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with the administration's view of the proceedings. we start off with chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge. good evening. >> throughout the powerful testimony, the attorney general tried to set the record straigh straight. >> atty gen sessions: the suggestion that i participated in any collusion, that i was aware of any collusion with the russian government is an appalling and detestable why. >> testifying before the senate intelligence committee, the attorney general jeff sessions defended himself and the trumpet and illustration over allegations they colluded with russia. on his decision to recuse himself from the probe, sessions and said it was not about russia but his position on the campaign and regulations that forbid his involvement. >> mr. comey said there were matters with respect to the recusal that were problematic and he couldn't talk about it. what i have it? >> atty gen sessions: why don't you tell me? there arnon.
there are none, can tell you that. this is an innuendo being leaked about me and i don't appreciate it. >> sessions insisted he never misled congress over his contacts with sergey kislyak. >> my answer was a fair incorrect response to the charge. >> sessions said he met with the investor in july's number but not in april of last year in washington mayflower hotel as widely reported. >> you never remember having a conversation or meeting with ambassador kislyak? >> atty gen sessions: i do not. >> in the event, was there a private room setting that you are involved in? >> atty gen sessions: no. other than the reception area that was shot off from, i guess, the main crowd. two to three dozen people. >> this didn't pop into your
memory? >> atty gen sessions: i could say or possibly had a meeting that i do not recall. i did not in any way failed to record something in my testimony or in my letter intentionally false. >> sessions appeared before the same set of high-level weather fired a affair director james comey described a mid-february meeting alleging he was pressured by the president to end the investigation into former national security advisor my clan. the president disputes comey's accounts. >> general flynn was in legal jeopardy. i don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation i had with the president was an effort to obstruct. i took it as a disturbing thing, concerning. >> sessions said comey never share the conversation but urged sessions not to leave him alone again with the president. >> you never asked director comey what took place in the meeting? >> atty gen sessions: what i do recall is that i did depart, i believe everyone else did depart, and director comey was sitting in front of the president's desk and they were talking.
>> did appear mr. comey felt the conversation was improper? >> atty gen sessions: he was concerned about it, and his record and what he said to me about his concern is consistent with my recollection. >> also fox news confirming a columbia law school professor who acted as an intermediary between james comey and "the new york times" reporter sharing information from memos that documented comey's conversation with president, the law school professor is providing what is described to us as relevant material to the special counsel robert mueller. >> bret: thank you. let's find out what the president is doing right now, reaction today's testimony pair john roberts has the story. take a good evening, the president is trying hard to stick with the agenda, talkie health care with senators and the lunch in the cabinet room earlier today. now in the midwest pushing his workforce development agenda but all the time keeping one eye on the goings-on on capitol hill.
white house sources tell fox news they were happy about the attorney general's testimony today saying "he's been impressive in his forcefully been pushing back against insinuations of wrongdoing." going hard against senators wyden and heinrich prayed for his part, president trump seemed unconcerned with the events unfolding. meeting in wisconsin with more of what he described as "victims of obamacare." and focusing attention on
the jobs left open because workers lack the skills to fill them. the president may know what he thinks is the important issue, tweeting: attorney general lynch made law enforcement decisions. "president taking fire for a statement made by a friend of his. suggested president trump was
considering the removal of robert mueller. >> considering terminating the special counsel. >> it drew outrage from democrats. >> i don't think congress would let the president pick his own investigator. mueller is widely respected by people on both sides of the aisle. >> testifying before the senate judiciary committee, rod rosenstein said any demand to fire him would have to pass a high bar. stick a senator, i'm not going to follow any orders and less i believe they are lawful and appropriate. special counsel or mueller may be fired only for good cause. if there were not good cause, it
wouldn't matter to me what anybody says. >> all i have heard are rumors, but i think in the best case for the president is to be vindicated by allowing the investigation to go on. >> the president's legal team is
throwing cold water on it, telling fox news a member of the team had misinterpreted what he said. >> i can't imagine the issue is going to arise but it's an issue the president would discuss if there was a basis. >> today ruddy sought to clarify. stick that i did not talk to the president. i think if they fire him, it would be a mistake. i believe he has the legal right to do it and it was considered as an option. >> sources tell fox news president trump was upset about the firestorm and dispatched the communications team to get the clarification. the president took aim at the press, tweeting: "fake news is at an all-time high. where is their apology to me for all of the incorrect stories???" with the sessions hearing complete, white house hoping to get the president's agenda over
the tree line. a big cuba policy announcement later on this week, and on health care, breaking news from capitol hill. there was a luncheon today. associated press reporting that the president referred to the house version of the bill as "mean, mean, mean." and that the senate could do better. one source on capitol hill told fox news the president thought the senate could be "more generous." >> bret: john, thank you. let's get reaction. talk about what's ahead in the senate, south dakota's john thune is the republican conference chairman in the senate. will it start where john left off? did the president say "mean, mean, mean" about the available? >> he thinks the senate can do -- improve upon the hospital and he likes the fact that the senate is writing their own version. what i think he conveyed was a
sense of urgency that they need to get it done. he has ideas about what it might look like that i think he's inferring to us and that's a good thing. we are doing our best to come up with a g >> bret: on the specifics, the quote? >> i'm not going to confirm anything the president did or didn't say with respect to either the house bill or the senate process, but what i will say is he does believe and i think we can improve upon the house product. they built a good foundation and i think we can make it stronger and better. get a bill that's more workable for the american people and more affordable. >> bret: can we talk about the specifics? are you going to make it more generous, more kind? >> i think what we think is important is that we stabilize the markets, which are collapsing. there are more and more counties. reports out that 45% of the counties in the country will
have one or zero options in the marketplace. stabilize the marketplace. address skyrocketing premiums. in south dakota, since 2013, we've seen 124% increase, doubled in the amount of premiums being paid. protect people with pre-existing conditions and forth, make medicaid sustainable for the future by giving states more flexibility and protect people that need it. now pull the rug out from under them. those are the objectives. i think we can achieve it in the senate bill. >> bret: before the fourth of july, do you think there's going to be something that moves forward? >> that's the plan. and obviously we are doing our best to take all of these great ideas, and our republican senate has been operating as a committee of the whole, meeting together and trying to distill the issues, decision points, narrow the differences we have. i think we can get there, but if
we don't get it before the fourth of july, for sure in july. we need to do get it done, get it behind us but do it in the right way that addresses the concerns of the american people about a failed system. >> bret: here is the senate minority leader. >> make no mistake there will be a reckoning if this bill is passed. passing a bill of this scale with so many consequences for the american people without telling them what's in it, without telling them how they would fare, the political retribution will be swift. it will be a catastrophe for the republican party. the one it is fairly rich. you had nancy pelosi say you had to pass obamacare before you knew what was in it, but now it seems that senators are being put to the test the same way. we haven't seen any language
yet, and i don't think a lot of senators have seen a lot of language. >> that's true. staff is drafting it. what we've done is agreed in principle on what the issues are, and now we are putting it in legislative language, working with the congressional budget office and figure out what the impact is going to be, how the cbo was going to score it. we know we have to get it across the finish line. but it's not like there haven't been hearings on this. there have been multiple hearings, and we have been studying these issues for eight years and talking about the issues. it's probably been more litigated publicly than anything else over the last eight years. we know the issues. what senator schumer is saying is inaccurate. people are well aware of what we need to fix. we need to come up with a plan that's more workable. >> bret: is there a sense that if you don't get the cats herded around health care, that you vote on it and abandon it and come back to it later and move
on to tax reform. is that the plan? >> we are going to have a vote. >> bret: one way or the other. >> one way or the other, and we need 50 votes plus the vice president and share. if we don't, i think it makes it more difficult to do tax reform and the other things on the agenda. >> bret: the 900 billion plus coming out of health care. >> we need to save it. it's collapsing. there's a sense of urgency for the american people about getting it right. the insurance markets are collapsing by the day and i think there's a huge clinical price to be paid if we don't. we made a commitment to the market people and we need to honor it. the senate has got to do is part of the job and they will have to reconcile the differences with the house and eventually get a bill on the president's desk that he can sign into law that will hopefully be a vast improvement over the government run system we have today. >> bret: you're not one of the senators who say it's the democrats deal, let it collapse and then work with them to fix it. you are saying it's the republicans ownership, since you
control the house, senate, and white house. >> the democrats created the mess and we have to fix the mes mess. they started and created the system of government run health care which has been a failure for the american people. our responsibility now is to try and fix it. i don't think we let it collapse. i think we need to step in and do the right thing for the american people. give them more choices, more options, more competition and health care system and insurance that works for them. as opposed to having the government dictate what it should be. >> bret: the level of confidence? >> i would say it's 50/50. >> bret: that you're going to pass something to go to conference committee? >> if not before the fourth of july, after the fourth. i am confident. i think we have to and if we
don't we will have led down the american people. this is what they elected us to do. stu and i know you didn't see all of attorney general sessions' hearing. you were briefed on it. your sense of this investigatio investigation, where it's heading in what we are learning? >> the thing that came out of the hearing today and attorney general sessions said that there haven't been any conversation suggesting there's any evidence anywhere that there was collusion with the russians by the trump campaign. it's been reiterated. director comey said it, and there's been an fbi investigation underway for 11 months. congressional investigation underway for six months. there isn't any scintilla of evidence that it happened. at some point, we have to say enough already. it's time to move on. i believe the special counsel ought to be able to do their thing. there ought to be at least some amount of time in which they conducted and stay in their lanes and they get it done in a
way that brings us to a conclusion. let's don't drag it out. when you get outside the city, people across the country want us to focus on the agenda that's important to them. jobs, economy, fixing health care. make us more competitive in the global marketplace, infrastructure, making sure the country safe. those of the things the american people are talking about. >> bret: you are convinced the trump agenda can get back on track? stick i am. frankly, i think the president being in wisconsin today arguing for why we need to do these things is important and we are going to continue to work in the senate on these issues. sometimes there are distractions but we have to multitask. we have some big things to get down on the agenda and i think high expectations by the american people we want to meet. >> bret: we appreciate the time. a story that could lead the news and the other day.
an american held prisoner in north korea since january of last year's on his way home tonight. but he's hardly free. the release comes as a basketball player turned reality tv star turned unofficial diplomat dennis rodman makes his fifth trip to the communist nation. benjamin hall has the latest. >> otto warmbier, held in a north korean jail, released this morning and north korea acknowledges he's in a coma. president trump has been updated on warmbier's ordeal. the north korean regime kept it a secret and the u.s. found out last week. the u.s. demanded his release and sent a rare delegation to get him. he is on a medical plane back to ohio. in march 2016, warmbier was accused of trying to steal a poster from his hotel and sentenced to 15 years hard labor
after giving a teary confession which many believe was under duress. ever since then, his parents have worked hard for his return. >> we love you. you are an amazing guy. hang in there, tiger boy. you are coming home. >> at his trial, he was shaky and we know he fell critically ill afterwards, apparently coming down with a case of botulism. unknown to his family, he has been in the, ever since. >> we have secured the release of otto warmbier from north korea. he's on his way home to be reunited with his family. dennis rodman flew to p yong yang, a rare visit to the country by a man who calls kim jong-un a friend for life. he said he was going to open doors and president trump was
pleased. >> happy with the fact that i'm over here, trying to accomplish something we both need. >> north korea continues to provoke the u.s., testing missiles in rapid succession. the administration called the regime "the most urgent and dangerous threat to peace." warmbier is due to fly into cincinnati tonight but he is an urgent need of medical care and there are still three americans being held in north korea, and the state department says it's talking to the regime about them as well. >> bret: benjamin hall in london. thank you. up next, confusion about new proposed regulations on where cameras and reporters can go on capitol hill. here's what some of our fox affiliates are covering. fox 5, authority search for inmates who killed two georgia prison guards this morning. investigators say the men disarmed the guards and shot them to death. both men are serving long
sentences for armed robbery and other crimes. fox 25 in oklahoma city. the manhunt continues for four men who escaped from jail early monday morning. three of the men were serving time for property crimes. the fourth was convicted of murder. lifelock at boston from fox 25. the defense rests in its case in the trial of a massachusetts woman accused of manslaughter for sending her boyfriend dozens of text messages urging him to kill himself. shall carter. that is tonight's live look outside the beltway from "special report." we'll be right back. tech: when you schedule with safelite autoglass,
>> bret: food poisoning has killed at least two people and sickened more than 700 in a camp for displaced residents of mosley rock. -- mosul, iraq. cutter is being isolated for alleged support of terrorism and extremism. in the u.s., there was mass confusion today at the capitol, concerning the rules for media members in dealing with the u.s. senate. good evening. >> this started at a hearing and a stakeout outside the senate office building for rod rosenstein. deputy attorney general. what happened is, you had somebody come out from the radio
tv gallery and said you can't be in the hallway. you are changing the rules. there is a rulebook here which dictates what the rules of coverage are. technically there is a rule that if you're going to try to interview a senator or stakeout in the hallway, there has to be approval from the radio tv gallery. or you have to get the approval from the rules committee. but also permission of the senator. richard shelby, who is the chairman of the rules committee, put out a statement and said at no point every try to change the rules. we are not trying to interfere with press coverage. earlier today, or last night, i tried to do an interview with a couple senators about health care. rand paul of kentucky and bill cassidy of louisiana. they are very involved in the issue and i said outside by the senate steps and technically i'm told i was in violation because i didn't get the approval. but now we are told later on that things are going to be getting back to normal.
the radio tv correspondents association, which is the group which represents reporters on capitol hill, the electronic media, put out a statement saying we are condemning this in the strongest possible terms. i am told at the end of the day here, that this was a miscommunication. senator shelby is saying things are back to normal but they are still reviewing the rules for press coverage. part of this has been brought on by the crush of reporters descending on capitol hill to cover senators at this very hectic news time. >> bret: we expect to see those interviews to continue. i appreciate it. for president trump's crusade to ease federal regulations taking aim at a consumer finance watchdog. kristin fisher tells us why the president is going after this particular agency. >> consumer financial protection bureau created by president obama in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis is under fire from the treasury department. a new report accuses the bureau
of regulatory abuses and excesses. it claims the bureau has hindered consumer choice and access to credit, limited innovation, and imposed undue compliance burdens. they are reviewing the report. treasury secretary steven mnuchin is taking issue with the bureau's director, one of the few regulators that doesn't answer to a bo be removed by the president. >> we think it's improper that this is funded out of the fed. this agency should be subject to proper review and not subject to one person acting on their own. >> when president obama announced the bureau formation, it was a blow to big banks and wall street. >> consumers will have a powerful watchdog. >> elizabeth warren is describing these new recommendations as radical changes, ones that could potentially spark another
financial meltdown. "it comes as no surprise that donald trump and steven mnuchin, two men who are deeply involved in companies that she did thousands of customers, would want to gut the agency that has held cheaters accountable and returned more than $12 billion to consumers." the report comes days after house republicans passed a bill ruling that many of the dodd-frank regulations that were also enacted after the 2008 crisis. it adds up to a concerted effort by congressional republicans and the trump administration to deregulate the financial sector. mr. trump saw it as such a high priority that he word the latest treasury report and one of his first acts as president. >> we are assigning core principles for regulating the united states financial system. doesn't get much bigger than that. >> the executive order instructor treasury to review three other sectors. this was the first of four reports. many more changes could be in the pipeline and according to secretary minnick and, many
changes can be implemented through executive action alone. >> bret: secretary steven mnuchin said a government shutdown might not be such a bad thing. told the senate budget committee "at times, there could be a good shutdown." that echoes a tweet from president trump last month. mnuchin says critical functions of government would never be shut down. verizon is taking over yahoo!. verizon has completed its $4.5 billion deal. it ends yahoo's history is a publicly traded company. email and digital services were combined with those of aol and a verizon subsidiary. s&p 500 gained 11. nasdaq finished ahead. two virginia democrats vying to be the face of the resistance to
president trump are squaring off in today's gubernatorial primary. former congressman tom her yellow is running as a liberal crusader who has the support of democrats such as bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. lieutenant governor ralph northam is also bowing to fight the president. we'll have those results later. on the republican side, ed gillespie. with all of the focus on capitol hill about changing health insurance and getting quality health care, one particular group is often left out of specific discussions. children. dr. kurt neumann is the president and ceo of children's national health system in washington. he is also the author of a new book that can help families facing hospitalizations. as many of you know, our family
knows those anxieties well. i spoke to the doctor earlier. thanks for being here. this book is great. "healing children." why did you write it? >> i wrote it because i have been a surgeon for over 30 years and i wanted parents, and it's really for parents, my people in general to know what i've learned over the 32 years. special value and price is value of pediatric medicine and children's hospitals to help parents advocate for their children and to help our country understand the special value of pediatric medicine. >> bret: full disclosure, we are friends. our son has had multiple surgeries at children's national, and you are the president and ceo of that hospital, also one of paul's surgeons. this book is personal. there are personal stories in here that help parents find
their way if they have a sick child or interested in children's hospitals. >> that's right. one of the goals is to help parents understand before they are in those situations so that they know where the emergency department is, they know all about pediatric anesthesia, they know the special things i have learned. so when they get into a situation, they are more comfortable. they know the questions to ask and they can be an advocate for their children. >> bret: secretary of health and human services visited children's national and he had a message about what they are thinking and how did you interact with him? >> it was a terrific visit. he is an orthopedic surgeon and is comfortable in hospitals and is not a long career in medicine before he got into politics. that is where we connected because i think he understands the special value of children's hospitals, pediatric specialists, what we can bring. it was very, very inspiring to
see them connect as a physician as well as a leader and to help our team understand the special bond between doctors and patients, nurses, so it was really an inspiring visit. >> bret: that's what it comes down to, the personal relationship and how you deal with your situation with the doctors you're dealing with. as these lawmakers are working on retooling health care, health insurance in some way. what is the message you have for them? >> that one thing i really worry about is i haven't heard much conversation about children and all of these debates. i think it's such a smart investment, a wise investment to actually put more into children's health as opposed to cuts. i think we need to think about that. i would tell the lawmakers, if i had the opportunity, to really think about children differentl differently, to think about investing wisely in our children whether it's research, whether it is the hospitals, the physicians.
>> bret: i know it's always fun to see the book out, and today's the day it out, so congratulations. you've got all kinds of reviews, including yours truly at the bottom, and i highly recommended. if you have one message for somebody looking for this book, what would you say? >> i would say buy the book, read the book. you want to do is best for children. our parents want to do what's best, our country wants to do its best and i think it's all in this book. these inspiring stories of children will get you going. >> bret: that is true. congratulations. good luck. again, the book "healing children" out today. children's national, one of the best hospitals in the world, right here in washington. the jeff sessions testimony pair and what did you think of it? we will ask the panel when we come back. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex.
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>> atty gen sessions: i have never met with or any had conversations with any russians or any foreign officials concerning any type of interference with any campaign or election in the united states. further, i have no knowledge of any such conversations by anyone connected to the trump campaign. the suggestion that i've participated in any collusion, that i was aware of any collusion with the russian government to hurt this country which i have served with honor for 35 years or to undermine the integrity of our democratic process is an appalling and detestable live. >> bret: and that is probably why the attorney general decided to testify publicly in front of the senate intelligence committee, a forceful rebuttal of accusations that he met with the russians in some effort to
collude for the trump campaign. we will begin with that with the panel. steve hayes, mercedes schlapp, and tom bevan. tom, your thoughts. >> i thought sessions was passionate and sincere in his defense, and drove a stake through the heart of the collusion argument which is like an undead animal walking around. no evidence. he forcefully argued it today. all in all, i thought it was a spirited defense by him but i don't know it's going to convince anybody, any democrats, anybody who thought that there is collusion or obstruction, he probably didn't change any minds in that regard. >> bret: let's put up one of the other questioning moments with senator wyden and his former colleague. >> we also are aware of facts i can't discuss in an open setting that would make his continued
engagement in a russia-related investigation problematic. >> atty gen sessions: senator wyden, i'm not stonewalling. >> mr. comey said there were matters with respect to the recusal that were problematic, and he couldn't talk about them. what are they? >> atty gen sessions: why don't you tell me? there are none, there are none, i can tell you that for absolute certainty. this is a secret innuendo being leaked out there about me and i don't appreciate it. >> bret: mercedes. >> what a strong performance by the attorney general and i have to say comey did miss the email that was sent from the chief of staff of the attorney general over to comey saying this is why attorney general sessions is going to recuse himself from the russian investigation. obviously senator wyden was trying to show discrepancies between comey and sessions by
think sessions came up with the upper hand in explaining i did provide him with that email. obviously didn't see it. i think those people who are watching are looking at the democrats, trying to build up this narrative about the russian collusion with attorney general sessions. it's basically i think he was successfully able to stop it. >> bret: he didn't answer some questions and that was frustrating, much like in the nsa hearing and dni hearing where they said were not going to talk about the conversations with the president. that was pretty much the extent. >> he was weakest in refusing to answer questions in explaining why he was refusing to he was relatively weak and trying to explain his role or why james comey was dismissed and why the white house had given the convoluted explanation it gave. overall, a good witness for the white house, a good day for the
trump administration. if you go back to the exchange, the james comey comments last week where he seemed to be suggesting there was something potentially big that he couldn't possibly talk about. one of the things we talked about. coming out of the comey hearings, wow. what does he have? seemed to be suggesting there was something significant. if it's a case that all he was talking about was a possible brush by encounter in a public speech, that dense the credibility of james comey and a pretty significant way. there better be something more behind the kinds of things james comey was alluding to, or he didn't look very good. >> bret: there is a serious side side to not necessarily the collusion, because you're right, there hasn't been evidence of collusion but there has been
evidence of russian attempts. at senator klobuchar putting out a statement. "free and fair elections of the cornerstone of our democracy. clear that a foreign adversary tufted to undermine elections and we are now learning that as many as 39 states may have been hit by russian hackers." this is unacceptable. as ranking member of the senate rules committee, i am renewing my call. comey testified that there were no votes changed. but this is more as far as the outreach and attempts at the election boards. >> 39 states the russians tried to hack into, and it serious stuff and it's bipartisan. but we've seen in washington, it's not about that.
it's about james comey, jeff sessions, collusion, obstructio obstruction. i fully agree with senator klobuchar and others. do it in a classified setting, then. let the special counsel proceed. let's stop the public kabuki going on. >> bret: another story that was shot down and that was that president trump was going to fire bob mueller, the special counsel. there was some talk about that and then the deputy attorney general who was in charge was asked about it. >> at this point, have you seen any evidence of good cause for firing special counselor mueller? >> no, i have not. >> if president trump ordered you to fire the special counsel, what would you do? >> senator, i'm not going to follow any orders and thus i believe they are lawful and appropriate. as long as i'm in this position, he's not going to be fired without good cause.
>> could you be terminated without cause? >> yes. >> and who would appoint your replacement? >> the president. >> that is a possibility? >> anything is possible, senator. >> bret: sounded like, so you're saying there's a chance? they can't say it enough this is not the deal yet going for the one more thing. >> they want to put it out there, the democrats, that trump would want to fire mueller. and that's talk you've heard from some trump allies. making mention of it. some individuals pushing this narrative about firing mueller which is preposterous. that's not the case and actually sessions mentioned the fact that he has full confidence in mueller and the investigation. but there is talk there in the
conservative sphere in terms of mueller being tight-knit with comey. does it impact the investigation? those are questions that arise. >> bret: newt gingrich raise the issue. others have as well. mueller was interviewed for fbi director and obviously you have the testimony from james comey about leaking the contents of those memos in an effort to get a special counsel is the end result. >> i guess i don't see the conspiracy. i think there are valid questions being raised about who bob mueller has hired. he hired a number of prominent investigators and lawyers who have contributed overwhelmingly to democrats. those are fair questions. i think bob mueller might be concerned about the optics. this story about mueller potentially being fired has been overhyped in the last 24 hours but he didn't come out of nowhere. went on television and set i think the president might fire
bob mueller. >> bret: talking about it in an interview on abc. >> we got that later in the fact that jay wouldn't answer the question on sunday, it's not crazy notion. the white house has wafted back considerably but it didn't come out of nowhere. >> bret: i want to move on but is there a chance capitol hill moves on? i mean, when does the onus shift? i have asked this a couple times to different panels and different people. when does it shift? does it ever shift to produce a "there" there, or we all need to move move on? >> in a perfect world bob mueller either absolves the president or moves towards an investigation. that's sort of the decisive moment. but i do think we've seen democrats and part of this is because of the base of the
party. they do not believe trump is the legitimate president. they want to see him removed. we have democratic attorneys general of states suing based on the emoluments clause. >> bret: next up, bittersweet news from north korea, surprising answer from the defense secretary. it's like nothing you've seen.
we continue our discussions with the north korean regime regarding the release of the three other american citizens that have been detained. we have no comment on mr. warmbier's condition out of respect to him in the family. >> bret: secretary of state talking about the 22-year-old uva student held in a north korean jail. otto warmbier on his way back, believed to be in a coma. march 2016 he was accused of trying to steal a poster from a hotel. sentenced to 15 years hard labo labor. the north korea situation continues to be dangerous. secretary of defense matus writing "the most urgent and dangerous threat is north korea. the regime's nuclear weapons program is a clear and present danger to all. the regime's provocative actions manifestly illegal have not
abated despite censure and sanctions." >> we have to remember that the south korean leader is willing to begin talks with north korea and trump is going to be in a very difficult position. he is almost being pushed into having to have these discussions with north korea. obviously there is a word out in the japanese newspapers think the president, basically told president xi you have 100 days to get this resolved with north korea. pressure is on china. they are the only ones who can disarm or three a. will be how much more pressure can they put on china?
>> bret: it doesn't seem like we have the leverage on china or doesn't seem like they are willing to get off the ball when it comes to north korea. getting them to move further seems to be a challenge. >> it's the biggest challenge. it's been a challenge for many administrations. i think that trump administration has put more pressure on china in this regard than any previous administration with some results. but they have to get there. china fears the collapse of the north korean state, and that's not what they want. >> bret: i want to turn to another region. secretary of defense mattis being asked about afghanistan. >> do you agree that we are not winning in afghanistan? >> sir, i understand the urgency. i understand it's my responsibility. we are not winning in afghanistan right now. and we will correct this as soon as possible. >> bret: pretty stunning to
hear the defense secretary say we are not winning in afghanistan, but the stats back it up. what's going to change? >> we don't know. we are waiting for the outcome of policy discussions, a review that the trump administration has conducted. most of the advisors are pushing him to be more involved in afghanistan, to go in and win. the question of what happens in afghanistan will likely be resolved in donald trump's head. does he want to follow his gut, his instincts, and pull back from the world and as he said in the campaign, we are not fighting these wars anymore. or does he want to win? those two are not consistent. you're going to have to get more involved if you want to win. if you are president trump he knows that instinctively but his inclination is to pull back. >> bret: he does put a lot of weight in secretary mattis' recommendations. when we come back, it wasn't all
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mueller finally fly, the hearing with attorney general jeff sessions had a few later moment moments. >> jason bourne or james bond movies? >> no. >> bret: that was the arkansas senator, he compared the russian investigation to a plot line in a spy novel. the attorney general also clearly wanted his old job back today. >> as a former senator you bring unique perspective to this investigation because you have been on both sides. >> i have indeed. all in all it's better on that side. nobody gets to ask about your private conversations or your staff. >> bret: [laughs] he finally got that question out. that said today. we have you covered, we had two hours today of special report,
we will be back to one hour tomorrow. fair, balanced and unafraid. "the story" hosted by my colleague martha maccallum starts right now. sp1 breaking tonight we are waiting to hear how the president thought is attorney general did today. that could come at any moment, we'll take it to the white house live as soon as it does. jeff sessions came out swinging today. he raised his right hand before congress, testified for about two and a half hours. he was quite defiant, defending his name, fiercely denying claims that he colluded at any time with russians during the 2016 elections and he declared that he wanted this to be a public hearing. watch. >> it let me say this clearly, colleagues, i have never met with or had any conversation with