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tragedy that happened with the slain police officers in dallas and baton rouge. >> bret: we are definitely pro hug on "special report" as well. thank you for inviting us into your house tonight. fair, balanced, and unafraid. "the story," hosted by my colleague and friend martha maccallum. >> martha: we could all use a hug from that little girl. thank you, bret created breaking tonight on "the story" ," strong signals that they do not fear ts the investigation continues. in a moment, congressman peter king will join us. the first indicator investigative pushback on the heels of presidential tweets urging action. attorney general jeff sessions announcing today he is investigating investigations of fisa abuse under the obama administration now. >> we believe that the
department of justice must adhere to high standards in the fisa courts and, yes, it will be investigated. >> martha: and with hicks on capitol hill, the president with the spotlight with a bold announcement, his intention to run in 2020, another sign that they are not concerned about collusion accusations, perhaps. working with facebook and twitter and google to target voters that he was investigating himself by the mueller probe about a possible connection between his data machine and russia will now lead the trump 2020 team. in moments, former deputy campaign manager joins me on that. plus jonathan turley on the illegal potential implications here, first, onef the men at the center of interviewing hope hick onef the top advisors, peter king. good to see you. >> thank you very much. spoon tell us the scope of what hope hicks has been willing to
answer questions about today. >> my understanding was that hope hicks would be willing to answer everything, but the white house had their own questions up to the end of the campaign, and that was really the scope of the hearing, then they said no questions after inauguration because if she would have been an employee in the white house, and later there was a negotiation, and understanding that she would answer very key questions about the transition period, specifically regarding general flynn. anything at all pertinent to russia, and my understanding is, she has it. the testimony i thought was exceptional. she answered in excruciating detail every question about the campaign, every allegation at all of anything involving george papadopoulos or carter page or any russian influence or collusion or any type of cooperation between the trump campaign and russia as far as i
was concerned in any rational observer. she can point to all of that. that she did an exceptional job. she was still going a few minutes ago. she was there for nine hours. nine hours of questions, many of them tedious, many of them repetitive. >> martha: let me ask you something, congressman king. we got the indication that one of the focuses that robert mueller is looking at with regard to advisor hope hicks is, after the june 2016 trump tower meeting that don jr., donald trump jr. had with others, that after that, when that story broke, that there was an effort on air force one between the president, some of his advisors, hope hicks was there, to craft a response to that, that's mueller is very interested in that, that she thinks there might be some obstruction in that meeting. did she answer any questions on that? >> that is in the period after the inauguration, i believe that
this is but the white house intends to claim executive privilege in the future they wanted to preserve the record. this is something many presidents do, the whole idea of executive privilege. if she has any questions about her service in the white house after january 20th of last year -- >> martha: is it your understanding, congressman, that that was also the case when she testified in front of the senate and also the case when she testified to the mueller committee? >> as far as the meal investigation, she wouldn't talk about that at all, which is the right thing. it should not be talked about. any conversation she had about the criminal investigation, as far as the senate, my understanding is that she only spoke about the period during the transition, she did not go beyond january 20th. that is my today she did testify to us similar as how she did before the senate, she did answer all questions that we asked her. these are questions from the white house that she wanted to answer them involving general flynn, involving the russian ambassador, involving
conversations about mar-a-lago. >> martha: to do learn about general flynn? history has been back in the news now. >> basically she was just giving it from her perspective, that basically -- i can't go into detail. basically that when she was questioned about general flynn, she basically told him to speak with a reporter, and happened after that, she was not familia familiar. what she got, she passed out the general flynn. >> martha: i do want to sqls about the nsa director mike rogers spoke at a hearing today and he talked about the issue of russian meddling and whether or not the white house has been aggressive enough in asking him to pursue it, to add resources to making sure it doesn't happen again when we get to the midterms. here he is. >> have you been directed to do so given the strategic threat that face the united states? >> no, i have not. >> when to agree with me that
the president himself is aware of these attacks and should give you that additional authority? >> i think the president -- sir, i'm not going to tell the president what he should or should not do. >> and paying a price for mailing in the 2016 election? >> if they haven't paid a price, sufficient to get them to change their behavior. >> martha: what do you make of that? >> i don't think the president has to tell mike rogers what he has to do. i would say that out of the ordinary job, try to stop and try to report back to congress. i have not heard them saying they need more authority or more direction. i do know that the department of homeland security, they are working with state and local governments as far as any type of interference with the ballot boxes or the machines. as far as other than that, you know, not everything gets done, is spoken about, not everything that would be done by
intelligence personnel is spoken about. i think the united states is going to do all it can and tends to do all it can, whatever it can to make sure that whatever the russians did in 2016, they're not going to do again. >> martha: sarah huckabee sanders pushed back and said that they have added $44 million to the budget to work on cyber issues and indicated that they feel that they are doing a lot in that regard spades congressman, thank you very much. a busy day for you. we appreciate you being here. >> hope hicks answered every question in an exceptional way. >> martha: let me ask you one last question. any talk of a subpoena for her for the information she was not going to talk about? >> the democrats are talking about it. i don't think it's going to go for not very far. >> martha: pete kin thank you. my next guest, jonathan turley, has been throwing cold water on the collusion narrative throughout this morning. he was on tv on another network and to get some pushback on that. >> i will point out respectfully one potential logical hole in
the case of the professor makes, which is, well, if popular hadn't said something, does that mean it hadn't happened? a lot of questions about the event, what's been charged, and what ultimately will be determined. stu and jonathan turley joins me know, constitutional law attorney and professor at george washington law school and a friend and frequent visitor on "the story." jonathan, good to see you tonight. first of all, that back and forth, do you feel like that was a fair trial study you? >> well, i didn't take it personally, his point is a good one, there can be evidence that comes out later. i actually stated that more evidence could come forward. i was speaking of the evidence available at the time. he was referring to a tree to the president had sent out that quoted me saying that i was skeptical about collusion based on the evidence that we know. and so it was somewhat ironic to hear, you know, this doesn't
mean that if mueller doesn't have something else. well, of course it doesn't. but the lack of knowing that hasn't stopped many people from arguing that there is a lead pipe cinch of a case of collusion or that there is bombshell evidence out there establishing collusion. i don't see that. i have a column out today in "the hill" that goes through all of the alleged evidence of collusion, and it just doesn't hold together very well. this is not particularly compelling evidence, and it is, indeed, quite implausible. when you look at the dates and look at what the meetings were at the trump tower, a meeting involving papadopoulos, please don't really fit a very convincing narrative of collusion. yes, mueller might have pictures of eight shirtless putin in the oval office, but he might not. >> martha: picking up little objects on the shelf and talking into them? >> that's right.
>> martha: [laughs] as you point out, the collusion narrative has been hinged primarily on the two meetings, the june 2016 meeting that i referenced a moment ago with congressman king between donald trump jr. and some people who had promised, we might have centered on hillary, is that collusion? >> the interesting thing about the trump tower meetings, i never understood by people like adam schiff who pointed that as potential evidence of collusion, if anything it seems to run against that narrative. the russians used an acquaintance, and music promoter, to get a meeting with donald trump jr. on the promise of giving evidence of legal contributions to the clinton campaign. they didn't limit the meeting. they held her trump tower where there was an army of reporters downstairs. does that sound like a russian into operation? because it's not very convincing. it's not very convincing that the russians have a top >> top secret, you know, conspiracy. going to reveal it to donald
junior at -- >> martha: we know they were part of a lobbying effort to get rid of the making and ski act, and it seems pretty clear from the way it played out that we might have some dirt for you, then they went in hard with that act issue, pretty hard to figure out where the collusion took play in that. what about this statement that was drafted on air force one, that they obviously wanted to know more about, clearly something that robert mueller is interested in. with helping to craft the response to what happened in the june 26 to june 2016 meeting, without help at all? >> obviously act likes that -- acts like that can be part of mosaic that shows obstruction, but it also can be the most obvious thing which is an effort to spin a controversy.
presidents often take an active role in trying to shape the narrative. these are often type a personalities that try to direct events. could it be obstruction or part of that? sure. but adults could be the most obvious explanation, which is, trump was trying to control the controversy and control the narrative. should he have done it? no. but that doesn't make it obstruction. >> martha: jonathan turley, always interesting to hear your take. thank you very much. good to see you tonight. >> thanks. >> martha: so with the trump 2020 announcement tells us aboue concerned the white house really is about all of this. david bossie was a trump 2016 david manager, deputy campaign manager, and he has some exclusive insight on the choice is now being made for 2020 next. >> got a lot to do in the building still. >> and got a reelection in four years, right
there, and she is done for the the day. hope hicks as she left the building just moments ago. >> we had a data team on staff to help analyze that data. that is part of the strategy. we wanted to make sure the people in america so the parts of the things they would love about donald trump and know that he would be a great president for this country. >> martha: brad parscale on this show, the social media who helped target voters in florida and wisconsin. today, president trump 19 campaign manager for the 2020 campaign. what is team trump trying to tell us that move among other things? here now, david massey, deputy campaign manager and a fox news contributor. good to see it. did you want the job? >> [laughs] not even a little bit. >> martha: you don't want to go back in there? >> book, i am happy, very happy
helping the president right now, and i'm glad that brad is leading the team. >> martha: what does the pick of bread tell you about the way the president is approaching 2020? >> come i think it is with a very serious mind, that brad was part of the winning team that was the 2016 election, the president is going to count on brad to put together a tremendous operation and lead us not just into 2028 but this year. the midterms of 2018 are going to play a pivotal role leading into 2020. i think that's why the president made this decision and announced it today, to say there is going to be another player, meaning the trump reelect, on the table. and that we are going to be bringing all of these elements to bear to the 2018 reelect. >> martha: i have to ask about
jared kushner. he was brought onto the campaign by jared kushner. kushner had a bit of a rough day. his security clearance was lowered and there is a story tonight in "the washington post" which claims that several countries have claimed they feel he is somewhat compromised that they questioned his ability to carry out the duties of the white house. what do you make of all that, david? >> first of all, yes, jared brought brad and, if that's what you are asking. but jared is a tremendous patriot, he is a tremendous american who has been serving this president for the last year or more now in the white house. and certainly there is going to be this issue with the security clearance, but i don't see that as a long-term problem. going to the process just like anyone else. but what he is doing on innovation in america, jared is
a great person to have in there. he is an incredibly smart, incredibly dedicated person to this president, and i think that this president counts on jared for his leadership on these issues. >> martha: you don't think there is a schism within the white house that people are leaking information it makes him look bad, you don't buy into that? >> we have had this issue for over a year in this white house, we have had it in previous white houses. i can't speak to where this information comes from. i just speak to who jared kushner is, and he is a great person that is working with general kelly every day to make president trump's agenda succeed and make america great again. >> martha: david bossie, always good to see you. thank you very much. here now, katrina pierson, spokesperson for america first, former spokesperson for the trump 2016 campaign, and former dnc warm director and hillary clinton presidential
campaign lead, up against each other and 2016. now we are talking 2020 because the president has already announced that he absolutely will run. first of all, katrina, did you ever doubt that the president would run? you look even at steve bannon, said, oh, 30% chance the president will run in 2020. >> no, arthur. there has never been a doubt in my mind. the president is committed to making america great again. he knows he can't get it done in one term. i am thrilled that brad parscale is going to be the campaign manager. i'm very close with brad. we became very good friends during the primary. we were on team trump before so many other people were. he is absolutely best man for the job. in 2020 when you president trump out fronts and brad parscale in the back, it is going to be promises made, promises kept. >> martha: it is fascinating to look at the possible landscape for this, when you go through people, nate silver,
saying they can easily c, or all that has been thrown at this president, they can easily see a scenario where he could win again. >> absolutely, i think that is especially true given me no depressions are once again -- >> martha: you think will be the russians -- >> i think the russians played a significant role and it will play a significant role in 2020. which is why i think brad parscale is such an interesting choice for this. he put together a digital campaign that was copied by the russians, did basically the exact same thing, targeted the same battleground space, targeted to suppress minority voters, ran an ad campaign, it was a huge multimillion dollar operation. >> martha: i mean, that is why made the point earlier, katrina, that brad parscale was interviewed, because some of what he was doing seem so close to what we were hearing they
were doing, although it appears that he did it better and, in fact, did it quite well. i think it is quite interesting that the trump campaign at this early stage says, yep, he is our guide. to me, that says they are not worried about any potential connection he may have had. >> oh, absolutely not, martha. anyone with an internet connection can set up a facebook account and can tweet. that is simply all this is. brad parscale is a digital genius. he has a marketing backgund, hi own company, he has been doing this for a very long time. if that' the case, zac, the dnc should be in pretty good shape considering they were the ones actually working with christopher steele and writing up fake dossiers and actually working with the russians. you guys are in pretty good shape. >> that's been argued about 1,000 times. what is true -- >> not yet, zac. not yet, zac. >> martha: i want to ask about one more topic. the judge back in the news today, essentially made a ruling
against the environmental complaints against the wall, paving the way for the wall, this is someone who had a little bit of a dustup with president trump back in may of 2016, watch this. >> i have a judge who is a hater of donald trump, a hater. he is a hater. his name is gonzalo curiel. and he is not doing the right thing. they ought to look into judge curiel, because what judge curiel is doing is a total disgrace. >> martha: katrina, what do you think president trump thinks about judge curiel denied? >> i think they are two different circumstances, but in this case, judge curiel is absolutely right. he cited section 102, which gives the executive branch the authority to bills build theses of fences. i applaud him tonight.
>> donald trump said that judge curiel was not qualified to roll because he is of mexican heritage, and this proves that donald trump is a racist. >> absolutely not, zac. two separate things. a personal case -- in the decision, judge curiel said, -- >> martha: clearly from the midwest. >> apparently mexican americans can judge correctly. >> martha: thanks, guys. thank you, guys, good to see. coming up tonight, a new college class that is called "trump: conviction, impeachment, removal?" are those the only options? and asking if this is a far bigger threat to us?
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>> martha: president xi's powers increasingly concerning. as the chinese communist party scraps term limits, it is a move that the new york "the new yorh xi on the grip of strongmen, authoritarian figures like egypt's al-sisi with the whole world watching what is developing here with trepidation. trace gallagher joins us now from our west coast newsroom with the back story tonight. hi, trace. >> hi, martha. not like china was moving towards being a democracy even with presidential term limits. china still a one-party state that exerts an enormous control political dissent, economy, and even with term limits, president xi jinping was referred to as the chairman of everything because it's not just the head of state, also general secretary of the communist party and heads head of numerous committees and
leader groups. the party has elevated xi to the same status as chairman mao. remember, mike mao zedong was condemned for massive repression and the y dismantling of religious and cultural artifacts. mao died in 1976. his successor implemented term limits. inside china, it is unclear how much opposition there is describing term limits because the country's internet sensors are reportedly deleting critical comments, but a well-known chinese journalist and former editor have penned an open letter saying this proposal will sow the seeds of chaos, quoting here, "is a chinese citizen, i have to fulfill my responsibility until the delegates my opinion. i don't care what these delegates will do. it is not like the whole country agrees with the amendment, but everyone has been silenced." the reaction from world leaders
has been more muted, and experts say that is likely because the world does not want to promote instability in a nation that contains one fifth of the world's population. but the head of the u.s. pacific command says that by taking control of small islands in the south china sea, china's intent is clear. watch. >> china is attempting to assert effective sovereignty over disputed maritime features by further notarizing its man-made bases to this very day. china's impressive military buildup could soon challenge the united states across almost every domain. >> and president mao has made it clear he wants his company my country to develop a world-class military. xi is 64 years old and could be in power for decades. martha? >> martha: here now with more, more than three decades of public service, military officer, also the author of "direct force." good to see you tonight,
anthony, thank you for being here, general . so first the issue that there is a growing number of authoritarian leaders in various counies throughout the world. does that put us in a pre-world war ii environment? >> i think it might come up martha. i think what we really have to look at is the past nine years, starting about nine years ago when president obama got elected. he had graduated from the jeremiah wright school of foreign policy, a weaker america makes for a stronger world. so he dealt with our adversaries in that fashion and in such a way that we were no longer, in my opinion, reagan's shining city on the hill and a beacon of freedom and democracy for others to view and aspire to be. so what president obama, what a feckless security staff did, was
level the playing field so that there were no hills. a good example is, dealing directly with iran on nuclear weapons, who weren't supposed to have nuclear weapons, we just dealt with them as if they were a here. you've got china, north korea, russia, iran, egypt, all of these regimes now taking on more authoritarian terms because, under the obama administration, we created a power vacuum because we gave away our superpower abilities. and now what you have seen with president trump is reasserting american hedging and hegemony. >> martha: trace pointed out it there is not much you can do. you look at the expansion in the south china sea, 1 billion people, you don't necessarily want to destabilize that
government. i think about the person who expressed their dissent to his decision to be an endless authoritarian figure in china. i don't know what's going to happen to that person. it's not an environment where there is much that the united states can do to counter this, is there? >> there is always that give and take. their economy, martha, relies a lot on our economy and vice versa. there is an interdependence there. we have to deal with china, we will deal with china. in preparation for this segment, i reread the national security strategy that the president's team put out in december, it clearly identifies china and russia as competitors that are trying to take on more totalitarian roles with their people to fight of people and free markets and to suppress their people and grow their military so they can be more pure competitors. it is in the wake of this
foreign policy in the past. so what we need to do now is stand up to these countries and make sure they understand that we are here. we have been skirmishing with them for a long time. >> martha: no doubt they want to be the superpower of the world and they want to replace us. they say as much. that is very clear. general tata, good to see you, thank you for your time. so after calling general pence mentally ill for her to make his beliefs, joyce behar is at it again. are there going to be ramifications for her internetwork? plus, as the nation debates have more gun laws. school shootings, one governor says nothing is being done to address the violent nature of the culture that we live in. kentucky governor matt bevin's spoke eloquently about this at
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shooting as rick scott laid out a $500 million plan that he says he will work on every single dae the schools in florida safe. my next guest says seeds to make these safety measures are worth discussing but they're not getting to the heart of the problem, or perhaps they are in addition to the problem. he laid out directly for president trump, when the governors gathered yesterday at the white house. watch this. >> when we mock and ridicule the very foundational principles of this nation was built upon, when you treat people the way you want to be treated, when you respect human life, when you respect the dignity of women and of children and of people who we have increasingly degraded in our society, this culture of death is becoming pervasive, and if it's not addressed by all the imperfect people in this room with a sense of purpose and a sense of aspiration, i think we're going to see a continued trajectory that's not good.
>> martha: florida shooting hitting particularly close to him for the kentucky governor just last month in his state a 15-year-old walked into eight high school and killed two of his classmates. republican governor matt bevin from kentucky, welcome back to "the story," good to see you tonight. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: you believe that in order to get to the heart of this matter, a lot of discussion about gun-control, mental health, that we need to really regroup and where we are headed as a society as a whole. how do you do that? >> is not easily done. i'll tell you, there is no easy fix. that's the most difficult thing. it's why so many people are quick to ridicule and disregard this conversation. but how do you do it? you do with one person at a time. this is literally a call out to every single parent in america, every teacher in america, to every coach, to every sunday school, to every organization, every single scout leader. i'm asking every adult in america to look for the young
people in your life, and if you're not doing enough to protect them, to protect their physical security, their emotional security, to protect their innocence, and i'm asking you to step up and do more, because societally, it is the responsibility of the adults, those of us who are in a position to do more, to protect our young people, we're not doing a good job of it. >> martha: you talk about the fact that there've always been guns in america but there haven't always been these horrific vicious and possible understand killings by children of other children. what has changed? >> we have become rudderless as a society. you take the culture of life or death however you want to look at it, do we celebrate life? or do we celebrate death in this culture? again, this is a heavy, heavy topic. you look at musical lyrics, you look at video games, you look at the television programming and the movies and how increasingly
violated how increasingly realistic they are desensitizing our young people and there were adults, for that matter, to the value and the sanctity of human life. again, without going off on a topic that will get people's hair on end, we in this society, for the last 40 year years, have told people it's okay to kill a child if it's not yet born. 50 plus million children have been killed. in multiple states, we allow doctors to assist people medically, doctors haveen a hippocratic oath, to help people take their lives, assisted suicide by doctors. that, coupled with the fact that so many people in america, including our youth, are on psychotropic drugs which literally are altering their metronomic mental state, the side effect of width is, on so many meat, depression and suicidal thoughts. you mix all that together, you look at the studies that have been done one after the next, the impact of a personal device on the screen time and what that does to the psyche, all of these
things are crushing the spirit and the psyche of our young people. as parents, turn the tv off. you don't need your children to have cell phones. pour into your children. america has got to wake up. governors and presidents and everybody in political office and those of you who have the power of the media to wake up and protect our young people, because we are reaping what we have sown. >> martha: i think you make excellent points about phones and social media and the impact. i don't think we have even begun to understand the impact of that. when you look at this kid, he had four instagram accounts and he was putting pictures of his guns -- which i see is a cry for help. i mean, he wanted somebody to stop him. he even called 911 and said, i lost my mother recently and i am in trouble. and the fact that -- we've talked too much about all the signs that were there. it's just mind-blowing. >> and you know this. when we look in the rearview mirror, it's always easy to have
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>> martha: a public university in california is offering a new course focused on removing president trump from office. starting next month, criminal justice students at san diego state university can take a class called a "trump: impeachment, removal or conviction." the university insists that this is a weekend course -- not sure whether it makes a difference -- and that it is not funded by public tax dollars, which is of interest. here now, mollie hemingway, senior editor at "the federalist," and a professor and political commentator. welcome to both of you this evening. those are the three choices, tt you get if you enroll in that class. >> not surprising. i'm wonder for these college students, is it really worth going into debt over, is this the type of thing that will prepare you to go into the real
world? we have problems with kids not being able to get jobs out of college and this is what you're seeing. you have this replacing of learning naked politics. adults used to spend college time teaching students what they need to know to become good members of society, now it seems they're pandering to whatever kids are goofing off about, televisions series, video games, whatever it is that is happening. >> martha: wendy, what do you think? >> as a professor, our job is not just to educate students about what is they want to learn but also what may pique their curiosity. educators, there have been courses through history that talk about presidents and talk about things that are intrinsically woven with the presidency. during obama's presidency there were lots of close to my courses that exempt obama to pop, obama and the urban community, and with trump all you hear on tv and the media is trump and impeachment. again, this does not mean that the university believes -- >> martha: buys the university
giving into all they hear on tv? why is there no class, "trump: why he won?" >> yeah, that's american history 101. in universities, we have to have a course that discusses this so students are able to learn from it. this does not indoctrinate them in any way, it talks about having to deal with impeachment. that is the goal of this course. >> it's also about helping students cope with reality. a lot of what we experience the last year, people unable to do with the reality that donald trump won the election. they talk about impeachment, a lot about the 25th amendment, this idea that they can somehow take care of what wasn't taken care of by the voters. that is the entire problem with people's inability to come to terms with this, people were sick of the elites telling other people what they needed to believe or what they needed to do. the voters to have a say in how this country is run. students should learn to
understand that better than be led by the moment. >> martha: what about mollie's initial claim that, we are not educating our students in a way that is going to be truly useful to them when they leave? >> i reject that premise. we are educating the students, our students are graduating at higher rates and entering the workforce more prepared than any other group of students. it's not just because of your view that you can say it is useful to you or not. the courses can speak to democrats, republicans, and it is an elective course, not a required course. we have to underscore that. students take wrestling, dance, anything they want to. if they want to learn about the impeachment process and about our government and vocal systems. >> martha: mollie, final thought? >> universities have had this credibility that wasn't viewed upon them by previous generations of students, and they are losing that credibility. it is becoming a serious problem. they say, this course isn't taxpayer-funded, but a lot a lot
are, and it is a problem. >> martha: wendy and mollie, thank you. good to see you both. thanks for coming. all right, so former president bill clinton paid tribute to the late reverend billy graham. we'll show you what he had to say. very interesting. next. it's absolute confidence in 30,000 precision parts. or it isn't. it's inspected by mercedes-benz factory-trained technicians. or it isn't. it's backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isn't.
>> martha: tomorrow, the late reverend billy graham will become the fourth person to lie in the rotunda, other includes rosa parks in the capitol police officer who was killed on the line of duty. today, mourners including bill clinton paid their respects as he rested, where clinton offered this assessment of religion's role in politics. it is our quote of the night. >> if you are a preacher, have to be careful, i agree with tha that. don't forget, those who are christians believe in a god of
second chances, and politicians need that more than anyone else. >> martha: we will be back here tomorrow night with more of "the story." that is our "the story" for tonight. tucker carlson coming up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." rahm emanuel may be a democrat in one of the most democratic cities in the world, but that doesn't mean he is popular there. this city of chicago was falling apart in a lot of ways, it is deeply in debt, over 50 billion in debt. 650 murders there last year, most of the schools are genuinely terrible. he would not sign your own kids under any circumstances. not surprisingly, polls of chicago voters from last year showed rahm emanuel's approval rating at about 25%, with numbers like that, there is no chance he will be reelected next year.