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the city. martha has you covered from here. the story hosted by martha maccallum up in new york starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> martha: good evening, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. and tonight the story begins here in new york city at the united nations. we expect the president and other members to assemble momentarily for one of those photo opportunities. we are watching for that moment. earlier today president trump gave what some are calling the strongest speech of his presidency so far. by any measure it was bold and, perhaps, the most consequential and provocative speech ever given there by a u.s. president. >> in america, the people govern. the people rule and the people are sovereign. i was elected not to take power but to give power to the american people where it belongs. and to preserve their rights
and to defend their values. as president of the united states, i will always put america first, just like you, as the leaders of your countries will always and should always put your countries first. we have a policy of principled realism rooted in shared goals, interests and values. that realism forces us to confront a question facing every leader and nation in this room. it is a question we cannot escape or avoid. we will slide down the path of complacency, numb to the challenges, threats, and even wars that we face. or do we have enough strength and pride to confront those dangers today so that our citizens can enjoy peace and prosperity
tomorrow? >> martha: later in this speech he took aim at north korea and then iran and venezuela. >> it is responsible for the starvation deaths of millions of north koreans and for the imprisonment, torture, killing and oppression of countless more. we were all witness to the regime's deadly abuse when an innocent american college student otto warmbier was returned to america only to die a few days later. we saw it in the assassination of the dictator's brother using banned nerve agents in an international airport. we know it kidnapped a sweet, 13-year-old japanese girl from a beach in her own country to enslave her as a language tutor for north
korea's spies. the united states has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. the iranian government masks a corrupt dictatorship behind the false guise of a democracy. we cannot let a murderous regime continue these destabilizing activities while building dangerous missiles and we cannot abide by an agreement if it provides cover for the eventual construction of a nuclear program. we call for the full restoration of democracy and
political freedoms in venezuela. the problem in venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been faithfully implemented. if the righteous many do not confront the wicked few, then evil will triumph. when decent people and nations become bystanders to history, the forces of destruction only gather power and strength. >> martha: all right. so if you missed it today, that's a pretty good summary of where president trump went with this speech. mark thiessen an american enterprise scholar a fox news scrinter and someone who has written two presidential speeches done at the u.n. and larry coshocton. fellow at the progress served as defense secretary under president reagan both here for analysis here tonight. mark, let me start with you. what did you think? >> sure.
i thought it was an outstanding speech. it made me proud to be an american to hear my commander-in-chief speak that way. i mean, look, what he did today he recast america first not as a call for isolation. remember when everybody on the left was worried he was going to be isolationist. he cast it not as a call for isolation but american global leadership based on the principle of state sovereignty that free's nation states, free, prosperous and strong nation states are what is necessary to confront the dangers we face in the world. he is absolutely right. you know, communism and fascism were not defeated by the united nations. the dramatic expansion of freedom, prosperity and opportunity that we have seen in the world since the collapse of communism isn't the result of global institutions. it's the result of the spread of the american idea of free enterprise backed by u.s. military might and by the projection of american power and our allies. and that's what he talked about today. >> martha: larry, the north korean delegates was not in the room to squirm while he enumerated the atrocities
that they have committed including otto warm beer. can i only think that his family must have been heartened to hear their son's name called out in front of the one remaining north korean member of the delegates who sat there with his head down taking notes. what did you think? >> well, i think he was right to do that but then using the term rocket man made it sound like our relations with north korea is a video game. this is very serious business. and i noticed that his press secretary already backed off from the strong language that he said. look, we're going to have to live with north korea just as we learn to live with china under mao when they got nuclear weapons at the time of the cultural revolution. then when he used the term radical islamic terrorism, no, even president bush who marc knows well never used that particular term because that doesn't help. >> wrote those words for bush. >> he never used them. i went back and checked. >> yes, he did. i wrote them. >> he said it's a religion
of peace is what he said and he went toe a mosque. >> martha: both can be true. the muslim religion is a religion of peace. there was outcry after the speech this is terry moran from abc. let's play that. >> words totally destroying a nation of 25 million people, that borders on the threat of committing a war crime. >> is he referring to the part of the speech where the president said that if north korea went too far the country could be destroyed. i just want to point out that bill clinton used essentially the same exact language in his own way. let's play that and then get your response. >> it's pointless for them to try to develop nuclear weapons because if they ever use them, it would be the end of their country. >> martha: larry first and then mark. what do you think? >> well, of course if they use them that would be the end of the country. that's the real challenge, you don't want them to use
them any more than you wanted china to do it when mao was there during the cultural revolution. that's the way the deterrence works. you make it clear as mattis and tillerson have if you use them, it's all over. but what you don't want to do is say something that's going to provoke them to use it by some off handed remark like, you know, rocket man. >> martha: you know, mark, it's a good point. you think about the fact that in the past presidents have been very clear when they speak about iran to say, you know, our enemy is not the iranian people. we are talking about the regime here. so did that go too far today? >> no, it didn't. because what he was trying to do was make clear to the regime in pyongyang that he is willing to make military force to stop them from getting the capability to threaten an american city with a nuclear icbm. one of the reasons we never had a cataclysmic war with the soviet union during the cold war is because the soviet leadership and we know this from the kgb, from
the files from the soviet archives opened up. they believed ronald reagan was willing to launch a nuclear first strike. it was through peace through strength knowledge of that we never got to a war. right now the regime in pyongyang seems to be convinced that they can do whatever they want and there will be no military consequences. donald trump made clear today that if they do not back off their pursuit of nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them to the united states, then he will destroy their regime. and the united states is capable of doing that and willing to do that and it's only through their -- if they get that through their thick head then will we ever have a chance to have this solved peacefully. >> martha: gentlemen, thank you very much. >> you are not going to strike them first. okay. they are talking about the rhetoric. the idea -- and we never did. crews che khrushchev said bury you. it wasn't just reagan. >> ronald reagan said we will bomb you in five minutes. >> martha: good to see you both tonight. lots to talk about.
hurricane maria leaving widespread devastation in its wake. it's plowing toward puerto rico. here we go again. unbelievable the devastation that has been wreaked all through that island chain. national weather service warning it is strength, maximum winds of 175 miles per hour. we will take to you san swan for update on that in a moment. some 2,000 miles away a different type of natural disaster tonight. central mexico rocked by devastating earthquake over 100 people dead. these numbers continue to rise by the minute tonight. shocking images coming. in we will get you updated on the mexico city situation. very sad tonight. also, remember this tweet in which president trump claimed that president obama wiretapped trump tower. it was laughed at by critics. but there is a new report that points in the direction of, perhaps, the president being right on this. so we will break it down for you. we will tell you what we know so far. howie kurtz on whether the media may have been too
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president trump made a similar claim back in march terrible. just found out that obama had my wires tapped in trump tower just before the victory. nothing found. this is mccarthyism, he wrote. cnn was quick to pounce. disregarding the tweet as, quote: trump's baseless wiretap claim. even the director of national intelligence under president obama categorically dismissed the claim. watch. >> there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president elect at the time or as a candidate or against his campaign. >> i was just going to say if the fbi, for instance, had a fisa court order of some sort for surveillance, would that be information you would know or not know. >> yes. >> if there was a fight can a souter order. >> yes, absolutely. >> at this point you can't confirm or deny whether it exists? >> i can deny it. >> martha: wow. so now cnn says that's not true when w. this screaming headline exclusive u.s. government wiretapped former trump campaign chairman
noting in the article that manafort was bugged at the time when he was known to be speaking with president trump. here with more howie kurtz, fox news media analyst it is so stunning. so many parts of this was stunning. when the president came out with that tweet he was lambasted for probably 10 days i would say howy. >> absolutely. >> martha: now, is it proven true or not. >> pundits on the right saying huh-uh and some on the left oh no he isn't. the plain truth we don't know yet. we don't know whether candidate trump's voice was picked up on man 40 wiretaps and we have the trump justice department saying two weeks ago no evidence to support original trump claim about barack obama. >> martha: so now you have got a situation where according to these reports there were two fisa courts approved wiretapped on paul manafort before and after the election, right? now, james clapper clearly said that there was no wiretap on president trump
or on his campaign, which would clearly include paul manafort, who was the manager of his campaign. >> james clapper has some explaining to do because he was unequivocal as we saw in that clip with chuck todd. not only did he not know about it he would have known about it he knows about all the fisa stuff. the first tapping was in 2014 well before the campaign. second one after manafort was ousted as campaign chairman. it doesn't include these kind of surveillance unless there is reasonable suspicion that somebody was acting illegally as a foreign agent. so it could be that this was related to the investigation of collusion with russia in which case briewmp have been partially vindicate since he would have been picked one that or nothing to do that because manafort under investigation for money laundering, tax, perhaps not registering properly as a lobbyist or something else. there is more here to be seen. by the way, martha, this is outrageous it was leaked. we know robert mueller tried put pressure on manafort.
criminal investigation is illegal to leak this stuff. >> martha: he was told he would be indicted and james clapper as you point out has some questions to answer as well. this is not the first time that he has made a statement that turned out to not be the case. so we need to know whether or not -- >> the media may be as embarrassed as clapper if it turns out trump was directly targeted. that's not clear yet. probably the smart thing to do is not to rush to judgment. >> martha: we don't know yet whether the president was right about wiretaps at trump tower but we do know it's an open question at least at this point based on these reports. >> indeed. >> martha: good to see you. i spoke with james lankford, a member of the senate intelligence committee and i asked him about all of this. >> this is the obvious reason why we need oversight over all of our intelligence operations to be able to evaluate what's being done, how it's being done, what authorities are being used and what can we learn from that? we have a lot of questions as well. any kind of wiretap that's used. especially on an american citizen and we'll ask those
questions and we will get answers to those questions as we go through the next several months. >> martha: does it strike you as odd that there could be fisa courts approving wiretaps of paul manafort that james clapper, the director of national intelligence had no awareness of? >> yeah, i'm trying to identify where that authority would come from. obviously with an american citizen that's a very different animal to be able to go through a wiretap especially in intelligence operation. that's not allowed without a clear fisa court for jim clap tore step in and say he was not aware of it and could absolutely say no he had never seen that wasn't approved didn't happen. we still have a lot of questions and we will get answers. >> martha: a lot of people want to know what the basis for the fisa warrants was. what evidence was based on that they were going to do those taps. >> there is a very high standard as you know for fisa courts. that's not something that's done flippantly. that's a very strong group of judges. fisa court involved there is a very high standard. we are trying to figure out was the fisa court at all involved in that. >> martha: all right, senator.
i want to turn your attention now to michael cohen, an attorney for president trump who was involved during the campaign. he was supposed to speak to y'all on your committee today. what happened? >> well, he was supposed to speak to our committee privately. we have a lot of the interviews that we do behind closed doors to be able to ask hard questions that we go through the process. but we ask those witnesses not to be able to put out a big statement before or after. obviously we as the intelligence committee are not going to put out a counter statement so it's best that they don't put out a statement that then we get questions about to say did get said or what else got said because you're going through the investigation trying to handle it in a professional way. mr. cohen wasn't honoring that so we pushed to have that committee not meet today and then later made a request to say if he is going to make a statement publicly, then let's go ahead and make public statements we will go ahead and toot hearing in public. evidence since agreed to do a public hearing on that and we'll walk through those exact same questions with him. >> martha: he was supposed to have this closed session with y'all, answer questions. he put out a four page
statement saying that he had no interactions with the russian government, ostensibly that's what he said in the statement i should say. >> right. >> martha: he and his lawyers were going back and forth in the room sort of discussing what they were -- you know, what their side of it was going to be presenting this. did that frustrate all of you? >> no. it's entirely reasonable for them to be able to talk about how they are going to handle it and what they are going to do. also entirely reasonable for us to get as many questions answered as we can the way the committee is working bipartisan way. bipartisan staff. we have bipartisan cooperation that we are trying to get through and get through the facts. no one should be afraid of all the facts coming out. when the facts come out we can get a chance to get this resolved and american people can move on from this. it's a distraction until we get it resolved. we are trying to handle it as professional as we can to be able to walk through the process because at the end of it we will put out a full report and get all the information out and all the questions asked and what we have back. >> martha: what's your interest in michael cohen specifically? >> well, we have all kinds of interests. i don't want to go into all
the details of that what we are going to ask him. many of the things you will see now because it will be a public hearing now and we will ask him those questions we were going to ask him in private we will ask in public and walk through it then. >> martha: is he unhappy about the fact this is a public hearing. >> no. he has agreed to it obviously, we had approached them early on from the committee and asked him not to put out anything publicly. he chose to do that. we those to say let's put it all out publicly. >> martha: big change in events as all the are. senator lankford, thank you very much. always good to see you sir. >> always good to see you as well. thanks. >> martha: there is yet another hurricane on the march tonight. it's a cat 5. we are live in san juan where impact is just hours away. plus, a former trump campaign advisor has had enough of the russian investigation. >> i don't think they are really looking that much to believe me. i think they are looking for reasons to extend this as long as they can. >> martha: michael caputo is here next to tell us how the
collateral damage from the russia probe is hurting his family's future. and torched police cars after police shot and killed an armed georgia tech student. could all of this have been prevented? mark fuhrman breaks down that video straight ahead. >> come on, drop the knife. >> come on, drop it. >> drop it. >> shoot me. >> no. drop the knife.
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♪ >> martha: yet another hurricane is threatening the united states as well as many caribbean islands. preparations underway now in puerto rico. hurricane maria is on the way. it is massive and dangerous. look at this. it is just the latest after irma and harvey and all of the rest in between. it's now headed after leaving a devastating trail of destruction in the island of domenica, which is said to be nearly destroyed. the national weather service is warning this is potentially catastrophic still and strength. joining me on the phone from san juan bret ascare meteorologist for weather nation tv. he has been tracking the storms over the past 15 years and certainly over the last three weeks. tell me what you are seeing there tonight in puerto rico. >> well, here in san juan most areas have closed up.
everyone is really prepared for the storm. we rod rode around the islands today. what's devastating you still have areas without power and trees down and power poles down from irma. this is going to be a devastating blow to puerto rico as a whole. >> martha: what was the reaction of people on the ground there. we should point out we had hoped to have a picture of you as well. things are getting very dicey there technically, of course, given this storm. how are the people weathering all of this? >> well, i mean, have you some people here that are actually tourists that are stuck. they had flights out of here and there. they are stranded well not stranded. they are staying at hotels and they have emergency planplans in place. the residents here they have been working fast and furious boarding up, getting food, getting splice. so, you know, the preparations that can be done has been done. the streets are fairly empty tonight. so everybody is really starting to batten down those hatches because it's
really going to get wild here really 2:00 to 3:00 a.m. >> martha: that's the prediction. we are looking at the track on the left-hand side of the screen. what is your best take on where this is going and potential turns that it could take and places that need to be warned. >> well, the unfortunate circumstances there is a high in the atlantic ocean that is kind of steering this. and i don't see how puerto rico could not get a blunt direct hit pretty much all of the islands are going to face major impact potentially infrastructure damage and now the pressure that was measured is below 9 or 10 mill bars. we are actually stronger pressurewise than hurricane irma ever was. that's quite a concern. >> martha: we are staying on top of this breaking news story tonight throughout the evening. hurricane maria as it sets its sights on san juan and puerto rico. brett thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i never heard of anyone in the trump campaign talking with russians. but i never was asked
questions about my time in russia. i never even spoke to anybody about russia. i never heard the word russia. and we did not use russian dressing. there was absolutely no discussion of russia on the trump campaign to the day i left. >> martha: that was former trump campaign advisor michael caputo back in july after facing questions from the house intel committee in the russia probe. and as the investigation continues, this former aide is speaking out about the collateral damage for him and for some people who are having to defend themselves with legal fees, security bills. high costs taking a toll even leaving him to liquidate child's college fund. here now michael caputo senior advisor to the trump campaign. good to see you tonight. welcome. this has been obviously very tough on you and your family. >> it is. but it's just not on my family and my kids and myself. it's also right now it's
widening where, you know, government employees, people making those kind of low white house salaries are being called in front of very serious investigators. they have all got to lawyer up, too. it's not your family, you know, general practitioner or your divorce attorney. this is very specialized legal advice that you need to get. these are people specialists in a very finite section of the law. that competency comes at a very high price. there are people now just, you know, coming into to these investigations from the government who will never be able to afford it. >> martha: what do you say to those who hear you say that you know, if these low level staffers have nothing to worry about, then why do they need some high powered legal defense? if they never were involved in anything? >> well, that -- you know, i think you would think in theory that would be true. it isn't just the person, the people that are being targeted by the investigation. it's the witnesses and the subject of the investigation who happen to be nearby or in the same office.
you know, working near the people who are being targeted. and we have to sit down and tell our perspective. and provide the information that we have. and if someone in that position, the position i'm in and others coming from the white house now, if they make a mistake, they don't recall something correctly from 16, 18 months ago, they could be in a problem with fbi or with the house or the senate. and to avoid that you're best to invest in good legal representation. if you don't, you're just not very smart. >> martha: i mean, special prosecutor process that could go on and on and on. you said something stunning. you said this can never happen again. they are going to destroy donald trump, his business, his friends, and people like me. so you believe this will end with them destroying president trump? >> well, i'm not quite certain they are going to beat president trump and the people around president trump. but i believe that is their purpose. i think the establishment that's been entrenched in washington for so very, very long on both sides of the aisle, they can't have
enough brotheanotherdonald trumr billionaire, they have to punish donald trump, his family. >> destroy his businesses, his friends where i guess i fit in and others and just to make sure that this never happens again. you don't have to look any further than today's speech at the united nations to know that we have a very different president. the kind of president that i have worked so hard to elect. i'm so very proud of what he did today. these kinds of things make the establishment very, very nervous and they can't have it happen again. >> martha: michael caputo thanks very much. good to talk to you tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: still breaking this evening a massive earthquake striking central mexico killing at least 100 people. toppling buildings and we are getting some shocking images that are now coming in minute by minute from mexico. this is an awful disaster and we will show you what is unfolded in the recent hours this evening. also, a vigil tonight for a student shot and killed by police at georgia tech turns
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minutes later male and fee mail campus officers encountered scott schultz outside the dorms. he was bare foot, disoriented and we now know that scout schultz is the one who made the 911 call on himself. here is the first part of the video. >> come on, drop the knife. >> let's drop it. >> drop it. >> shoot me! >> no. drop the knife. >> drop the knife. >> drop the knife! >> you could see him walking toward the police officer. in that 15 seconds, police demanded he drop the knife nine times. in the next part of the video, at least four campus police officers have now surrounded the suspect and a male officer can be heard trying to engage the 21-year-old. a graphic warning, this is disturbing video. watch.
>> he died moments later. police contend protocol was. he was in the midst of a mental break down never once raised his arms. his knife was folded inside a multipurpose tool. the officer had pulled the trigger on the job one year with no crisis intervention training. here's the parents. >> i took him back to school on august 19th and that's the last time i saw scout. >> why did you have to
shoot? that's the question. why did you kill my son? >> we should note georgia tech police officers do not carry stun guns and three suicide notes were found inside scout schultz dorm room. his parents say scout also tried to hang himself last year. martha. >> martha: terrible, trace, thank you very much. here now to break down this video and answer the question whether the police could have used non-deadly force mark fuhrman lapd detective and fox news contributor. good evening to you. obviously this is a heart breaking, awful story. i can also tell that you we now have the text of the 911 call that it's believed scout schultz called the police himself and said hey, i'm over at west village. looks like somebody is skulking around. knife had his hand looks like a gun on his hip. looks like he may be drunk or something. this is classic case of suicide by cop, at least it appears that was this young's man intention, mark.
>> absolutely, martha. that being said, when the suspect actually sets the stage for the entire incident, and his intent is death, there is probably almost nothing that the officers could have done short of lethal force or, possibly use of a stun gun, which might have been effective or might not. the officers are trained tactically that when a man has a gun or a knife, let's just say a knife in close proximity, 21 feet or less, that they can close that distance in about the time an officer can unholster his weapon and shoot. so they are very aware that a suspect can take their life even though that they could make contact and actually take out the suspect. >> martha: you just heard from his father that they claim that it was, you know, it sounds like a closed knife, like a swiss army knife or some other kind of knife that was closed according to this report. you know, why not shoot him
in the ankle, shoot him in the shoulder? i mean, isn't that what police officers are trained to do to take somebody down in a nonlethal way in this sort of situation where clearly it's a disturbed young man? >> no. they never are trained that way, martha. i mean, in the heat of a situation, to expect that the average officer would have that kind of level of marks manship is probably almost silly. you aim for the center mass to stop the individual and to stop the advance and to stop the attack or the aggressive nature of what the person is involved in. you brought up something that was interesting. it was a closed utility tool or a leather man. now, if i saw that in somebody's hand, i wouldn't think knife. i would see a gun. that's exactly the way the call came out, a knife or a gun. so, the officer, we have to only understand what he knew and when he knew it. when he couples that call
with the conduct of the individual, what's in his hand, if he sees that and that suspect is advancing, his only tool at that point is deadly forest. hforce. he shot one controlled round center mass and he stopped the suspect. that's exactly what he is trained to do. >> martha: my first thought too is a taser. they apparently don't use them. what is a taser for if not to respond in this sort of situation? you know, clearly this is a young man who is very disturbed. and they were -- it sounds like they were doing all the right things. they were trying to get him to talk. what's your name, what's your name? what's going on here tonight? all of that feels like it's unfolding the way you would expect it to. why wouldn't they have tasers in this situation? >> well, i can't speak to why that police department doesn't have tasers. tasers are not always effective. i have seen people tased where they just pull the darts out and keep the advance and the fight going.
he is mentally ill. i go back to what everybody knew about him. it seems like those people quite possibly should have got him more help before this night when he tried to take his own life and left three suicide notes. but getting back to the police and tactics, you know, because they don't have a stun gun, because the department or the college didn't provide them is not their problem. they have to deal with the tools that they have and the tools that they had, they had to use exactly as they did and that officer was 100 percent proper in his conduct, his control of fire, his actions. >> martha: i imagine an investigation is going to unfold and then we will see if that does turn out to be the case here. >> it will. >> martha: thank you for your analysis, mark fuhrman, always good to have you with us. thanks. thank you. >> martha: pretty tough situation. awful, in fact is unfolding in mexico city. the more we learn about this, the more devastating it looks to be.
rescue crews are trying to get people out of some of these crumbled buildings as we speak. we are going to bring you update from mexico city straight ahead. plus, we have witnessed countless scenes of conservatives coming under attack on college campuses. but just yesterday democratic leader nancy pelosi found herself at the center of a very difficult situation and at the center of people's outrage. new polls tonight suggest that this may be part of the growing way of discourse in this country. that's problematic. jason chaffetz and richard fowler join me next. ♪ ♪ parodontax, the toothpaste that helps prevent bleeding gums. if you spit blood when you brush or floss you may have gum problems and could be on the journey to much worse. help stop the journey of gum disease. try parodontax toothpaste. ♪
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>> martha: tonight, rescue workers are combing through the rubble following a devastating earthquake in mexico, central mexico about 70 miles away from mexico city. in fact, reports say that over 100 people have been killed. those numbers are very early, sadly in this situation. buildings are literally been reduced to rubble in some cases. the magnitude 7.1 tremor hit in the early afternoon. a lot of people at work, moving about in the city. people ran for their lives. mexico city's international airport suspended operations to check for damage there. today's earthquake comes just two weeks after another
earthquake killed the 0 people and it also comes on the anniversary of the 1985 mexico city earthquake that killed thousands. more updates throughout the night here on fox news. >> yes, i am. yes, i am. yes, i am. you do not. [shouting] you are a liar. you are a liar. >> you don't know what you are talking about. >> martha: that was uncomfortable. that was house minority leader nancy pelosi. she was shouted down by illegal immigrants in her hometown of san francisco. videos like this are rare from the left really. but a norm for many conservative situations that we have seen recently. a new brookings institution poll finds that a majority of college age democrats think that behavior is acceptable. 62% of democrats say they believe it's okay to shout down a speaker if they don't like that speaker. 39% of republicans agree with that idea. but even more frightening,
perhaps, is this one. this poll says nearly one in five college students think that violence is acceptable to stop speech that you find offensive. jason chaffetz is former republican congressman. richard fowler nationally syndicated talk show host. both are fox news contributors. richard, let me start with you. do you think this is a troubling poll? >> it is definitely an interesting poll. troubling, i would also argue, too. the reason why it's interesting is that i think that millennials and i think these are the younger terms millennials, i'm at the latter end of that tier. they have grown up in the most diverse society ever. they have grown up in a society seen by racial, transgender, they have seen gay, they have seen lesbian. they think the world is that right? they think any speech that is not that type of exclusion should be excluded. i don't agree with that at all. i think that's where they are. and i think what we have got to do as a country is figure out how we become more inclusive so we don't have this type of violence and
shouting down speakers. i mean, for me it doesn't matter. i'm a gay black guy and i get hurled insults all the time. i don't care about it i mean, i think this is a very, very you, very interesting, interesting poll. >> martha: huge difference though between someone who is upset about, you know, conservative political thought and somebody who is offensive on the grounds that you just pointed out. >> that's what i'm saying it goes both way that water there in that sideline very, very, very thin. if you look on my twitter account. i disagree with richard i will call him a racial slur or homophobic slur. that's unacceptable but i'm in this industry and i should expect that kind of behavior from people on twitter. but the point i'm trying to make here is that i think our society, because of, you can say it's because of the partisanship that we have. you can say it's because of, you know, the fact that, you know, there is so much black and white and not enough shades of gray that that's
where we are. but i think what we are seeing from this poll is that millennials are saying we are -- >> martha: it's okay to be violent. >> no i think there is a silver lining here is inclusion is the way to go. >> martha: i don't know. jason, what do you think? >> well, i don't think we are just one good group hug away from solving this problem. i do find it ironic that those that preach the most tolerance are oftentimes those who are the least tolerant of anybody. and we grow up in a society in the united states of america where we're supposed to vigorously debate. it's okay to disagree. you just don't want to be so disagreeable that you turn that into violence. i find it wholly unacceptable. i find it a tactic of the left. when barack obama said hey, we're going to be -- we're not the red states or the white states or the blue states we're the united states. that didn't turn out to be true. when michelle obama says when we go low, we are going to go high. i haven't seen anybody on the left doing that i really haven't. >> let me push back on that
a little bit, martha. i don't think this is a left or right issue. i gave an example at the beginning of the segment when i leave this booth i have a lot of hate slur thrown at me. that's not coming from the left that's coming from the right. >> look what the resistance group is doing. march harr no not accepting of that we are talking about people like charles murray who show up to talk about political thought. i know have you problems with charles murray we ought to be able to have a legitimate conversation about it without violence. civility. >> let's be very clear. i agree with you. i think the first amendment agrees with all of those individuals speak. the pointed i'm trying to make millennials on college campuses grew up in a society where one would say everybody got a trophy but inclusion is the way to go. if you were outlines of their inclusion bubble, they want to reject that i think that's what we have got to work on changing. >> martha: i have got to go. i'm getting counted out. thanks, guys. good to see you. see you next time. we'll bee back with more. once-p you control your blood sugar.
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