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market and buy and sell guns and make arrests of the folks that are in there doing it illegally. >> we have to be very tough on the black market. >> exactly. >> mr. president, i represent central florida. i think in the aftermath of these types of tragedies, the american people want to see decollected heres do something. i'm heartened -- >> and this didn't happened after pulse. how bad was pulse. nothing happened? >> thank you for bringing us together. i've heard a number of ideas. i wanted to present one that i haven't heard yet. i have a bipartisan bill to remove the sticky amendment which has prevented the last couple decades the cdc and other federal agencies from researching gun violence. i think that your secretary of hhs has said that he thinks we should research gun violence. it's a key piece, having fast
and scientific data is a key piece in helping us address this national public health issue. so i would hope that, you know, we as lawmakers can have opinions about policies, but we should all have good sets of facts. it's an easy fix. we just have to strike one sentence in the existing law to enable us to conduct a research that is much needed. >> thank you very much. are -- maybe we'll sum up quickly. do you want to go quickly? >> i do. only because she brought this. this is a bracelet that marjory stoneman douglas has been selling back home. i want to give it to you. because i want this to be the last one of these that we ever have to have. >> good. i like that. >> if we can do universal background checks and ban bump stocks and increase the age to 21 and do it now and show the american people and my
constituents, the people in parkland, the grieving families and students we're ready to act, they'll feel better and you can get this done, mr. president. >> thank you very much. thanks. thank you. so if i could sum up. chris and john, pat, joe, maybe you can get together. you'll start it from that standpoint. other people, diane, you have some very good ideas. we all have -- marco, you have a lot. if you can get together and we can put in one great piece of legislation. church, i think that you will have an amazing result in the vote. the votes are hard to get in congress. you'll have an amazing result. people will be shocked. it's not going to be 60. it's going to be way above 60. maybe a nobody that nobody would believe. people want to see something happen. but they want to see something good happen.
you didn't pass anything let alone some good stuff. we want to pass something great. to me something great has to be where you stop it from happening. there's only one way. again, if you feel not to have that, you understand, i want a very strong counter punch. if you have a strong counter punch, you're not going in and you're not going to have this problem anymore. remember the 98% figure. 98%, gun-free zones. no backlash. no death to them. death to everybody else. if you four can do something, maybe set the foundation, add to the foundation some of the great things said, we would have a bill -- steve, it's very hard to add. the one thing you'd want, i'm a fan. let's consider for a separate bill. we'll consider it for a separate bill. but again, we also want things that can be approved.
you have to look at the age of 21 for certain types of weapons. some people won't like it. you have to look at that seriously. i think we're going to have a vote. i think it's going to be a successful vote and i will sign it. i will call whoever you want me to. i like what you're doing already. but you can add to it. you have to be very, very powerful on background checks. don't be shy. very strong on mentally ill. you have to be very strong on that. don't worry about bump stocks. we're getting rid of it. don't complicate the bill by adding another two paragraphs. we're getting rid of it. i'll do it myself. because i am able to. we can do that without going through congress. so if the four of you can work together and come up with some beautiful foundation, add and subtract to it, put it for a vote, let's get it done. that's what we have to do. >> mr. president, what do we do about weapons of war easily
accessible on our streets? >> what you have to do is discuss it with anybody. it's a very complex solution. you do. you have weapons on the street? that's what we're talking about with black markets. the problem, diane, is that these are where somebody hand you a gun -- >> oh, no. you can go into a store and buy an ar 15. you can buy a tech 9. you can buy all of these weapons. >> this is what you have to discuss. joe and pat, you have to discuss that. you'll sit down with diane and everybody else and you'll come up with something. i think -- i really believe it has to be strong. i'd rather have you come down on the strong side than the weak side. the weak side would be easier. i'd rather have you come up with a strong, strong bill. really strong on background checks. with that, i will end it. but i want to thank everybody. i really believe we're on the
road to something terrific. thank you all very much. thank you. thank you very much. >> neil: you have been witnessing something most unusual, my friends. welcome. i'm neil cavuto. you're watching "your world." the president again in a tour deforce performance listening to democrats and republicans and giving zingers back and forth. and peeving off both sides often at the same time with the same senators congressmen and women. that is leadership. these are examples of it just now. >> it doesn't make sense that i have to wait till i'm 21 to get a handgun but i can get this weapon at 18. i'm curious as to what you did in your bill. >> we didn't address it. >> you know what? because you're afraid of the nra. it's a big issue right now.
>> you're right. >> neil: all right. back and forth it went. that is an indication of leadership. staying focused on an issue, zinging both sides. this is not, embarrassing your attorney general lu tweets and ribbing shots like this. why is a.d. jeff sessions asking the inspector general to investigate potentially massive fisa reviews? it will take however and has no power and already late with reports on comey and et cetera? isn't the i.g. and obama guy? why not use the justice department lawyers. disgraceful. what he was doing there is saying the guy on his team, his beleaguered attorney general against whom he has had multiple such tweets and zingers. that's what he does to someone on his side. that's what he does to so many in his parties. there's ways to do this and not to do this. taking on pat toomey on guns? that's a good way to do it.
taking on your own cabinet official and humiliating him internationally on twitter no less, maybe that's not the way to do it. hence the conundrum that is president donald trump. john roberts at the white house following both presidents. john? >> good afternoon to you, neil. yeah, you wonder how much more can jeff sessions fake. he was taking it on the chin from the president last spring and last summer in the fall and now to the winter and the president getting backup from jerry fallwell jr. that suggested that sessions is in a coward. this prompted sessions to pull back. for the most part, he's taken it on the chin or turned the other cheek. sessions says he's initiated the process to ensure complaints about the process will be fully and fairly acted upon. he goes on to say as long as i am the attorney general, i will
continue to discharge my duties with integrity and honor. so we'll see where the sessions things goes. that's all dealing with the russia investigation. the inspector general's investigation that the doj has launched and response to fisa abuses and the rebuttal to it. what i thought was interesting today is when the president looked at steve scalise and said, you know i love you, but if you try to put this idea of conceal carry reciprocity in the bill, it won't get passed. the president has got a whole series of measures that he's going to unveil tomorrow. fox news exclusively has obtained some of those details. he will voice support for the cornyn murder by bill and the stop school violence bill. we know that the president in the past has supported this idea of raising the minimum age for buying a long rifle from 18 to
21. seemed to back off on that over recent days but he will include that. in addition, he will seek by executive action ban bump stocks. he's going to take more actions expanding dhs program to stop school violence, fix the fbi tipster program and encourage more states to create laws for extreme risk protective orders. so if somebody threatens themselves or others, family or law enforcement can go to court to take away their weapons. he's going to put meat on the bones of arming certain members of faculty and staff by proposing federal grants or a federal training program to help get that done. big announcement coming from the white house on the series of policy proposals to make schools safer and to increase gun safety. we'll watch for that for you tomorrow, neil. >> thanks, john roberts. thanks very much. so again, sort of a tale of two
different presidents with the gun issue and trying to get both parties on his side and then the dust-up with jeff sessions. it's a question i raised with the attorney general's old colleague, as to why jeff sessions puts up with it. >> you need the support of the president when you're the attorney general and is tech state or the treasury secretary. >> sessions doesn't have it. >> absolutely. and you know, loyalty is a double edge sword. if the president is loyal to him and vice versa, you have a smooth relationship. you have a troubled relationship and you have for a long time. i listened to your program a minute ago. i do believe that sessions had no option other than to recuse himself from the trump investigation. i do -- >> neil: most common thinking,
ethically right men and women would concur with that. it's over. it's done. but he's held this grudge since. i can understand he's frustrated. hi felt like that lead to a chain of events and here we are. >> where we are right now, but i also believe that when the special prosecutor was appointed by the deputy attorney general to investigate the trump campaign, that would have been an opportune tune to investigate the clintons and the meeting with the attorney general of the united states and the former president of the united states should have been done a year ago. >> a lot of things that could have and should have happened. i'm wondering what happens now. if you're jeff sessions, why do you stay in office?
why do you stay attorney general? >> would you? if it were you, senator, in that capacity, would you stay? would you be humiliated and happily humiliated day in and day out? >> i wouldn't stay at all unless the president wanted me to stay, if he appointed me. i wouldn't be under anybody's -- i wouldn't be anybody's whipping boy. the president is saying you don't have any confidence swinging in me. that is jeff's challenge right now. what he wants to do and how he does it. he's a good man. he's going through a lot and he has a lot of challenges. >> neil: is there a spill-over effect of this? some of your colleagues that feel, wow, this is how he's treating a member of his own cabinet and whatever you think of the wisdom of what he's saying or what -- why jeff sessions did what he did when things started or looking into this investigation now and the inspector general and et cetera.
you know, the great of god go i. so i'm thinking that this guy is like, you know, a machine gun. he's going to come after me next. what do you think? >> nobody knows. we all could speculate every day. ultimately it's up to whether the attorney general wants to stay in the job and be belittled by the president, his boss that put him there or does he want to leave. that's a decision she will have to make. >> neil: do you think it's having an effect on your legislative priorities or working or getting republicans to work on either gun legislation or safety legislation or any of the other infrastructure issues popping up? are they feeling the president could abandon them or that he won't be loyal if they go the extra mile? >> well, there's always the question, the people that propose things, will they be with you in the end? will they be with you when the going gets tough?
that's part of legislation that we deal with every day. we'll wait and see. >> neil: do you trust this president to do the right thing to his people, to working with those on capitol hill including yourself? >> well, i'd hope so. we all respect the office of the president. we want to appreciate what the president is doing and how he's doing it. i believe do believe he's made good decisions overall. look at our economy. a lot of the savings he's made and performance. loyalty is a two-way street in a cabinet position. we know that. i'm sure the president knows that and the people that take those jobs know that. >> neil: the judge is with us now. he thinks the president is right to criticize his attorney general. maybe just not the way he went about it i. >> well, i wish the president had picked up the phone and said jeff, here's how i'd like you to
do it. that's not this president's style. that was a great interview with senator shelby who knows senator sessions, attorney general sessions very well, far better than i know him. >> neil: are you surprised, judge? we touched on it before. that he's still sticking it out. >> yes. i am surprised. >> neil: why? we believe he's submitted two letters of resignation. both were rejected by the argument. the president's criticism today would be the impetus of a third one. i agree with you and i agree with senator shelby and the prevailing idea that he had too recuse himself. but it was known before he was appointed attorney general that the fbi and the doj were investigating russia influence. he probably should have said to then president-elect trump, i want this job more than anything else but i don't think i can do it because i think i'm going to
be a witness. that would have -- >> neil: he would have had to recuse himself and the president would have never have appointed him. >> yes. and all the president's angst that he feels to this moment would have gone away. >> neil: and that's been the bubbling cauldron. >> the i.g., the inspector general that has begun this investigation, whether or not doj regulations were violated. the i.g. is a good guy. he was there in the obama administration and there in the george w. bush administration. he's a straight shooter. but this investigation will delay the more serious one, which has teeth to it. an fbi doj investigation by eight or nine months to a year. that is what is frustrating to president. >> neil: don't question but you endure many of these from me. why would the president risk a situation where let's say he forces sessions out.
rod rosenstein would advance. the chances of getting a new attorney general approved any time soon, i don't think it would happen this year. but the environment would be beyond toxic. does he think that through? >> i do think he thinks that through. i think he understands that. i think the people around him understand that. i think general kelly understands it. i think don mcgann, a very bright lawyer who is the president's white house counsel understands that. i think the president's lawyers, his personal lawyers understand that. it would be a flash point and would provoke democrats and moderate republicans to wonder what is going on between the president's ears that he would fire an attorney general in an environment like this. especially an attorney general whose hands are clean. he may not be doing what the president wants, but there's no professional criticism of jeff sessions. >> neil: he must want this job to put up with this.
jeff sessions. or maybe he's just in over his head. >> i believe he's not in over his head. as i mentioned to you earlier this afternoon, i'm by temperament, experience and intellect and education he's absolutely qualified to be the attorney general but he gives the impression that he doesn't belong there or doesn't want to be there. >> so to all his underlingss do they wonder what is up? >> i believe do. i believe the underlings are running the office and giving policy speeches but not making the decisions to prosecute or not prosecute. the type of decisions that all of his predecessors have made. it gives that impression. i hope i'm wrong and i want him to succeed but the impression is out there. it's not just me. it's in the legal and judicial community at large. >> why if it looks possible and
i've heard the same reports that sessions has offered his resignation, why don't you think the president took him? >> because i think he knows it would be an explosion that he doesn't need. it would add to his political woes and would actually prior loose moderate republicans in the senate that are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, would start talking to the democrats about what are we going to do about this. >> neil: the residual damage is what? >> another impetus for impeachment. >> neil: would you put up with this if you were jeff sessions? >> i'd like to think i would but i don't know. there's limits to human enduran enduran endurance. >> neil: judge andrew napolitano. he's one of the best. he's says you're the italian getting the attention.
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>> neil: all right. the president making it clear he's still not too pleased with his attorney general. the question i have, why the attorney general still stays on. we're told he's offered a resignation a couple times. whatever the case, it's an awkward relationship. what is it about that job, the pressures or the conundrum that put jeff sessions? let's ask the form attorney general, mike mukasey. thanks for being here. >> good to be here. >> neil: what was it like working for president bush? did he ever have differences with you? did he ever say publicly anything bad about you? >> we had a couple differences. he never publicly said anything bad about me. whatever differences we had were resolved internally. he was, after all, the president. i lost a couple, i won a couple.
>> neil: did they get heated? you ever offer to resign? >> no. not nearly. >> neil: what do you think of this relationship? >> look, i'm not an expert on relationships. i'm a lawyer. >> neil: when the president is constantly second guessing you and he might be burnt -- angry about the attorney general recusing himself. but it's never, never calmed. this latest opinion of the president about the way sessions handled this fisa thing, what did you think about it? >> the president is wrong. he doesn't know his own interests. >> explain. >> the fact is the i.g. is the person that should investigate. >> neil: the inspector general. >> yes. >> neil: even though the president says that's an obama guy. >> obama guy my feet. he's straight as the edge of that table. he's a serious person who
investigates things on the merits. he's investigated other things on the merits that he will conclude when he concludes. mike horowitz is a suburb i.g. and every responsible person understands that. >> neil: we don't want to get to machinations -- >> you conduct an investigation of the sort that the president was talking and when there's evidence of a crime. there isn't. so there's no crime to investigate. the i.g. is the first to investigate whether rules and procedures were followed. if he unearths something that smacks of criminalality, there will be time to investigate it. >> neil: let's say jeff sessions were to leave, i can't deal with it, forced out -- >> he has job -- if there's anybody in this world that has job security, he does. the person that would succeed is rod rosenstein. >> neil: right. finding a successor, a permanent one, would take a long time. >> i'll say.
>> neil: so the legal fallout from this back and forth, it's never advisable to have a public dispute, but do you know at the justice department how this is all falling out? is it a big deal? are they used to it? >> neil: i don't know for a fact. i'm not there. i can't imagine it helps morale to heal about squalls going on at the department you work. but the attorney general and the people that work at the department that are serious-minded people do on a daily basis do what they should do, which is keep the heads down, do their jobs and try to call things the way they see them. as far as i know, that's what's doing on at the department now. certainly that's what jeff sessions is doing. >> neil: general, it's probably one of the toughest cabinet possessions, the attorney general. you're appointed by the president but you serve the people as do all cabinet secretaries. the legal issues come to forewhen the president doesn't think you're serving his
interests and you're acting against those interests. how did you handle that? what did you -- just about your day-to-day handling of the job? >> i handled it be i responding and making my case. i won a couple and a lost a couple. if the president tells you to do something and it's within the limits of the law, even if you think it's bad policy, you do it because the president wants policy. if it's outside the law, you want it. either the president fires you or you leave. i don't think we're at that point with attorney general sessions. what is going on is the public criticism which isn't good for anybody. >> why does it continue? would you put up with that? i know it's different with the president. would you put up with that? >> i can't put myself in jeff sessions place in this administration. this is very different from what it was like when i was there.
if the president had said something about me in public of the sort that this president has said about jeff sessions, it would indicate deep dissatisfaction. >> neil: and you'd offer your resignation. >> i would have taken it to heart. it would have been preceded by a great deal that i don't think preceded this. >> neil: a lot has been said that this president is new to the job. he doesn't know about the role of the attorney general, that he was trying to be, you know, doing anything illegal or anything else. >> but he read into this loyalty, this all about loyalty to the president. how do you juggle that as attorney general of the president of the united states, serving the united states? >> the a.g. is a member of the administration. you have to follow the policy of the administration. but his job is to advise the president on what the limited are of the law, what the law allows at both ends and the president makes the choices between those limits. i think president bush
understood that. the notion that somehow the a.g. is the president's lawyer is wrong. president has lawyers. the white -- >> neil: on this issue where sessions decided i'm going to have an i.g. handle this and the president was ticked off about it, you're saying this sessions was within his rights. this was the right route to take. >> it's the right route to take. it's also the correct route to take. >> neil: as it was in the beginning when he recused himself, he was in the legal there. two actions that president deems unacceptable. >> right. the answer is tough. >> neil: okay. attorney general, very good seeing you. hard to believe. it's been two weeks now, two weeks ago today that students in parkland were fleeing that school. what we've been learning since and how it could have been much, much worse. >> it was a very difficult day being back on campus. seeing the support of everybody
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>> neil: two weeks to the day after the attack went down. students in parkland, florida returning today. the read and how it went today from our own matt finn who joins us in parkland. matt? >> you can imagine how gut wrenching it is for the students and friends who saw their colleagues being murdered in necessary halls. today they had to return to finish the school year. we spoke to the district. the district said it's working with students and faculty who finds it too emotionally difficult to finish the year. about 25 people have requested to be located and the district says it's cooperating with them. today we spoke with a students that returns after the first time after the massacre and also a father whose daughter was murdered at stoneman douglas. here's what they had to say. >> a lot of my family saying i
don't want to go back. but coming back, it's amazing. >> she got murdered in the building over there. not just like brutally murdered. that officer didn't go in, my daughter was shot four times. he shot her another five times while on the floor. my daughter was holding a freshman. they got it on film. she covered a freshman. that animal brutally shot her five more times and killed the girl underneath my daughter, too. >> as if that father's account is not disturbing enough, there's new information about his rampage. cbs miami is reporting that the day nikolas cruz went on his ram page, he planned to use a vantage point on the third floor stairwell. he attended to make it a sniper's nest by shooting out the door window but it had a
hurricane proof window. the gun jammed. he abandoned the gun and fled the scene. governor scott is continuing his tour across florida trying to encourage lawmakers to vote yes on his $500 million massive plan. in that plan, he proposes that the state law be 21 years old to purchase again. the florida house has subpoenaed all responding law enforcement agencies for the day and the district for all information related to the massacre. there's a lot of rumors and allegations swirling here on the ground, neil, about law enforcement reaction that day. we're investigating it and now the florida house is as well. neil? >> neil: thank you very much, mat. very good reporting. in the meantime, i want to bring a florida republican state representative in. representative, thank you. i know you've been busy legisla.
another 1 1/2 weeks at that. you think this can be done? what the governor wants to do, what -- and agreed to it can be think will be done. we have seven or eight days left. as you can imagine, this is the top priority for both houses and the governor. we've been working around the clock to protect our schools throughout the state. we passed that through its first and only committee, the appropriated committee and i expect it on house floor. >> one of the features is getting more armed officers in schools. averaging one per 1,000 students in florida schools. given the experience that we're learning happened in this particular school where the deputy was outside the school and at least three others waited outside, does that worry you? that that doesn't necessarily mean you address the problem, especially if some of the
officers are the problem. >> i think that's right. that concerns every floridian and every parent who has a child in school, which is why we came up with the martial program which allows school personnel to go to training to become sworn law enforcement officers so while our sros on campus, the regular deputies may be if first line of defense, they're not the last line of defense. >> neil: thanks. we'll watch this closely. meantime, we're getting breaking news that hope hicks is resigning as the white house communications director. john roberts has more on this. what's going on, john? >> good afternoon. it's interesting spent ten hous with the house intelligence committee talking to them about everything they wanted to speak about the russia investigation. not answering a lot of questions that occurred after the president took office. i'm told that she just wanted the get that testimony behind her. this was in the works long before that. she has been one of the
president's closest advisers. she's been with him the past three years or so. to say that she almost operates as his right hand really is an understatement, i think. she worked with the trump organization in the past, working with ivanka and took on what was an unbelievably intense job during the campaign where she was for a long, long time literally an army of one doing communications for the trump campaign before they scaled up and they brought a few more people on board. the president with laudatory words about her resignation from the white house. we should point out, she continues to work here. it's not an you're out the door thing. it was her choice. she wants to do something differently. she will wrap up her time here at the white house. like other people are as well. one of the deputy chiefs of staff is transitioning out as well. she will head off into the private sector. the president said hope is
outstanding and done great work the last three years. she's as smart as thoughtful as they come. a truly great person. i will miss having her by my side. when she approached me about pursuing other opportunities, i understand. like john kelly. he said she is wise beyond her years and became a trusted adviser and clear and did a tremendous job overseeing the communications for the president's agenda and including passage of the historic tax reform. she's served with great distinction. to say she will be missed is an understatement. for help herself, i wish the president and his administration the very best as he continues to lead our country. i mean, she's less than 30 years old. she's 28 or 29. she was recently at the center of that controversy surrounding rob porter because of the two of them were involved in a
relationship. i went to her office shortly after that whole thing came down. she was as poised and professional as anyone could possibly be despite what obviously had to be some sort of a personal blow to her. you know, the controversy surrounding everything professionally. she is -- now she's leaving, she's a remarkable, young lady who has had one of the toughest jobs on the planet and carried it out with grace and dignity. neil? >> neil: the timing is interesting to me. she did say sometimes she had white lies. what did she mean by that? how did she explain that? did they play in role in any of this? >> you know, i don't believe that did. i think it's just a matter of -- it had but rumored for some time
that she and other people that are close to the president, who have been living this intense 24/7, 365 lifestyle were going to seek opportunities outside of the white house. i mean, you know, to say the job was of such an intensity that you can't do it for a long time is an understatement. i talked to many people here at the white house who literally have not taken family vacation. they work every weekend. the level of intensity is such that it's difficult to continue. i don't know if that played into all of this. i haven't had an opportunity to speak with her about it. i don't know of what you mentioned played into it at all. again, this is a young lady who i will agree with, chief of staff kelly is wise well beyond her years. mature well beyond her years who did what she thought was the best job she possibly could for
this president and has now decided to leave the white house and move into the private sector. >> neil: a lot of voices in my head. i apologize. that she is going to step down exactly when? sounds like she's staying on a little bit here? >> we don't know. for example, rick dearborn, one of the deputy chiefs of staffs announced in late december that he would be leaving the white house. he's still transitioning out. he's been here for than a couple months. so i don't expect she will be here a couple more months. i would imagine her tenure will be measured in weeks. yeah, she's not walking out the door. nobody is escorting her off the promises today. put it that way. >> neil: starts when you had the back and forth over jeff sessions and how hard -- i don't want to say panic there or a sense of insecurity there. but is there at least a sense of disarray there? what would you say?
>> well, this continued feud that the president has with jeff sessions is very curious. this white house for the past 14 months has certainly been like a political version of game of thrones. a lot of politics in game of thrones. something once described it to me the early days of this white house as a running gun battle in the west wing. that has probably dissipated to some degree. a lot of competing factions here, neil. >> neil: thanks, john. i want the read in this from joe manchin of west virginia. i do know you have a vote to look forward to, senator. i thank you for taking the time. >> sure. >> neil: how did it go there today in the white house and do you think you made some common ground? you had approaching the support you had last time, your close to 60 votes. >> right. with the president's support -- it comes down to this. i have always supported the
second amendment rights and so does the president. he knows we need to do some common sense changes as far as background checks. when people go to gun shows, they need to have a background check. a commercial transaction on the internet. he supports that. with his support, both of us protecting the second amendment rights, we can move forward. that's what we intend to do. >> neil: do you think -- when you say tend to do it, this could be done in short order. the president said keep it simply a lot of add-ons. even steve scalise -- >> he knew the controversial things that have a heavy lift. you're talking about if background checks, it was a good piece of legislation in 2013 and is now. that's the base bill. he had to fix nix in there. he wants the mental illness part that we can address that, school
safety. we had that in there. there's some things we can tweak and put in there. he said he's getting rid of bump stocks. he wants the age of 21. we'll see if there's support. seems like a no-brainer. takes 21 years of age to buy a handgun. he's talking about ar-1 if they narrow that down to what firearm he's talking about to raising the age. there's a lot of 18-year-olds that hunt and use for target practice, sport shooting and all that and very responsible. >> neil: are you against raising the age? he noticed that between 21 for a gun and 18 -- >> that's a no-brainer for me. i don't have a problem there. also, there might be a caveat that we can carve out which is what you do when you compromise. if a person at 18 years of age which you can have an ar-15 and
that person would have to go through steps and competency showing they're trained and responsible to use this type of weapon. so that could be done. we've heard talk of that. we're willing to talk to anybody about whatever they want to come up with an all-inclusive piece of legislation. the manchin-toomey bill is what we will work on. we hope we can make one good piece of legislation that can get through. >> neil: you might have heard, hope ticks, the communications director, is resigning. obviously it occurs at a unique and critical moment here. getting this out, that you want to get out. what do you think is going on at the white house? >> i was just there. i met afterwards, pat and i and john cornyn and went into the room with the president. general kelly was there. talking about how we move forward and we'll work together and make sure the president is on board.
i said if the president is on board, knowing that he's going to protect the second amendment the same as i am and pat toomey and everybody else, we can get something done. >> was hope hicks there? >> she wasn't. >> she would have communicated that. >> i did not see her there. i just heard about this walking in. this is the first time i've heard about it. >> neil: all on the same day as you know, senator, the president and his attorney general add loggerheads again. what do you think of that? >> there's a lot going on. a lot to digest. i understand. this is the mode of operation for them. he's able to function through that. everyone has their own style and their own comfortable level. >> neil: you sound surprised. >> a little bit unusual. >> neil: your colleagues and what they make of this, how willing are they to help out on a gun measure, particularly democrats that might think that republicans are not giving up enough on gun control per se? you would tell them what? >> neil: i've said this before. i knew they wanted to go further than what my bill and toomey's
bill went in 2013. it's the art of the compromise in the senate. we have a piece of legislation. if president trump would have been president in 2013 when this piece of legislation was first introduced, we wouldn't have this conversation. we would have passed it. because of president obama and people are a little concerned and they were believing that he would not protect their second amendment rights as hard as they wanted it to be, they were scared if you pass this one, joe, even though it makes sense, we're gun owners, it's okay, it makes sense but if we do that, they'll do more. he will take more. they don't believe that with president trump. that's why it's important to have his support. jo thanks, senator manchin. thank you. >> sure thing. >> neil: just to bring you up to speed, progress on the front here with weaponry and all of that and keeping our schools safer. big news developing in the last few minutes, hope hicks is
resigning as communications director at the white house, this on the same day there's been a back and forth with the president and his attorney general yet again. but a lot of craziness going on here. jessica tarlow and ned ryan here with me. ned, the hope hicks situation, we're told this was something planned prior to her appearance before a congressional committee yesterday. what do you think of this? >> i mean, at a certain point, neil, this is a grind and she's been with the trump campaign and in the white house for what? over two years now. at some point it's human nature to say i'm getting out. i've had enough of the crazy lifestyle. i don't see it as a bad thing. i think mercy sclapp has been the real wise house coms director. so i think this is a good
situation where mercy becomes the real white house coms director. you'll see a professionalizing of some of the staff when sarah sanders came in as press secretary, things stabilized there. if you put mercy in as the coms director officially, that would stabilize it. so in some ways this is nature of the beast. in some way it's a good thing to get things shaken up a little bit and move in a new direction. >> i'm looking at these developments. just utter confusion and chaos at the white house. the president had a funny way of showing it in his meeting with republican and democratic leaders in congress. he seemed focused on the pros and cons of putting this or that in whatever legislation they come up with. how is this going to affect the white house you think in the interim? >> i don't think this was a surprise. donald trump and hope hicks have a very close relationship.
he calls her by nicknames, he calls her hopester. i have a feeling he knew this was coming for a while and she probably had been drafting a statement ever since news broke about rob portman. so i don't think this set donald trump off of his game. i think he saw it coming quite a ways away. seems like he's giving her this blessing. >> jessica, a lot of people are just absorbing this hope hicks news in the context of what we wept on today. a classic example, hearing what chuck schumer is saying. he's commending the president for meeting with congress or will this drip drip of white house personnel who is either going or being told to go, not the case here, we're told, but how is this going to play out? >> we're used to personnel changes. we've seen a lot of people
incredibly important to the trump campaign head out the side door. steve bannon, this happening now. he's correct if the rob porter scandal had not happened, i don't think this would be coming today. and then the news yesterday said she tells white lies for the president. if it's true, i don't think you're supposed to say it. the focus will be on gun control. i hope you have 200 bipartisan sponsors of a bill in the house even if it doesn't go as far as many democrats would want and joe manchin said. i thought it was great when the president said to senator toomey that he's scared of the nra. i love the calling people out on this. i don't know what will happen about the due process. he said the gun should have -- >> neil: he called out some democrats there on their opposition to something that -- >> it's equal sides there. i thought that was particularly funny of his own party.
i'm hopeful -- >> you have a unique sense of humor. i'm kidding. i want to know, when you hear -- i said at the outset there's two donald trumps, a presidential one and today was focused and dealing and fast on his feet on this issue, on this gun issue, and then the tweeting or the snide trump who takes every personal slight to heart and then even in the case of his own cabinet official that will bring it out to the world tweeting it. i hope the former wins out, but in light of the constant, which seems like an upheaval in his staff, i'm not sure wh. what do you think? >> you've seen the talk about the guns, very presidential -- >> neil: but he said if they came to an agreement, he would
sign it. they came to an agreement and he didn't sign it. i know there were different -- i grant you. how sure are you that he will stick to his word on this? they come up with some broad plans here and he would sign it, support it. some people fear he will back away from it. >> if it comes down to tightening up the background checks, i think there's people that are ambivalent about raising the age from 18 to 21. i'm not sure how many people will fight on that issue. if you hit the main points, absolutely he signs it. if it goes too far, he won't. so you have to she how this plays out. there's a willingness to say hey, if you fix the background check problem there will be a bill that he could sign and he will sign. on the immigration debate, neil, when they brought that proposal to him, that was nowhere near what was being discussed at the meeting in the white house. he was right to take a pass on it. >> lindsey graham said it was. i wasn't there. i don't know what it was. that was then, this is different
now. brie, i do want to ask you this. much as come up about the white house demanding loyalty. something that you'd hear from hope hicks and the president himself. this president takes it to a new level. these battles back and forth with his attorney general might indicate that. is that something that we should watch closely because it's very different when you're talking about that from an attorney general who will write you a point, but once appointed and you're in the job has a far bigger role? >> yeah, i have heard a lot about this absolute loyalty from people that i know personally that have gone through the process with working with this white house. some ended working with the administration, some ended up not working with the administration. i agree with you it's a head-scratcher. this idea that you can't have said a negative thing at all about the president because then you will be thrown out and you can't work with this
administration is a little bit much. however, i do think that the tweeting on trump's part this morning with jeff sessions is smart. he knows that we'll be talking about it all day long. he's turning up the heat and turning up the screws on sessions -- >> neil: jessica, is that going to work? there's all sorts of ways to work the message and get it out. >> i don't think so at all. you brought this up earlier with your former attorney general mike mukasey. it's not how you treat somebody in your cabinet. jeff sessions were with him from the beginning. maybe i'm with ted cruz or john kasich. he was there be his side and he was right to recuse himself from the russia investigation. and i don't understand why public humiliation of a cabinet member is ever a good policy and now force jeff sessions to have to come out and humiliate him back. >> neil: we'll see. the humiliation continues. nothing of that here. guys, thanks very much.
>> thank you. >> neil: to let you know, hope hicks, very young communications director is stepping down on the day stocks were down, on the day why finished one of our worst months in some time. trading resumes tomorrow. >> kimberly: breaking news hours of the white house. white house communications director hope hicks is resigning. this comes a day after she testified before the house intelligence committee about the russia investigation. furthermore, we had over to chief white house correspondent john roberts. >> this was a real shocker, no question. if you look at everybody in the white house other than ivanka trump and jared kushner and melania trump, this is a person who is closest to the president. i was in her office last week. one wall of her office is one of the walls of the oval office. she is literally just outside the door.