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throughout the afternoon. fox news sunday. chris: i'm chris wallace, the federal government partially shuts down as divided congress fails to reach a spending bill. ♪ >> happy anniversary, mr. president, your wish came true, you wanted a shutdown, the trump shutdown is all yours. >> we will not be blackmailed because republicans are unwilling to compromise. >> they believe that the issue of illegal immigration is more important than everything else. >> schumer shutdown. nice little ring to it, doesn't it? >> partisan finger pointing and uncertainty after a standoff in the senate over immigration. we will discuss the fallout for americans and who will get the blame with white house budget director mick mulvaney and
democratic senator chris, part of bipartisan group trying to work out a compromise. ♪ ♪ chris: plus, we will ask sunday panel about the trump presidency, one year after his inauguration. and our power player of the week, story behind first combat teams on the ground after september 11th attacks. chris: how soon after 9/11 did you know you were going to war? >> the minute the second airplane hit the second tower. chris: all right now on fox news sunday. and hello again from fox news in washington. congress is still here this weekend still trying to reach a deal to reopen the government after the clock ran out on funding that night friday, the shutdown coinciding with the one-year anniversary of the trump presidency. the president canceled a trip to florida to stay in washington
until they reach a compromise. this hour we will discuss the way forward with white house budget chief mick mulvaney and democratic senator chris coones, part of small group trying to make a deal. first let's bring in mike emmanuel live on capitol hill with the latest, mike. >> chris, novicable signs of progress in ending government shutdown, in fact, things have gotten personal with the senate majority leader blasting his counterpart chuck schumer. >> the president would not give him everything he wants on the issue of illegal immigration in one afternoon in the oval office. >> republicans were quick to brand it the schumer shutdown after democrats blocked extension friday night. it would have provided a six-year extension of health insurance to estimated 9 million children. democrats held out for a deal on the so-called dreamers, young people brought to the country illegally by their parents and now sound like they are adding to their demands. >> at this point we feel very,
very strongly about the issues, not just dreamers, but opioids, pensions, not funding the military on a cr basis and we feel the american people are on our side. >> this shutdown -- chris: house lawmaker sat and it was rejected by senate democrats. that led to dust up on house floor taking aim at schumer. >> the majority in the house and the majority in the senate have vote today prevent the shutdown and keep the government open. >> bring the poster to the chair for his observation. >> soon the shutdown will get real if by monday morning there is no deal and much of the federal workforce is on furlow, chris. chris: not good if they are arguing over posters, mike emmanuel reporting in capitol hill, thank you. joining me white house budget
chief mick mulvaney, the man in charge of implementing the white
house director, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> good morning, thank you again for having. chris: describe the extent of the shutdown both in terms of personnel and programs? >> sure. as of yesterday federal agencies started sending out furlough notices, three categories of categories, those who will come to work on monday, those who will not come to work on monday and smaller group who will come to work on monday for four hours to help shut things down and they will leave as well. those notices wept out yesterday and over the course in the next couple of days, we will start to see agencies trying to implement their shutdown plans which is going to be different, chris, than it was in 2013 as we try to keep more agencies open. i talked to the president, we need to work hard to keep many folks at work and agencies from closing. chris: where would we see the affects, where would we see the biggest affects? >> the affects actually won't be
as visible as they weren't in 2013. keep in mind, 2013, the only way i can describe it the obama administration chose to weponized, they went out of their way to make it hurt more people and to be more visible, you remember maybe the barricades up in front of the world war ii memorial to keep the vet asway from memorial. you won't see that this year. chris: if you're talking about furloughing 800,000 people? >> the point of the matter you will see dramatic difference, most americans won't see a difference. you go to airport on monday, tsa will still be there. they're not getting paid and that's wrong but in terms of what you will see, it will not be as dramatic as you saw in 2013. chris: let's talk about how we get out of the mess, new report that is senate republicans will offer a deal, three-week cr, not four-week cr which will last continuing resolution until february 8th with disaster relief funding and also money for chip, to children's health
insurance. is that true, and what about daca? >> i'm not -- a couple different things, i'm not familiar with the specific deal. i know it's on the table right now which is a four-week. i have heard about the three weeks. i know that there's a separate disaster supplemental sitting bill in the senate, i have not heard about the two things getting married together. you may want to ask senator about that. the fact of the matter is we probably need at least three weeks to try to negotiate daca, let's be clear, the president wants to resolve daca. he could have taken it entirely six months ago and chose to give congress six months to fix it, unfortunately congress is waiting up till the last day to do that but we are interested in getting daca worked out. chris: you are calling this, we saw it in the open, the schumer shutdown, but the fact is you only had 46 republicans willing to vote for this congressional -- this continuing resolution, so even if there hadn't been a democratic filibuster, you
didn't have the majority needed to pass the cr, all the more reason isn't this on republicans in the white house and control of the house in the senate? >> interesting word there, majority, they got the majority, this sheds light on -- chris: could be because of democrats. >> you got a majority, you didn't get the 60 points. chris: you don't have your own house in order. only 46 republicans. >> where are the democrats, chris, who say back home that they want to work in bipartisan fashion, they want to work with republicans, reach across the aisle, where were those folks last week, only five democrats voted for a bill that they like. list not lose sight of that. the like the chip program, they like the obamacare cadillac tax program, they like funding the government, they always have, they do not oppose the bill, this is pure politics on their part, where are the democrats who say one thing back home and do another, that's what we are focusing on. chris: you only had 46 republicans. >> if you had 10 or 15
democrats, i think your point is fair, until you have nine democrats, we cannot open the government. chris: well, you don't have 46 republicans either, you don't have 51 republicans either. >> right, again, with short of nine, what difference does it make? without nine democrats this government is not opening. chris: back in 2013 when republicans insisted on shutting down the government because they we wanted to remove all funding of obamacare and they did it for 16 days private citizen prompt, placed the responsibility squarely, here it is. >> problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president is the leader and he has to get everybody in the room and he has to lead. chris: question, if president obama was responsible then, get everybody in the room and lead, isn't president trump responsible now? >> a couple of different things, the shutdown in 2016 was not about getting rid of -- 2013 excuse me, it was about delaying the individual mandate which we
just got rid of on the tax bill. compare 2013 and 2016 and how the two presidents have acted. i went through the middle of 2013, i think i was on your show during the shutdown. i will look you in the eye that president obama wanted to shutdown. he we wanted to weponized, use it politically to hurt republicans because he thought republicans would get blamed and he wanted the shutdown. this president has worked really hard to prevent the shutdown. we had folks down at the white house several times over the last couple days, i think mr. schumer was there as recently the last day before the shutdown. actively engaged -- chris: he didn't have a meeting, bipartisan with congressional leaders yesterday, does he have one on the schedule for today? >> they had one on thursday and not yesterday, we can split hairs -- >> the shutdown happened on friday night. >> we knew it was coming. bipartisan meeting with senators several -- for several times, i think we had several of those meetings leading into the shutdown. this president, i don't think anybody can say that this president wants to shutdown, you
cannot say the same thing about president obama, i think he actually did want it. >> chris: you blame democrats for holding the government hostage now, but back in 2013, you supported holding the government hostage on this question of obamacare, take a look. >> we believe that what we did was right, we did it for the right reasons, we did it for the kids here, they may not recognize it here but it was worth having the fighting. chris: why was it legitimate then to have a fight but not legitimate now to have a fight? >> it's a fair question, they were asking for us to vote more something that we didn't like, principle opposition too. they were asking us to vote to fund obamacare, something that was very difficult for republicans to do and we wouldn't vote for it. let me finish -- chris: i wasn't saying a word. [laughter] >> here we are today, this is a bill that democrats support, they are opposing a bill that they don't oppose in order to make a political point. chris: sir, i think that's a
debating point. the fact is there were budgetary implications to daca, i mean, if you're going to deport 800,000 people that's going to cost money. you shut down the government in 2013, you at large republicans because you didn't like obamacare, you wanted a shut down the government in 2015 because you didn't like planned parenthood, they are willing to shutdown the government because they want a solution to daca, you can say, well, one thing is what's in the bill and one thing that's not in the bill, both you then and them now are willing to shut down the government because they support or oppose a policy. same issue. >> go back and look at 2013 and 2015, we can have a long discussion another day. the house actually voted to open the government. we voted many times on many different packages that would have opened the government. in fact, i remember voting for stuff that i didn't like very much so that the government could open. it was a breakdown in the senate at the time under harry reid that prevented the government from opening.
so i do think there's a major difference now in 2013. importantly, the deal that's on the table right now is the type of deal that would have worked in 2013 and would have worked, in fact, did work in 2013 and 2015. it's a bipartisan measure. the bill that the house passed it's the old-fashion typical bipartisan bill that does keep the government open but for some reason the dysfunctions specifically with senate and democrats is dramatic now it's not working. almost as if they are behold to left wing that they can't give the president even victory on keeping government open. chris: i want to take you back to the big meeting that was held on friday in the white house between president trump and chuck schumer. senate democratic sources tell me this, let's put it up on the screen, schumer raised full funding of a wall, more than $18 billion and a full increase in military $80 billion, white house chief of staff john kelly later called back and said to schumer that it was, quote, too
liberal. is that true? >> can you put the list back up, i can respond in turn? >> we could remember it, go ahead. full funding. >> full funding for the wall, no. what mr. schumer offered authorization and i know that's deep down in the weeds for folks that live in washington, d.c. the difference between authorization is night and day. hasn't been built because the money was never appropriated, never funded. that's the same deal that chuck schumer offered on saturday. chris: let's focus on that because i think that's important. yesterday you went after schumer hard on this issue. take a look. >> chuck schumer actually had the gull to look at the president and said i'm giving you everything you ask for the wall and then when pressed admitted that he wasn't doing it. that's the type of negotiation that mr. schumer has been engaged with the president. you have to ask yourself at one point, does it even become profitable to continue to work with somebody like that.
chris: now this gets complicated, you raised a new issue here, schumer staff said in response to that that you're not telling the truth. they say -- they say that he offered not one year's funding which was what was suggested yesterday but full funding, 18 to $20 billion in year one that they were going -- they were going to put that on the table. not offer, i should say that they were willing to discuss that and that you guys walked away from that. i mean, if you got full funding for the wall, that would be the deal of the century, why not take yes for an answer? >> it would be the deal of the century because that was not the offer. the offer again, i don't want to split hairs -- chris: i understand, authorization and appropriation. >> ask mr. schumer's office if they offered to appropriate $20 billion. go to next thing on the list about full funding for defense. not true. he was offering something that was in the budget request from fy18, i know because i happened to write that budget.
the request is right now and the discussion is about the ndaa levels which is slightly higher and that mr. schumer not only voted for but is taking credit for back home for fully funding the military. he won't give the president the higher figure. lower figure -- chris: i don't play a role as negotiator here but let me do it just for a moment. >> sure. if senator schumer comes back i'm not talking about authorization, i'm talking about appropriation, 18 to $20 billion right now, you can build your wall and there are more democrats saying that including congressman gutiérrez, would the president accept that and make a deal? >> i'm not going to negotiate with you either, let's go back to what the request was at the beginning, we are happy to talk about daca, want to resolve daca, what is part of daca deal look like from the administration's perspective. number one the southern border defense, the southern border security gets fully funded, that means the wall, that means the $20 billion, we also deal with chain migration, we deal with a visa lottery system and we deal -- chris: you seem to be suggesting that even if you got
the 20 billion that wouldn't be enough? >> again, those are the four things, four principles we asked for in discussion. mr. schumer comes in and offers none of that that's not basis for agreement. chris: final question in that guard, if you got the $20 billion would you make the deal? >> again, i'm not going to negotiate on behalf of the president, that would certainly cover one of the four things we've asked for. chris: final question, this is nfl championship, over under, how long is this going to last? >> a couple of different things, two different answers, i think there's a chance to get solved before monday, i really do believe that heart here there was interest by some folks in democratic president to deny the president victory of inauguration, chance to talk about the success, tax bill, success for the economy and jobs, and i think if they get over that, there's a chance this thing gets done before 9:00 o'clock monday morning. chris: if it does not? >> if it goes several days because other democrats want to see the president give the state of the union during shutdown.
chris: that's more than several days. it could go that long? >> you have to ask senate democrats. >> that's perfect segue for next segment.
we will follow the negotiations. >> thank you for having me. chris: thank you. up next democrat senator chris on what it will take to break the stalemate in congress and the shutdown. rowe price we've helped our investors stay confident for over 80 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.
joining us now democratic senator chris coons, bipartisan group trying to find way out of shutdown. senator, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thanks, chris, good morning. chris: put it up on the screen. great to see how hard republicans are fighting for our military and safety at the border. the dems just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked. if stalemate continues, republicans should go to 51%, "nuclear option" and vote on real long-term budget, no cr's continuing resolutions, your reaction to that. >> well, chris, this is another example of president trump's throwing a tweet in the middle of bipartisan negotiations that are making progress. i think senator mcconnell, the republican majority leader, in the end will have much more to say about how the senate is run than the president should. i think in the last segment you ran a clip from then private sector leader donald trump in 2013 who said during a shutdown, the presidents should lead, it's the president's responsibility,
he should hold together the four leaders in the house and senate on bipartisan basis today and negotiate. i spent all day yesterday not going to the floor, not going on cable news, not denouncing republicans but meeting with them, listening to them, with a small group that grew and grew and by tend of the day we had 20 republican and democratic senators listening to each other trying to not just get out of the shutdown but address and fix some of the underlying problems that have left us with so many unaddressed priorities that have stacked up over the last couple of months. i'm hopeful -- chris: let's talk about meetings because they had a meeting, the president and chuck schumer on friday and ended up maybe making things worse not better. i want to ask you about a point that i pressed with director mulvaney. did schumer put on the table $20 billion full funding for the wall in year one, not over installments and if so, to mulvaney's point, was it an authorization or was it real
money in appropriation? >> i wasn't in the meeting and i don't know exactly but from talking to leader schumer my impression is reluctantly he offered the two things that the president really wanted, full funding of the military and full funding to build the wall, or the wall system. we are never going to build a 2,000-mile concrete wall -- chris: television an appropriation, he was willing to give real money, we will give you the money to build the wall. >> i think he had to explain the difference to the president about full appropriation year one versus authorization and a commitment to appropriation, but the reality was the president campaigned on full funding for the military and a border wall and said, remember, two weeks ago the president brought in a bipartisan group and said, i want to solve this, i want us to have a daca dill, i think he called it a bill of love and put out a menu and said we need a bipartisan solution, i will take the heat, you all come back on thursday, present me with a solution. six senators, republican and
democrat came back on thursday, presented a bipartisan solution and he fairly famously blew it up in an expletive exchange with senators. so at the end of the day, part of our challenge is negotiating with the president who struck -- struggles to hear yes, i think senator schumer put a lot on the table and he accepted and two hours later from hearing folks who oppose any reasonable resolution to the daca challenge, he walked it back. so i have a lot of sympathy for senator mitch mcconnell, the leader to have republican caucus who said on the floor friday night, how am i supposed to negotiate on the issue when we still don't know what president trump will really accept. chris: let me ask you, what mitch mcconnell is going to offer today, 1:00 a.m. tomorrow morning is a three-week continuing resolution. not four weeks to february 16th, three weeks to february 8th, during which time you can negotiate daca, why not accept that? >> well, i'm not going to negotiate for our leadership, it
is my hope that we will have an agreement that all of our unfinished business disaster relief, opioid funding, coming to an agreement on budget caps that will fully fund the military and domestic priority and addressing daca that all of this will be negotiated in good faith over the next let's say three weeks and voted on, that we will have a date certain for a vote to move forward. chris: so in daca, is that the point, that you want a commitment, guaranty of a specific date for a vote not just we will agree to talk to you about daca over the next three weeks? >> well, let's play tape here on what happened friday night where you've got senator mcconnell on the floor saying, there's no rush, there's no hurry, we don't need to be addressing this, this is unrelated issue, for me it would be a big step forward to have the majority leader say, this is an urgent issue, it's on the list of things that we mustards and we will vote on the senate if we can't get clarity from the president about what he will embrace, then the senate will be the senate and we will move forward. i think that would be a good
step forward. chris: democrats like to say when republicans shut down the government, the real people are going to get hurt. here is secretary of defense james mattis on the real affect of the shutdown. >> i will just tell you that we do a lot of intelligence operations around the world and they cost money. those obviously would stop. chris: as a member of the senate foreign relations committee, senator, are you willing to see that and other vital programs shut down? >> the government should not be shutdown, that's why i spent all day yesterday listening to working -- chris: you voted to shut it down, voted against the cr? >> i voted against the 30-day cr, on friday, secretary mattis put out a statement say we shouldn't have another 30-day cr, that's why there were republicans an democrats who voted on friday against a 30-day cr. chris: three-week cr, you're going to go for it?
>> in terms of what's on the table. what matters less is 30 day, 20 day, although we have spent a lot of time on that, what matters more is ending the hostage taking and moving forward. i've gottens of thousands who depend on community health centers, we are months overdue, the children's health insurance program. remember those hurricanes that tore through texas and puerto rico and florida, we haven't funded the relief for those hurricanes. remember the opioid crisis, we have this long list of homework unfinished. we need to address. chris: i want to pick up on this, we don't want the hostage taking that's going on. that's exactly what democrats said back in 2013 when republicans shut down the government over obamacare. take a look. >> i called them legislative arsonist, they are there to burn down what we should be building up. >> someone goes into your house, takes your wife and children hostage, and then says, let's
negotiate over the price of your house, we could say we are shutting down the government, we are not going to raise the debt ceiling until you pas immigration reform, it would be governmental chaos. chris: senator, right now aren't you the legislative arsonist, aren't you taking the government hostage? >> well, chris, because bipartisan groups including me doesn't mean i'm arsonist. chris: you say you wouldn't support a three-week cr either unless there's certain conditions met? chris: it's the same point. they shut down the government because they didn't like obamacare, you're shutting down the government because they there are certain things you're insisting on. >> right, notice i'm spending very little time pointing fingers it's trump's fault versus it's this person's fault. that's not my pry tirty. -- priority. i'm more optimistic yesterday than a long time, republicans
and democrats listening to each other talking about not just having through this issue but hawaii to get back to appropriations process that works. i'm the senior democrat on the subcommittee that funds mulvaney's omb office, treasury, all federal property, we never had final mark-up in october, we are four months in fiscal year. if there was anything good that came out of this weekend when everybody had to cancel plans to stay here, is that we are listening to each other and trying to find a way forward. i call on president trump to the same, be the leaders that many hoped he would be, hold bipartisan group today and negotiate to a conclusion, i will remind you, it's partly because of that explosive meeting where he rejected a bipartisan solution on border security and dreamers that were in this mess. chris: well, we can argue about his language but the fact is he didn't like the deal. >> that's correct, he rejected infamously in forceful language.
chris: here is my question because i can't -- i press director mulvaney, let me press you, what is the bottom line, what do you have to have to reopen the government? >> a commitment to forward on all the issues that we've been talking about, community health centers, dealing with disaster relief, children's health insurance and votes that we are going to have that isn't an issue and we don't need to be deal with it. how are you doing, do you need help, making progress. 10:00 o'clock, how are you doing on the homework, what's the urgency, it's not due until tomorrow, we need recognition that it's overdue. we have a list of things we need to move forward on. chris: the dog ate my homework. thanks for coming in today. good luck in working out a deal. >> go eagles. >> go eagles. that's right, you're from delaware, that's close enough. you now ticked about 90% of the
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>> the votes were there. the president was ready. the solution to this manufacturing crisis was inches away. >> negotiating with this white house is like negotiating with jello, it's next to impossible. as soon as take one step forward, the hard right forces the president three steps back. chris: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and democratic
leader chuck schumer exchanging blame saturday for shutting down the government. it's time now for sunday group, the head of heritage action, michael needham, former democratic congressman jane harman and josh holmes, gop strategists. as we said, josh, what is the state of play right now on the senate floor in terms of ending this shutdown? >> well, i think the state of play is democrats are in a situation where they have walked themselves into a box canyon and frankly there's no way out other than figuring out how to pass what's on the floor, vote currently scheduled at 1:00 a.m. chris: monday morning. >> which is entirely unnecessary, basically what we do is keep government open, same criteria that we talked about, full funding of the military, full funding of chip, full
funding of government operations and then get to the business of negotiating the issue of daca which is the reason for this shutdown in the first place, it can be done at any moment, all of this was, i think, irresponsible but also unnecessary. chris: what they are really trying to do is distract from the good economic. >> they want to shut down because they want to get off the subject. the tax cuts and tax reform has not been working well for the democrats. chris cri congressman harman, are you comfortable where democrats are right now holding out for either daca or commitment for specific for vote on daca and do you think they have a strategy for if this shutdown goes on? >> first of all, shutting the government is a live fire exercise, real people get hurt. there are 36 furlough employees at the wilson center alone.
military training doesn't happen, ships are colliding, this is a serious problem and the government should open now, hopefully tonight. i think the time to polling and messaging should have been spent in making a deal. i understand as of last night, at least 19 senators, i just asked senator coons, what they are looking for is improved deal with three-week term limit and at the end of that guarantied votes on things like daca, a daca fix which 87% of the country supports and most members of congress. chris: you're comfortable with them shutting the government down until they get that? >> no, i'm not comfortable with anyone shutting the government down. i am comfort denial -- i'm not comfortable but hopeful that 20-plus bipartisan members of the senate will today craft something beyond what was offered on friday that the minority of people -- not 51 republicans support it as you
pointed out in your interview. i'm comfortable that hopefully they'll be improved package that will get voted on today or at 1:00 o'clock in the morning, god save us, that will guaranty votes on all the things that should be part of this package that could have been worked out before shutting government down. chris: michael, their favorability ratings tanked and yet when you got to the midterm election in 2014 they won big victory and took back the senate, do you think to a certain degree democrats are pursuing the same strategy which is we can galvanize our base, play to the left wing of our party right now and by next november, months from now, everybody will forget about the shutdown? >> i think what the 2013 shutdown clarified where two parties were on policy issue and this is about policy, one party against obamacare and one in favor of keeping it. what this debate is about --
it's not just about daca, the president said he wants a solution on daca. the democrats allegedly said that they will give funding for the border. what this is about is chain migration, can the people who are currently here illegal bring not just close relatives but distant relatives in the country. when we bring somebody to the country, do we choose them on merit, you can bring a cousin with you. this is a shutdown over whether or not we should give amnesty to illegal immigrants who are here and have chain migration allow -- that's not going to work out well in november that says we are the party of amnesty and distant relatives. chris: i think there's been a sea change among democrats, i get the sense they are willing to say, you want the wall, we are going to let you have the wall. you agree with that? >> that's what they are alleged saying, gutiérrez said that he will help build the wall. chris: you don't think -- the president's main promise was not chain migration, his main promise was build the wall. he gets that, he shouldn't take
yes for an answer. >> the president has been clear from the very start when he said we will have a six-month retrieve on daca and to end chain migration, from a policy perspective he's right about that. we should have a system that allows people in america that provide merit, the same way canada does it and australia, that is the issue that democrats are shutting the government over. chris: chuck, which do you think is in more political jeopardy now and how do you see this ending. >> i think the democrats have a broadly popular goal which is daca, relief for those kids and then using a risky to unpopular tactic in the pursuit of it which is the government shutdown and so i think the longer it goes on, the more time the republicans could have to start saying, hey, wait a minute, they are -- they're putting too much
at risk in the pursuit of what we all agree is a goal. having said that, look, the republicans do control all of the levers of the government and the democrats have a strong argument that says, in that situation it shouldn't shut down. what's going on here and i think some other people in the panel have touched on this, both parties are only addressing these arguments at their bases. they are not anymore contesting over some middle ground of undecided people who are persuadable on this. and so in a way it's already a stalemate and it's going to perpetuate as stalemate which makes it only crazier that we are -- that we are going to let it go on. >> let me push you on that for a second, i think -- that's absolutely true. with republicans that's not the case at all in the case of this discussion. all they want to do is keep government open and fund chip. it's really clear what the discussion is about the government shutdown. chris: we are going to have to take a break here. i have a feeling -- i hope that we don't have to discuss this
>> 2017 was a year of tremendous achievement, monumental achievement, actually, i don't think any administration has ever done, has done what we've done and what we've accomplished in its first year. chris: president trump showing his characteristic gift for salesmanship as he celebrates first year in office. we are back now with the panel, michael, how do you rate president trump's first year?
>> well, it has been a very successful year when you look at the white house can do without congress and obviously congress at various times been more dysfunctional, huge tax cut with mitch mcconnell, senate in the house, and helping getting across finish line and great regulatory rollback and american foreign policy that's pushing itself abroad. i would say it's been a conventional conservative year of success and part of what got trump elected was reaching out to new audiences, finding way to appeals to some issues, anxieties that are out there that i don't know from policy agenda we fully captured yet. when you look at apprenticeship week, which the white house did earlier this year, that's a theme, that's one of the types of issues that will reach out some of the new trump voters, we have to find ways on policy victories on those types of issues also. chris: chuck, i think it's fair to say you are often critical of this president but take a look at this list, a big surge in gdp, a big drop in unemployment
u record highs in the stock market, we are seeing them now in new breaking through the thousand mark every 7, 8 days, record list of conservative appointments to the court and a big rollback of isis. i understand that you don't agree with some of the policies, but would you agree that this has been consequential and perhaps a successful first year for this president? >> yes, i think, in fact, i was preparing to acknowledge that on his terms and on the republican party's terms you have to give credit where credit is due. they have achieved a number of their goals. you just spared me the work of listing them but the presidency is both a policy-making job and a statesmanship job and national embodiment job, symbolism job and on the latter part, on the part of character, temperament and bringing the country together, modeling behavior this has been disastrous year.
i would go back after remarks after charlottesville and comments he made a couple days ago, all of the tweets. in terms of part of the presidency that involves representing the country and modeling the kind of behavior that george washington did when he established the office, i don't know how anyone can call this a successful year. chris: we asked you for questions from the panel and we got this on facebook from tamara, will trump get respect for some of the good things he has done, economy, taxes, unemployment, isis u josh, how do you answer tamara and given the fact that the president's personal approval ratings lag so far behind for instance in satisfaction with the economy, is part of the problem the style points that chuck was just talking about and in a sense he steps on his own success? >> i think that's exactly right. chuck layed it out pretty right. there's an issue of trying to take a look at the presidency from kind of two styles, one is
what are the accomplishments, in that category he has gotten an awful lot done, generational tax reform is pretty big, supreme court, all the judges and regulatory rollbacks that mike talks about, huge, on the other hand, there's awful lot of americans that have a big problem with it and where that runs into is that most people can't make a fair evaluation of the substance of the argument because they can't get around what his style is and so i think that's the burden that this administration has in getting a fair report card when you are in. chris: congressman harman, i want to ask you specifically about that area, foreign policy, whether it is rolling back isis, whether it's dealing with rogue states like iran and north korea, whether it's dealing with the great powers, china and russia, how do you think this president has done? >> well, mix but a lot of good, i don't disagree with any of this. let's remember he was elected by democrats and republicans who were frustrated with washington.
washington isn't getting better including his role as a uniting president. he gave an inaugural speech a year ago which could have been united the country, it didn't. he picked an issue, rolling back obamacare which divided the country, he should have picked infrastructure, he would have had a record twice as big as the one he now has and on foreign policy he's alienating a lot of allies, embraced a lot of dictators around world, he's about to go to the globalist swamp, the davos meeting -- chris: he may not because of the shutdown. >> he's scheduled to go. a huge opportunity, he would he use that on foreign policy, i give him some accomplishments, he might -- we are getting somewhere with north korea. on iran, iran's bad behavior in the neighborhood deserves more sanctions, but blowing up the deal is pointless. i think i would give him the lowest marks on trade. i think tpp creating a huge market and opportunity for china
and asia and china is our biggest competitor out there in the world, we are sort of working with them but we have a lot of issues that -- that are, you know, that are problematic and i think our foreign -- his foreign policy score would be better if his temperament were different and if the language he uses weren't this language about demonizing immigrants in africa, for example. chris: michael, your reaction, you were the one who started all of this both on substance and we call it style points but behavior, conduct. >> yeah, i think there's no doubt that as a country we need to find ways to take a kind of civic coming apart that's going on, people who on the one hand feel like the democrat party is always against him, they don't understand them or their values and bring them together with republicans who -- -- or others who felt the exact opposite. the whole political system gets off the hook a little bit for exacerbating and when barack
obama passes a law that catholic nones will buy birth control and goes to supreme court and one party united around the idea of using the force of government to compel catholic nuns to buy birth control i don't think that's more unifying than this president. there are aspects of this president, demeanor of twitter make many americans who look disconducted and ashame. i think the left has to understand that so much of what they have been doing on offense on the cultural wars, as they think the tide of history is behind them, that makes many other americans left out, persecuted and cause them to show up and vote for donald trump as president. chris: congresswoman. >> let's have a unifying president. he can do this in davos or here saying to the bipartisan group that's trying to keep -- reopen the government, okay, finally, i agree, let's have votes on the issues and put a package together that moves the country forward and makes congress work
again and i will take credit for being the president in this century to make congress work. >> i think we are drawing distinction style and substance that's false here. i think it's not just style when a president says something like he said after charlottesville, where he drew moral equivalence with neo nazis and people against them and that has a substantive impact. there really is a problem in this country where many, many people don't just feel dissed by the president but in some way actively threatened and, you know, too bad if he thinks that's unfair. his job -- he failed out to reach out to everyone and have everyone included. chris: having said that, i was surprised with generally pretty high marks with the president, 2018 still to come. thank you, pam. see -- panel, see you next week.
chris: after 9/11 the first u.s. military operation to strike back was top secret. most of us never heard the real story of what happened in afghanistan until now. here is our power player of the week. >> i think it's hugely important because it fills a void about completing the story of 9/11. chris: retired lieutenant is talking about the new movie 12 strong. >> we are going in. chris: tells how small units of american special forces helped over throw the taliban and drive al-qaeda out of afghanistan. chris: how soon after 9/11 did you know you were going to war. >> truthfully i knew the minute the second airplane hit the second tower. chris: back then colonel,
commander of fifth special forces group, he was ready to send 12 man teams of green berets, operational alpha into afghanistan to link up with antitaliban war lords. >> i choose you, you want 11 men. chris: it was a bold plan and admits he felt a heavy burden. >> here we were america's first response and we very much felt that we were carrying kind of the weight of the nation, if you will, responsible to them for getting the job done. >> this is from the towers. you carry that with you. >> five weeks ago men attacked our country, 12 of you will be the first ones to fight back. >> i gave one to every one of the team that went to afghanistan, i told them, when you find a place that makes sense, i want you to bury it.
chris: oda595, the team with northern alliance general. but right away the americans ran into trouble. >> summer camp. >> cancún, spring break. i was pretty drunk. >> did you plan ahead for green berets to fight on horseback? >> did not. that was out of the blue. >> pull back to stop. chris: special forces attacked the taliban that were armed with tanks and artillery. they called in air strikes if possible but often fought the enemy in close combat. why send in so few soldiers. >> the afghans traditionally, the only thing they hate more than fighting with each other is foreigners and nothing brings them together like a foreign presence. chris: in 49 day it is taliban
regime felt, 49 days. how accomplishment is that? for most americans this is the first time to have heard this. >> we have been very busy. chris: one of the few markers of the campaign 16-foot statute of soldier near new york's ground zero. now there is a movie to tell the story of the 12 men teams of americans that struck back after 9/11. >> we were able to take down regime and drive al-qaeda back into under their logs. it's a symbol of what america can do, it's a symbol of what america did dare attack us. chris: i asked general how accurate the movie is, he said, while there is some hollywood in it, you get a good sense about how the afghan campaign was fought and won. 12 strong opened in theaters
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