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your home. that's it for tonight's "special report." hi, martha. >> thank you. breaking tonight, this story, is general michael flynn rethinking his guilty plea? flynn was one of the earliest supporters of now president trump. >> the next president of the united states right here. >> they campaigned together, and he became the white house national security advisor, one of the very first hires in the new administration, there only 24 days, the first casualty of the russia investigation. he took a plea in december to making false statements to the fbi when they asked him about his meeting and the contents of it with the russian ambassador. and then became a cooperating witness. his lawyer has said for months that flynn, quote, certainly has a story to tell and very much
wants to tell it should the circumstances permit. general michael flynn has not yet been sentenced. it has dragged on for some time. now the collusion case, the broader case, appears to be thin, at least at this point. there are no questions raised about whether the prosecutors originally believed that he had actually done anything wrong when he interacted with the ambassador. and now in his case, you have a request for further documentation, and that is raising eyebrows, about where all of this is headed. jonathan materially and judge napolitano take on this topic. plus, congressman devin nunez raising questions about the trump dossier, this is chapter two of the memos we were promised, and how it was used against carter page and others. remember just last week, page said this -- i think the truth
will set people free. >> carter page will join me, but first jonathan turley just wrote a fascinating piece about michael flynn and his potential options. jonathan, welcome. >> thank you. >> so you begin about talking about this order which was filed, which sounds arcane to most of us, but explain what caught your attention in this. >> the supreme court said defendants must be given exul patory evidence to prove their evidence by the prosecutors. this is pretty common, but this is michael flynn, their star cooperating witness. it's unusual to see this type of order come out, with someone
who's effectively pled guilty and awaiting sentencing. it's important not to read too much into this. the judge is a fair judge, and he may be amplifying that until he's sentenced he's entitled to this evidence, but the reason it's intriguing for some of us is that new evidence has come out since the plea, evidence he might not have known of, the first and foremost is that before comey was fired as fbi director his investigators apparently concluded that flynn did not lie to them, that it was not abintentional or knowing -- an intentional or knowing false statement. that changed when mueller and his team came in and they decided to frankly hammer flynn on that and a number of other possible charges. the question is whether flynn had buyer's remorse. >> a front page story months
back, when the original prosecutors were on the case, saying they hadn't found any collusion with michael flynn, that they hadn't turned anything up quite yet. then as you say it went over to the special counsel. one of the questions that's raised is all of the input by sally yates, the rushing over to the white house to talk about how concerned they were about michael flynn. you know, that has to start to raise questions as some of the other pieces of this fall apart, and we're not quite sure where it all ends. you know, we don't know yet. do you think that's having an impact on flynn's attorneys in terms of whether or not he jumped the gun? >> it may. you know, the whole yates thing is very odd. she went over to the white house to allege a logan act violation, which is perfectly bizarre. she was saying that he was in violation of a law that prevents citizens from getting involved in foreign relations. that law is viewed as unconstitutional, never used to convict anyone. if that was the basis for her asking for an investigation, it throws her conduct into
question. but there's a lot here that probably doesn't concern flynn a great deal. the reports are that he had been drained financially by the mueller investigation, had to sell his house, and that they were threatening that his son could also be charged. all of that ended up securing the plea. but since then there's a lot that's come down, that might be frankly a little bit irritating for him. if he was not told that the initial conclusion was that he didn't lie. >> yeah. admitted to that. that's going to be problematic for him. as you say, breaks the deal, face the wheel, tough to undo. >> it is. i have a column in "the hill" newspaper, it is very hard to make this catwalk backwards, once you make the deal. not only get out of it, but mueller would be free to load up on charges, some of which could be quite serious, and he could go after his son.
>> jonathan turley, thank you very much. great piece. i encourage everybody to read it. we'll follow it very closely here. thank you, sir. >> thanks, martha. >> here with more, judge napolitano. you spoke about this forcefully this morning. what do you make of it? >> exculpatory is evidence that helps the defendant or hurts the government. the reason it's never released after a guilty plea because a guilty plea is final, it ends the case. the defendant says under oath i did it, which is what general flynn did here. the interesting and tantalizing question is do defendants ever plead guilty when in fact they are not? the answer is yes. some judges will accept that because they know the pressure that are on defendants. they don't want to sell their house, their family prosecuted. they want it to be over with. some judges, like this one,
judge sullivan, will not. the question becomes, did the government, did bob mueller's prosecutors believe that mike flynn was not guilty when they got him to say under oath that he was guilty? this sounds like hair splitting, but it's -- >> that would be coercion, correct? >> correct. >> if you're michael flynn's attorneys, you're looking at the situation, saying we now have information that we did not have when we allowed our client to plead guilty, when they advised him this was the way to go. if we had the information at that time, we would have taken a different course. >> here's the kicker. the order to open up the exculpatory evidence was not as a result of a request by michael flynn's lawyers, it was done by the judge on his own. does he expect some defect in michael flynn's guilty plea? we don't know the answer to that. look, it's a very difficult road to hoe, because he said under oath i did it.
if he didn't do it, he lied when he said that. if he did do it, he lied to the fbi. either way he has a problem with the court system. i think in my career twice i tried to undo guilty pleas, and i was reversed by the appellate court. a guilty plea is final. >> another question about michael flynn out there, another branch of this tree, is what documentation was used to unmask his phone calls, right? >> that's very interesting. >> he may know the answer to that. mike flynn's phone calls showed up in the "washington post" within a very short period of time after they made their to the tail end of the obama administration. how did that happen? >> yes. great question. judge, thank you very much. good to see you as always. >> you're welcome. >> coming up next, catherine harridge on the next chapter by
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>> he criticized obama, the fbi. he didn't even criticize vladimir putin. >> he's been tougher on russia in the first year than obama was in eight years combined. he's imposed sanctions. he's taken away properties. he's rebuilt the military. he's done a number of things to put pressure on russia and to be tough on russia. >> the white house fiercely defending claims that the president has been soft on russia, and tonight the antitrust dossier investigation is entering a brand-new phase with lawmakers threatening to subpoena top officials from the obama administration. plus, special counsel robert mueller notching another guilty plea, this one from a lawyer for
lying to investigators about his contact with former trump campaign advisor rick gates. catherine harridge live in washington with all of that on a busy day in the russia investigation. catherine? >> this letter, the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee launched phase two of the dossier investigation. there were a string of questions, how the dossier was used to secure one or more surveillance warrants during the campaign. the questionnaire, including a threaten subpoena information, went to james comber, james clapper, and former cia director john brennan among others, saying the fbi and justice department knew about the dossier's democratic roots when it asked the national security court here in washington to
collect trump/carter communications. almost a year later, in may 2015, brennan testified he still didn't know the whole dossier story. >> director brennan, do you know who commissioned the steel dossier? >> i don't know. >> do you know if bureau ever relied on the steel dossier as part of any court filings? applications, petitions, pleadings? >> i have no awareness. >> in a separate development today, a london lawyer entered a washington, d.c. federal court and pled guilty to lying to special counsel investigators, his father a russian oligarch, lied. rick gates was indicted imoney laundering charges by the special counsel last year. today a white house spokesman said the guilty pleas a far cry
from the mandate, requiring him to cooperate with the special counsel against manafort, but we'll see what happens. martha? >> catherine, thank you very much. >> revelations in the original nunez memo have raised several questions about the obama administration's decision to spy on carter page. he was a special advisor from january 2016 to september 2016, traveling to russia in july of 2016. he let the campaign know that he was going to take this trip. they said that's feign, you can take the trip, right? he was later the subject of a surveillance warrant obtained by the fbi and part of the justice department's probe. carter page joins me now. first of all, i want your reaction to these new developments we've seen. what went through your mind when you saw the 13 indictments of russian individuals for attempting to infiltrate campaigns, groups of people, and
sort of move the message during the campaign? >> the funny thing i found out about that is the january 6th, 2012017 intel report from mr. clapper was saying it's r.t., spu sputnik, very big organizations. what's interesting about the new case, it's really chump change invested. >> a million dollars, i think. >> in terms of facebook adds, a couple hundred dollars here or there. compare that to the broadcasting board of governs, a u.s. federal agency, funding radio free europe, putting out these defamatory articles about the trump movement, and complete defamation. it's extraordinary. i'm hoping that, you know, as the -- as they're now entering phase two, the house intelligence committee, they'll get to the bottom of all that.
>> you're saying they're doing a much more expansive job at trying to sway political opinion, radio free europe, other areas, twitter, all kinds of different places, right? >> absolutely. the defamatory articles against the trump campaign and myself were there's little links on there. you know, you can tweet this out, or send this out via facebook, linkedin. >> taxpayer money going to that? >> over a hundred million dollars was the budget that year for the broadcasting board of governs getting to radio free europe. >> what about the exchange we just saw, between congressman trey gowdy and, saying he couldn't respond as to whether the dossier was part of the application to spy on you. do you believe that? >> it's pretty crazy. what i've been having a hard time believing, going back to the original testimony by
mr. comey on march 20th last year, where members of the house intelligence committee were reading from that dodgy dossier extensively, all the damage that created, challenges it created for our country, u.s. government. it's just terrible. you know, his false answers about trump tower was not wiretapped. well, that's all been proven incorrect based on this new -- >> you said that you believe that when all of this comes apart -- and you believe it is coming apart, right? >> big time. >> that it will set people free. what did you mean by that. >> i think our entire country, if you look at the civil rights abuses taken against me and other members of the trump movement -- again, all of my communications were hacked and wiretapped for over a year. you think about the tremendous resources that took, not only in terms of fake news, u.s. government propaganda in 2016,
but even with the fbi. the wiretap for me was issued on october 21st, 2016, and renewed three times, 90 days each. so that would have gone to october 2017. it was september 2017 when the fbi was informed about the -- >> yeah. and it could go backwards too. do you believe they were using you as a doorway to get into these trump communications? >> of course. >> do you think they got anything from that? >> well, you know, it's the principle of it. that was the thing. i was a low-level guy, right? >> are we going to see at any stage of this, this comes back to this one phone conversation that started when we got into the carter page -- >> well, the one phone conversation -- you know, it will be interesting. i think chairman grassley and chairman graham on the senate
judiciary, they have outstanding requests out to members of the clinton campaign to get information about their -- you know, their operations with the dodgy dossier creator. we'll see how that plays out. i think that will really happen. >> we talked about michael flynn at the beginning of the show. there are some parallels. his case was unmasked, his communications were unmasked, that appears to have begun with susan rice in the white house. >> i have no relationship with him whatsoever. we never communicated in any way whatsoever. the interference in the 2016 election, all of the chaos that created starting, you know, when these fake media reports came out in september 2016, all the chaos that created over the many months following that, part of me feels if that hadn't occurred
he would have been able to do his job and -- >> is there anything you could have done differently? >> i think fighting back actually. look, don jr. called me on tucker's show a patsy. to a certain extent i a little bit was. if i had fought back more in terms of trying to get the truth out there, you know, earlier, then it might have been potentially helped. i'm a private citizen, and i like to sort of keep a low profile. >> are you suing the u.s. government over what they did? >> absolutely. there's two parts. again, it goes back to this january 6th, 2017, intel report. they allege hacking and they allege false propaganda. i'm focused right now on the false propaganda. that's eminently clear that the u.s. government was funding this big campaign. i'm currently focused on that.
all i want from the u.s. government is $1, and start acting responsibly -- >> to prove they were wrong about you. >> absolutely. i think the fact that attorney general sessions is taking steps, you know, i think that's finally turning a corner there. so i'm quite optimistic. >> carter page, thank you. good to have you here tonight. thanks for coming in. still ahead tonight, president trump pushes for a ban on bump stocks as he heads to florida. we have the president's difficult decision to come. as the battle rages over kids, their movement, and who might attempt to co-op it to their own end, and what impact could be. >> you think we're too young to understand! we took legendary,
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making a difference. we must actually make a difference. >> president trump under increased pressure as he's asked his attorney general jeff sessions to draft a rule banning bump stock devices like those used in the las vegas massacre. it's likely seen as a good start by gun control advocates, including the young survivors of the school shooting in parkland, florida, riding in buses to their state capitol to face down lawmakers and demand a crackdown on gun ownership. they are not the only survivors speaking out tonight offering potential solutions. patrick neville, a survivor of the first of these disasters, the columbine massacre, is now a colorado state lawmaker, and he says if guns were allowed at his school in 1999 many of his classmates would still be alive. he's pushing legislation that would allow concealed weapons to be carried in schools. he says law-abiding citizens should, quote, defend
themselves, and most importantly our children from the worst case scenarios. we have a white house advisor for strategic communications and assistant to president trump. mercedes, good to see you. thank you for being with us tonight. is that a viewpoint that the president would agree with, the possibility of having more armed guards at schools? >> i have to tell you, the president this week is spending time listening to students, parents, teachers, law enforcement officials, education officials, to come up with the best and long-ter long-term solr dealing with school safety. there's a common thread in many of these shooters, and that's mental illness. the president is taking this week to have these open and honest discussions with these different individuals, and be able to come up with a solid solution in dealing with these tragedies.
as the president has said, no american child should ever feel unsafe in their schools. we believe this is an important priority for this administration. obviously he's also talking to governors as well as congressional leaders in order to figure out the best way to deal with this issue. >> yeah. you know, but in terms of the possibility that we need is more security at our schools, there's indication that he's open to increasing gun control, he's understanding of the cornyn legislation. does he back that? >> at this point the president has spoken with senator cornyn. obviously this is bipartisan legislation. the president recognizes the need of improving the background checks. we've seen we have to fix the background system. there's the military and law enforcement system with a gap that needs to be fixed. while we have not endorsed the particular legislation, we are
in discussion with congress, in figuring out the best way forward when it comes to this issue. >> there was an idea forward by david french in "the national review," talking about how this shouldn't be up to the fbi, it should be locally handled, a way for individual citizens to put together essentially documentation, and say i'm concerned about this person, he lives in my house, he has a gun, and that a judge could essentially create a judicially ordained restraining order to take someone's guns away, if they're found to be mentally ill, doing things that are nefarious on social media. is that something the president would be interested in. >> clearly we need to enforce our laws, and ensure that we keep guns those of the hands of those in danger of danger themselves or other people. we want to make sure that we take away all guns from certain individuals. that would be those individuals
who again pose a dangerous threat to themselves or to the community the president at this moment is working closely with the different leaders and the agencies, our policy team, to look at the different options we have to ensure that these tragedies don't happen again. the president at this point, we've been grieving for those in parkland. the horror these students experienced we, don't want that to happen again in america. >> i got to go, but he spent time with governor scott. is the president considering what governor scott proposed, that christopher ray needs to step down or people need to be fired who handled this situation at the fbi? >> look, the president has confidence in christopher ray. i can tell you, yes, there were failures in the system at the local, state and federal level, and we did have those individuals who did see something, said something. unfortunately that did not -- there was a breakdown when it came to the fbi and local law
enforcement. we need to make sure this doesn't happen again, and there need to be fixes to the system. >> look forward to what happens tomorrow. thank you very much, mercedes. >> thank you very much. >> molly hemingway joins me now, and wendy ostepo. thanks for being he here. one of the more difficult conversations around this is the suggestion that some of the students' grief has beenko opted by groups who wanted to use this horrific situation to push their own thinking about guns. molly, what do you think of that? >> yeah, there's been unfortunate media handling of these traumatized children. they've used them as ways to enact what they always like to do, a gun control agenda. these children aren't forcing their ways on to cnn, town halls, or covers of magazines. media is choosing them to put
there, to shut down debate and keep people from having a conversation about gun control. it's a type of thing that you don't see extended to all victims of gun violence. when a baseball team was gunned down, they weren't given the moral authority to weigh in for all people about what gun control should be. that's what it should be. civilized people should have debates where people weigh the pros and cons of gun control against our constitutional right as explained in the second amendment. >> wendy, what do you think about that? >> i think that was disingenuous to make that comment. i have a 15-year-old brother, and every day he goes to school, since this incident happened, with his classmates thinking they're going to die. that's not the media contriving that. that's real feelings of people who go to high school. we may be removed from that because we're older, but it's real. these students are grieving,
they're in pain. the civil rights movement started with students. the student nonviolent move. students have led the charge for many of our most polarizing issues. we have to be mindful to politicalize this. in 1999, 3.9 million were born. if they vote either left or right can swing votes. this has nothing to do with politicians, politics, but making sure our students go to school every day and come back home safely. >> molly? >> well, people on both sides of the aisle tend to use children to advance arguments that's unsavory when either side does it. traumatized children shouldn't be manipulated by adults at this time. should they be heard, their voices included? absolutely. they shouldn't be put up as ways to shut down debate. they're children. they're not fonts of wisdom. they should still be learning in schools about ordered liberty -- >> we heard fonts of wisdom from
one of these young ladies. their voices have been truthful in many ways. i hear what you're both saying, but nobody is taking anything away from the emotions and experience of these kids. we do not want them to be manipulated by anybody. they look pretty tough. i think most of them are hanging in there pretty well. >> they are. >> thank you very much, molly. good to see you tonight. wendy, thank you for being here as well. >> thank you, martha. >> he's only been in office a little more than a year, but a survey of 170 political scientists have ranked president trump the worst president of all time. we will have reaction from bill bennett. plus, strong political statements today by actor george clooney and oprah winfrey fueling questions about whether or not these two might be tempted to throw their hat in the ring. ♪ we the people... are defined by the things we share. and the ones we love.
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support for the gop's recent tax overhaul. according to internal polling from the rnc in seven key battleground states where they're looking at all of this to see what the people on the ground are thinking, it's a lot of numbers, but if you look at this side, right, this is tax reform, the net agree numbers, you know, when they put the disagree up against the agree, all of the people -- those are the positive numbers in missouri with pennsylvania, arizona, nevada, ohio, and florida, all very important electoral states. now, let's take a look at infrastructure by an even greater margin in nine battleground states, respondents say they agree more than they disagree with the support in infrastructure spending, and the net agree numbers are very strong when it comes to infrastructure. all of this comes amid a record fundraising haul for the rnc.
good to see both of you. >> good to see you. >> adrian, tell me why the reasons don't concern you. >> number one, this is the rnc's internal polling data, which you just mentioned -- >> both do research. >> sure, absolutely. secondly, there's plenty of polling out that show americans trust democrats to handle their views on taxes, to handle infrastructure spending as well. there's a new quinnipiac poll that just came out that shows that, 46% of americans favor democrats on taxes versus 41% for republicans. you'll always see polling go back and forth. the real issue here is that republicans should be winning on this issue. they should be winning on taxes. they should be winning on infrastructure spending. they have full control of the house, senate, and white house. part of the problem here is that president trump continually
steps on his own message. the state of the union speech, where he talked about his agenda, including taxes and infrastructure, got stepped on because he talked about who clapped for him more the next day. >> no doubt, that's a frustration for the people who work closely with him. mark, what do you see in these numbers in terms of the bigger picture? >> what i see is a big win for republicans. when this bill was introduced and passed, it's a winner for republicans. why is that happening? this wasn't just tax cuts, it was tax reform. it was incredibly complicated. so in december people didn't know if they would be losers or winners. 90% of americans, middle-class americans, will get several thousand dollars back on their taxes, and they're getting it
right now. employers are lowering their withholdings. every american is starting to see more money in their paycheck right now. all of a sudden people are waking up, seeing i have more money. this is good for me. >> and we'll see how it sorts out for them as we head toward the midterm. i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you about george clooney. he said he and his wife will be at the march for our lives on march 24th in washington. they gave half a million dollars to the cause. oprah winfrey not to be outdone said she agreed with him 100%. she threw a half million dollars toward the cause as well, which gets people wondering, adrian, whether or not he'll be your guy. >> look, as much as i would love to see george clooney run, and i'm sure that millions of women across the country agree with m- >> it wouldn't be boring, that's for sure. >> look, george clooney has
always been a huge donator to philanthropic causing, giving to this gun reform effort as well. this is no surprise. i don't think it means he's going to run for president. >> five seconds. go ahead. >> george clooney is thinking, trump is a reality star. i'm a real star. if he can be president, so can i. they need to get back the obama voters who they lost in states like wisconsin, michigan and -- a hollywood liberal won't get those voters back. >> adrian, thank you very much. good to see you, mark. the results are in, and political scholars say it's official, president trump is the worst president of all time. they all decided this one year in. bill bennett has something he wants you to know about that when we come back. >> he actually once said i'm the greatest president in the history of our country. i said, does that include lincoln and washington? he said yes. i said, i love this guy.
presidential scholarship that political scientists have trump ranked the worst president of all time after only one year on job. below presidents, for example, who helped blunder us into the civil war and the great depression. who made the top 10? president obama shot up 10 spots to number eight. president clinton slid from eighth down to 13th. earlier tonight i spoke with bill bennett, former education secretary and fox news contributor. >> might as well throw in the towel, right? 170 of these political scientists have already decided his fate. >> shame on you, you called them scholars, martha. >> with air quotes. you might have missed that. >> okay, air quotes. i did miss it. whatever this is it's not scholarship. it is so ridiculous. that's the only word. it's beyond rhyme or reason, rationale or research. after one year. you know, we're in the olympics
period now. this is like everybody gets four jumps after his first jump, which is pretty good, his first year, that's all, he doesn't get three more jumps. we grade him, evaluate him, and he's out. you know, he's out. it's just nuts that donald trump would be behind james buchanan, who blundered us into the civil war, andrew johnson who tried to go back on reconstruction and told freed slaves they weren't freed anymore. really atrocious things as president. this crowd puts him last. this is a message to parents, martha, if i fight. $40,000, $50,000, $60,000 a year, this is what you get from so-called scholars at the so-called best institutions. it's a shame. there used to be integrity in the academy. >> blows your mind they got 170 people to weigh in. you would think many of them would say, how can we answer
that question? if it's not as if we were asked to measure them all on a first-year status. that might be slightly scientific or analytical, to look at them all in the first year, but they didn't. as you say, buchanan got a reprieve. president obama went eight points up the scale to join the top 10. do you think historically that he belongs in the top 10? >> what exactly did he do over eight years? obamacare, which is in tatters. president trump in one year, signed this tax bill, which has a lot of things going on, not just reduction of taxes, but other things that will stimulate the economy. he's appointed first-class federal judges, including a first-class judge in the supreme court. illegal immigration at the border is down. he said he would defeat isis. isis is very much being defeated, annihilated in the words of general mattis. that's one year.
my, gosh, he's got three more. maybe seven more, god forbid. i don't want the 170 scholars to turn over in their bed. >> it's a long time. many times you've seen the person take the office day one, and four years later what they look like, it takes a toll on everybody. if you could tell president trump tonight, if you could advise him -- not that anyone should care about moving up this list, but to be in the upper echelons of this country, what would you tell him to do the next three? >> well, i would tell him to listen to the people whom he trusts. i think he's maturing. he's taking a lot of incoming, some of it he should ignore, but some of it he should listen to. the job matures people.
this is a very strong guy, who's not going to change. he's 70 years old. the capacity to listen, the capacity to take good counsel, capacity perhaps to pause once in a while might not be the worst thing for him. but look, i salute the accomplishments. i know about the personal style. we're not going to do anything about the personal style. but, you know, in terms of his policies, you have to give him good grades. after one year. he's got at least three more left. come on, judges. give the guy his other three, okay? >> exactly. get to take the fourth jump down the halfpipe. we'll watch him do that over the course of the years. >> yeah. >> bill bennett, thank you very much for your time as always. >> thanks, martha. >> coming up, a tribute to the junior rotc cadets who lost their lives in florida.
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three junior rotc cadets who lost their lives in florida. the governor directing members of the florida national guard to pay respect to the families of the cadets alaina petty, peter wang, and martin duque, awarding them the middle of heroism. peter wang was laid to rest. peter bravely fought to open up a classroom door to allow other students to escape the gunfire to seek shelter during the rampage. reports say that he was buried in his uniform. he had a lifelong goal to attend west point antedated the academy offered admission to him. a rare move for candidates who actions exemplified the duty, honor, and country. services also for the three classmates remembered as a beautiful, caring witty 16-year-old, finding a cure for als, 14-year-old -- said that she was smart, loving, caring. a smart girl who brightened any room she entered, and
14-year-old carol walkman, an excellent student who love the beach and playing with her young cousins. may they rest in peace two. the story for tonight, i am martha maccallum. tucker is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," the news gets weirder. one certainty in the news business, robert mueller's investigation claimed another victim today, someone you have not heard of. he has dutch attorney alex van der zwaan. he worked for the law form, one of the biggest firms in the country. and included work for ukrainian president victor janne kovic, work that was arranged by lobbyist paul manafort. it appears that he weaponized a number of american law firms on half of his ukrainian client.