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canada, the throat singing really got to prince charles. thanks for inviting us at your home tonight. that's it for this "special report." i don't know, throat singing. fair, balanced, and unafraid. "the story" starts right now. >> dana: breaking tonight, huddling with leaders on issues of war and peace. hours away from what is the most discussed meeting of his presidency. the first face-to-face with let me put in. i'm dana perino and for martha maccallum. the gathering of the world's richest countries, for one of the most dysfunctional dictatorships driving the agenda. north korea's surprise loss of a missile potentially capable of hitting alaska with a nuclear weapon, demanding urgent attention. here's the president earlier today. >> as far as north korea's concern, i don't know.
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we will see what happens. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. but i've been pretty severe things that we are thinking about. it's a shame that they are behaving this way, but they are behaving in a very, very dangerous manner. something will have to be done about it. >> dana: hours later, the president flew to germany. notably absent from that discussion, the chinese president. the chinese and americans drift for their part of her north korea. so with the president sending a message. >> never give up. >> dana: meanwhile, jay matas backing the president's tough talk. same that will the plummets he has not failed, the american military stands ready. speak of diplomacy has failed. it has prevented war, any kind
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of effort by north korea to start a war would lead to severe consequences. >> dana: for more on the day that was and what lies ahead, we go to chief white house correspondent who is traveling with the president of germany. john. >> dana, good evening. good morning, actually, from hamburg germany. let's skip had a couple of days. a very important meeting on saturday. clearly the two of them have a lot to talk about when it comes to north korea. just before he left the united states, president trump sent out a tweet in which he pointed out that trade between china and north korea had increased by 40% at a time that president trump thought that china should be restricting trade with north korea, trying to put the screws on it. the president team to suggest that he'd given up on the idea of china helping rain in, and he saw just a couple seconds ago,
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never give up. the president tweaking, president xi, him having dinner, and the prime minister of japan, tweeting great trilateral meeting. he's actually the prime minister, not the president. at the u.s. consulate in hamburg. the meeting was to discuss the strategy on north korea, which clearly has become all the more urgent since that test, the intercontinental ballistic missile in the fourth of july. another big bilateral meeting coming up tomorrow, you alluded to this a couple seconds ago, dana. president trump's very first meeting with president vladimir putin of russia. they talked on the phone, there is the first face-to-face. the speech today, in warsaw, the president urging russia and president putin to stop their destabilizing behavior in
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eastern europe, particularly in eastern ukraine. an end their support for al-assad of syria. i'm told by administration officials that the delegation for tomorrow's meeting, you would know better about this would signal this, it's going to be very small. he might only be two people and an interpreter. it might just be the president and the secretary of state. so the white house will keep a small, intimate affair. i am hearing that russia and some in the white house want to make it a bigger meeting. they thought the importance of the present meeting with president putin, we should make this a big meeting. the white house, at least the state senior staff, i didn't want to do that. they want to keep this a small affair. i don't know that the final tie has been cast on this, but that's where they aren't tonight. >> dana: sounds like they're going to keep it small. thank you so much, john. here with more is pete hoekstra. and michael welch, former green beret commander and fox news could do.
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thank you for joining tonight. congress may, if i could start with you. let's go back to the tweets that john roberts talked about. the photograph that president trump put forward today. president xi was not there, and president trump put a lot of pressure on china to try to force him to give up this effort to get nuclear weapons. what he think that the chinese take away from this based on your experience as a former intel chairman? >> what i think the chinese take away from this is that number one, the united states, south korea, and japan are going to put together a united front to try to convince china to be more aggressive in its actions towards north korea. obviously the discussion the present has had with the chinese has not had the desired outcome. we need to make sure there's no distance, no space between south korea, japan, and the united states as we try to engage china what we believe is
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in all of our best interests. >> dana: you had an interesting point about the south koreans and their approach. how serious can they be when they look at this, they are actually looking to change the approach we've had for the last several decades. >> you are exactly right. that is the area where we need to close the most space. north korea is launching missiles. south korea is delaying the installation of six new missile batteries that the united states has provided to them, because they are going to do an environmental study which may take up to a year. talk about sending mixed messages. that's why i think this meeting tonight is so important. the three countries to present a united front, because right now they are not. >> dana: i think that's an excellent point. i didn't know about the environmental impact study until you mentioned it earlier today. michael, you say the calculus needs to change and fast. how can we possibly do that? is a meeting like tonight part
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of the way to do that, then you also have a point about sanctions, not just against u.s. companies doing business in north korea, but chinese companies doing that kind of business. >> that's right, dana. what i hope to not happen at that meeting tonight was pulling out the old playbook. you and i remember from the bush administration the six party talks that went nowhere, and of course the clinton administration agreement only bought the north koreans more time. what i'd like to see is what we call secondary sanctions. right now there's this notion that we are kind of maxed out in the sanction regime. we need to start doing is hitting chinese banks more than just the one that we hit last week, and other chinese companies and entities that are doing business with north korea. that's what worked against iran, that's what we told the rest of the world, look, if you do business with these entities, then we are going to do business with you. that's when everything started clamping down and really started clamping down in this case on
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the north korean pocketbook. the other thing i wanted to add to the congressman's point about missile defense, i think we get much more aggressive in the missile defense arena and start shooting down these rockets as they are testfired. that is coming very close to what i think to be called a provocation. we need to start pulling new measures out, because between now and the north koreans being able to put a nuclear test missile on the launchpad, it's incredibly interest. finally, i think we need to talk to the chinese in ewa hard conversation about regime change if those don't work. >> dana: let me ask about that, congressman. regime change to what? i was out talking to someone today who study north korea for a long time, where do you go? the rest of the family, that might not be the best idea. the military is bought in. is there anybody in north korea that could actually take over if there were to be regime change?
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>> i think that's a great question. if there is somebody, i don't think we know or we are not aware of that person. the south koreans are not. the japanese are not. the chinese might have somebody in mind, but there's no name that comes forward. the chinese are not going to engage in regime change if they're not even going to try to put pressure on the north koreans. >> dana: michael, les were to you, then we run. >> in terms of the chinese calculus, right now they are more afraid of occur at, collapsed regime that they have to do with, or a unified korean peninsula that is friendly to the u.s. if all those other options failed, and the choice the chinese have is war or putting their own folks in place, and i guarantee the chinese have reached into the regime, then i think that's a viable option for us to talk to the chinese about and say look, you guys control this or we will, because war is
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in no one's interest on the peninsula. truly would be devastating. >> dana: will continue to check back in with you. now tonight back story. before arriving in germany, the president living in emotional speech to the people of poland. he spoke on the monument at 1944 warsaw uprising, marking the sacrifice of freedom fighters who thought the. >> our citizens did not win freedom together, did not survive pours together, did not face down evil together, only to lose our freedom to a lack of pride and confidence in our values. we did not, and we will not, we will never back down. [cheers and applause] just as pulling cannot be broken, i declare today for the world to hear that the west will never, ever be broken.
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our values will prevail. our people will thrive. and our civilization will triumph. [cheers and applause] >> dana: marc thiessen is a former chief speech writer for george w. bush and a fox news contributor, and his mother is one of those freedom fighters. i wish i'd known more about that we work together at the white house, because i would've given her a big bear hug. the speech is really personally important to you, and you've written speeches for american presidents to give in eastern europe. tell me about your thoughts. >> could host a donald trump for delivering the speech. he was a terrific speech. probably the best speech of his presidency so far, and an important speech, one of the best beach. there's my mom up there receiving a medal for her service in the uprising. thanks for showing that. it was personally important to me for exactly that reason, when he was talking about the insurgency, when the polls took
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back -- my mom was one of those insurgents, that he was describing the speech. that scene on jerusalem avenue where there was the soldiers firing at the korea girls, my mom was one of those girls at an age when most girls were laying dodgeball. carrying messages across the insurgency. >> dana: and she raised you to understand -- >> p.o.w., came back here to london, the camp today and nine states and became an american citizen. >> dana: and she raised you to understand and appreciate liberty and freedom. i thought there was something today that you had mentioned earlier that president trump talked about, if we could play the sound of what's happening with insurgents in syria. >> we urge russia to cease its destabilizing activities in ukraine and elsewhere. and its support for hostile regimes including syria and ira
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iran. and instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and the defense of civilization itself. >> dana: as i understand it, what you want to stresses the importance of not underestimating an enemy. >> absolutely. the lessons of the warsaw uprising were over 200,000 people were killed, and more broadly world war ii where the killed 25 million people. you can't sit back and let murder ideologies grow and fester until they become capable of killing people on that kind of a scale. when you look at what happened in warsaw, what happened in europe, regional people look at say why did we let the ideology grow and take over a great power, and build its military might? for the same reason that we did nothing about the rise of isis. for the same reason we did nothing about syria well half a million people have been massacred in the last four or five years in the country. we need to confront these ideologies before they can kill
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on a scale commiserate with their hatred. that's the lesson that tunnel troubles try to get across. >> dana: thank you so much. and a big hug to your mom. thank her for all of us. >> thank you. >> dana: there were some great moments for donald trump today on the world stage. this one produced the most coverage. >> we want to see fair press. i think it's a very important thing. we don't want fake news. >> dana: our panel is here and whether the reaction is warranted. a former advisor to both bill and hillary clinton says it's time for democrats to move back to the center. but is that possible when their leaders of tomorrow leaned further left? we will discuss. plus one kardashian could be facing jail time for subjecting his ex-girlfriend to something referred to as "revenge." that legal debate, i had boost. it's about moving forward, not back.
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>> dana: in between meetings with some of the world's most influential leaders, president trump also taking some time today to hit one of his favorite targets, the media. watch. >> i think what cnn did was unfortunate for them. as you know now they have some pretty serious problems. they have been fake news for a long time. they've been covering me in a very, very dishonest way. if you have that also, by the
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way mr. president? nbc is equally as bad. despite the fact that i made them a fortune with the apprentice, but they forgot that. >> dana: that prompting the larger media to what some might argue is play right into his hands. >> market presidents traveling abroad, typically uphold american values such as press freedom and the institution of the presidency. mr. trump for his own reasons did not. >> this is remarkable. you have a united states president on foreign soil attacking the cia. attacking our intelligence communities. attacking america's free press. >> no other president in our lifetime, probably ever would say such a thing. >> none of this is normal. this elevates it to a new level because it's dangerous to have a president not be defending american values on stage. >> dana: we know the media is a popular target of his, but was this the right venue?
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let's bring in howard kurtz, lisa boothe, republican strategist, and both are fox news contributor's. if i could start with you. you've covered many presidents and this was a little bit unusual. maybe not unusual for president trump >> the venue was unusual. hardly shocking that president trump taking a few more wax at cnn and nbc. it was startling, and as you know, asked renee for an american president for denouncing the media, next to a foreign leader who is crackdown on his own media. the president kind of muddied the story line of a very serious, well-crafted and well delivered speech in poland. for a guy that often complains with some justification about the media not covering the substantive stuff is reckoned administrator, he made a distraction full well knowing that the media would pounce on us. >> dana: lisa, i always say that president trump keeps serving of dessert first. instead of making them eat their
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vegetables. the speech was the vegetables, but he always sends up the dessert first. >> does or does good. [laughs] this is a question of it's the time or the place for president trump to go after the media, but the media was also covering the handshake between the first lady of poland and president trump saying that she dissed him and saying that that wasn't true. they were looking for negative things to cover. what he said about cnn is true. if they have produced fake news. they have treated him unfairly. just today, one of the reporters asked him about the debunked claim that there are 17 agencies that came to the same conclusion about russia. even "new york times" and the associated press corrected that story just recently. three reporters were forced to resign over a fake news story. cnn covering stories like president trump getting two scoops of ice cream instead of one. i think it's absolutely fair for the president to question cnn, was at the right time or place?
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that's fair for debate. >> dana: jessica, the reaction from the media seems almost to make it worse. and makes almost a mockery of the media. >> resident trim , >> dana: they take it all most every time. >> then we are having our own discussion here instead of talking about the substance of the speech which he did well here. for quite some time i believe he does better abroad. he sticks to the teleprompter when he's doing the speeches, and he has whoever is writing his speeches has some solid ideas, and i was thrilled to see them reaffirm our support for article five with nato. i would push back a little bit on lisa saying that those journalists who were fired, it was because the story was fake news, the person in charge said it wasn't even that it wasn't true, it was that it was shoddily sourced at this point. that is different than fake news. so this is not the venue.
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>> let me ask you, because the media is under such a microscope right now, everyone is focusing on any beetle mistake, do you get the sense that journalists are trying to knuckle down and really make sure they have everything solid, or are they still flying by the seat of their pants on the stories that are shoddily sourced? >> i think the standards have been lowered because of this president. you look at the last month, there's been a whole series of high-profile mistakes, corrections, apologies, some involving cnn. cnn and abc only reporting james comey was going to tell the senate. i can give you a whole list. also i think the media take the bait, so cnn's white house correspondent talking about the presser today in poland, a fake news conference. why? because in his view the president took a question from a sympathetic reporter from the daily mail who had been to the white house -- >> i have to tell you -- i worked for george w. bush, to
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hearken back to that. how many journalistic bid to call upon four different questions or have the president call upon that went to work for president obama? there is a list of about ten long that i can come up with just off the top of my head. i thought that was unfair. and david of the daily mail as a decent question. he called and nbc news. i think that the criticism is low and fair. >> it's also an issue that has been widely discussed with president trump, this war on the media so to speak. as well as the cnn video that he put out. i think the question is fair there. even back to him saying he's been treated unfairly, there's a study done not to long ago showing that cnn and nbc covered the president in his first 100 days 13 to one negative to positive stories. howard is right when he says that this president is being covered differently than presidents past. i think that's actually a problem for the media.
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even cbs, john dickerson said that the media did this to themselves. hysterical coverage as you pointed out in the coverage in the beginning of the segment of all the compilation of things that people it said. this hyperventilation. they take it so far that i think americans stop trusting the media because of that hyperventilation. >> dana: but they also don't trust president trump it everyone is not doing well here >> dana: we didn't get chance to get to it, but there is a poll, there's a lack of trust all throughout. interestingly, a great deal of support for the intelligent screen at 60%. the president at 37%. the media at 30%. and congress at 29%. i don't know what everyone could do about that, but we will certainly keep talking about it. appreciate you being here. >> thank you. >> dana: another deathly fourth of july for chicago is more than 100 shootings and over a dozen homicides rock america's third-largest city.
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>> dana: tonight, a closer look inside the democratic party. eight months after hillary clinton's loss is the party tries to cobble together a new vision, a new leader, and even a new base, critics warn current party leaders have offered little more. >> i really believe is that women's rights is the unfinished business of the 21st century. >> i don't care. >> we do know that the many more people, hundreds of thousands of people will die if this bill passes. >> the republican party is going after working people and women and low income people in an unprecedented way.
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>> hats off to nothing but to bernie sanders. speak to make >> dana: a former clinton insider looks towards a solution. mark penn writing that the path back to par for the democratic party today, as was in the 1990s, is unquestionably to move to the center and rechecked the calls of the left whose policies and ideas have weakened the party. joining me now, one of the men who wrote that piece, former posterior and senior advised a person can, mark penn. and susan vergara, a former bernie send chemic sanders staffer. he wrote today at what i think is important is that the last few years of the obama administration, in a 2015 primary season, once again created a rush to the left. identity politics, class warfare, and big government all made big comebacks. i believe you are making the ark meant that that did not lead to victory at the ballot box and it's time to tack back to the senate pretty doing the right? >> i think that's right, dana.
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you look at what happened in the last two years of the obama administration and what happened in that primary, i think the sanders campaign also pushed hillary clinton to the left it at the democratic party got fundamentally repositioned, much further to the left, and out of touch with working-class voters. working-class voters really want to see the values of hard work, family, religion, because that's a strong part of a party that they can support for economic progress. i think they got left behind in the shift that occurred at that time. >> dana: does that ring true to you, or do you see the party moving in a different direction? there was a lot of energy behind bernie sanders and the primary last year. >> i have breaking news for market, it's not the 1990s. the administration that he served in lost more african-american men sonata run has fond memories of the following of the 90s administration. right now it's not about the democrats losing their identity
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of the party, it's about the identity of the messenger. not the message. i am actually independent, i am a pro business owner, so i believe in a lot of central, center ideas. but the problem is i have no trust in the messenger. so until we change the messenger of the message, we can have more the same. >> dana: who is the messenger? >> according to mark, the messenger should be people like hitler clinton. so it was about sanders trying to push her to the left, it was about that movement try to push hillary clinton out of the game and she refused to go. at this moment we cannot go back to what was done and what was done before because it's a new time, it's a new day, and until consultants like mr. penn and others get that and understand that people are wanting a different messenger, it's going to be more of the same. >> dana: mark, i'm assuming given that you are posterior, that are making some >> first, she's right. i'm not talking about going back to the past. i'm saying it's time for us to
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look at new issues. let's look at the concentration of wealth and power in the tech industry. is that working out for working people? let's look at the economy jobs. do they have the kind of structure, requirement, fairness that really give people an appropriate way to work in a new economy. what about rural areas and the opioid crisis? what was happening in chicago. why are democrats leaving these issues on the table? where is our infrastructure plan? we should take that issue back from president trump and say here is a democratic infrastructure plan that will make america work again in the 21st century. where is that? we don't have a that, and that's what i'm calling for. not a return to the past. >> dana: does that make sense to you from your perspective? >> no, does make sense because the article clearly was talking about the clinton in the 90s, the fact that the photo that was used when i pulled the article up that talked about it.
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they should've told the editor, because i got really confused when i saw it. so it stuck my going back to the 90s and is talking about the crime in chicago again, talking about the push for a new war on drugs, frankly people that i deal with on a daily basis in fact i had an interview today, are concerned about those issues. the message stays the same good health care, jobs, be in a safe space, health care, be able to work, take care of our families. but it is the messenger. so who would mark suggest that needs to carry that new message? the message hasn't changed. it's been the same. >> dana: here is your chance, mark. you get to choose. who is to be? >> i think none of us knows who's going to emerge. let's not forget, three quarters of this country is moderate and conservative. about 27% is liberal. the democratic party has got to bridge the gap here, because right now nobody is winning. democrats are winning, republicans are winning. everybody's got a negative
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rating. >> dana: republicans are winning -- president trump says you're going to get tired of winning, mark. >> that have been winning, as you point out, but democrats could get back to winning if they combine the kind of zeal and passion for equality with the progrowth economic policy. let's bring back that kind of economic policy we south president clinton, -- >> dana: thought democratic as they go through the pretense that republicans be going through. thank you both for joining me. >> thank you. >> dana: an update tonight on the condition of congressman steve scully's we have the latest word we receive word about another republican lawmaker threatened with violence. it was a devastating holiday weekend in chicago pit will take you there live for a special report on the historic shooting spree. an ambitious and controversial initiative to curb that violence, that's coming up next. .
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>> dana: a deadly string of violent strike in the city of chicago over the holiday weekend. 101 people were shot, and to compute were killed over the fourth of july weekend this year. last year saw 62 shot and four killed. the shocking figures just the latest calling attention to a city where crime is been running rampant. live in chicago tonight with details. mike. >> the city put more officers on the street, the latest technology was in play, and still the south and west sides lit up with gunfire over the holiday weekend. one more personal shot last night. a police officer was roughed up. three people were shot today, one of them killed. cap still know the power to keep the gunmen behind bars. >> holiday weekend in chicago, and the crime tape is up. more than 100 shot. 15 are dead. even little girls at a school playground are not safe from the constant gunfire. two and a half weeks ago a 13-year-old and a 7-year-old were shot by stray bullets. please complain that they can't
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keep gunmen in prison. the reality is they can't even hold them in jail. >> the fact that we continuously let gun offenders repeat gun offenders out in a small amount of time is ridiculous. >> ironically, low-level, nonviolent offenders languish in the cook county jail. according to the sheriff, only 4% of those accused of retail theft make bail. 25% of violent gun offenders post bond and return to the streets no matter how high the amount. most get out within a few days. the sheriff says that's because street gangs have cash from selling drugs. a ruthless shooter has a valuable role. >> need to get him back out on the street, because he will be the enforcement that they need so they will get the money together from top sales, whatever to get him out. the guy who stole a sandwich to eat, he will sit in jail. this is nuts. >> the tripping investigation determined that 10% of the gun offenders will shoot again before they go on trial for the original offense.
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there was a bill that would've given judges judges the power to deny bail in certain cases, but that cutback shelved as illinois dove headfirst into this budget crisis. now the session is over. as carl sandberg wrote about chicago, "i've seen the gunmen kill, and go free to kill again." dana. >> dana: thank you so much for that report. it was fascinating. as the city grapples with violence, chicago is making some big and controversial changes on the education front with a new requirement for high school graduates. starting with the class of 2020, students will be required to prove that they post graduate plans to get a diploma. a job, try, trade apprenticeship, acceptance letter, maybe even the military. the question is can this work? here and i was one of my cohosts from the five. i read through the list of all the people that were shot over the weekend, and it was all ages, all sorts of injuries, just the tragedy that is happening with the violence.
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this i have to say, seems like a pretty innovative idea from the mayor to say we've to figure out a way to give these kids a life plan looking forward after high school. >> i think that's right. today struck me as innovative, struck me as something that for the first time opens a window to the future. it's not just about dropping out or even just getting back to get the accreditation of a high school diploma, because that's only -- you can only do so much with a high school diploma. the way that ben carson, the hud secretary, talks about his psychology of poverty, i think this opens a window that says let's get beyond that. where you going to do, young men, young woman? here are some possibilities. have you thought about college? yes, you can go to college but have you thought about job training if that is more appropriate for you? or the military? these are good things. i think the critics point to the fact that the city government in chicago was cutback in terms of the staffing and the teachers in the chicago public school system, but to my mind i think the people that remain have to make a difference for those kids
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and have to say these kids are expecting to succeed, and we want them to succeed. >> dana: erin one little girl, she's 15, she said she never met her high school counselor. she did know that they were there. the resources constrained. but do you think that if you have for this requirement, maybe the families and pushing you, the government, the school is going to push it. that was my initial reaction was that here we go with another government mandate to require students to do something. but i come around to thinking that this is probably a good idea and you shouldn't, i shouldn't fault the mayor for trying to cop with a way to help these kids get ahead. >> but i think you've touched on something that's very interesting. in the past, for my generation, it would be look to the church. we look to your nuclear family, maybe your extended family. you're looking to the neighbors, the people in the community to enforce some norms. i think a lot of that has fallen away. i'm a big proponent of charter schools for example. what you see is charter schools have expanded the length of the
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day, even sometimes the length of the school year in order to give more structure to these children's lives. i think part of that is saying to them "let's think about what you're going going to do once you leave here." what is it you think is your future apart from getting involved with what mike tobin was talk about, this dysfunctional, self-destructive madness which is grudges, gangs, or becoming a parent before you are ready. let's think about something like graduating, moving on, building a career before you get involved in thinking about having a family. getting out. even moving to places where there are more jobs, more opportunities, and less of this cycle of violence. >> dana: thank you so much. always good to have your expertise, and i will see when an hour. an ugly battle playing out on social media between two reality tv stars. it is now being called of so-called "revenge porn." attorney david wall reports one of them could end up behind bars. breaking news on congressman
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>> dana: here the other stories making news tonight.
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a brand-new update on conger missing steve scalise. the house majority whip underwent surgery for management of an infection, and we are told he tolerated the procedure well and remains in serious condition. scalise was shot through a scope on a virginia baseball field by a man targeting republican lawmakers. that shooting apparently inspiring others to take violent action against g.o.p. leaders. mark prichard affairs on is facing criminal charges tonight after allegedly telling staffers of a republican senator jeff blake outside the senator's office that "liberals will sell the republican by getting better aim." the reference to the shooting. it's not over for bill cosby. hours ago a pennsylvania judge ruling that the committee and will be retried on three charges of sexual assault. this month that same judge declared a mistrial in the case after jurors were unable to come to a unanimous verdict. retrial set to begin in novembe november. finally tonight, a war between celebrity exes that could land
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one of them behind bars. yesterday, reality tv star rob kardashian took multiple social media platforms, loading on its former fling. and once three, he suggested he paid for to have plastic surgery after their baby was born, and another he accuses her of cheating on him using an expletive that is not appropriate for television. but perhaps what's troubling for both parties is his decision to pose images of her to his millions of followers. could he not find himself in legal trouble? david wall is an attorney in california and joins us now. david, you know about this, because of her leave had clients that have gone through this whole thing with the social media and that this is illegal, a no-no in california. >> i never watch the kardashians, this is pretty much the reason why. i represent people, but not on the scale. let's assume for one moment that the first element of this criminal statute is met, and that means that rob knew that those photos were meant for his eyes only, and they had been published elsewhere, weren't given to other friends of black
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china. the next promise that the statute requires that he knew, or reasonably suspected, would cause her emotional distress, and that she was caused emotional distress. one of the problems she has is that she hit the like button on the instagram photos, naked photos of her when they were published. it might be an uphill battle for her to then say i suffered emotional distress, i want the money. if charges are filed, and a kind of doubt in this case, the big problem kardashian is going to have is that he had 10 million instagram followers, 17.5 million twitter followers, nearly 18 million, and publishing those kind of photos on that scale, knowing that the people who follow them could also screenshot the photos, keeping them forever trapped in cyberspace on their phones, or on their laptops, the exacerbation of his sentence, he can get the book thrown at them like no one has ever been
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convicted of this kind of thing before. >> dana: the further complication that they do have a child, a baby. they will have to have some sort of communication threat their lives. david, what i'm concerned about is a reality tv star, maybe she just press start, charges maybe it goes away for him. what kind of a message does this send to younger people who do watch the kardashians and do follow them on instagram and twitter, that this idea of "revenge porn" is a way to deal with your relationship problems? i'm very concerned about that for the women and the men involved. >> absolutely. up to about three years ago, it wasn't a crime. it did happen, and there were no consequences for it. the bottom line is the worst thing you can possibly do on social media, given the explosion of the depth and the numbers of people who use it, post any kind of naked or lurid photo on instagram, especially one of someone else, because
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there will be consequences whether they are criminal consequences, and about two-thirds of the states now have criminal statutes regarding "revenge porn." you can also be sued civilly. it's a horrible idea. also if you post a photo of somebody under 18, it's that not just revenge porn, its child pornography. that's a much more serious, and could be a felony. >> dana: thank you so much. >> good to see you again. >> dana: three, 43 turns 71, my special message that is next. [ sighs ] hey, i was using that. what, you think we own stock in the electric company? i will turn this car around right now! there's nobody back there. i was becoming my father. [ clears throat ] it's...been an adjustment, but we're making it work. you know, makes it easy for us to get the right home insurance.
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>> dana: before we go tonight, i want to wish my former boss, george w. bush a very happy birthday. he turned 71 years old today. he is a great example of what you can do after you are president. the bush center is going strong, and him and mrs. bush are
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enjoying a great retirement in texas and love being grand parents. happy birthday to you. don't change the channel, tucker is up next. i will be back at nine on @thestoryfnc, and you can see me back here tomorrow night at seven on "the story." good night, everyone. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." massive protests in hamburg, germany, where thousands graveled to protest. a g20 summit attended by the president. police used fire hoses to maintain order. 15 police officers were hurt in the ensuing chaos.


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