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ambassador. giving fist bumps left and right. thank you for inviting us into your home tonight. at that is it for this version of "special report," fair, balanced, who knows next tuesday, you could see president trump here. >> breaking tonight, president trump urging his team to go on the offense against damaging distractions and leaks that threaten to derail his agenda. the attorney general stepping to the plate with a major new effort that could land to leakers in jail. that is the story. good evening, i am dana perino no and for martha maccallum. jeff sessions is preparing a major announcement unveiling a high profile criminal leak investigation targeting those behind an unauthorized breach of sensitive intelligence information. in moments we will be joined by charles prom home or on what he thinks about the new effort, but first and re-live at the white house on what we may hear.
>> fox news has learned that jeff sessions will announce a crackdown as early as friday. really a critical move, president trump in the top aides believe that the parade of leaks has been damaging to the administration, but some of them have involved classified information. actually involves breaking the law. to top officials here tell us that the announcement by jeff sessions will be an overview of the justice department's balance plan at some of the recent news reports with the sensitive intelligence material. rather than an announcement of specific constitutions. while specifics say the crackdown has been in the works for a long time, we have to know the context is coming after the president put intense pressure on his attorney general to act with tweets last month. they call the demand of action, one tweet declaring ukrainian effort to sabotage quietly working to boost clinton comes to where is the investigation,
the attorney general. he cited our own sean hannity, followed by the second presidential suite. no in an exclusive work, tucker carlson, jeff sessions was blunt in declaring he expects that this will get the ball rolling on actual criminal prosecutions. >> go to jail, if we can make cases they are going to jail. that will be the efficacy, advocacy which we have been working on before. the president has every right to ask the department of justice to be more aggressive in that. we intend to. >> the attorney general saying that he will zero in on criminal leaks while the legal but damaging weeks we have seen in the media have to be plugged by the new chief of staff, general john f. kelly after he ousted anthony scaramucci who had been making that one of its principal
duties with the hours of scaramucci's exit, there was a major leak yet again in "the washington post" alleging that president trump himself directed what became a misleading statement about his son meeting at trump tower. >> dana: that leak would not be under the attorney general's purview, but the new chief of staff. here with more is charles krauthammer, a columnist and a fox news contributor. charles, we know that the president wanted this to be a priority of the attorney general. it sounds to me like he will not be frog marching anybody in front of the cameras, but is going to say, we are getting serious about this. i assume that the attorney general hopes that this will stop what they are calling no culture of leaks. what do you think? >> generally expecting something this splashy would be there frog marching of a perpetrator or two, a little bit of drama, and actually cases to present. no cases to present, it makes
you think that this is part of attorney general sessions trying to keep his job. there is nothing wrong with knowing about looking for illegal leaks, particularly from the administration unmasking, all of that stuff. that's right. given the context, to use aware that ed henry used, this is clearly an attorney general under siege being attacked by his own president trying to show that he is a good soldier. i don't think that it actually does him a lot of credit having to be so -- about the president's demand. but that's a way that is. that's how he will keep his job. >> dana: if it keeps the tweets against him at bay, because that helps them do the rest of his job. but if i can pray upon your previous experience, what is the psychology behind leakers? do you think that they are trying to further a story? is it out of the goodness of
their hearts? or do they want fame and fortune? attention from the press? where does it come from? >> this is on nonmedical diagnosis. generally speaking it is people committed to a cause and to think that their cause will be advanced by the leak. either a negative because, you want to bring people down who are hurting the country, or that you want to expose the truth i can watergate. some people like us to wait for the glory of it, but leakers generally do not get glorified. you end up like juliana sanchez hiding out for six years in the embassy, and that is not exactly glory. >> dana: there are two different types of leaks, jeff sessions will talk about the national security related intelligence information that are criminal, but now ed henry was suggesting, we have a new chief of staff, john f. kelly coming into a white house that has had leaks about what is going on inside the white house that they do not like either.
what kind of chief of staff do to stop that kind of thing? >> fire people who are cods, try to make it very clear that that will be the penalty so that you get the deterrent effect. there was a sense up until kelly's session a day ago that the white house was a free fire zone where if you had a personal enemy, you had certain ambitions forwarded by arrival in the white house, you could be leaking like crazy and tried to embarrass, hurt them, bring them down. scaramucci was pretty open about it. he was not exactly a secret leaker. he was more of a suicide bomber. who took a whole bunch of people down with him. so you have this culture of free-for-all, and what you needed, i think that trump did the exact right thing. you bring in the marine general who has a sense of shared command in order. and reading everybody the riot act.
presumably it will reduce the number of leaks in the future. but it is not going to do a thing about the ones that have already leaked out and which have been so damaging up until now. >> dana: i know that i would never have wanted to disappoint chief of staff when i worked there. if i could ask you one last question about the other piece of this that ed henry brought up, the leak in "the washington post" last night about this statement that was written about donald trump juniors meeting with the russian lawyer that the white house basically said today that the president just weighed in like any father would do, do you think that that will pass muster with the press or the investigation? >> there is no way around it, this is bad news for the white house. it is not a felony, it is not criminal, it is not -- god knows that bill clinton did that a million times, and he was nailed for what he said in the deposition. it is a whole different thing. but if lying or misleading or a
criminal offense, we would have to empty out the congress. nonetheless, it looks very bad. first because the white house had said that the president was not involved whatsoever. you got that from jacek dillow, the president's own lawyer said that. so that is not true, and second because it implicates the president in an event, the meeting with the agent of the russian government who was peddling dirt on hillary, which is the one episode of collusion that is simply undeniable. not necessarily terminal. you do not impeach somebody over that, but that is collusion. bungled collusion, collusion, nonetheless a collusion, and to have the first time the president is involved even if indirectly and after the pact. >> dana: charles krauthammer, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> dana: joining me now is charles hurt, columnist for
"the washington times," the fox news contributor, and marion marsh, the democratic strategist. want to have you listen to corey lewandowski who talked about the leaks that are actually happening within the west wing. let's listen to that. >> though, i think that the president's frustration was probably what the amount of leaking coming from the white house. if reince could not control those leaks, he was responsible. general kelly is brought into make sure that those do not continue. >> dana: let me start with you, you are a journalist, i would assume that you are probably the recipient of some leaks back in the day when we work together when i was at the white house. what do you make of the whole thing? do you think that general kelly will be able to stop leaks from inside the west wing at least? >> certainly it will be a tall order for him. but i do think that that kind of discipline that he brings to it is exactly what is needed. anybody in the press loves leak leaks. we love any sort of information that we can get. but what i think is so
interesting about so many of the leaks that we see now, first of all, a lot turned out to be true. a lot of stories printed based on the leaks wind up not being true. but the other thing that i think is so disturbing about all of it, the leaks are so damaging to the president. so many of them, of the accusations and the smear is directed at the president. and they are two things, one is a real discipline problem that the administration has to fix. but the other thing is, and this is something that a lot of people, a badge of honor in some sorts, the degree to which so many people inside the administration who are not necessarily loyalist i too feel threatened by the president, and to really do want to do him damage, because he is going to change the way things operate around here. that is not a bad thing. but they have to get control of these things. >> dana: so marianne,
sometimes they are strategic, they come in all sorts of forms, and there have been some reporters that were trigger-happy and ended up with leaks not true. if you think democrats were in any risk of overplaying their hand thinking that every leak is going to lead to the impeachment of president trump? >> well, i think only the truth could lead anywhere and take you down the path. i think the real point is look at why people are leaking from the white house about russia. and there are only two reasons. one is that you are trying to persuade trump to do something and change the behavior that you failed to do privately. and you whole hope that he does it publicly. the other reason is to save yourself. and neither one of those things puts you in a very good place if you are at the white house. because that means you are trying to outrun the truth if you are donald trump. he has made the bet that it would hurt him more to tell the truth today than to tell a lie and get caught tomorrow. when you are in that place,
things do not get better, could the democrats overplayed their hand? it is possible, but what we have seen is that the donald trump and the white house has one thing, more often then not including today, the truth is something totally different. it starts to add up. that is a bad place to be for any white house. >> dana: i have wondered, charlie, why they do not refer to the investigation and answer everything that comes out, do you think that would be more damaging, because there are the little drifts that come out like last night about the statement that was drafted for air force one, what do you think? >> i think to some degree, these guys are at this for six months. and before this, the only experience they have with politics is running the good campaign that wound up being spectacularly successful even though no one expected it to be. they are reinventing the wheel all the time. the great thing about donald trump, but a maddening thing in situations like this. they should just refer everything to the investigation,
because nobody and nobody outside of democrats and outside of people in washington cares about any of this stuff. >> dana: let me give you the last word, because you hear that a lot that the white house, nobody cares about us, and some of the polling bears that out, what do you think? >> i think that people care about it a lot. they may not respond to the particular issue, but look at donald trump's pulling, he is under water everywhere in every single pole now. i do see the trust with the american people is at the lowest place it has been in since he has gone in to the office. that line has gone down. you cannot earn trust back. it is the most valuable commodity you have been any elected office, but certainly in the white house. to our nets back would take years if not here's more. it is nearly impossible, and in six months, donald trump has lost the trust of the vast majority of the american people but the 35% that still support. >> dana: with that number, not much lower than what he won the
presidency with. he has not gone down too much. thank you both. coming up, new signals from the white house suggesting that we may be hearing their plans to deal with north korea in the not-so-distant future. that is still ahead. and one feminist writer suggested it would be a betrayal of every woman who has ever supported the democratic party, the latest issue dividing the left is next. and the democrats squabble, the republicans on the hill are getting ready to make tax reform the next legislative goal. karl rove is here to take us through how the president can win the looming battle. >> we will be submitting an infrastructure bill in the not so very distant future. we are going to be submitting a tax bill in the very near futur future. [applause]
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that wrote some of his own party are wondering whether they need a message at all besides resistance. the dustup comes as the chair of the house campaign saying his party should be willing to support candidates who oppose abortion rights, setting off some prominent progressives. the pro-choice group tweeting that any compromise is akin to allowing a far right antiwar antidemocratic force to the democratic party so that they can write laws that control women. writer lauren duka adding that this will be a betrayal of every woman who has ever supported the democratic party. joining us now, most of "dana." and a senior fellow at new leaders council, and a fox news contributor. i wanted to talk about the abortion messaging for a second. because richard, the man in charge who is basically the one for the democrats trying to make sure that the democrats can win some house seats said, look, we should be open to the fact that
some people who want to run as democrats are going to be pro-life. and that said all of these other progressive women off. and i would just wondered from your perspective, is it a good idea for the democrats to be shrinking their tent at this point? >> it is not a matter of shrinking their tent. it is a matter of really understanding where the party is and sticking to what we believe in. one thing you can learn from donald trump, whether you like him or not is that he has a message and he sticks to it. was it unpopular with some republicans? absolutely. did some republicans say that they were never-trump, absolutely. but this issue, when i say, pro, and i want to be very clear. i am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. it means something more than a woman having access to abortion care, but also having access to contraception. a means to get birth control. and go to planned parenthood clinic. it means all of these things.
so when you say that we are going to endorse candidates against that, that speaks to moving away from who we are as democrats and who we have always been. >> i follow the stuff pretty closely. i've not heard of a republican in the year saying that they want to restrict contraception. this issue has matured and you had republicans actually running on -- cory gardner of colorado, the senator ran on a platform saying that he thought birth control should be widely available and over-the-counter. so i just feel like the democrats are trying to keep republicans in a box, they have actually broken out of it. >> that's right, so good to see her. it is a strong man argument that they use because, and you hit the nail on the head, republicans are the party that's push for over-the-counter birth control, that endangers some of the special interests that fund the democratic party. i am not going to criticize democrats for coming around and
adopting a republican platform and even though it is not based on the sanctity of life, the sanctity of getting votes, i will take that if it saves some infants. i'm excited to see that. it is one of the first real smart things that i have heard from democrats in the past eight years. they are looking to expand their coalition. and they have to. when you look at the amount of democrats that voted for donald trump, not because they liked him, but because they loathed hillary clinton, and they had nobody else to put up. they really need to expand the base. they realize they have to pick up 24 seats, the only way to do that is to expand the coalition. >> dana: the other thing i would say is that the president stuck to a message about economic opportunity and growth. richard, is and that would chuck schumer was saying the other day, we have to figure out a way to get back to those issues so that we can take those voters who had voted for obama, then voted to trump and try to get them back in the category, talking about abortion, not necessarily going to be the winning thing.
more about the economy. do the democrats even need a national message, because it seems like letting out a thousand flowers bloom is a new strategy? >> we do need an national message. and i'm glad to see the better deal that chuck schumer announced. and democrats should be talking about it. but let's be clear, having a pro-choice message and an economic message is not mutually exclusive. and another point to speak to what dana mentioned about the idea of republicans being for contraception, if you remember correctly during the affordable care act fight seven years ago, republicans blocked health care companies from covering birth control for women that worked at religious institutions. >> dana: richard, that is not -- >> richard, as a woman, let a woman explained to you. insurance companies were not blocked from offering contraception. they covered contraception for
women's health needs, it was sexual purposes that companies were not forced to cover it. there is a difference. >> they should be forced to cover it in all cases. >> dana: that was the dispute. >> why am i going to ask you to play pay for my sexual active birth control. >> insurance pick companies already cover cialis and viagra? and if they cover the, why can they cover birth control? if they cover cialis and viagra why can't they cover birth control? i >> dana: don't forget my book, dana. the one that we are going to write in the future? >> yes, i know. i have things to say to you. >> dana: tweets we never sent. coming up, marco rubio is here to tell us why he delivered a national message to venezuela, but talk about some provocative comments from one of the g.o.p. senators. and despite the seeming chaos in the walls of 1600 pennsylvania avenue, the white house is working to uphold one of president trump's biggest campaign promises. filling the courts with
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>> dana: president trump setting his sights on tax reform earlier at the white house and with the chief of staff john kelly at the helm, republicans on capitol hill are hopeful that a tax overhaul is coming soon. >> what we intend to do is to take up tech support when we come back after labor day. i don't think that this is going to be 1986 when you had a bipartisan effort to scrub the code. >> dana: so how exactly should the white house were allowed to messaging on this? joining us now on his tips, karl rove, former adviser to george w. bush and a fox news contributor. there are optimists and pessimists. optima say we need textile form, the country needs it for all kinds of reasons. and then you have pessimists who say, well, it is not been done for 30 years, going to be so hard. which are you, in an optimist or a pessimist? >> i am generally an optimist. i am one of those kids like ronald reagan who got up and saw the pile of manure and dug into it trying to find the pony that
was supposed to be in there. so even after health care went down, i am hopeful. i'm actually optimistic that they are going to get tax reform measure done, a tax cut done. it's not going to be as big and as bold as we would have liked it to have been, particularly after the health care defeat, but going to be big enough and hopefully strong enough. >> dana: what do you think they should do? we heard that the president will be traveling in august, going to hit some battleground states, to sell the message. how else should they try to get this across the finish line? >> lower expectations, i noticed there is a tendency among members of the administration, noun, soon, big, great, this is going to be a tough lift. because getting it passed the house, they have a pretty good discipline there. but even there it is tough, getting it through the senate with 52 votes is going to be tougher to lower the expectations. second of all, dial up the coordination. to the good news is that that is
being done. regular meetings between paul ryan and congressman kevin brady of texas. leader mcconnell and the chairman senate committee, plus steven mnuchin, gary coleman, -- >> dana: and outside groups. >> yes, and outside groups. keep the coordination going forward. you need to stay it out. and third, expand the number of voices that are being heard. the outside groups, particularly the business community are getting revved up, and it is important to do that. you need to have the president delivery more, i think, persuasive, consistent, and educational message. he needs to tell the american people why he wants this. more than 140 characters, this is going to require said peace speeches, marshaling the evidence as to why this is important to describe in reasonable terms what might happen. do not raise the expectations. do not oversell this. do not let them mess up their
plans. that kind of thing. >> dana: we have from "the wall street journal, arguing today that the president should give an oval office address on tax reform. would you advocate for that? >> oh, i agree. even more important than just one address was, what i took away from the article was that the president has a bully pulpit, and bill was saying, make regular use of it. that means that you need to have a plan. to the white house has been without a planner. a press secretary, but as you and i know, the principle is to develop a plan to make all of the parts of the administration move in unison on capitol hill. it's doing basically you are running a campaign. speaking of the campaign, the president made promises about making sure that the bargaining for the country, conservative judges across a slate of judges in the country. is he delivering the promise from your standpoint? >> absolutely. his nominees for not just the supreme court, but the nominees for the pellet bench and the
district benches, i keep hearing terrific things about the people he is putting forward. i think that this is going to be one of the great achievements in the first year in office is that he has done so well in this regard. it is a lesson for us. this has not been in -- the president's council has been reaching out to outside groups, the federal society, leonard leo, other conservatives who are interested have been hearing from the white house, asking for their suggestions. they've been doing a lot of consultation with senators about this. this is a lesson for the white house on how they can be more successful by allowing on allies outside the west wing. >> dana: all rights, karl rove, thank you so much. he still ahead in the wake of north korea's longest range of missile test, new indications suggesting the administration is ready to act. ed henry is coming up with some interesting quotes from the white house tonight. a series of paragraphs from
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dictatorship role of nicolas maduro. 1 of 4 heads of states sanctioned by president donald trump. joining me now to discuss, one of the most ardent opponents, one who delivered the speech, florida or senator marco rubio. think of her joining me. i know that this is not a new issue to you. you have been covering it for a while. i wonder if you could explain what is happening there and why you decided to be one of the americans that stood up and gave the speech in spanish to the people of venezuela. what did you say? >> let's see what is happening there. what is happening, leaving behind a disaster, given away all the oil to spend money through a socialist model, the new guy takes over, and basically realizes that he cannot win an election. he lost the election, the legislative branch. he comes over the idea called the constituent assembly. and replacing it with a cuban style governments. where basically there are no more direct elections of the representative, all designed to
fortify themselves in power, what this leads to, thousands of the asylum-seekers are already applying the fastest growth of any country in the world. and putting pressure on the united states. it is our hemisphere, we have not had a dictatorship arrive in this region in 40 years because of the personal loss, attempted loss of data democracy since the sandinistas in nicaragua. but let's play this out, you have venezuela now in play with nicolas maduro. they can now destabilize columbia, because of the traffickers in colombia, people that are an important ally to the united states. and that takes you into central america, because that's where the migratory and drug trafficking pressure comes against the united states. joining the government of honduras. they have already -- el salvador is already there with its current to leadership. nicaragua is already all the way there. guatemala is on the urge of being a failed state.
all of the pushing into mexico who itself has a left of center type a figure running for president a year from now. you can very quickly see within four years if this works in venezuela, you could see it spread to colombia, honduras, guatemala, nicaragua, el salvador, and into mexico. you have to think forward on a couple of these things, the dominoes begin to fall, and suddenly we have a very unstable region where anti-americanism and narco trafficking are putting pressure on our country. >> dana: you are the only u.s. senator who could have delivered that speech, what was your main message to them? >> my main messages i have seen this happen before. i'm not seeking to interfere in the affairs of venezuela. we just wanted to follow its own constitution. let the people vote for whoever they want. i spoke to someone as it was born and raised and shaped by the hemisphere, by the castro in
cuba, and the tyranny that results into leads to corruption, we have seen massive amounts of corruption. my point to them is that the united states like any sovereign country has a right to decide who they deal with and on what terms. we are not going to stand by and watch as this anti-american dictator consolidates power, and violates the rights of his people and friends the united states. it was a message of solidarity and in support for what president trump has done and what he intends to do in the days to come. it's going you see the report in "the washington post" that says there might be a change of a mission statement language at the state department taking out the two words, justice and democracy so that it would maybe say something like, we promote the security, prosperity, and interest of the american people globally, does that concern you that they might take those words out? >> it does. democracy, stability, prosperity go hand in hand. when people get to vote and choose their leaders, less likely to start a war, and more
likely to be prosperous. every two, every four, every five years have to answer to their people. this is not about left versus right. one of the points i made, in argentina they have presidents on the left and the rights, but they are elected. brazil is going through a constitutional crisis right now. mexico has elections, chile has gone left right from one time to another. that is not the issue. the issue is one -- democracies do not generally start conflicts with other democracies, because they are people and they will not tolerate it. you do not have to answer to anybody. >> dana: this is not the best time to be revising the mission statement, we will wait to hear from the secretary. one last question, talking to karl rove about tax reform, and i asked him if he was an optimist or a pessimist, and he said optimist, and i know you have a great interest when it comes to working with a funk of trump on the tax credit, where are you? >> i am, unlike health care, i think there is a strong
consensus in the party for progrowth strategies. we have to do it. the economic growth we are seeing now is because of the expectation of tax reform is already built into the growth that they are anticipating, and if it doesn't happen, we could see the reverse effect quickly. we have to get it done. i do believe that we need to be the profamily party, the most important institution in society as a family. the most important job any of us have is to be a parent. it simply because more money than it as i recall tillerson to raise children now in the 21st century. our tax code should account for that. that's why i met with ivanka on and again today. >> dana: the children any more attention. thank you, senator. we appreciate your time. next we go back to the white house, sue some new comments may say that the u.s. will make its move on kim jong-un. and twitter is a best way to cut through the noise, is he ignoring a better way to get out his message?
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unacceptable threat to us. we have to respond. >> dana: secretary of state rex tillerson suggesting that the u.s. is on the brink of making its move against an increasingly aggressive and antagonistic north korea. his comments putting the world on notice with some speculating that the u.s. may take preemptive action against a rogue nation. fox news chief is back with some news from the white house tonight. >> you are right, very significant for the last two days sarah huckabee sanders at that white house podium has not ruled out the possibility of a so-called first strike that the u.s. could launch an attack against north korea to try and he did to her its nuclear weapons program. this coming because the stakes could not be any higher right now. after the testing of an intercontinental ballistic missile by north korea, warning us that they may be able to reach any big city in the united states with any of their missiles in the days ahead. north korea may now have the
range to attack major u.s. cities ranging from l.a., even new york and boston, and that is getting very little attention right now compared to the health care failure, white house staff moves, russian interference. jerry's high printer perfectly today in "the wall street journal" when he wrote that north korea may soon launch another underground test of a nuclear device, a problem a lot more important than who is up and who is down in the white house this week. president trump has been direct in recent weeks about saying that china has not done nearly enough to help deter the threats. and rex tillerson made clear that this is an urgent situation, but the administration is still optimistic that a diplomatic solution can be reached. >> we do believe that china has ace special and unique relationship because of that a significant economic activity to influence the north korean regime in ways that no one else can. that's why we continue to call upon them to use that influence
with north korea to create the conditions where we can have a predictable productive dialogue. >> the possibility of war is alive. republicans are declaring that the only option for president trump is to destroy not just north korea's nuclear program, but to destroy the nation of north korea itself. pressed on that again at the podium, sarah huckabee sanders said all options are on the table. she stressed as we have heard before, the president is not going to telegraph what he plans to do in the days ahead. >> dana: while the president said today that twitter is the best method for getting his message out. "wall street journal" editorial said today that there is an even more powerful tool, the oval office address. if some suggesting that we could see one sooner than later. joining me to discuss is bill mcgurn, the former speechwriter for president george w. bush. he and howard kurtz, so bill,
you argue that one of the best tools that the president can use is the power of the oval office address, because of what it will mean and what it shows. do you think you should do that on tax reform? >> yes, i think you should have done it on health care reform. may be a different outcome. i'm not saying that twitter is not useful. it is one of the tools of the presidency as we talked before when a president gives the state of the union, for example in congress, think of it. the opposition, which ever party, always looking so diminished because the stage is not nearly as grand as speaking to both houses of congress. it is a chance for the president to speak directly to the american people and take them into the oval office. he is usually behind the desk as you know and make his case. it is one of the greatest tools. like gems, it has to have a rarity to have value, but it was surprising that it went on used, tremendous bully pulpit. >> dana: it has been six months, how we, and we have not
seen anything major oval office address, do you think that there is some reluctance to do it? >> i've been puzzled by the president's avoidance of the major tv speech, the missing element of the health care pride. if there is a whole process that you have to ask for tv time, partly a problem where his spokesman's briefings are carried live, and the media build up, the most important's breach, then comes a speech, and debating the speech for a couple of days. it is moving public opinion. i'm surprised that the tool, the president has not chosen to use. >> dana: the other reason, bill, that you argue is that it lets congress know what the president wants and what his policies will be, what his priorities would be, and in this case with tax reform, especially if you have some democratic senators in red states, they might feel the pressure from the constituents. >> they all might, maybe even republicans from some states might have felt the pressure.
it is a chance, the president is the only one then can speak to the nation like this and give his priorities. the example is how you use reagan in '81 on tax cuts. people were skeptical about it. july 27, 1981 he went into the oval office and gave his address, and then he asked them, call your congressman and senators and let them know. tip o'neill said it was the greatest bullets you have ever seen. that was missing, so i don't want to say that twitter is useless, but this is a powerful, i mean, reagan was an actor, he recognized that the stage is important. >> dana: that is interesting, because when you think about the president and looking at television and how things flow, the power of the oval office address, they can make it last two weeks. >> yes, but the president prefers to sort of riff at these rallies, the freewheeling speeches. >> dana: i will tell you that we work for a president who did not like to sit down behind the
desk and read from a teleprompter, because you feel, even though you're speaking to the world, you feel all alone. it feels like you're talking into a box. you cannot see anybody and get a feel for it. >> i think beyond that, dana, donald trump views that the traditional speech is kind of too slow, too did additional coming to 20th century, and in fact, it is a tool that influences the elites. who cares about their opinion, but that can infect public opinion. are they going cable segments. and so, a lot of tools available. this is one he has not chosen to use. >> dana: my piece of advice has been that i think the president should surprise everybody and walk in and do a big press conference and just change all the news. >> you will get the credit if he does it in the next couple of days. >> dana: we have to go. thank you so much. we will be right back. ♪ (woman) when you have type 2 diabetes,
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>> dana: thank you for being a part of the "the story." tucker is out the next. he will have heard two, and stay tuned to see me and again on "the five." have a great day. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the united states may be losing a star from its flag for the first time ever. that is what activists in california want. ever since the election of president trump, the cal exit, the exception of california to become an independent country has been gaining steam while the rest of us have been talking about russia. this will no supporters for that plan believe that they are close to breaking way. they are pushing for a 2018 ballot referendum that would declare california no longer a part of the united states. and allow the governor to negotiate