my gosh, did you hear what that man said? who does this work for? >> apparently it works for the audience. that's the problem. it is not so much someone used to say about the striptease, it is not the striptease, it is the applause. it is a very old-fashioned comment, but it is the audience
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responding positively. remember the phrase, senator noyhanan, is it possible we'll come to miss debbie wasserman schultz. bernie sanders needs to be heated. this is an odd situation. it is a very serious matter. when you take an issue of such fundamental importance, and remember that lots of people in this country, including democrats, believe, you know, as ca catholics or jews or protesta s protestants, one must be careful about this, it is life. to rule it out category you are not welcome here is a big mistake. it is a mistake morally, a mistake theologically, but for what we're looking at tonight, it is a big mistake politically. they need to listen, did i ever i think would say this, to bernie sanders.
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>> martha: he has spoken up quite a bit on the college issue as well, in terms of allowing free speech, encouraging dialogue, living in a world where we can respect each other and listen to each other's views. he wants a big tent. >> you said very wisely, you said wisely about michigan and wisconsin. i think if you had one catholic in each parish in michigan change their mind and vote for clinton, rather than trump, she would have won the election. i think that's true, if you count michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. remember, barack obama won the catholic vote substantially. she lost the catholic vote. message to democratic party. look at the lights. wake up. >> martha: something to think about. bill bennett, good to see you. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> martha: justice neil gorsuch has had notable court of appeals opinions in his past, including a freedom of religion cases. including the hobby lobby case.
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we'll be joined by the founder of hobby lobby, very interesting man with interesting ideas. david green is here. we'll get his thoughts on the newest member of the high court and a lot more. plus, if the presidential election were held today, would donald trump still win. fascinating numbers, and tucker carlson will give us a preview of his big interview. >> i'll never forget when they were on the map, and they put up wisconsin, and he said there is no path for hillary clinton to become president. and for years i've struggled with non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that can turn my sleep cycles upside down. it kept me from doing the things i truly love to do. sometimes i'd show up early; sometimes i was too late. and sometimes, even though i was there...
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clinton's 40%, that disparity was much discussed as you may well. tucker carlson, the host of "tucker carlson tonight," we'll see him at 8:00. hi, tucker. great to see you. >> tucker: great to see you, martha. >> martha: these numbers have gotten a ton of attention and they're low. historically low, the typical number is usually in the low 60s. what you i do think about it? >> tucker: they're low for sure, and the administration hasn't brought a lot of new voters to its side. relative to those of hillary clinton, though, they're high. trump is performing better head to head against hillary than he did in the election five months ago. you have to ask yourself why is that happening? two reasons. one, most trump voters, overwhelmingly majority are happy they voted for the president. they're sticking with him in a way that may be surprising to people who only read the "washington post." number two, the democrats haven't gotten a lot out of the
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way they've approached the trump administration. they've thwarted it, you saw -- they' they are pretty good at gumming up the works. i would argue, they don't have much of an argument. it hasn't been great for trump, but not a victory for the democrats. >> martha: 90% of those who backed donald trump don't have buyer's remorse. the numbers are low, but when you look at that number, do you think we'll get to a point where we have a president who can get substantially over 50 in a country that is so divided, tucker? >> tucker: sure, historically that's occurred most profoundly in times of national crisis, when the country faces an external threat, in war, basically or in the run-up to war, when americans feel like holy smokes, we're under attack and coming together.
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you saw that in 2000 when george bush was way up after 9/11 because people felt like he was a strong leader and we're in it together. >> martha: tonight is the big debut of your 8:00 show. congratulations on that. we're looking forward to it and looking forward to talking to you every night. >> tucker: i look forward to it too. >> martha: you're going to talk to caitlyn jenner. what are you going to talk about and what did you expect? >> tucker: i'm looking forward to it. i'm looking at exploring the politics. caitlyn jenner, being dragged into the debate, and used as a symbol, maybe not intentionally. so i want to talk about that at some length, because i think it is interesting, you know, not in a confrontational way, but sincere. we're also talking to mike rowe, one of our all time favorite
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people, dominated cable with his show. this buy america program, i think he is politically nonaligned, but a keen focus on work. that's interesting. >> martha: he is always great on your show. we love watching you guys bat it around. in terms of caitlyn jenner, so interesting, because you think about the issues and you think about how much space the discussion over transgender issues has taken up in this country over the past year, and i wonder if she believes that it is, you know, that it is sort of an appropriate part of the conversation that we're having right now, or if she wishes that, you know, that if she sees it more as a personal issue. so i'm -- >> tucker: that's a good question. how would you like to be forced in the position as spokesperson for a group of people you might not know personally? i think most of us would be uncomfortable with that. >> martha: tucker, thank you so much. we're looking forward to seeing you tonight. moves to a new time, 8:00 p.m. tonight, and comes right after
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this show. every single night from now on. good news. what does the future of free speech on college campuses look like? two iconic professors from opposite sides here to tell you how they will protect the first amendment, which is in danger across the country. that's straight ahead. but first, a landmark case on religious freedom, when hobby lobby took on obama care. david green, who went through this with his family, it was quite an ordeal, is here tonight on how it impacted his business. and we'll talk about what he thinks about the new president, when we come back. >> we are truly thankful for the decision that allowed us to continue operating our family business according to our principles. but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor
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>> martha: that was perhaps the biggest religious freedom case of our time, when the retail chain, hobby lobby, took on the obama white house over the affordable care act contraceptions mandate. exclusively tonight, the founder of hobby lobby, but first, he will be us with in a second. first, trace takes us back through that land mark decision. trace. >> reporter: when the green family, who owns hobby lobby, they were specifically objecting to intrauterine devices, saying those forms of birth control were akin to abortion. they argued that forcing family owned company whose rely on christian values to finance all forms of birth control, was a violation of religious freedom. in a 5-4 landmark ruling, the supreme court agreed. in his majority opinion, justice
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samuel alito said they were being subjected to millions of dollars in fines for not providing the employees insurance, there was a burden of the religious liberty. alito wrote he understood the government had an interest to make sure women had access to contraception, but there were other ways doing it. justice ruth bader ginsburg attacked the decision of corporate rights, arguing it could open the door for corporations to object to covering things like vaccines, or paying minimum wage. so far, that has not been t case. and prior to arriving at the supreme court, the tenth circuit court of appeals in denver also ruled in favor of hobby lobby. former tenth circuit court judge, neil gorsuch, voted with the majority. gore su
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gorsuch, saying some may find the greens' beliefs offensive, but they are religious beliefs. today, women employed by federally owned companies who choose not to cover contraceptives may have to cover the costs themselves. martha. >> martha: thank you, trace. joining me now for an exclusive interview, david green, his new book is called "giving it all away and getting it all back again, the way of living generously." we'll talk to him about that as he join us. thank you. >> good to be here. thank you. >> when you watch that and think about the road that you all have been on, you never set out to be the public face of any religious liberty case, did you. >> not at all. we had no choice. >> martha: tell me more. >> we had i choice of either paying $1.3 million a day or going against our conscience. we knew we could not provide these drugs that would really cause abortion. >> martha: in terms of your philosophy, as you look at your
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business, which you have built from the ground up, you started with $600. >> correct. >> martha: and now you have 700 stores. you give away 50% of your profits. first, the government takes 50% of everything you make, right, and then on top of that you give away another 50%. how does that work into your religious values and i way you look at the world. >> we want to do something that has eternal effects. we love to do things with ministries. we're very excited about it. hobby lobby has a purpose, other than just making money. those are the things that excite us. that's why we work, to have 1,000 stores, instead of 700 stores. that's the goal for the future. >> martha: very good at managing those businesses. let's go back to neil gorsuch. because you originally, you were interesting in marco rubio, you thought he was the candidate for
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you. >> that was our first choice. >> martha: how do you think how president trump is doing? when you watch him, almost 100 days in, what is your take? >> he has had a couple of fumbles, but at the same time, the most important thing was religious liberties. we think with the supreme court nomination he has had, we're going to have religious liberti liberties. that's a big deal for us. we can handle more or less taxes, but we're excited about that part of what president trump has accomplished. >> martha: what do you think about him personally? >> well, we pray for him. that,m our standpoint, i had a little chance to talk with him and i says you're not going make america great without god. in god we trust, and when we trusted, we prayed. that's how i think this country, the only way the country can go from here and be successful. >> martha: you talk about your book, and the fact that you, you
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know, sort of make -- as a businessman, sometimes you have to make unpragmatic decisions in order to do what you want to do charity. what is your advice, as they try to do, it is not easy to make decisions sometimes. >> i think they need to be true to their conscience and their valle valu values. that's why we're closed on sunday, family. we're closed at 8:00. our minimum wage is higher. we're trying to be true to what we believe in our christian faith. >> martha: a lot of people worry about the future of this country and see the dialogue. we just have been talking about somewhat of tom perez has been saying out there. what do you think? >> i think we're on a bad track, unless we get back to god's word. that's why, by the way, we're putting a bible museum in
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washington, d.c., 430,000 square feet. if we can get back to where we started, we can turn it around. from our family's standpoint, we're a going to do everything would he can to see that people get back to god and in god we trust. >> martha: you've committed your life and your convictions to carrying that out. we thank you very much, david green. good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: there a look at the book. interesting to talk to you, sir. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> martha: good to see you tonight. so another campus interview just ahead. stick around. we're going to dive into the latest chapter in the battle over the first amendment being restricted on college campuses. renowned scholars and different political strifes. free speech on college campuses, they want to save it, when we come back. >> you have become so insulated from reality, even people on their side are sitting back
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>> martha: going to be a big week for the controversy brewing right now at uc berkeley, which has been the scene of a few controversial and even violent protests we've covered here on the first 100 days.
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fallout over the cancelation of ann coulter, the students who invited her, suing the university of california at berkeley. it comes on the heels of protests around the country. remember the middleberry story we showed you, charles murray, the students turned their back and shook the car that he and his colleague were in. in the wake of that incident, two opposed scholars have now penned a powerful statement coming together, reading in part, quote, all of us should seek respectfully to engage with people who challenge our views. and we should oppose efforts to silence them with whom we disagree, especially on college and university campuses. here with me now are the statements authors, professor robert george, mccormick professor at princeton university and dr. cornell west,
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a professor of philosophy. welcome to both of you. as we look at what's going down at berkeley, professor george, let me start with you. they're concerned because they have had some violence on campus, and they don't that to happen again. the students say that there needs to be an environment created so ann coulter can talk to the group zoo truth seeking mission, they need to create and maintain freedom. there needs to be a general attitude of tolerance and respect for other people's points of view. you need certain virtues and the students and faculty and the administration, and those include an openness of mind, willness to listen to other people, engage each other, not to try to shout each other down or stop each other from speaking. another point about the berkeley situation that i think is important, we must avoid the
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hecklers. we must avoid some people resorting to violence, or threatening violence, so that a university has no choice but to prevent a controversial speaker from speaking. we need to resist the hecklers. we need to provide them a place to speak. >> martha: what has happened on college campuses is that students just label someone with hate speech. and so then they rebel against that person being allowed to come on to their campus. and yet, if they reject everyone with whom they disagree from their campus, they're never going to hear one point of view on their campus. how did we get here? whose fault is it that this is where we are now? >> well, no, i think one of the reasons why brother robby and i came together, we recognize universities have always had a challenge of trying to preserve a public space where there is relentless criticism and self-criticism, and people can enter that space without humiliation, and have respect
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for dialogue. there is a long history of voices on the left and right be and we're committed to a robust conversation on the universities across the board. we should keep in mind, i mean, this is not every university. we got 3,600 universities in america, and even though you've got visible and salient examples, you've got universities and colleges that are deeply committed. >> it may not be you're seeing violence on the campuses, but you know, anecdotally, you can talk across the country, and they'll tell you if they have a viewpoint, they have to bend to their professor or they're in danger of failing their class. >> that's wrong. >> martha: it is a dangerous aspect, but it is happening. it happens across the country. >> this is why brother west and i teach together, we work together. we try to model constructive intellectual engagement, serious engagement, serious listening to each other, serious learning from each other, now at
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princeton and he has moved to harvard. but we did it at princeton and we helped with a lot of factors to make princeton a university where a variety of viewpoints can be heard, where there is no ideological orthodox, but we need that around the country, everywhere. >> martha: you know, you hear about safe space, we're talking about a safe space for people to speak different viewpoints politically, but the safe space mantra on campuses has come to mean something different than it means a place where you know, no triggers will be presented to you, things that might upset you. based on, you know, the history of your gender or anything along those lines, you're supposed to have a safe space on campus. dr. west, is that an environment where anyone will learn anything, or evolve their viewpoint on anything? >> i think brother robby and i are committed to unsettling students in public spaces, so that you don't want safe spaces where people are not questioning
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and interrogated. they have a right to protest, nonviolently, but a commitment to unsettling and unnerving students. only way you grow is by examining yourself and your assumptions, your presuppositions. in that sense, it is unsettled spaces rather than safe spaces. >> that's exactly right. when cornell and i do our job well, we teach the students not only to respect other people and to listen to them and to be willing to have other people interrogate their views, we teach them to become the best interrogators of their own best critics. that's what a professor should be doing and we should model that for our students by doing it ourself. >> martha: that's what education is, what you're talking about. leave college with an evolved viewpoint, based on input from different places, and you guys have your work cut out for you. it is fascinating to hear you come together. bill mahr and bernie sanders are
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