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report," fair, balanced and unafraid. the story hosted by martha maccallum starts right now in new york. hi, martha. >> good to see you, bret. thanks a lot. tonight on the story. it feels different this time. is it? has the boiling point finally been reached? are the funerals finally too many? is this father's pain too much for america? >> to protect sports. we protect concerts, stadium embassies. the department of education that i walked in today. that has a security guard in the elevator. how do you think that makes me feel? in the elevator they have a security guard. >> martha: that as other parents think guns are not the solution. >> rather than arm them with a firearm, i would rather arm them with the knowledge of how to prevent these acts from happening in the first place. >> martha: now the president needs to find a bridge for
both sides. he is calling for action really in a way that no president has before. and stepping right in to these battles that will ignite left and right. >> you could have concealed on the teachers. they wouldn't know the people, nobody would know who they are. and it is a tremendous threat. and, by the way, instead of advertising this school has no guns, we are gun-free, you let the people know the opposite. nobody is going to attack that school, believe me, they are cowardice. they don't want to be shot at you let people know you come into our schools. you are going to be dead and going to be fast. >> i like to get things done. to get this done, we do need defense but we also need offensive capability. >> martha: and a fired up wayne lop peer of the nra says that the country protects everyone but our kids. >> they want to sweep right under the carpet the failure of school security, the failure of family, the failure of america's mental
health system. and even the unbelievable failure of the fbi. >> trace gallagher in our west coast newsroom with a look at what is actually being proposed and what some schools are doing already and what form is this battle going to take? trace? >> martha, as president trump maps out a tragedy going forward, he says he is open to stepping up background checks for gun buyers, raising the gun buying to my knowledge 21. limiting gun access to people with mental illnesses and banning devices like bump stocks that allow certain weapons to fire almost like automatics, which is what the las vegas shooter used. but the president believes the answer to protecting children right now is to allow some teachers to carry concealed weapons. he tweeted, quote: history shows that a school shooting lasts on average three minutes. it takes police and first responders approximately five to eight minutes to get to the site of a crime. highly trained gun adept, teachers/coaches would solve the problem instantly before
police arrive. great deterrent. we don't know where the president got his numbers on police response time so we can't confirm. but he's right when he says the vast majority of school shootings are over by the time police arrive. and a "the washington post" abc news poll shows that 42% of americans believe that teachers with guns could have prevented the florida shooting. right now, there are eight states that either allow or don't prohibit educators from carrying concealed weapons. alabama, alaska, hawaii, new hampshire, oregon, rhode island, utah, and wyoming. and in the wake of the parkland shooting other states are now debating the issue. the president's idea is also getting a great deal of push back, the american federation of speech teachers with 1.7 million members calls that terrible idea. oso does the national education association, the largest union in the country. the nea president says, quote: we need solutions that will keep guns out of
the hands of those who want to use them to massacre innocent children and educators arming teachers does nothing to prevent that. the president has yet to weigh in on the national debate over assault rifles. but it's worth pointing out that over the past 35 years in 140 plus mass shootings in the united states, by far the weapons of choice are handguns. martha? >> martha: trace, thank you very much. here now corey lewandowski former trump campaign manager and chief strategist for america first action. corey, good to see you tonight. does it feel different to you. we have watched this happen some times. there is something that feels very real and very intense about the debate that's going on right now. >> well, i think it absolutely does. i think the american people are tired of individuals who shouldn't have access to guns getting access to those guns. and what the president has said is you have to look at the mental health of individuals and in this particular case, we have seen an individual who had
the police called to their home something like 38 or 39 times to deal with potential problems. and that person, for whatever reason, and i'm not blaming anybody other than the person who committed this heinous crime or is alleged to have, should never have been able to have access to a firearm of any nature. and we need to stop people who are unstable to have access to firearms. >> martha: absolutely. one of the solutions that the president proposed, he talked about something that doesn't get talked about a lot. that is that mental institutions, facilities where people can be kept away from a community that they might harm really closed down in large numbers over the last several decades. he talked about reopening them. how is he going to do that? >> well, i think, look, it has to be a concerted effort from congress to understand that we have to be able to fund and identify individuals who have a mental disease who are not only a harm to themselves but a harm to the community. we saw just recently another potential school shooter who said he was going to -- go
and cause harm and the police stepped in and stopped that from happening. we have to make sure people that have mental illnesses have been diagnosed with mental illnesses or could potentially have mental illnesses, first and foremost get the treatment they need. if more money from congress has to do that we have to make sure that happens. we cannot put guns in the hands of individuals that don't have the capacity to handle them properly. >> the president has staked out some pretty difficult political territory here. he is going to try to keep the nra happy while at the same time raising the age limit to 21, which they have already said they are not in favor of. and that would be for ar-15s. already 20 for handguns. he also has to keep people pleased who believe that the last thing that should happen is that guns should end up in the hands of teachers. how is he going to do that? >> well, i think if you look at what the nra talks about a lot is training people, making sure that are certified. making sure they have a background before they are allowed to get their
licenses in many states. those are the requirements. most of the times the nra provides training for those individuals to show them how to handle a weapon properly. where the nra and the president fundamentally agree is this notion of bump stocks which i had never heard of before the rampage in las vegas. and i think everybody agrees that that's something that we can get rid of because there is no real reason to have this bump stock issue. so, there is cinergy between the president and the nra when it comes to unreasonable gun registration, unreasonable gun rules. the nra and the president agree that this notion of a bump stock should never have taken place and congress needs to change that immediately. >> martha: that seems like low hanging fruit at this point. that should be taken care of. and the nra is also in favor of not allowing people who have proven to be potentially violent. and on medication and in a condition that does not allow them to have a gun. they don't think those people should have guns either. you know, but a lot of people who voted for this president are very passionate defenders of the second amendment.
they feel that any, you know, sort of impinging on the rights of gun owners or any hemming in the restrictions arranged them is sort of one step along the road to taking away their rights to own a gun. >> well, let me say, you know, i have been a strong supporter of this second amendment. as you may know i served as a police officer in the state of new hampshire. so, i think every lawful gun owner wants to make sure that the rules for having those guns is followed. it's the criminals who don't follow the rules who get the guns. look at chicago, last year 605 murders or. so i think this year we are at, i don't know, 40 or 50 in baltimore alone. just in baltimore. the criminals don't follow the rules. when it relates to individuals who support the second amendment, they want to make sure that the rules are in place so that law abiding citizens follow them first and foremost. but you cannot have handicapped individuals mentally, mentally handicapped individuals. mentally compass at a timed
individuals access to weapons and firearms. there is no place for it. >> martha: the news that broke tonight is that the armed guard who was on this campus in parkland didn't act. he stood outside the building. he was suspended and now he has resigned. i mean, that's going to make it pretty tough to argue -- that's going to make it pretty tough to argue that arming somebody on campus would have saved these children. let's listen to the sheriff and then we will get your thoughts, corey. >> after seeing video, witness statements, and scott peterson's very own statement, i decided this morning to suspend scott peterson without pay pending an internal investigation. as is his right, scott peterson chose to resign. >> martha: he stood by, corey, and he had a gun. >> it's a shame.
you have to look at what our school processes are now because we have to protect our students. if that means we have got doors that lock in classrooms like they do on the cockpits of airplanes. if that means we don't just necessarily shutter in place which is what the schools have traditionally done, we have to look at the totality of how we are protecting our children. and if one individual is what we think our protection is who is going to not act in a time of crisis, then we need to have a better understanding of how we protect our kids who go to school every single day and deserve safety in the classrooms. >> martha: corey lewandowski, formerly of the trump campaign and police officer in new hampshire as you reminded us tonight. corey, good to see you. thank you. >> thank you. >> martha: my next guest is a teacher in salt lake city utah. she says she carries a handgun in school every day. casey hampton joins us now. casey, thanks for being with us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> martha: why are you armed when you go to school every day? >> well, it all started back with sandy hook. i watched how the teachers
just huddled their kids in the corner and stood in front of them and hoped for the best. they didn't have any defense for them and all they could do is hope that the bad guy didn't come in and shoot up their room. and for me, i needed a better option. i needed a better plan set in place rather than just hunker down and hope for the best. >> martha: i read that some teachers who went through this experience and other teachers who are reflecting on it afterwards say that they would -- they would put themselves in front of their children to save them. and as you point out, i mean, that's a heroic thing to say and not what people sign up for when they become a teacher. but you feel that you have empowered yourself by doing this. what's the reaction? you know, is there any push back to you having a gun in the school that you work in? >> there have been push back, yes. there have been push back ever since i came out right after sandy hook and even
now. there still is push back. but i became a teacher because i love children. i love children. and i would do anything for them. and if that means taking a bullet, then, yes, i will take a bullet for my children. but why not give me the chance to also fight back in the process. >> martha: how are you trained? >> so i first took the conceal carry class. and i started of going to the ranges, the gun ranges and i started practicing. and i would get my hands on a lot of different types of guns. i would find the ones that i found the most comfortable. i would shoot anything and everything i could get my hands on and i would go to the range, you know at first i was going to the range constantly. it's gotten -- it's now a couple times a month. but i just feel like constant practice and constant knowledge of guns so that you are comfortable. >> martha: right. >> with what you are doing. >> martha: i heard one
person saying that the reason they don't think teachers should be armed when the police come in, there is going to be too much confusion if you have six or seven people in the facility that have guns. what's your answer to that? >> yeah. that's definitely a possibility. my answer is to say, you know, if somebody's coming up to my door, i'm going to yell i have a gun. if it's the bad guy, he may think twice about coming in my room. if it's the police they are going to respond and say it's the police, put it down and then i will obey. but, i would definitely yell out i have a gun. and, you know, i'm ready. and if the police come, then i know to put it back. >> martha: who would have ever thought that teachers would have to take these things into consideration and have you taken it and trained yourself and i think a lot of people probably would give you credit and other people would probably, you know, wonder what you are doing. >> exactly. >> martha: thank you very much for speaking out. >> thank you so much. >> martha: good to have you here tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: listening session
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listening sessions today and yesterday. the debate was heated at times. it was respectful. they won praise for having the guts to have the president leading this freewheeling and honest conversation. still some of the conversation focused on anything but that. it was the notes that the president had in his hand that you can get a close up look at which have some thoughts on questions and things of the like it. says, this photo of trump's notes captures his empathy deficit better than anything. that's what "the washington post" had to say after all was said and done. what happened later at the cnn town hall criticism of its own for being one sided. >> let me answer the question. you can shout me down when i'm finished but let me answer the question and have you had a previous town hall where you spoke with the young woman named kim corbin who was a college student who was brutally raped and one of the things that she speaks out about loudly now as how she wished she would have the ability to have a shotgun or whatever it was to be able to defend herself. [shouting. >> i was 220 years old when
i lived on my own. >> martha: joe concha media reporter. joe, how this is being handled in the press is the subject at hand. i mean, you say when it comes to this president there is sort of a measure of is that correc snark that key into every story. >> bob woodward who i still have tremendous respect for obviously of woodward and bernstein fame. not only is the press biased but not so much biased but they see themselves as self-important and also snarky as well. he said during watergate the only question he asked was what are the facts and he kept attitude out of it he says that's a big problem now with our press. and it comes through. empathy deaf which you just mentioned. we heard a lot about that in texas and florida and puerto rico as far as the president's response to hurricanes. so we have seen this script before. martha, look, nothing has been done in this country under whether it be president clinton or president bush or president obama and the previous 24
shootings since columbine that's 1999. now here you have this extraordinary event, one week after a mass shooting in florida, the president invites students and grieving parents for a listening session. and the only thing we get back again is concentrating on the notes and not talking about some of the solutions that are actually being proposed. you know, obviously, under 21. can you buy a gun anymore in the president says well, no, i would rather raise that age limit. right? that's one thing. the nra probably isn't going to like that that that much. or arming people that have experience with firearms in schools. maybe a lot of people won't like that either. at least he is proposing things that he knows may not be popular with his base or with democrats but it seems like he is trying to get something done. again, we go to the negative when it comes to this president. >> martha: it kills me that somebody gets to be the measure of whether or not someone is empathetic. how does anyone know what his empathy measure is he seems to be listening very closely and very moved. i hear time and time again by people who deal with him
personally they feel that when they are in the room with him in these types of swangses. in terms of the cnn town hall last night, there is rush limbaugh talking about that. >> okay. >> what the audience do last night? the audience booed marco rubio. the audience booed dana loesch. this is what indoctrination looks like. this is what a lifetime of propropagandizing and indoctrination in the schools looks like. >> martha: what did you think of that, joe? >> well, you know, in terms of the cnn town hall, from a theatrical standpoint you had all the ingredients for confrontation. you had the nra spokesperson in dana loesch. marco rubio a former u.s. republican presidential candidate. then obviously had you folks on the democratic side but more importantly had you a room that was obviously on edge very emotional. and then you had these sort of polls and stats in terms of the wind at the back. in terms of making this the way it was where it wasn't a learning experience or
exchange of ideas but one side attacking another. quinnipiac one day before the town hall, martha questioned is it too easy to buy a gun in the u.s. today? american voters say yes by 64% margin. question, does congress need to do more to rice gun violence, 75% to 17%. when have you all those head winds and that kind of crowd, you north not going to learn a lot and advance the ideas confrontation that only leads to division and doesn't move the ball down the field. >> martha: you have to have the guts to allow people from both sides to really have an honest conversation and to encourage that in a respectful way if you want to get anywhere. joe, thank you very much. always good to see you, joe. >> good to see you. >> martha: so debate is raging over whether or not russian bots had an impact on the elections. one side to the story nobody is talking about. russia is not the only one who likes to get involved in elections. from time to time, the united states does, too. general jack keane joins me on that.
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but as the shock and outrage continues and debate rages over what if any impact their bots may have had on american voters, the "new york times" points out this rarely discussed part of the story. russia is not the only one that likes to middle in elections. we do it, too. throughout history the united states has worked hard to bring about favorable outcomes in foreign elections with state department aid and cia operations that sometimes involve suitcases full of cash to back certain operations. here now general jack keane, fox news senior strategic analyst and chairman at the institute for the study of war. good to see you tonight. i think that may come as a surprise to some people. >> it may be. but, it's pretty well known that we have been interfering in elections and it's part of our covert espionage operations. we are promoting u.s. national interest to be frank about. we have done it ever since there has been a cia. that's post world war to the
president. some 70 plus years. we know of some of the countries where it's taken place. we don't know of all of them by far. but, we know guatemala, capitochili, nicaragua. and russia. those are some of the countries we have been. in normally when we are doing something like this we are discrediting an opponent who is usually a communist like dictator or communist leanings or an authoritarian and we are trying to assist an opponent who doesn't stand for those kind of values. we are also trying to promote democracy. so our government, if i was a government spokesperson, would tell us we don't see a moral equivalency here. we see the russians who are trying to undermine our democracy and create discord in our country. and they have managed to succeed at that based on what they have done with the last election. but we see it differently. obviously through the lens
of our government and through our values and our principles. >> martha: so during the election of president trump at a debate said, you know, russia could be meddling, china could be meddling, north korea could be meddling, are we too myopic in the way we are approaching this that everyone is horrified that they would be trying to do this to whatever extent they were actually able to execute on it. do we need to take a broader view of this and be more realistic about what's going on in the world? >> yeah. i felt that right from the beginning. there was such an incredible reaction to it. because i think it became a political issue. and that certainly distorts things greatly in america. it's like spying. we spy on our adversaries and, martha, let's be honest, we spy on our friends. this is the nature of the world we live in. we have -- we're a global country with significant responsibilities in the world because we take on the mantel of global leadership
to promote stability and security and prosperity in the world. and one of the things you need to do that is have intelligence and the other thing you have to do also to promote that is to influence people we have influence operations, information operations that are out there. and sometimes we are spreading falsehoods because we want to discredit a government or discredit an individual who has influence. and we do that. >> martha: great points, general, thank you very much. great to see you tonight. >> good talking with you, martha. >> martha: joining us now is martha chaffetz fox news contributor and marie harf former obama state department spokesperson and fox news analyst. good to have both of you here. maria, i think when you prison to the outrage in some corners about why president trump isn't outraged enough that they would have tried to do this and how we need to maintain, you know, the sanctimony of our election system the safety of our election
system when roomily this is the kind of thing and we understand we are not making a moral equivalency here but countries trying to influence other country's elections is something that's been happening until very recent history. >> it's not the same thing. the general said something very important when he said there is no moral equivalency between what the united states may have done during history and what the russians did to us in 2016. and what the intelligence community tells us they are doing today and will try to do in the midterm elections this november. so i think where people get concerned is when there are folks who don't want to admit that russia actually did hack us, our system that they are trying to influence us and pull out historical facts. >> not saying someone tried to influence the election. whether or not there was an actual impact. i think someone said it's a little bit offensive, i think, to some american voters to think that they would be influenced by these facebook postings. that some of these things that came across their
social media suddenly they are going to vote for a different person. >> it's offensive to me that people are accusing democrats of trying to just play politics with. this i think republicans and democrats should be concerned about the facts that voters in florida unknowingly went to rallies organized by the russians. that he was not a good thing for our democracy. both sides of the aisle should be able to agree on that. >> martha: i don't want to get too far afield here because i do want to ask you about this. in israel, you were at the state department then right? >> u.s. state department said $350,000 to an israeli organization called one voice to try to oust benjamin netanyahu. they built a database, they trained activists and hired a political consulting firm who had ties to the obama campaign. >> i would say without getting into the weeds here, all of those details are not correct and the state department would never undertake efforts to oust the leader of a country that is one of our closest allies in the world. so, when people bring up stories like that, in the context of russia's hacking of our election, even if they are not meaning to, it
does draw moral equivalency and leads people to believe maybe what russia did in 2016 wasn't that bad when it was bad. >> martha: ongoing, common it happens all around the world. >> it's not common. >> keep going. this is great seat to watch this debate. no, look, the world is changing. and in this electronic age these elections are run, it's a state by state, county by county level. when people go to electronic voting machines. when they go to social media. then we make ourselves more vulnerable to outside actors. and it is general keene pointed out, we are doing this to around the world. there is a real fight, for instance, in africa. millions of dollars the chinese, the russians, the americans all trying to peddle some influence and get people in friendly to their own country. i do agree with maria. it is very serious we have to take it seriously. look, nobody could influence
the election even if they wanted to. now, it didn't sway the outcome of our last election. but, let's not be naive going into this electronic age. this can and will happen if russia and the chinese and others can manipulate, they will. >> martha: we will leave it there jason, i promise you will get the first word next time: what the heck is going on with the olympics, the tradition and history looking as unshiney as a bronze medal except for that beautiful gold around the hockey players last night which we are all very happy about. as the games get ready, county olympics be saved? yes, we will tell you how. plus, juan williams said christians have sold their souls for trump. he goes after pastor jeffries, specifically. and, look, here they are. both ready to go next. >> a lot of people said i wonder if donald will get the evangelicals? i got the evangelicals.
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>> martha: new op-ed christians support president trump extramarital affairs, evangelicals sell their souls for trump. juan williams writes it now seems clear that evangelical christians who hold up biblical edigits on lying, cheating, and adultery don't care about the word of god when it comes to trump. and it gets tougher from there. here now juan williams and dr. robert jeffries, a pastor at the first baptist church in dallas and juan williams co-host of the five and fox news political analyst. pastor jeffress, what's your response. >> well, my friend juans that all wrong on this. let me share this perspective, evangelicals had a binary choice in 2016 between donald trump, who admittedly by his own
admission is not a sunday school teacher or a saint but he has become the most pro-life, pro-religious liberty, pro-israel president in history the other choice was hillary clinton. our though my friend juan describes her as saint hillary of chappaqua he is hard lay bastion of morality herself. here is a woman who publicly shamed and blamed the women who had been assaulted by her husband. she supports abortion. unrestricted. >> martha: how criticize her for those things and not him for the other things. >> listen, here's the point. we had a choice between the two. both of them. we had a choice between the two and what i would ask is in what universe would anybody say hillary clinton was more moral than donald trump? and my point is simply this. if i am going to hell, juan, like you say i am for supporting donald trump, then that means you're going to be 100 floors below me for supporting hillary clinton. the fact is we are all sinners. >> martha: i don't agree
with it, obviously. so, i mean, i came at this from a political perspective which is i'm very interested in understanding why white evangelical protestants are so supportive of donald trump. i think now it's 68%, martha. double every other demographic or religious group in america. so when michael cohen the president's personal lawyer said last week he paid $135,000 to a porn star on top of that, you have the new yorker and the "wall street journal" reporting about a playboy playmate who had an affair with the president. and then you have the fbi director saying oh, yeah, and we told him about a man who was abusing two wives. >> martha: why do you think that stuff doesn't stick? >> juan: i listened to pastor jeffress, he says the policies matter, it's not the fact that this man, as president of the united states is, a role model for us as a society. and i just think that you are buying in to the idea that the policies matter but character and christian doctrine don't matter. >> are you saying that
hillary has more character than donald trump? >> here's my point. >> have you flawed candidate. you have to go to the policies then if you have two flawed characters. >> martha: that's what's going on here. evangelicals are saying all we care about is the conservative judges. we care about life. those are the issues that they say they care about. what i find interesting though, juan, i think you make a very interesting argument here. i'm wondering. if bill clinton didn't wear people down and when they look at what they didn't know about jack kennedy. they say you know what? we don't necessarily expect the president to be a moral leader. what we want is somebody who is going to make the changes. i'm asking you. is that what's going on? >> juan: that's possible. i don't think that's exactly what's going on. i think there is a little bit of hypocrisy involved here. >> martha: okay. calling you a hypocrite. you don't care about the facts. >> i'm going to hell, too. >> martha: i didn't see that the in op-ed. >> he said i sold my soul. >> imagine if president obama, whose policies you
disagree. he was the president of the united states. if his lawyer was playin play paying a porn star money or endorse ago candidate allegedly involved with sex with young girls. what are what are what would have you said. >> i would have said that's wrong but not grounds for impeachment, okay? that's what we're talking about here. >> juan: why would you vote for such a person? 68%, pastor jeffress, continue to support donald trump. >> it's because ever the policies. it's absolutely. >> juan: you close your ice we see no evil. >> are we going to throw him out of office because of things that are alleged. none of these things have been proven by the way. these are all allegations as opposed to bill clinton who committed these deeds when he was in office. specifically the oval office with monica lewenski. don't forget that and there is a blue dress to prove it. we don't have a blue dress in this. and this is in the past. this was not while he was in office. >> martha: let me ask you guys this. we talked a lot last night about reverend graham. reverend graham really maintained friendships with
republicans and democrats. he stood by the side of richard nixon. he stood by the side of jimmy carter. he stood by the side of all of these individuals and did not judge them. he said, you know, you can hate the sin but not the sinner. thank you. so, how do people in the evangelical community become too partisan? >> yeah. look, first of all, billy graham was a member of my church for 54 years. so his passing was a very personal thing for meevment i think he had the right message we all need to hear right now. the fact is none of us are perfect. there are no perfect tv commentators, pals tores or presidents. we have all fallen. we are all sinners. we need a savior, that's why christ came. i think we need -- this finger pointing needs to stop. we are all imperfect. when it comes to political candidates that we elect. we have to look at the policy. i can't think of anyone who has run for office on either side of the aisle that has a perfect character. we have got to look at the
policies. >> juan: billy graham said at the end of his life i wish i had spent more time with the gospel and less time with politicians. >> martha: he did. >> juan: my thoughts, i don't understand why the evangelical christian community, knowing what president trump president trump said during the campaign grab them and latest revelations about personal lawyer, paying money to a porn star isn't able to say you know, we like your policies but you are a troubled soul and you don't hold up our standards as christians? >> president trump is a friend of mine. i love him. i support him. but the fact is, we are all sinners. we are aural sinners. >> juan: you wouldn't have said that about obama. >> yes, i would. especially if they were allegations that have not been proven. >> they are proved. what's the lawyer paying for. >> where's the blue dress? >> juan: what's the lawyer paying for. the lawyer is paying christopher wray the fbi director is lying. >> if they did happen, it's things in the past. different than what is hang right now. >> martha: good to see you both. very good conversation.
thank you very much to both of you for being here. juan, i appreciate it so the women's u.s. hockey team, wohoo won gold last night or this morning whenever it was. why are so many people saying that the olympics overall seem to be missing the mark? what has happened to the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat? do americans not care all that much? marc thiessen and jared max, two world class curlers, did you know that? i lied. coming up next. we'll be right back. and the wolf huffed and puffed...
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>> martha: in stunning fashion the u.s. women's hockey team wins gold. but in some ways the whole olympics feels it's been on thin ice. have you got the doping. have you got the scandal. have you that half hearted half piper who we all watched. county olympics be fixed? trace gallagher with more. hey, trace. >> hey, martha. u.s. women's hockey team victory really was amazing television. for much of the country it was on in the middle of the night so the ratings weren't exactly gang busters, last night's ratings compared to the fewer years ago in sochi were down 28%. experts say it's because of competition from other networks. the bottom line is these could be the least watched, lowest rated olympics ever. some of the bumps could be
attributed to weather delays, russia being banned for doping. then there were the series of gaffes like the ntsb asia expert talking about japan occupying south korea saying how beneficial it was for south korea's transformation. critics, of course were furious that he glossed over the more horrifying details of the occupation. then katie couric explained the reason dutch were so good at speed skating because people of amsterdam skate to work on frozen canals. reminded the canals amsterdam actually has cars now. couric light heartedly acknowledged she was on thin ice. then bode miller says the reason an austrian skier was struggling it's historically very challenging to race on world cup with a family or after being married. not to blame spouses but i just want to toss that out there that it could be her husband's fault. finally, who can forget elizabeth swaney, the california girl who competed on the hungarian freestyle ski team.
she was hardly olympic caliber not doing any tricks and finishing dead last by a long shot. she made the team by gaming the system and exploiting loopholes in the rules. some considered her appearance harmless. others say she made a mockery of the games. by the way she a harvard grad who ran against arnold schwarzenegger for governor back in the day. >> martha: trace, thank you. here with more marc thiessen american enterprise corinther and scholar and -- good to see you tonight. >> good evening. good to be with you, martha. >> martha: can they regain their former glory? >> i think the olympics are still great. and, look, some of the coverage has been awful, especially the fawning over north korea. and, yes, there is corruption. the fact that the russians are even there after that doping scandal that he would discussed a few months ago at the 2014 sochi games is awful. but the reality is the olympics aren't about the commentators. they are not about the organizers. they are about the athletes.
it's about the stories. it's the abc news that you mentioned, the thrill of victory and agony of defeat. >> martha: sports. >> exactly. lindsey vonn in some case. figure skaters who fell. then we had last night the thrill of victory. i stayed up with my kids until 2:30 in the morning watching the u.s. women win that gold medal against canada, the redemption after they were meddle minutes away from the gold medal in sochi and lost it and come back and win that you know, there is that snowboarder redd garrard who said he hadn't even heard of the olympics as a kid. 12 years old, hockey player, she dreams of being on that team one day. >> martha: good for her. i hope she is. we will all go watch her. jared, the snowboard culture is so different and redd garrard ohio thought was awesome. we featured him the night he won his gold. you know, he comes from a whole different world. >> snowboarding is where the united states has excelled better than any other event
at the olympics. in fact, 10 of our 21 medals so far for team u.s.a. have either come snowboarding or freestyle skiing which is very much like snowboarding. this is a sport americans excel in very much like skateboarding. isn't it interesting that the u.s. does excel at this. because aren't we the ultimate look at me capital of the world you? think of all the selfies and sports we do excel at: never more acceptable thrit today. we can look at it across sports. i agree, i think, martha, that we have different controversies at every olympics. whether it be from doping or negative stories as a sports fan, what i am starting to miss is a sense of nationalism. we have too many athletes who are competing for countries that they are not necessarily from. a woman who sont jamaican bobsled team. she competed for before the american bobsled team. >> martha: how can that happen? >> also that snowboarder she is not from hungary, she has a maternal grand parent from hungary and is a america.
we are routing for the jerusalemy, the uniform. i want to be rooting for the athlete and know that they're who they're. >> martha: i love the winter olympics, especially. i have always enjoyed them. one thing it's difficult. it's hard to watch. last night i was trying to find out ohio how lindsey vonn did and if -- medalled. the time change is so dramatic. we have olympics in asia three times in a row. some people think that whole part of it is rigged too marc as well. quickly. >> oh, absolutely. i mean, look, it is a 14-hour time difference. not a lot of people were staying up until 2:30 in the morning with the thiessen family watching the game last night. >> martha: i admire that. >> if the game was playing at 6:00 a.m. or 7:00 p.m. change the time zone would would help. >> martha: a quick break. more "the story" when we come back. was so peaceful. until... it... wasn't. don't let type 2 diabetes get between you and your heart. because your risk of heart attack or stroke
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