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"special report" tonight. i'm mike emanuel in washington. "the story" with martha maccallum is next. martha? >> martha: good evening, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. we are monitoring the president's trip to florida at this hour. we will bring you live any comments or when we see the president we will take you there live moments away. meanwhiles the governor of florida calling for the new head of the fbi to step down. we are always told if you see something, say something we know that someone did early january six weeks ago someone close to nikolas cruz had enough of the threats to carry out a school shooting. the violent behavior the accumulation of guns they picked up the phone and did something brave. they called the fbi. this is the fbi's explanation of why they never knocked on cruz's door. >> this information should have been provided to the miami field office.
they're investigative steps would have been taken. information was not pro-field office. no further investigation was conducted at that time. >> martha: the broward county sheriff shifting blame away from the fbi. >> make no mistake about it, america, only one to blame for this incident is the killer himself. >> martha: in moments my interview with florida attorney general pam bondi but, first, trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom with how this would happen. the fbi will only identify the caller as quote a person close to nikolas cruz. the agency does acknowledge the tipster was concerned about cruz's gun ownership. his desire to kill his disturbing social media post and the fact he wanted to a professional school shooter. runs a data base check on the person at issue. if it raises red flags, it's supposed to trigger a field
investigation in this case protocols were not followed and there were no further inquiries. here is the fbi. watch. >> for myself and over 1,000 employees of the miami field office, we truly regret any additional pain that this has caused. >> as you noted the broward county sheriff's department says only the killer is blame. florida governor rick scott says the mishandled tip is irresponsible. and urging fbi director christopherway wray to resign. quoting 17 innocent people are dead. and acknowledging a mistake isn't going to cut it. an apology will never bring these 17 floridans back to life or comfort the families who are in pain. the families will spend the lifetime wondering how this could happen and an apology will never give them the answers they desperately need. attorney general jeff sessions has also ordered a full investigation into the
bureau's handling of the matter saying we see the tragic consequences of the failures. here is what the a.g. told the fox business channel mayor embarrassmentmaria bartir. >> need to do a better job receiving these signs and acting on them and following up on them better. that is probably the most valuable thing we can do to stop these kind of cases. >> the fbi's public tip line can receive thousands of calls a day but authorities say the number of calls is not the reason this fell through the cracks, martha. >> martha: thank you very much. so earlier i spoke with florida attorney general pam bondy. >> you have been very strong and i know a huge help to the families throughout the course of this. but address that for us if you can right out of the gate. these concerns about what we learned today about the fbi.
>> the governor and i have been on the ground here the entire time. we have seen these grieving families and, you know, wednesday being in a room with families, 17 families lost their child and having them hear them be told they lost their child is horrific. one thing i can say on that issue is that's what we do. we promote don't be afraid to tell, don't be afraid to call in all these kids are on snapchat now. last night, let me tell you about my night last night. after i had gone to sleep, i got a call from someone i know they heard me on the news saying don't be afraid to call and report something. and kids were seeing snapchat posts about other kids threatening to shoot up a school after this. so i said what do you do? call it in. and parents, kids, do not be afraid to call it in. we would rather you be wrong
100 percent of the time and report it i will tell you from here on out, everything you report will be followed up on. by law enforcement. not only by local law enforcement but by the fbi. i was on the phone last night with the fbi. this morning i was on the phone with them. police last night nothing now is a hoax anymore. >> martha: this has been going on for years you know, some look at what was given to the fbi very specific, weapons, intent to shoot up a school. postings on social media. i mean, these are all the things that we, you know, after 9/11 americans felt that there was going to be much better coordination and when you look at what happened in the boston marathon case and look at what happened in the texas church shooting that was clearly violent person who got his hands on a gun and
he shouldn't van v. been able to do that. he believes chris wray needs to resign over. this dthis. do you agree with him. >> he has a lot of explaining to do. the men and women of the fbi report to him. we need to find out exactly what happened that could have saved 17 lives and many, many injuries and thousands of kids who will be traumatized for the rest of their lives. and i don't want that to impact what's happening next. parentkids need to tell their parents will snapchat. people are online and it's a sick world we live in now. we have so many good kids and good parents. even if you think it's a hoax, call it in. i would rather you be wrong 100 percent of the time and call it in and let us save some lives. >> martha: we need a national campaign in every school system that you need to alert an adult. >> we are working on it. >> martha: need to have someone that they tell. fbi. need to be a direct chain of follow through and have the legal backup to be able to
put this person behind bars or in an institution if that's what they need all of these things need to happen. see the cover of "the new york post." folks at home will see it i thought it was very interesting. mr. president, please act. you will be seeing the president this evening. your thoughts on what president trump will do about what we saw in florida and what lies ahead in the future? >> i know president trump. i talked to him right after the shootings happened and i was here. he kept asking about the families and victims. we live in a different world now than when you and i grew up. it's different. and social media makes things so much easier to occur. and we have to have more school security. i think have you heard me say this for years. we have to have better mental health. we have to. that's what our country. we are failing in mental
health. i have always said that i said that on the president's opioid commission as well. we have got to have better mental health in our country as well. >> martha: mental health combined with law enforcement and the rights cases where there is a present danger and an obvious violent background and situation. >> that's right. >> martha: attorney general pam bondi, it's always good to speak with you. i know it has been a long week. we thank you for being with us today. thank you very much. >> thank you, pray for the families. >> martha: we are. >> please pray for the families and recovery. >> martha: trust me we are. those prayers are going your way. thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: so the evidence that nikolas cruz was capable of this atrocity went far beyond the tips that were missed. cruz left an almost endless number of red flags in his wake including the fact that law enforcement was called to his home dozens, 30 something times in just the
past few years. a couple times a month. he would introduce himself himsf to people hi i'm nic, i'm a school shooter. dr. keith ablow is here tonight. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: good to have you here again. you said there is no safety net in this country. what do you mean by that? >> what i mean is that having turned the decision-making for mental healthcare services largely to third party insurers it is a summon occurrence folks hit the er suicidal and homicidal ideation. when they are questioned more about emergency room clinician, they may retract those things they then are deemed okay to go home. why? because third party insurers are saying we are not paying
for this person to come into the hospital because he promised or she promised more often he that he would do no harm. if three hours has elapsed. what kind of safety net is that snots to mental having gutted the community mental health network. most teachers have no idea they can call the community health center. >> martha: jump in for one second. stay with us here. here is president trump and melania trump at the broward county medical facility where so many have been treated. here he is. >> people incredible recovery. incredible. and first responders, everybody the job they have done is incredible. i want to congratulate you. incredible job. >> did you see the victims, mr. president. >> yes, i did. i did, indeed. very sad something like that could happen.
but, the job the doctors did the nurses, the hospital, first responders, law enforcement, really incredible. the speed that they got the victims over to the hospital was record speed. one case 20 minutes. one case 19 minutes from the time of the shot. incredible thing. thank you very much. >> do our gun laws need to be changed, mr. president? >> martha: so president trump giving obvious commendation to all of the individuals who were there on the scene and who helped law enforcement and emergency response teams who were incredible and who were witnessing things that were so horrific and, yet, their instincts kicked in. they brought the injured to the hospital and did an amazing job and we have seen some of them released and make it through. so all of that good news as the president has arrived in florida as you can see and
spent some time at the hospital last question shouted out dr. keith ablow what are we going to do now? what comes next? that is the question that needs to be addressed. if you were advising the president tonight, what would you tell him has to be done? >> well, number one, i would say please don't get distracted by thinking this is a gun issue. it isn't. all you'll have a creative killer if you disarm the killer. they will use something else. worst episode of school violence 193738 kids killed by explosives. not a gun. listen, this isn't that hard. most of the assay atlantas are male. most of them are socially astro sized. most have a fascination with video games and with weapons. if you even have a course filter that leads to a referral to voluntary or even involuntary outpatient
medical treatment. psychiatric treatment. inpatient when needed, you will catch 75% of these cases before they ever happen. you know, we say social media is creating. this to some extent it is. it's also testimony of the fact of how much we are able to ignore how callus we have become in this safety net that there is this trail in some of these cases where you say oh, it's all over the internet. well, we have got to give people a known way like at the tip of their fingers where they say this is what we do when you have these concerns. >> martha: yeah. a teacher has to have the authority to be able to call someone anonymously and say i'm very concerned that this child is violent we all know things are opened up by that common sense needs to play a huge role. we know a difference between a kid who sketches a gun with a crayon and someone who is clearly this young man stalked his ex-girlfriend and said he was going to kill her to the
point where her friends would never leave her alone. these kids incorporate distinct were very strong but didn't have the right people to turn to. >> that's right. we are so careful to not use the criminal justice system but we should. if there is malicious threatening. that's a reason to go to the courts. the courts can then say listen, we're into the going to come down necessarily that hard. we will do a continue without a finding with these requirements. outpatient therapy. these medicines. the courts are our friends in this. it's sort of a court of last resort because we disseminated the mental healthcare system. we have got to lean on the courts for a little while to enforce psychiatric treatment. >> martha: dr. ablow, thank you. good to h see you tonight. media digs in shaming politicians over their nra support. >> why does he talk about mental health and not guns? could it be because the nra spent some $30 million to get trump elected?
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>> russian conspirators want to promote discord in the united states and undermine public confidence and democracy. we must not allow them to succeed. >> deputy attorney general rod rosenstein today announcing a federal grand jury's indictments of 13 russian nationals and three russian entities for interference in the u.s. elections starting back in 2014. the deputy a.g. says no americans witnessingly aided the russian effort and the russian's ultimate goal was to spread distrust towards america's candidates and our political system in general. the 37 page indictment is the first filed against russian nationals as part of special counsel mullen's probe leland vittert is in washington with the whole story tonight. hi, leland. >> hi, martha. more on the americans in a minute. meantime, these indictments lay out a russian operation far more involved and sophisticated than ever thought.
way beyond bot farms fake social media accounts onto the stolen identities and money buying political ads and this dates all the way back to 2014 long before president trump got involved in the race from the indictment they engage in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about hillary clinton. to denigrate other candidates such as ted cruz and marco rubio and to support bernie sanders and then candidate donald trump muption those indicted -- among those indicted a businessman with deep ties to the russian president who used a base in i st. petersburg to run the research agency they unmasked their online identity why using u.s. servers. from the indictment the organize created and controlled the twitter account tennessee g.o.p. which used the handle at ten g.o.p.
the @ ten g.o.p. accounts faultsly claimed to be involved by u.s. state political party. over time that account attracted more than 100,000 online followers the russians quest didn't stop when president trump won the election. the justice department found evidence the russians worked to capitalize on the deep divisions post clinton's loss from the indictment at the same time defendants from coconspirators controlled, organized a rally in new york called trump is not my president. held on or about november 12th, 2016. similarly defendants and coconspirators organized a rally called charlotte against trump in charlotte, north carolina held on or about november 19th, 2016. now for the issue of alleged collusion of the trump campaign. from the indictment, defendants and their coconspirators also used
false u.s. personas to communicate with unwitting members and supporters of the trump campaign. key word there being unwitting. president trump tweeting the latest indictments prove what he said all along. the president's tweet: russia started their anti-u.s. campaign in 2014, long before i announced that i would run for president. the result of the election were not impacted. the trump campaign did nothing wrong. no collusion. i wrote that just before heading to florida. >> the white house press secretary also doubled down that the indictments prove no collusion. important to keep in mind tonight, martha, even conservative legal analysts warned team trump should hold off on any celebration and this indictment may or may not be the end of the road of the collusion investigation and certainly doesn't clear trump and his staff of crimes life obstruction of justice, which we have heard robert mueller is looking into. back to you.
>> martha: leland, thank you very much. here with more tonight jonathan swan national political reporter at axios, jonathan, good see it you. thanks for being here tonight. this is a bit of a surprise this afternoon. rod rosenstein stepped in front of the podium. no one really knew what he was going to say and lo and behold there is two sides though though investigation of course. and the russians, 13 indictments, we'll never see those people. they are all back in russia. but they really did detail what they saw in timples of their efforts. >> that's right. i took a few things away from today. number one i thought it was important signal that rod rosenstein held that press conference. it was a real show of support for mueller and his support for that investigation. but secondly, as you correctly pointed out, so far all we have heard about when this investigation is bannon sitting down with mueller. reince priebus, you know, trump associates going in and out. and the reason for that is because, you know, us reporters in washington they are the people that we know, they are the people that we cover. this reveals that actually
there is this huge substantial very deep and serious part of the investigation which has nothing to do with those guys it has everything to do with russia and russians. we often forget it is actually the russia investigation and there are russians involved. not just trump people. >> martha: exactly. it also said i think clearly that robert mueller is interested in sort of getting to the heart of what russia's role has been for years, going back to 2014. it reminds you of the back and forth between president obama and mitt romney who back then was concerned that russians were big threat to the united states. he thought that was funny and referring to the. this was long entrenched campaign with spies coming over here and impersonating americans. pretty detailed stuff. what does it make for the investigation overall? >> well, i think there is a
huge tbd. we don't know where it's going to be end up on the trump side of it. i understand what the president tweeted today because in the indictments today there was no collusion of evidence between the trump campaign and russia. that doesn't prove that there was no collusion but there has been no evidence to date. i think that part of it is a tbd. what it shows is that mueller is doing a very serious investigation. i thought it was very striking today that president trump's own lawyer john dowd said, quote, something to the effect of he has done a hell of a good job about mueller, which is not something you typically hear trump allies say about robert mueller. >> martha: a lot was made today of the reference throughout the indictments to coconspirators. the lady they convinced to dress up in the prisoner outfit as hillary or something or whether they are higher up the chain in the campaign organization. said they were unwittingly
involved. but we are going to hear more about those people, i would imagine. >> i assume we will. i thought leland pointed out perfectly the key word there is unwitting. it cannot by definition be collusion if you believe that you are engaging with an american who simply supports president trump. then every campaign would be on the hook for collusion. >> martha: indeed. where do you think this goes from here? president trump as you say, you know, sort of took a little mini victory lap on these revelations today. but you have gates still in the mix. have you got papadopoulos, you know, we don't know what these people are up to. or what they have promised to give in terms of any information. >> that's right. few things we are looking for. still don't know what steve bannon told robert mueller. he spent upward of about 20 hours with mueller's team over the course of about three days. you mentioned rick gates. we don't know what he has given up in order to get that deal.
that will be interesting. did he sell out former partner paul manafort or provide something that helped investigators hone in closer on president. and lastly the president himself. i mean, we don't know whether he is going to do a sit down interview with mueller. that's been the subject of debate among the president's legal team. jonathan swan good to see you tonight. thanks, jonathan. >> thanks for having me. >> vice president mike pence's faith was openly made fun of by joy behar. oprah winfrey is sounding a lot like mike pence. what is the reaction to the white house to the mueller indictment russians? where will all of this go next. our power panel karl rove, chris stirewalt and austan goolsbee on a friday night weigh in next. ♪ so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
♪ >> the defendants pose as politically and socially active americans advocating for and against particular candidates. they established social media pages and groups to communicate with unwitting americans. >> the attorney general rod rosenstein giving a glimpse of how the russians allegedly were working to try to interfere in our elections. but there are growing questions tonight from the political fallout of these charges as we mentioned earlier president trump said he believes the indictments
prove today that there has been no collusion in terms of the unwitting help from some americans and the word also in the indictments that they didn't -- none of the americans who were involved knew that they were working with russians. so karl rove served as deputy chief of staff under president george w. bush and is a fox news contributor. chris stirewalt fox news politics editor and austan goolsbee former chief economist under president obama. good to see all of you tonight. i just want to mention to everybody at home and to you as well that the president as we know is on the ground in florida tonight. and he has just left the hospital. where he visited with the doctors, who treated the victims in parkland and he is on his way now to the sheriff's office in broward county. for discussion with them. so as soon as that gets underway we might -- we will dip in and take a look what's going on there. we see the motorcade is on the move right now. karl, so quick to you, your thoughts on what we got today in terms of these russian indictments?
>> pretty exhaustive intelligence gathering and investigation by i'm assuming the fbi and intelligence agencies and robert mueller's investigation. pretty comprehensive. there is no way you can't look at this and say the russians weren't trying to mess up our election. i think we need to be -- we really need to be tough on the russians. i also want this to be in proportion. you know, for example, the russians after the election attempted to you generate rallies in chart, north carolina and new york, competing rallies for and against the president-elect. i can't find references to the new york rallies. buff the charlotte rally was 150 people against president trump in november. they spent a bunch of money. pales in significance to the parties of the united states spent. this is serious and we ought to act against it. i'm disappointed the previous administration apparently knew a bunch of this stuff and all they did was have the president say to vladimir putin late in the campaign stop it. and he obviously didn't do it. >> martha: back it off and some sanctions after that.
chris, you knowy help but get a small kick out of the fact that apparently they wanted bernie to win the nomination. they were no match for the dnc on that though. >> that's right. >> martha: your thoughts. >> very good. this is serious and it's serious that we are coming to terms with the fact that the russians played us for a bunch of zaps. and there were americans who willingly went along. you remember the protest march to trump tower. >> martha: oh, yeah. >> the day after the election and the fake black lives matter groups and all of this stuff pinning american against american to turn politics into a vessel of hate. we do a bad enough job with it ourselves. the fact that they played us for suckers should make us ahmad and should make us vigilant and should unite us on that point. >> martha: austan, i remember the moment really throughout the whole campaign everybody thought that mostly cloudy waste going to win. president obama said, look, there is no reason to think that there is any sort of playing around with ballots or anything like that.
can you always trust the outcome of the american election, and then it went the other way and suddenly there was all this concern about what we see now clearly an effort on the part of the russians to intervene. >> fair enough. i think both of the previous comments were pretty well said. as regards russian involvement. i think it's a little unfair to try to lay that at the foot of the obama administration, but, regardless, i think president trump has an opportunity here in one sense -- if he believes that this investigation priest there was no collusion, he could step forward and say and this makes me mad. this should make all of us mad. and i'm going to take the following five steps to prevent the russians from doing this in 2018 which i have already heard the head of national intelligence saying they are already
engaged in trying to interfere in 2018. maybe trump could start putting some of this behind him not be insecure about it i'm trying to stop the russians like anyone else would. >> martha: what do you think about that carl? >> i think that's right. i think knew about president obama. president obama knew some of the stuff and has responsibility to step forward. one of the great things about today was it's a public disinfectant. we now can read that nearly 70 page indictment. americans can go online and read it and methodically lays out the case the russians werrussians were messid in our elections. this is an opportunity for democrats and republicans both parties in congress say we're going to protect our election systems and process. one thing not talked about today was how the russians had attempted to intervene in essence invade the election systems of the states. it's turned out to be far
more than we were led to believe at the end of the 2016 election. >> martha: it's a wake-up call to be sure in terms of their involvement. as you can see, everybody, the president is on his way to the broward sheriff's office. and we're going to show you that live when he goes in to speak to sheriff steve israel who we have all gotten to know through the course of this week. gentlemen, thank you very much for being here tonight. as we move forward this evening, olympic gold medalist alli riceman abused by larry nassar and now doing things on her own terms. she is getting backlash for this photo. and journalists jumping in to the fray over guns. where do you draw the line? howie kurtz know and is he up next. >> people who are saying oh, you know, it's not the time to talk about guns or whatever, yes, it is, shut up. i don't want to hear it. it absolutely is.
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>> martha: president trump is about to arrive at the broward county sheriff's office. what happened in florida has shocked us all. relentless killing in our schools must stop. what role should and can the media play in this debate though? >> president trump addressed the attack as you know but he did not mention the word gun. >> president trump won't even say the word gun in his address to the nation. >> that's the message that i give out every day so long as trump is there nothing big is going to be gotten done. >> you know, it's not the time to talk about guns or whatever. yes it is, shut up. i don't want to hear it it absolutely is. >> i agree this is a mental illness issue. if you don't think we need to do something about it, you are obviously mentally ill. >> joining me now is howie kurtz, the author of the book donald trump the press and the truth. jimmy kimmel is not a reporter. we did see some journalists and hosts of their own
programs there weighing in on the gun issue. in some ways it's tough not to get emotional during the course of covering these events in some ways. >> well, i don't have a problem with journalists saying that guns have to be part of the debate especially since this was carried out with ar-15 and when you have the conservative "new york post" with the banner president trump you have to do something. tells you interest are a problem. i have a problem with the all the attack on the president trying to deliver a healing message. >> how dare he not mention guns. i have a problem with commentators who blame republicans blood on her hands because they don't take the same position as regulating guns as many of those in the media do interesting too because you start to hear enormous numbers of money that goes to the nra and looking at that critically, it's interesting. the open secret website list the top ten lobbying firms
in america and nra doesn't make the top ten. they are not in the top 20 of the large donations that marco rubio has received. he has gotten at love heat for being supported strongly by the nra. need to make sure our facts are right with all of that. >> i think it's fair to point out. in ra contributions. because the power of the group goes beyond handing out cash to, for example, running barrages of tv ads against proponents of gun control. even more important than the nra is the fact that gun owners in this country are passionate and motivated voting group democrats still haven't forgotten how many lost seats after bill clinton passed that assault weapons ban in 194. that more than the nra is the reason that barack obama and joe biden couldn't get a single gun crowl measure through congress during their years. >> martha: so true. 30% of americans, 100 million americans own a gun they themselves based on their own feelings about that and second amendment
are powerful voting block separate and apart from any money that the. in ra may be getting when you look at the question that a lot of people quoting the number 18 school shootings happened in 2018. that number is not accurate it's posh to be right, clearly. but also, you know, one child, one shooting is enough to make this obviously such an important. >> even one school shooting is one too many. i was surprised to learn that the 18 figure because i have seen it in so many media outlets. msnbc. the broadcast networks repeat it. it comes from this group called every town for -- against gun violence. it turns out it includes such incidence of a man committing suicide outside of a school closed for several months. blatantly deceptive. all journalists have to be careful not to accept as facts propaganda and loaded numbers put out by advocacy groups. >> martha: yeah. the numbers are bad enough without inflalgt them.
>> indeed. >> martha: and the numbers are way too high as we all know and we watch this play out. just a quick thought on entrepreneurship tonight, president trump tonight. is he about to enter the broward county sheriff's office. how he has handled it so far. >> he gave a good speech. as you pointed out a lot of critics said he should have mentioned guns. is he there in florida which is his second home state. he is greeting people and doing what a chief needs to do in tragedy, engaged, involved and empathetic and not even his severest critics should begrudge what he is doing. >> martha: is he very serious about mental health and talking abou about ways to address it that's an issue. >> see more specifics. broader issue than just guns. >> martha: absolutely. howie, thank you very much. good to see you tonight. >> same here. >> martha: coming up, oprah winfrey is not running for
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prch. >> wouldn't i know? if god wanted me to run wouldn't god tell mow? and i haven't heard that. >> martha: oprah winfrey suggesting she talks to god and he hasn't told her to run for president. it seems if you are mocking the media mogul when it came to vice president pence's religious beliefs it was fair game. joe behar. >> it's one thing to talk to joes us. its oh another thing when jesus talks to you. >> exactly. [laughing] [applause] >> that's different, that's different. >> that's called mental illness if i'm not correct, hearing voices. >> martha: she's apologized for that, kind of, mike pence said it's all about his faith and he finds that offensive. conservative commentator and fox news commentator and host on the week ends for us. good to see you. >> probably on this weekend. >> martha: look forward to that. what do you make of that whole thing? oprah said exactly the same thing that mike pejs said.
>> hypocrisy. if it's a powerful black liberal woman, it's okay. vice president pence is cra-cra and ridiculed for it f oprah said she was going to yoga and trying to wait for enlightenment or praying to buddha or allah i think it would have been okay. i think this derision or scorn is reserved for christians especially conservative christians who happen to be republican. so par for the course. >> martha: it's clear joy behar can't stand mike pence, nothing he can do right. but his comment was forceful. and she obviously alienated a lot of people. >> she did. >> martha: still trying to make up for it. >> oprah winfrey and mike pence are where most people are. they lost the heartland, lost working class americans. this kind of attitude from most pro depressives isn't a way to win. >> martha: quit thought on allie rice in the picture.
>> girls are getting mixed messages. when she stood up to her sexual abusers it was a very powerful moment. i'm kind of sad that that message is being diluted and hijacked by sports illustrated swimsuit. they have a commercial purpose. and i think they have hijacked the "me too" movement through aly, she's allowed that to happen. >> martha: she says on her body you don't have to be modest to be respected. i think she's saying, you know, she has the power to decide or not whether or not she wants to show off her amazing physique that way. >> it is amazing. >> martha: that's her right. >> she has a right to do it but but it's an important message getting lost f i have a minute, she said in the interview when she was asked, you should be able to walk down the street late at night in an ally by yourself wearing whatever you want and not have risk of being attacked. another dangerous message for young girls. i have a daughter going off to college in the fall, i want her
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good night, everybody. tucker carlson is up next from d.c., our story for this evening. we'll see you back here on monday. >> tucker: good evening, welcome, tucker carlson tonight as you've seen earlier today, special counsel robert mueller's investigation unveiled 13 separate indictments against russian citizens who oelgdly tried to meddle in the 2016 election. you're going to hear a massive amount of propaganda about those indictments and what they mean in coming days. we've looked at them carefully and here's what seemgs to be true about them. the indictments describe a russian effort to, quote, sew discord in the american political system. the effort dpan in 2014 -- began in 2014 before donald trump or any other candidate declared for the race. the effort didn't