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investigations going on. one on loretta lynch and then one on the whole collusion stuff. back and forth. do they cancel each other out? where is this going? 12:00 p.m. eastern time on fox business. we mean business. have a great weekend. >> hello. i'm eric and eboni and cat. we are "the fox news specialists." >> threats in america? it's getting serious and lately much of it has been directed against president trump and the gop. earlier this months, karen handel received letters containing a suspicious white powder. after a thorough fbi investigation, it was a newsed to be none hazardous. the feel is real and worrisome. the washington beacon reports that 30 gop congressman have been attacked or threatened since may alone.
now that is down right disturbing. the left wing media is no better. possibly helping to fuel the threats with comments like this. >> it's a sad day when you cannot depend on the president's word. my advice would be to republicans who do cozy up to him, it's like hugging a suicide bomber. he blows you up with him. >> outrageous. whatever happened to respecting the office of the president? eboni, even if you don't vote for the man. >> i don't like any of this nasty down and ugly stuff going on with president trump even more than what i liked happened with president obama. these past two presidents, eric, it's gone from disagreeing around policy and agenda to a disrespectful level. >> cat? >> absolutely. look at the sayings. some illustrate what a horrible threat it is. i'm going to kill your wife. detailing the threats. johnny depp is of course just --
a stupid comment, especially for someone accused of being a wife beater. you're making jokes about violence? maybe he has his neck scarf too tonight. >> i predict we get more into that in this block. let's meet today's specialist. the host of chasing news on fox television, a former republican nominee for congress in the new jersey's 12th district and he specializes in making an outstanding pulled pork sandwich, bill spadia is here. and she tells how conservatives took it all back from liberals, the sunday star times reporter and specializes in u.s. constitution law, danielle mcglock ton is here.
how does this all strike you? >> i take eboni's point well. we've seen in the last 12 years, the last eight, this ratcheting up of attacks on people. takes me ban to reagan. talk about the policies but don't attack the person opposing you. today's politicians and the media could learn from reagan. >> bill, your 64,000 foot observation. >> very quickly, it's important to separate what is a stupid comment. cat, you said it earlier, this johnny depp thing was ridiculous. borderline absurd versus the real threats. we have law enforcement and secret service. they know the difference. >> and scott pelley, fired from cbs evening news, he called scalise's shooting a self-inflicted wound. >> i was genuinely shocked. i used to work at cbs news.
i ran into mr. pelley many times. i don't want to go hard at cbs, but it's true. there's a standard that in mass media, certain places still hold. for scott pelley, the face of the evening news, to make that statement, to go so far off the grid of objectivity and compassion and humanity, i was shocked. literally shocked and very saddened by that. >> and cat, joy reid comes to mind. scalise was intensive care, laying in a bed and he commented and tweeted and scalise's voting record. almost blaming him for being shot. this is ratcheted up rhetoric. can't be healthy. >> a lot of people did more than suggest blame. people saying oh, well, should have been worse. that's what he gets for supporting this or this. it's disgusting and sick. people feel comfortable making comments like this. it's up to social pressure to stop them. grouping in all of these things
as threats is disengenius. voice mails about killing a dog or someone's wife. that's separate. >> is this the environment we're living in? is it going to continue to get worse? >> seems like it. >> not only that, it's been going on for a while. there's articles out there. look at 2010, 2012. threats against congressmen and women. it's happened before. now you're hearing it because of social media. the democrats in defense of obamacare started talking about how the bill, if it was repealed would cost people lives. that's where it started. >> i don't know if that's where it started. >> obviously i would argue it started before that. but here's the point, right? when does it reset? i'm not saying one person can change everything and wave a magic wand. i was hopeful when ted nugent
called in and made a comment. that could have been a part of the problem and i could be a part of the solution. >> when you mention social media, media has a lot to do with it. people can hide behind a false identity. my brain doesn't create things like that. i feel blessed to not be severely disturbed. but an outlet for that. >> before you do the wings of america, can we listen to ann coulter? she weighed in on this. it's provocative. >> there were so many examples of leftist violence over the years. it's been stepped up massively since donald trump came on the scene. i've been stunned after the second bernie sanders supporter in the last month to either commit mass murder or attempt to commit mass murder, that the response through the media is, well, donald trump, he shared some of the blame.
violence in this country has always comes from the political left. political violence has. >> anybody want to weigh-in? >> let me. violence always comes from the political left is not a serious comment. also what it does, it's speaking to ratcheting up. it ratchets up the idea that we're against one another. what ann coulter did was not only not true but irresponsible. she's in the public eye. what we should be doing is like we are having real discussions in depth, not taking any pot shots at one another instead of deciding it's your side or my side that is the problem. >> listen,i'm not saying that i agree with what ann coulter said. but it does happen to come a lot of the ratchet up rhetoric comes from the political left and people like celebrities that cat pointed out earlier. let's talk about this. time to wake up, america. decaptation, stabbings, now a call for a presidential
assassination. the liberal wasteland that is hollywood is disgusting insendary remarks about president trump. depicting a bloody decapitated head of the president. when baron trump saw it, he asked is daddy dead? no, your dad is not dead but kathy griffin's career is. and then a shakespeare play with the presidential assassination. the play lost major sponsors. delta airlines and bank of america pulled out. yesterday, another liberal celebrity incapable of regulating his mouth went there suggesting a presidential assassination is in order. >> i think he needs help. when was the last time an actor assassinated a president?
[cheering]. i want to clarify. i'm not an actor. i lie for a living. however, it's been awhile. and maybe it's time. >> "maybe its time?" depp, you fool. you think you can say these things without repercussions? you are crazier than you appear. america is generally populated by normal people, law-abiding people and maybe americans will show their distaste of your comments by steering clear of your movies. johnny, rather than pretending to know a damn ounce and politics, stick to the scripts or take a role on a goal that came from nothing, made a billionaire about being a pirate, abuses drugs and alcohol to the point of accused of abusing his beautiful young wife
played by amber hurd, behind up a burned out wasted man. that's not a movie role. it's your life. >> you played a role about americans being god-fearing people. i had a call today. the man said he was the going to see the pirates of caribbean movie and changed his mind. he's going to see cars instead. i thought you said that beautifully, danielle, earlier. those that feel this way, you like trump or obama, it's about elevating. we're not going here anymore. that's how -- >> i want to point out that johnny depp apologized. that may be because he's getting backlash. >> absolutely. he didn't feel so bad when everybody was cheering and laughing and he thought he was cool. he can be a shriveling hippy scarf with a hat attached to it.
he's a pathetic drunk. he does haven't any money. he's accused of beating his wife. he's like i'm cool, bro. get over it. i don't think it's fair to call an assassination for a president. given what we've been seeing, incredibly irresponsible. really gross. >> i almost expect celebrities to be moronic. maybe it's time. >> it's indefensible. whether it's johnny depp talking about president trump or somebody talking about president obama. none of this is okay. i'm not going to sit here and defend people that come out -- >> sorry for the laughing. >> self-profess. >> what is worse, what he said or the fact that the crowd
cheered? that's a little unsettling. >> that was in england. >> he was across the pond. >> still to your point, people have to keep each other in check on social media. that's not keeping people in check. no matter how much they've had to drink -- >> let's talk about the business end, eboni. delta and the bank of the america pull out of sponsorship of "shakespeare in the park" because half of america doesn't a green with that tone. >> even people that don't support president trump don't like that mess. that's what i'm saying. it's a matter of time before we have to hear from disney. people won't be satisfied with this statement by him. >> great job dealing with your money issue, bro. great job making that comment when you're struggling. >> cat is pointing out that he made $650 million making movies in the last 13 years and now
maybe dead broke. >> he's having financial problems. he's deciding to work hard, it seems, to come out of that hole. not! >> can i have a nerdy question about the constitutional issue? we know free speech is protected to a point. and that point is incitement of violence. maybe it's time for you in your legal analysis, do you think that's encroaching on that incitement space? >> we're approaching it, certainly. there's a case in the supreme court that said that hate speech is constitutionally allowed. so our first amendment rights are broad for freedom. i don't think it's -- it's on the way. right? it's on the way. you can't call fire and incite someone to actual violence. i don't think we're there, but the way that these conversations are heating up, we're going to
get there it's up to leaders, particularly, of both sides, and also for people who sit in desks and in front of cameras to model the behavior. i call it my 2-year-old rule. i have a 2 1/2-year-old. what would i teach her about how to engage with someone, how to share an idea, how to sort of work at like how to be in the world? how would i do that? >> we're going to leave it there. repeal and replace. president trump and the gop are on a mission. will they succeed in coming up with a better healthcare plan than obamacare? later, despicable denial of north korea after the death of otto warmbier. stick around. ♪ when heartburn hits fight back fast with new tums chewy bites.
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>> we can get this done. we can get to yes, but the key to getting it done, to getting to yes, is we need common sense reforms that lowter cost of premiums so health insurance is more affordable. >> just a short time against, nevada senator dean heller said he would withhold support making the fifth gop lawmaker to oppose it. president trump says that he greatly supports the senate bill. although it might need some negotiation. okay. so bill, i want to come to you on this. to use senator cruze's words, do you think it's realistic? >> yes, they can get to yes. they're all posturing. everybody wants a little bit. i think the challenge is mainly in the conservatives. rand paul as more of a libertarian conservative and ted cruz to the right of everybody, they're looking for perfection. they're missing two key elements
that is surprising that they forget, they're in washington. part of it is a little compromise. you have a $590 million tax cut over ten years in this bill. all the while they keep obamacare in case, premium goes up. as conservatives, i can't imagine why they're not on board. >> i can't imagine conservatives being on board that takes your tax dollars to pay insurance companies. that's not small government. it's a disaster. the same kind of thing that conservatives were screaming and yelling how it's illegal and how can we do something like that? there's -- there's such thing as compromise. i completely understand how something like that is not something that you compromise on it. >> what about the push back to the states? they're saying let's let the states do their own medicaid expansion. that's one of the biggest tenants of the bill. they will push it to the states and let the governors and the legislators do their job of prioritizing spending. >> let me ask you this, eric. i have to say -- i'm a little optimistic to think they're not
that far apart from yes. but nobody wants to be a purist. you can't afford to be a purist on the issue. we can't afford something that looks like obamacare and doesn't bring down premiums. >> something as important as healthcare, there's two areas. policy and politics. i'm going to disagree on policy. i think this is terrible. i agree with cat. it doesn't address the cost of healthcare. not health insurance, but the cost of healthcare, you have to drive the commodity costs down. you have to, in order for to it work. cat is right. all this does is take taxpayer dollars and throw it at people. it's costing taxpayers more. the politics of it, it lets the democrats off the hook, eboni. the democrats were on the hook for an awful healthcare bill. everybody hated obamacare. there's 10% of the population
that thinks this is a good idea. now what they've done, they've transferred that hate from the democrats to the gop. it's insanity. >> i agree. that is the argument that many dems were hoping this would be the scenario. you asked and begged and here you go. >> right. here you go. 23 million people likely to be without insurance the next six ten years. in defense of obamacare, it did try to increase efficiencies in the marketplace. we have the highest healthcare costs per capita in the world. there's real problems. part of that is the fact that we have insurers as middlemen between people that get the care and -- >> but you can't say obamacare addressed any healthcare costs. it didn't. >> it tried to work the to respects-based car so doctors and healthcare providers would be incentivized to get results. >> maybe it was a stated goal. yeah, there's more coverage.
half being from basically an entitlement program and the other half being from people that didn't want to buy coverage but had a mandate. didn't get to its goals. a fair critique, where is the gop? >> you make a very good point. it was an entitlement program made bigger. >> and the insurance companies are doing fine on their own. >> it's been that way from go. the challenge is that the same people, the drivers of this, you're right, here not addressing costs but the same naysayers were fighting against prescription drugs coming in from canada, which we know would lower costs. the issue of lowering the state barriers to allow competition. all of those are good things. none of those good things can be excluded. put them in the bill. why does it have to be a catch all? >> because that's the underlying issue, cost. all year doing, as cat points out, you're masking the symptom.
>> band aid. >> it's going to fall apart and we'll have single pairer. >> you drive health insurance costs done by reducing the barriers to sell across state lines. you drive the costs of healthcare down by publishing what every hospital and doctors charges for a procedure or medication and that will i'm ba bare -- embarrass them and drive costs down. >> if you don't get rid of obamacare, costs will rise. >> i hear that. have to get rid of it. >> that's the way they're going to get republicans to vote by saying, oh, if you don't vote for this, we're going to keep obamacare? that's a purely political argument. >> this is washington and politics and you'll never get the perfect bill. so you have to negotiate. that's the challenge with ted cruz and rand paul. >> they keep calling it not perfect so so disingenuous. it's like calling it a hurricane
and it's rainy outside. it's a bad bill. this will fall apart and we'll wind up with single payer. >> even if you're not opposed to the government involvement part, bill, if you want affordable premiums, this doesn't get us closer to that. much to discuss. we won't end it here. when we come back, north korea denies otto warmbier was tortured. we know better. we'll break it down when we come back. liberty mutual stood with us when a fire destroyed everything in our living room. we replaced it all without touching our savings. yeah, our insurance won't do that. no. you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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north korea dismissed claims of torture as groundless. as it could get crazier, north korea claims they're the victim. you have to be kidding me. later dennis rodman saying they don't know what is good about north korea. they're modernized over there. >> like 200,000 people in prison camps? that's good? >> and the nukes they're modernizing. this is obviously disgusting. this is the official story in north korea, this is what the people over there believe. >> right. >> so how do you deal with something like that? >> you take that, them saying they sent warmbier back normal and realizing that and they blame botulism at one point. he was going to be normal. he dies the following week. you take that and apply everything they ever say to
including with testing their ballistic missiles. they just tested a rocket. they talked about testing a nuke under the ground that could blow away los angeles, the west coast of the united states. you apply that same logic. again, i'll say it again. i'm called a war monger right now. but i think there's a way to not nuclear but disassemble their nuclear ambitions quietly and effectively with a big bomb over their -- >> they would be big ass consequences for that big ass bomb. >> and you have to avoid military -- taking military action. >> we can avoid that, cat. but look, it's bogus you're called a war monger because you want to bury your head in the sand is around and issue that is growing day by day. they're telling us that. i want to touch on this young
man's death. that is -- it's not enough that this family, those parents lost their young 22-year-old son. now they have to deal with the added salt in wound of the fact that this regime is not only denying its responsibility, but essentially further blaming their death on him. talk about self-inflicted. i can't imagine being a parent and having to wake up to this type of statement from north korea. not that we expected better of them, but i can't imagine it. >> i can imagine it. these are not good people. there's zero indications that they will the anything but the most monstrous disgusting -- >> they may do something crazy but who is to say they wouldn't do it anyway, the dmz troops or the west coast -- >> we have a president that is not afraid or doesn't come off afraid to say what's on his mind be, tough and act. in that sense, i don't know what the solution is.
is it worth a military conflict where a student dies? may be if you're talking about the bigger picture. >> look at their increased ambitions. in 2009, the beginning of the president obama administration, the first bomb they tested was two megatons. now who knows what they're willing to do. >> no denying this is bad. what is a good way to handle it is a hard question. >> i agree. we have to look at the role of china in this. china likes the fact that there's a communist country separating it from japan. china has been -- gave nuclear technology to north korea along with the pakistanis and the russians. so they have been sending parts for missiles. they're helping the north koreans build these bombs and missiles. so this is a bit political push for the president. what do you do about that? >> a quick question.
i'm just curious. i respect your apprehension to go forward with a military answer. are you banking on them just not going to that next level, them being north korea? >> of course i'm not. i'm not. i'm just saying that you can't look at it always, okay, we have military action. we take it out. nothing will happen. they have things hidden under grounds over there. they have people on the ground or they wouldn't be afraid to use. we have americans there. there's south korea there. there would be consequences. around the world, might be kind of mad at us for sparking that. i'm just saying acknowledge that. if you did do something -- >> if he does something, first shot, right? and we just -- >> one thing that -- >> how crazy of a regime they are -- >> we should be doing all we can to build up our missile defense system. we should be putting way more energy into that right now. >> how many americans have to
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let's continue to conversation. so president trump is questioning just how independent special counselor robert mueller is. he said this morning on "fox and friends." >> he's very good friends with comey, which is very bothersome. he's also -- we'll have to see. we'll have to see in terms -- look, there's been no obstruction, there's been no collusion. there's been leaking by comey. there's been no collusion, no obstruction and virtually everybody agrees to that. >> okay. bill, i want to ask you this about what the president just said. i understand when we go back to the comey testimony, he was lobbing up high fives to robert mueller. i would be concerned if i was president trump. don't tell anybody. this was my question. >> our secret. >> how do people enjoy reputations of objectivity and professionalism that are beyond
approach. people said that robert mueller is standup as there comes. he's the only one to ask to stay an extended team, beyond ten years and now coming back in this capacity. when james comey comes into the picture. everybody is too bias to be trusted. >> everybody has their own political agenda. comey was popular until he wasn't. the democrats loved him until they didn't and the republicans loved him until they didn't. everybody is bringing their agenda to the table. the truth is, the president will benefit if he is saying what is true is. there's no collusion and no hype. if you can paint the picture and say these are hillary supporters, they have it in for me. if it's those guys that exonerate him, it's smooth sailing to re-election. >> i feel that eric will feel differently. >> we have seven investigations going on, we have a special
prosecutor, no evidence of collusion or obstruction of justice yet. yet. we found out today -- this is the fallout of wanting investigations too aggressively. on the democrat side, the senate judiciary committee announced they're going into a probe into loretta lynch because apparently there was a hacked batch of e-mails that said that a democratic operative that expressed that mrs. lynch would keep the clinton investigation from going too far and that there was e-mails going back and forth between the dnc, hillary clinton campaign and the department of justice. think about that. that is the definition of collusion. >> that's not good. >> and it's democrats. >> i think that a.g. lynch is being looked at. we've learned things that are not favorable. >> we have to be careful. those are things planted by
russia. i want the go back to -- >> are you accusing this e-mail to be a russian planted e-mail? >> there's some reporting around the idea that alleged e-mail where connections between the attorney general and the hillary clinton campaign -- >> "the washington post" and "new york times" reporting these. >> listen, i don't trust them, but i'm saying -- i would think that they would -- especially being democrats that they're looking at, alleged investigations, wow. okay. all right. >> back -- we can talk about that afterwards over a glass of wine or something. comey and mueller are part of the institutions of this country. i think what the president is doing is problematic. what he has done with the press, which is to undermine them so that they only speaker of truth is him. what he's doing with mueller and comey -- you know how they got
to know one another? john ashcroft's bedside in the bush administration when they stood up and offered their own resignations when they would not allow additional nsa eavesdropping to continue. so they stood up and said this is wrong, this is unconstitutional. this is a violation of the fourth amendment. you can have our resignation. >> what about when president obama defended hillary clinton? you have the same thing. there's precedent for presidents saying this is what i believe. >> so regardless of whether he's being fair or not, if he recuses himself, real bad for trump. way worse for trump and a bias he had more comey. you think you heard the i word a lot last time. you would heard it from the moment you woke up to the moment
you went to sleep. it's true. >> doesn't it strike you as odd with all the things that have been leaked and talked about and accusations and he did this, and they did this and there was e-mails. not one of these things has the subject line trump colluded or trump or instructed justice. not one of them. >> that changes nothing about what i just said. >> not responding to what you said, i pose the question, does it not strike you as odd with all of the information leaked, all of the investigations leaked, all of the accusations of everyone around trump, not one of these leaks or accusations has trump colluding or obstructing justice? >> i have become -- i can see an outcome where he is vindicated. there's no there there. but i think robert mueller really needs to make that call at this point for that to be put to bed. >> absolutely. there is no evidence of it at
this point. but that won't matter. this will become the evidence if he recuses himself. people will see it as evidence. >> i respect -- >> not in a legal -- evidence of a legal sense. >> i respect your opinions that we need more investigations. when this is going on, seven investigations and a special counsel, d.c. shuts down. they can't do anything, can't say anything, can't talk to other people without a lawyer present. without three people present. this is a real drain on resources and they are limited in d.c. of the trump administration. >> final words from eric coming up. you won't believe what my co hosts uncovered on coney island. "the fox news specialists" will be right back. how old do you want to be when you retire? i was thinking around 70. and before that? you mean after that? no, i'm talking before that.
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>> tough political climate right now. a lot of people don't really seem to know what to do about it. i came to the mermaid parade to see if mermaids know what to do about it. >> what do mermaids think about the russian investigation. >> i was married to one. >> they can't be trusted. >> do you know anything we don't know? >> not today. today is about the mermaid parade. >> are you a mermaid? >> yes. >> i'm a jelly fish technically. >> there's all this investigation into the russian stuff. do mermaids have any insider information on that? >> i'm not afraid to say. >> what do you know as a mermaid? >> to have fun. >> have fun and stay in water. >> i'm scared they're going to uncover some scary truth. >> it's very scaly.
a scaly situation. >> i'm going to tell the fbi director he can use this. >> it won't be the first time. >> do mermaids know things we don't? >> i think that today is a day that nobody is a liberal, nobody is a right wing or nobody is anything. today you're a mermaid. >> i'm trying to give mermaids a voice on the important political issues with the mystery of the sea, you might know some things we don't know. >> they did it. wow! >> everybody is looking for evidence. you have it all. >> you think politicians should be listening to mermaids? >> absolutely. they should represent like what is happening in the world. >> i was a mermaid. i think what happens in the sea as plies to the land. shouldn't be willing to take fake news is real news because it's easier and doesn't require as much attention. >> is there fake news in the sea? >> yeah.
>> you think maybe we need some mermaids in washington d.c.? >> we need mermaids everywhere. >> trump needs a mermaid adviser. >> 100%. >> you should call your congressman. >> you don't like something, swim away. >> swim away. >> there's no mermaids at all in congress. you think that is unfair? >> no mermaid in congress? >> not a one. >> not a mermaid in congress? >> not a one. >> that is shocking. >> you think washington d.c. would operate better if more people were mermaids? >> yeah. >> we've never had a mermaid president. what do you think about that? >> sounds like a good idea. >> i'm all about individual liberty. >> maybe you should be a mermaid. >> you should be. maybe everybody should be. >> maybe they should. >> happy mermeriversary. >> happy i could be a part of this moment. >> was that a festival? >> a parade. >> did they plan it so it was rainy that day?
>> yeah. it's all real. >> all real. i'm not afraid to get on the ground and, you know, find some answers to some of the questions. >> i think we should have gone there earlier. we talked about how we talk to each other in a way that we're not ratcheting up the you know what. put a mermaid costume on. >> they were not just putting costumes on. they were establishing their identities. >> not one of them -- they would have been upset if i didn't treat them as mermaids. >> she was a jelly fish, not a mermaid. >> don't go there. >> the two mermaids were the only two that should have been mermaids. >> next, we circle back with our specialist, bill and danielle. we'll be right back.
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>> my question for you bill also what is the worst job you've seen someone do pronouncing your last name? >> i think we had a tie here today. >> spadea. that was so fluid. >> quick, danielle, constitutional law expert. were you a moot court person. >> i was. >> i knew you were. nothing wrong with being a nerd. >> i just had a... >> i was, too. >> tell us what moot court is? >> have you to google it. >> it's like appellate mock trial work in law school. only the biggest legal geeks in all of law school compete to be on it. >> it was probably for the bef. >> recreational lawyering in my time. >> the best way do it. >> we finished six weeks on this show. thank you to all our, first of all our foxnews specialist bill
spadea and we thank you for watching. make sure you follow us on social media, twitter. "special report" is up next. >> president trump tells fox news he is bothered by the special counsel's frep by the man trump fired as fbi director and the taped conversations was meant to keep james comey honest this is "special report." >> good evening welcome to washington. i'm james rosen sitting in for basketball. in an, expressed doubt whether robert müller responsible for investigating ties to russia and related matters can possibly be impartial. president told aimsly air hart he is worried about muller and the man fired as fbi