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>> ed: chad pergram, thank you, guy benson, bret baier, chris stirewalt. i'll be back in this chair tomorrow night, 11:00 a.m. eastern time, bret will be with "special report," thank you for joining us tonight. ♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. the polls have closed. awaiting results in pennsylvania's 18th district special election between democratic conor lamb and republican rick saccone. ed henry has the latest. he joins us now. >> the 18 district in pennsylvania, the suburbs of pittsburgh. went for president bush -- should be easy for the party, the tariffs are popular. this means jobs for real people. democrats have this young candidate cut from central casting. he is all but running from national democratic leaders. promising to vote against
nancy pelosi. made a direct appeal to the union workers. the president labeled the democrats lamb the sham, slamming lamb. folks i have spoken to at the white house are nervous about rick saccone who struggled to raise money and a struggle to rally the base. saccone brought in donald trump jr., borrow the family playbook. if lamb takes the district, the media will have its narrative, that the g.o.p. is easy pickings in the midterms. if saccone wins, it will suggest the president's coattails are stronger than they think. 11:00 eastern i will fill in for shannon bream. stay glued to fox because tucker is awesome. >> tucker: president trump traveled to california today to
review eight separate prototypes for his proposed wall. he said this. >> the round pcc here, the larger it is, the better it is. it's hard to get over the top. it's a deterrent to getting over the top. who would think. who would think. getting over the top is easy. these are professional mountain climbers. theyta are incredible climbers. they can't climb some of these walls. some of them they can, those of the walls we are not using. >> tucker: democrats in congress oppose providing funding for the wall but some go further. recently some on the left have called for ending all federal border enforcement period. senator kamala harris says i.c.e. should be abolished entirely. "the washington post" editorial today agrees. how is it distinct from having totally open borders? not clear. senior fellow for the center of the american progress towards us. henry, thanks for coming on.
there's a o lot of concern about illegal immigration, whatever you think the best solution is. what do you think the downside for american citizens is? >> let's start with this wall trumpet wants to build. he first told us it was going to be built and paid for by the mexicans. they say they won't do that. >> tucker: i'm sorry. i'm happy to talk about the wall but to get to the concerned about illegal immigration. why should we be concerned? what are the downsides for illegal immigration for american citizens? >> you have the concern that undocumented people coming into the u.s. or overstaying visas. those are down. they have been down every year for some time now. it's not a very significant problem. instead, this something trump is
drumming up in order to scare people. >> tucker: people come over. there are a lot of people apprehended at the border and there are more than 10 million illegals living in the country. you don't think american citizens are hurt in any way or have any legitimate reason to be concerned? >> i am trying to understand what the big concern is here. what we are talking about is a border wall that would cost somewhere between 60 and $120 billion, money that would be taxpayer dollars wasted for something that won't work. >> tucker: hold on. >> how do you overcome a 34 wall? a 32-foot ladder. >> tucker: i am familiar with the bumper sticker. i wonder if you are concerned that all about the effects of unemployment -- unemployment. there are 7 million american
working men who dropped out of the labor force there is a report by the fed, they tell researchers the wages they are competing far too low. one of the reasons is because of competition from immigrants. that doesn't bother you at all? have you looked into it? should people be worried about it? >> if we look at economic analysis, no. that should not be a significant concern for people. emigrants help build the economy which raises wages. what we have seen is wages are now, as on the planet has come down close to 4%, wages are starting too raise. in this economy or any economy. immigrants are essential to growing the economy. >> tucker: let me ask you, if we have 11 million people here illegally and we have 7 million american citizens, men of
working age not working, why wouldn't we prefer the citizens to be working instead of the people here illegally? should we give priority to our citizens is our question. >> i feel like the premise of the question is missing basic economics.on if we want to create jobs, we need a robust entry of immigrants into this country. that's what allows us to grow jobs in this country. >> tucker: hold on. we have 11 million at least, may be higher, but the baseline is 11 million illegal alien workers in the country. we still have one of the highest workforce nonparticipation rates in modern history. how many more legal workers will be needed in order to help american citizens? what do you think the perfect number would be? >> i reject the entire premise of the question. you can keep asking it. >> tucker: no, no, no. you are saying we need more
people. it helps our economy. how many more do we need? >> i'm trying to answer the question. the fact is immigrants help grow the economy. that's what brings people into the workforce. that's what creates jobs. >> tucker: and i am responding with actual facts by telling you that hasn't worked. i'm just wondering what would work.wo i am saying if we face no threat and our fears are rooted in bigotry and we don't need a wall -- that is the supposition. a lot of people are afraid of illegal immigration. you are saying we have no reason to be. clearly it's irrational in your opinion. why wouldn't we follow the lead of a lot of democrats and abolish i.c.e.? ready for that? >> if we look at the fact that we haven't -- we didn't have i.c.e. prior to p 9/11. we've been able -- it wasn't
part of the super agency at dhs which creates -- what we have seen in the transition to i.c.e.'s behavior, this sense of people actingg on their own outside of constitutional requirements. i can see absolutely why senator harris would raise a concern. t >> tucker: do you think it's a legitimate thing to say let's abolish i.c.e. pretty simple question. yes or no. >> i think i answered it. kamala harris raised issues and i think they should seriously be considered. >> tucker: okay, good. i don't want to misquote you. i think our viewers in the country should know with the position as of the progressive left on i.c.e. and you explain it. ith appreciate it. thank you. a video going viral shows a mother being arrested by i.c.e., those cowboys you just heard about. >> [screaming]
>> tucker: it's a pretty upsetting video. for that reason it is getting a wide play on the left. a key detail is being left out. the woman in theft video isn't some random illegal alien pulled off the street by those cowboys. she is suspect by the feds of organizing human trafficking operation. we have the executive director for the center for immigration studies. in coverage as dishonest of this in a long time. this is the definition of propaganda. if you show that video and take out the context, it is like showing the man in front of the tank in tiananman square. >> there are all over -- the border patrol, if they wanted to randomly arrest illegal immigrants with which they don't twaste their time with, they
wouldn't have done this. they knew this woman was involved in a smuggling ring. they sought her out, tried to get in touch with her. she didn't respond. apparently when they confronted her, she tried to flee, tried to get another car in in driveway. she is resisting arrest as you can see. the border patrol did its job, yes. b 's an upsetting video because everyone is yelling and screaming but this womanve put herself in the situation by working with these criminal smuggling rings. >> tucker: apparently. i don't think the case has reached its conclusion but the point is there was a reason for it. she wasn't a hapless victim. you heard, i believe, the head of immigration studies at the largest progressive think tank say -- center for american progress. that we ought to entertain getting rid of i.c.e. what would happen if we did
that? >> who would be enforcing immigration laws? that's the real question. the border patrol does its job well andnd they will call for getting rid of the border patrol next they do a good job at near the border. but most immigration enforcement happens inside the country. who does that? i.c.e. does that. what they are saying is that in effect once you get past the border patrol, you should be home free. and this isn't some new thing. this is essentially what hillary clinton and bernie sanders said during the campaign, that any illegal immigrant who gets into the united states who doesn't actually kill somebody, isn't convicted of a violent felony, that's the way she put it, should be allowed to stay. this really is not some kind of offbeat outlier opinion. this has become the position of, the standard position of the left. it really shows how radicalized the democratic party has become. >> tucker: broad support for eliminating all border security?
>> obviously not. this is why in some sense republican should encourage democrats to run on this platform. >> tucker: because they are not very smart and they seek their own demise, they won't run on't it, will they? >> generally speaking, no. there's a reason the democrats are the evil party and the republicans are the stupid party. they wouldn't take advantage of this it's not as though they would need to exaggerate or use hyperbole. they really just need to let the progressives say what they actually think. >> tucker: i am taking an affirmative position in favor of our enemies. how is it different? >> they don't believe in borders or immigration. >> tucker: i am serious. i think it's worth it always to be honest. secretary of state rex tillerson has b become the latest departue from the trump administration. what does it mean going forward? does that have meaning?
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♪ >> tucker: t i made a mistake in the last segment and i want to correct it immediately. senator kamala harris of california did not call for ending i.c.e. others on the left have called for it, but we shouldn't have said shehe has. full's have closed in pennsylvania's special congressional election. watching for results. we will keep you apprised of all developments through the night. today secretary of state rex tillerson becameta the latet departure t from the trump administration.
president trump announced his firing via tweet. the president says he plans to nominate cia director mike pompeo to be the new secretary of state. gina haspell be nominated to run the cia. president trump had this to say about rex tillerson. >> rex and i have been talking about this for a long time. we got along actually quite well, but we disagreed on thing things. when you look at the iran deal. i think it's terrible. i guess he thought it was okay. he felt differently. we were not really thinking the same. >> tucker: secretary tillerson himself said this. >> my commission of secretary of state will terminate at midnight march 31. between now and then, i will address a few administrative mattersed related to my departue and work towards a smooth and orderly transition for secretary
of state designate mike pompeo. >> tucker: fox senior political analyst brit hume joins us. there's an awful lot going on. let's go in order. first, tillerson. what do you make of it? >> it does show you cannot disagree with the president on major foreign policy issues to with the iran deal, and there are other differences as well. plus the fact that the state department can be a pretty bulky place.ar this president is nowhere near the first president who's had trouble getting his arms around it and getting control of it. there's a good argument whether tillerson did either over there but there's a question with secretaries of state. are they representing the state department to the white house orep the white house to the state department. i think is a feeling in this administration in this white house the tillerson had become to some extent at least a creature of the building, although he wasn't thought over there to be all that popular. so his days were probably numbered.
it's regrettable, tucker, because it means we will have a period of delay while mike pompeo goesis through this process, the same is true for his deputy. that leaves a period in which the agencies are not functioning in a way that they are new leaders will want them to. it's regrettable at the early stages of this administration they are still getting the right people in place. >> tucker: yeah, it is regrettable. what you make of the report, the majority report from the intel community yesterday that found no collusion between the trump campaign and putin? >> i think it's probably correct that that committee did find no collusion. i would note in the face of all the criticism that house intel committee and the majority have received a meanwhile over in the sainted senate intelligence committee, it is chairman richard burr of north carolina,
republican of north carolina, said in a television interview that that investigation which has been thought to be very much more sober and bipartisan and better had come so far, in a sense, to the same conclusion. i think there's a good reason for that. in all likelihood there was no collusion. and there's been no evidence of it so far and i think that piece of their conclusion is probably correct and i notice that even adam schiff of california, who has been a dogged dissenter and one might say a partisan one. even he, all he said with the investigation should continue. he did not say that he or that committee has evidence that would dispute or even refute the committees conclusion on collusion. >> tucker: he called it a tragic milestone but didn't explain. for special election in pennsylvania, district outside pittsburgh that the president won by 20 points. seems very tight tonight. are we inflating its meaning?
>> it's an odd election. i would hesitate to draw major conclusions. the force of the protest vote that will come out to vote for the democrat. young, attractive candidates on the democratic side and i somewhat somewhat doughty character on the republican side. this is also conducted to some extent in the shadow of the departure of the previous republican incumbent who left in a sex scandal. bear in mind this is an election to fill a seat between now and next november. there will be a whole new district because of redistricting and this one will go away. legislatively it's pretty insignificant but it will be seen as a bellwether on both sides. depending on who wins. no doubt. >> tucker: it's interesting that the democrat is running
away from the gun issue which i think a lot of democrats think is a winner for them but not this one apparently. >> yeah, he certainly is. and he is saying he won't back nancy pelosi for speaker. trying to convince the people in the district. it's majority democratic district. it's been hospitable to republicans for a long time and been considered a safe district. he doesn't run away from the party on everything. i gather he did not support the tax cut which i think the benefits of which may be starting to be felt and that district. we will see what effect that ha has. it's an unusual race. >> tucker: brit hume, the voice of reason in a turbulent world. thank you. hillary clinton touring india and revealing a lot about what she thinks about you. we pretty astonishing remarks n.
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white women. part of that is an identification with the republican party and a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way that your husband, your boss, your son, whoever believes you should. >> tucker: notice who hillary clinton did not blame for her loss. herself or her ideas or anything she's ever said or done. it's ata mistake to make this about hillary clinton. she's a figure of the past but her ideas are very much a feature of the present. sums up the view in the left of america. a bigotedk middle-class holding back progress. the democratic t voters, they don't have legitimate views or aspirations. they only have only got reactions. they are racist and dumb people.
white women, as hillary clinton said, they can't think for themselves. they are puppets. they are attached to stubborn styles of independence called families. nothing stands in the way of power like family. they must be smashed. hillary may be washed up but she understands the goals. g we have the lifestyle director at the meredith corporation. thanks for joining him. -- joining us. i don't want to beat up on hillary clinton. >> you don't? >> tucker: i always feel sorry for the loser. she is humiliating herself. i don't want to pound on her but i want to talk about the ideas. i am struck because i think she's the sort of perfect embodiment of an attitude that pervades the democratic party which is that we lost and it's your fault. you are bigots. you are standing way of progress, america. i think that's --ou what do you think of that attitude? >> i don't think it's a fair
attitude. one valid point a lot of people make when talking about a lot of the statements hillary clinton makes is that she doesn't talk about the tactical errors her team made as far as campaigning and appealing to the middle of the country. while i certainly am personally against the administration currently inti office and a lotf the things they stand for, i think the democrats need to account for the errors they made duringde the 2016 election. >> tucker: i don't know. i hear that a lot. top people in the hillary campaign. they are all smart. they had a billion dollars. there wasn't really a lot of tactical thinking they weren't aware of. they did the tactics right. >> i don't know that they did. i don't really necessarily want to argue about the problems. >> tucker: could the problem have been they didn't understand that the middle class was dying, in absolute terms, and felt
hated and dismissed by them. that may be was the problem. >> want to talk about a tactical issue, it's not appealing to the middle part of the country, nott delivering the economic message. i think that was a tactical error. >> tucker: i would say it is a thematic air. what do you think of hillary's line. i am not beating up on her but i think this gets one of the core contradictions in modern feminism. that white women, she said, voted for trump because they were pressured by their husbands and sons. she thinks that women are so weak minded that they are bossed around by three songs in the voting booth. doesn't that tell you a lot? >> i hate that sound bite from her andt i wish -- it makes it sound as though women are incapable of making their own decisions and the voting booth. as much as i wish this weren't true, there is dataen to back it aup.
there was a study by oregon state university that said women, white women, are unduly pressured by their partners when it comes to making political decisions. generally women, when they are unmarried, they tend to vote with the good of their gender in mind. once they become married, they be more likely to vote in their husbands best economic interests. this is largely because women hold, earn less money and hold less power in this country. there is evidence to back up the fact that women one married, specifically white women, tend to vote with their husbands economic interests in mind. that is perceived to be for white women at least voting republican. >> tucker: if you have married white people and you spend a huge amount of time attacking them on the basis of their race and marital status, as the
democratic party and their surrogates do. >> they attack married people? >> tucker:s. it is not their constituency. married people don't vote for them. >> i think that's vastly untrue. >> tucker: chuck schumer says he wasn't going to support a federal judicial nominee because he was white. i wonder, what do you think the effect of that is? is it good for the country? >> i think you are mischaracterizing the fact that republicans, excuse me democrats are not trying to appeal to married people. that's a huge swath of the population. i think they're trying to appeal to a specific ideology. adopted by married and unmarried people. >> tucker: i think i have a higher opinion of women then you do, and i'm not a feminist. i think they vote the way they want to vote. >> that is by a large drew. some of the things
hillary clinton said over simplified it. there is some data unfortunatel unfortunately. >> tucker: julie, thank you. a handful of powerful and omnipresent tech companies don't simply dominate the market place.do the increasingly control our daily lives and what we think and what we are capable of thinking. one writer who studies the issue it's time to break them up. he joins us next. results are coming in. we will update you again on the pennsylvania special election.
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the country to their will but that is over. or is it? amazonoo google and facebook, ao apple aren't just richer or more powerful than the old monopolies. they also have far more control over our daily lives. what should we do about it? scott galloway is the professor of marketing at nyu school of business. calling for the breakup in a piece. you took a look at these companies and their effect on the american economy and american life and your conclusion was break them up? >> that isp? correct. i think the economy needs to be oxygenated. i don't think they have done anything wrong, if you will. i think the economy of innovation that we've become dependent upon t has come to a point where small companies have difficulty getting out of the crib and big companies are being euthanized before they should because these companies basically choke off capital.
can engage in anticompetitive behavior. i think it's time. >> tucker: we have a whole lot of federal laws against it. google for example which has a choke hold on all human information. everything youis could know is n google. they have an effective monopoly on searching. that seems like too much power for any organization. why hasn't congress done anything to reduce that power and the threat to the rest of us? >> well, that's the correct question. google, 92% of the market by dollar volume is bigger than the entire advertising market of any nation with the exception of the u.s. it will probably blow by the ad in two years.u.s. current antitrust law is based on the premise that if it's good for the consumer, then it's good for society. that's what we are wrestling with. most people have a difficult time arguing that google isn't good for the consumer. the problem is we don't know what we don't know and that is that we don't know what
companies would emerged if we didn't have a duopology. if you work in digital marketing and you don't work for one of the'r two, you are in a business that's instructional decline. >> tucker: that means that between facebook and google, all digital news is really controlled, the purse strings are controlled by two companies. i mean, if that's not a threatening concentration of power? >> i believe it is a threatening concentration of power. i believe if fox or news corps had been weaponized by an intelligence arm of the russian government, they would have incurred huge fines. advertisers would have a band of the network. in the case of facebook, you have two companies that control almost all traffic and e-commerce and your presence on the web. if it is not a monopoly, it's a monopsony. advertisers have no choice. there's too much power in these companies. i don't think they are evil. i don't think they have done anything wrong. they do a companies was supposed
to do. they are growing their earnings but i thinkpa referees need to step in and throw flags. i believe these companies would be better for the economy, broader tax base, more dropped or may be fewer billionaires more millionaires if there were 11e or 12 companies instead of the four we are discussing today. >> tucker: yeah, i don't think there is a serious conversation aboutio that on capitol hill rit now. i hope you spark one. thank you for that. >> i appreciate that. >> tucker: the u.k. as welcoming home isis fighters literally people who fought for isis. but the u.k. will not let conservatives visit the country. they are turned away at the airport. i'm not making that up. we will be right back.
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♪ >> tucker: after 14 months, republican members of the house intelligence committee completed draft report. they concluded there was no collusion between donald trump and vladimir putin during the 2016 campaign. >> this is a fox news alert. conor lamb, the democrat on the screen speaking is actually giving an acceptance speech for a tightly close race that hasn't been declared but he is declaring victory. >> shouting on tv and in our politics. it's amazing what happens when you are in a room with real people who have real aspirations and real troubles. there's lots of ideas. there is no angry shouting. our job in congress is to attack the problems, not each other. [cheers and applause]
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governing this country we love. thank you. >> there you see conor lamb who was running for congress against mr. saccone, who president trump campaign for throughout the weekend, along with his family. there is the results there. rick saccone 49.6%. a race too close to call. we have seen conor lamb declare victory. we should point out the associated press said they would not call this race around midnight when they were basically looking at all of this and everyone was wondering if we would actually call this race tonight. in the morning, many people will be talking about this.
we will be talking about conor lamb, the young democrat who ran opposite nancy pelosi, the head of his party, and ran a more moderate campaign. there you see them being congratulated for stepping out and saying that he is the victor and declaring himself as the victor in this tightly held race that many people will look at is perhaps some sort of way, referendum of the trump administration and what it could mean for the midterms of the 2018. we will continue to evolve the development of the story. when the sun rises, we will be talking about this tightly held race, one of the closest races in our modern history. i am kelly wright. we have been keeping you up-to-date on the pennsylvania race. we will continue to follow the develop insulator on throughout our broadcast. we will be back with more. this is a fox news alert. savin.
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>> this is a fox news alert from america's headquarters. i'm kelly wright in new york. the scientific committee morning a major loss. stephen hawking has passed away at the age of 76 at his home in cambridge, england. according to a family spokesperson. professor hawking, known for his trademark wheelchair and computerized voice processor suffered for decades from als, a rare and incurable neurological disease that left him unable to speak or walk. born in oxford, england, in 1942, hawking was throughout his lifetime the recipient of numerous awards for his scientific accomplishments. among them, the presidential medal of freedom, the highest honor awarded to civilians by the united states. his children said in a statement, "he was a great scientist and an extraordinary man whose work and legacy will live on for many years. his courage and persistence with his brilliance and humor inspired people across the
world. he once said it would not be much of a universe if it wasn't home to the people you love. we will miss him forever." that is from his family. stephen hawking, professor, physicist, and author, dead at 76. i'm kelly wright. now back to tucker carlson already in progress. >> that's the separation, this is not a race, tucker, that has been like the georgia race, where democrats bombarded the hollywood types then came in there with big names. this has been kind of lamb running his own race, different from the national democratic party has. >> tucker: smart. probably wise of him. republicans have put a enormous amount into this. how much? >> well, if you add it all up, it is upwards of $15 million. in one house race. the interesting thing about this, if the district's hold as
they were redrawn in pennsylvania, if that is not overthrown by the court, you were talking about a district where they will spend millions of millions of dollars on both sides that will eventually disappear and will no longer be a congressional district. so i think that this is just a narrative setting, if democrats do win tonight, they will say, this is the wave they were looking for. >> tucker: whites turn out like? to be have any early indication? >> it's early. allegheny reports that the numbers were long, if they were aligned by 8:00, they were able to vote. in allegheny county, that is significant. we'll see with the turnout is in the redder districts. read or parts parts of the district. probably in the next hour or so. >> tucker: you'll be up late. thanks a lot. i appreciate it. stay with fox for election coverage throughout the night. that's about it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00 to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink.
which is everywhere right now. good night from washington. sean hannity is up next! k, sean, sean. >> sean: hey, tucker. great show as always. the polls are closed and the funds of's 18th district special election. we'll have updates throughout the hour and also what it means. we also have major developments, breaking news tonight. president trump scoring another break win after visiting california and viewing portable prototypes, and of course that means he is one step closer to fulfilling his campaign promise and building that wall. president trump blasting the governor of california and the liberal mayor of oakland for protecting criminal illegal immigrants who are posing a serious threat to you the american people. all of that place several stunning new revelations about the clinton bought and paid for a dossier tonight. according to a brand-new book out today, barack obama's 2012 campaign, they actually hired