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>> chris: you know what, we're running out of time. hold that thought. you can with on with john bolton on the next show. that's "special report" for tonight. i'm chris wallace. the story with martha maccallum and a pretty big guest. general h.r. mcmaster is out as national security adviser. former u.n. ambassador to the u.n., john bolton will be his replacement. he will join us in moments to speak about this very breaking news tonight. he's just been announced in his position. also breaking this evening, investigators in austin hunting for a motive, looking closely at a target list that they have found of future addresses that bomber mark conditt was looking to strike. >> he was at my christmas table.
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he was a great kid. she was mart. he was loving. he was kind. i have no idea who this person is. >> it's extremely confusing. i don't make anything of it. just is -- doesn't make sense. i suppose this type of thing never does. >> everybody is interested in a motive and understanding why. we're never going to be able to put a ration behind these acts. >> martha: so why do killings with no motives multiply in america? the angry search for desire to kill total strangers, including as what happened in las vegas. tonight we have this chilling just-released video of the killer in the days before the largest mass shooting in american history. looking, acting, pretty much like any other gambler or tourist going in and out of las vegas. except for this one thing. throughout these pictures and
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videos, he's methodically loading 21 different suitcases over time into the elevators at mandalay bay. setting up a killing field from the 32nd floor. all the while, you can see concert goers and others arriving for what hoped would be a weekend of music and good times. >> there was one person responsible. that was stephen paddock. this report won't answer the biggest question as to why he did what he did and whether we will ever find out why he did what he did. >> martha: why did he do what he did? the same question in austin. family and neighbors are in shock. the ones little boy that played in their yard now meticulously constructing and planting bombs designed to blow up in the faces of innocent people. ed davis served as boston police commissioner. he has thoughts on both of these
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cases. he oversaw the boston marathon bombing investigation. first, jeff and nancy reed, long-time neighborhood of the conditt family, what turned 23-year-old mark into a serial bomber. good to have you with us, mr. and mrs. reeve. i imagine that when you hear me say that sentence, you're wondering what the heck you're doing talking about this tonight, nancy. >> exactly. exactly. >> tell me about him. tell me how you saw him. >> i saw him and i still see him as the little 5-year-old boy who moved next door, who i was so glad to see him move in because it gave my grandson a playmate. you know, the next ten years they -- his little sister and my grandson had an ideal life, time together growing up. >> martha: jeff, what can you tell us about the family and
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what they're going through now? >> well, i can't honestly imagine what they're going through. it's -- they're a really nice, caring, great neighbors. they were helpful to us. and, you know, they spent a lot of time with their kids with activities growing up. sports, different things. >> martha: if i could interject, have either of you spoken to the family since this >> yes. >> yes. briefly. >> martha: nancy, what did they say? >> when i first spoke to them yesterday morning, the authorities had not been there to confirm that it was mark that had done this. they were absolutely -- they knew what they knew from a reporter and from television.
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they were in disbelief. mark's dad, just like i would be, did not want to believe that this could possibly be his son. beyond belief for them. >> was there anything unusual? any indication that you picked up on that he was troubled? when we listened to the sheriff last night, he said that mark had recorded an electronic message 25 minutes long. he said what was clear from it, he wasn't a terrorist in the way that we sort of think of that today. and that he was not -- it wasn't a hate crime. initially there was a discussion targeting people of different ethnic backgrounds. he was troubled. he was very challenged and very troubled. >> well, i can definitely say they are not a racist family. so i don't think in -- anything was racially motivated. as far as any signs, you know,
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he was a quiet kid. very, very smart. intelligent. just, you know -- they just did the normal things kids do. they built tree houses, built forts. they played on the play scape. they were always outside. the conditts are everything you'd want in a parent. you hear of kids and these vi violent movies, violent games, those kids didn't grow up with that. >> martha: he was home-schooled, correct? >> yes, yes. >> martha: you said he made -- they made an effort to make sure he was socializing with other kids, right? >> absolutely. they were part of a home-school community. they had, you know, like baseball teams and once they were in the upper grades, be like as a senior, they had proms. >> martha: seems so normal. >> so he was socialized.
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>> martha: jeff, anything you look back and you think anything? anything that crops up in your mind as maybe some indication that something wasn't right? >> you know, i've had some time to think about it. absolutely nothing comes to mind. granted we knew him as a kid and an early teenager, not so much as after he got out of high school. >> martha: along the way. go ahead. >> absolutely something happened it's -- i can't put together that little boy with a person who does these horrible things. i just can't. >> i'd imagine when we get to hear this statement, a lot of these questions will be answered. i have to thank both of you very much. i know it's been a tough week. thanks tonight. >> i do want to say, it's a wonderful family. they are really, really good
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family. >> martha: and these victims are going through a horrific time. >> i'm so sorry. >> martha: thank you so much. good to talk to both of you tonight. so here with more, ed davis. he was boston's police commissioner in the 2014 marathon bombings and now a fox news contributor. good to have you with us tonight. you look at these and you can't help but look at parkland and this young man and look at this guy in las vegas that all of these months later, we still don't know why. what was his motive? just raises questions about modern life, about america, about what if anything we can take away from the fact that nobody can figure out why these people did what they did. >> it is striking, martha, how normal these individuals are. when you look at the video from the hotel in las vegas, you've got a mild mannered guy that was very relaxed in his dealings with people, even as he was moving, these guns and bags of
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ammunition into his suite. we talked to other police agencies to do profiling at airports and cities across the world. they have a list of things to look for. this guy exhibited none of those things. he was laid back, relaxed. not nervous. playing gambling games. then he goes upstairs and commits this atrocity. in the same similarity with this young man, he socialized, got friends, playing baseball. a few years later, he does what he doesn't he described himself as a psychopath. my friends in the psychiatry field will be working on this over the coming months and years. we'll a tribute some reason and meaning to what happened here. even if it doesn't go to trial, even if the police aren't interested in it because the suspects are dead. i think you will see
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psychiatrists and researchers delving into this. >> martha: as you look at these investigations and, you know -- it's really striking. we have this video to play it full and take a look at it. it's striking that we haven't seen this prior to now. there's been pretty much a tight lid on all of this. i just tell people, as they watch this coming to view here, you can just see him walking around. he's tipping the guy in the elevator. you know, chatting with the person at the snack stand downstairs. methodically when you watch him bring in these bags in and out of this hotel and that doesn't raise any questions, apparently, from mandalay bay. >> right. that is a problem, clearly. these are indicators and with all the video surveillance and all the security people you have at these big hotels in las vegas that is an issue that will have
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to be not only examined but litigated. >> martha: thanks for being here tonight, ed. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: now back to the breaking news of the evening. this fox news alert. general h.r. mcmaster, it has been discussed that he might be on the way out. tonight we have an answer to this question. ambassador john bolton who will be taking over for him will join us live in just a moment in his first interview since that news broke in the last hour. we'll speak to him after this. e. ...with its high-tech cameras and radar... ...contemporary cockpit... ...three hundred and sixty degree network of driver-assist technologies... ...and sporty performance... ...what's most impressive about the glc? all depends on your point of view. the 2018 glc. starting at $40,050. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.
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>> martha: breaking moments ago, the news that general h.r. mcmaster, the second national security adviser for the trump administration will be leaving that post in early april. former u.s. ambassador to the u.n., john bolton will be his replacement. president trump breaking the news about our next guest, sending out this tweet. "i'm pleased to announce that effective april 9, john bolton will be my new national security adviser. i'm very thankful for the service of general h.r. mcmasters who has done an outstanding job and will always be my friend." here now ambassador to the u.n.,
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john bolton, fox news contributor. good to have you here, sir. your reaction to your new job. >> well, i think i still am a fox news contributor. >> martha: no, you're'apparently. >> well, i haven't started there. demonstrates the limbo that i'm in. i didn't expect that announcement this afternoon. but it's obviously a great honor and always an honor to serve our country. i think particularly in these teams internationally, it's a particular honor. i'm still sort of getting used to it. i'm sure it will take more getting used to. >> martha: you went to the white house this afternoon and the president offered you this position then or before then? >> it came to a conclusion this afternoon. as i said, there's still a transition. i look forward to working with h.r. and his team and the other senior members of the president's team on national
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security. i have no doubt there's a lot of work to do. so i'll be devoting myself to getting ready to fill in for h.r. >> martha: let me ask you this. one of the stories out this week in "the washington post" suggested that the president ignore the advice of someone who was involved in the national security conversation, not to congratulate vladimir putin when he spoke with him on the phone the other day. is there any indication that that was the final catalyst that provoked this change? >> no, i don't have an idea about that. when i read about the leak of the notes and the subject of the conversation, i was outraged by it. i recalled earlier in the administration when somebody was leaking transcripts of the president's conversations with foreign leaders. it's completely unacceptable. you cannot conduct diplomacy and expect other foreign leaders to be candidate and open in their
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conversations with the president if some munchkin in the executive branch decides they're going to leak the talking points of the transcript or any other aspect of it. i think this is really a terrible reflection on the individual or individuals that did this. they should be ashamed of themselves. i think whether you're a republican or a democrat, a liberal or conservative, there ought to be unity that leaking of that sort is simply unacceptable. >> martha: so in terms of the substance of that discussion with vladimir putin, you know, your thoughts on the fact that the president did congratulate him on his election. >> i don't consider it a significant point one way or the other. i've said congratulations to a lot of foreign diplomats and officials. it's a matter of being polite. the president had other subjects to bring up according to press reporting. i was not involved in any way in
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the preparations for it. the election just took place. it's a matter of courtesy more than anything else. >> martha: understood. but that aside, i think in general, ambassador bolton, the way you speak about russia is more hawkish than the way the president does. just in terms of being outspoken on this recent poisoning. you talked about the fact that chemical weapons poisons were used against russians in london and that is something that needs a forceful response. what kind of response would you encourage the president to take as national security adviser? >> in the 45 minutes or hour, i've been trying to think about how to answer questions like that. i'll give you my first impression. during my career, i've written i don't know how many articleses and op-eds and opinion pieces. i can't count the number of speeches. i've had countless interviews,
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maybe a majority on fox the past 11 years. they're all out there on the public record. i've never been shy about what my views are. frankly what's said in private now is behind me, at least effective april 9. the important thing is what the president says and what advice i give him. so with respect to the second part of your question, i don't think it's appropriate to tell you what advice i would give him. this is part of the difficulty of being in this limbo position tonight. >> martha: i understand that. i was listening when the news broke, special report had their panel on. obviously the question that initially comes to mind is that you're obviously a person that is very strong-headed in your beliefs about things. it's gotten you in trouble in times in the past. there was one indication on twitter that said you promised the president that you wouldn't start any fights. is that true or is that the sort of mean that you want to come in
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the white house with that you're going to be more diplomatic or are you going to shake things up? >> if i believe half of what i saw on twitter, i probably would withdraw from the world, which some people would prefer. i have my views. i'm sure i'll have a chance to articulate them to the president. some people don't like people that have substantive views. they're more processed oriented. but it's -- if the government can't have a free interchange of ideas among the president's advisers, i think the president is not well-served. >> martha: let me ask you this. with regard to that because -- it seems as though the one person that is sort of left is general mattis that believes that the iran deal should be maintained. you've made it very clear in your writings, in your interviews that you think that deal is an awful deal. that needs to be scrapped.
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is he the odd man out now? >> you know, for the reasons i just explained, i've said what i've said about the iran deal before. i'm not sure i've ever met general mattis. so i'm not going to opine on what his views are, what he said to president in private or what discussions we may have the opportunity to have. >> martha: in terms of north korea, do you believe the president should sit down with kim jong-un? you have also said that the military option is very -- needs to be in the forefront might be a fair way to say it from the statements that you made. it should absolutely never be able the table. do you think you meet with him? >> martha: you give a great interview. same question, same answer. >> martha: understood. i appreciate that you came in 45 minutes after this announcement was made. and that you are, as you say, in a bit of limbo. i guess, you know, just a big picture question for you.
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how do you see -- how do you want to have an impact on the white house in this job? how do you see yourself changing perhaps the tenor of this administration, if you do? >> look, any president is entitled to have a national security decision making structure the way he wants to have it. the system is designed to be flexible. different presidents have different approaches, different styles. i think the consensus would be that the national security adviser among whatever functions he or she might have has two critical roles. number 1, making sure that the president has the full range of options presented to him and to make the decisions that only the president can make and that the options have to be presented in a way that gives the president the chance to weigh the pluses and muscles of all the options
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being presented. i think that's key. i think that is sometimes described as on honest broker role. the president wants to hear the national security adviser's opinion and he will give it. that's one side of the coin. the other side of the coin, when the president makes a decision, the national security adviser is, among others, one of the implementers of the decision. making sure the bureaucracies are out there and implements it. i know my way around the corridors in washington. i think that role will also be important. so those are the sort of two sides of the coin i think of the central role for the adviser. >> martha: what i'm hearing in that, tell me if i'm wrong, although you are an opinionated outspoken person, if the president does not want the
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advice that you give him, you will make sure that the white house is presented a united front? >> absolutely. jim baker, who taught me an awful lot about politics, about foreign affairs, used to end most discussions about things where clearly my suggestion wasn't going anywhere by saying, because, john, the guy that got elected doesn't want to do it. i think the rest of the bureaucracy needs to understand as well when the guy that got elected makes a decision, that's what the constitution provides. there's a famous story about dean atchison, the secretary of state in the truman administration. he was asked by a reporter, maybe somebody like you, how is it that atchison and president truman had a good working relationship. atchison said basically because neither the president, nor i,
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ever forgot who was president. >> martha: well, this is an interesting president. he does things in a very different way. there's discussion that if john kelly does decide to leave that maybe the president wouldn't replace a chief of staff. maybe he would sort of run things more on his own. you think that would be a wise decision? >> you know, if i were a completely private citizen, i might have a view on that. i'm not sure that in the present circumstances i'm going to comment on that one either. sorry. >> martha: let me ask you a more personal question. you're someone over the years that has entertained the idea of running for president at times. there was discussion that you would be considered as secretary of state at times during the construction of this administration. so on a personal level, how do you feel about the job that you've been offered and what it means for you in your life and your future? >> well, it's still sinking in.
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i haven't thought about it a great deal. >> martha: but you've been thinking about it the past few weeks. i know you made a few visits to the white house the past few weeks and no doubt you've had conversations. in terms of the way that you -- the impact that you can have on america, on being in the white house, on being that close to the president. i know you feel strongly about this president and his potential -- you said you believe he has enormous potential. what can john bolton bring to the table? >> you've said more about my views than i have, which is an interesting observation. but look, you know, the national security adviser like all of the president's top advisers serve at his pleasure. he may be a different kind of president than others, but i think that's what the people voted for. that's the role i've been asked to take on that i sought certainly and i'm placed to have
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accepted it and honored to carry it out. we'll see what happens. >> martha: and one other questions, ambassador. you've been -- i respect the fact -- >> this is the longest interview on fox that i've ever had and probably one where i've answered the fewest questions. congratulations. it's a mutual record. >> martha: we're working on it here. in terms of the backup on appointments, it's interesting because you also went through a very delayed appointment process for your ambassadorship to the u.n., which ended up in a recess appointment in the bush administration. you don't have to go through that process this time. other people do and they're very backed up as you know. rick granell is waiting and waiting. the process is such that there has to be 60 hours of debate and discussion in the senate, which is hard to put together given the work week in the senate. so your thoughts on what can be
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done to make that procession move more quickly. >> the confirmation process is so far out of control, it's nothing like today what the framers of the constitution intenneded. i think the senate rules are being grotesquely abused. it brings government to a grinding halt. fundamentally the senate's role for executive branch nominee is different for judicial nominees because they have life tenure, is really not to be exercised because senators are the opposition party, disagree with the philosophy of the incumbent president and the people he's trying to put in position. so i think steps ought to be taken really to give people an up or down vote. senators want to vote against them, that's their prerogative. have a vote. stand out in the rain. do what you're elected to do. don't hide in procedural delays. >> martha: thanks, john bolton. very good to have you with us.
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a lot to talk about and we hope to continue the conversation as you move into this new very important position as you take on the next chapter of your life as the national security adviser april 9. thank you very much for being here tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> martha: you bet. joining me now, bill bennett host of the bill bennett podcast. welcome to you on another breaking news night. we brought you on to talk about one thing and now we're going to talk about john bolton who clearly is in an interesting position having just been offered the job. you worked in the white house. your thoughts on this pick. >> yeah. very interesting interview. martha, you were relentless. >> martha: well, you know, he's in a tough position. it's interesting when you go from being a contributed and someone that talks freely about his opinions and he's on the record on so many different topics. now he's in a different moment. but yeah. >> like john bolton, i'm a fox
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news contributor and will stay that way. i've had three jobs in government. after every one, i was told one thing. shut up and don't say anything. he's a very strong character with very strong views. it's a public record. his view is public. interestingly a different view of the world than donald trump's in terms of foreign policy, international policy. interventionist, more engaged. more engaged in nation building. obviously there's a connection on style. he's district, strong. trump likes that, admired that. team of rival. a strong guy with a different point of view. donald trump likes different points of view. he will get one. >> martha: he certainly there. you know, just makes you wonder. john bolton is very outspoken. he's very hawkish on russia. i don't know if you would agree with that characterization.
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he's been very outspoken on the poisoning. he says north korea, a military option has to be on the table to get somewhere. you look around the globe. he's taken a different perspective than what we heard from general mattis. you wonder what that team of rivals will produce. >> no one has accused donald trump of lacking self-confidence. when you have that kind of self-confidence that the president has, you don't fear someone with a different point of view. though i'm not sure it's a different point of view. the fact that donald trump has said things that people want him to say about putin may not mean anything. he feels he needs to negotiate with him and he thinks the congratulations -- i agree with bolton -- it was pro forma. congratulations are not policy. it's politeness. i'm glad a strong guy is in there. john bolton knows a heck of a lot. he's truly very experienced in
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this and a great addition. >> martha: very interesting. interesting night. bill, thank you. good to see you tonight. >> you bet ya. thank you. >> martha: coming up next, trump's top attorney, john dowd quits as the mueller investigation heats up. what does this mean for the president's legal strategy? constitutional law attorney jonathan turley here on why he says dowd's departure is not good news at the white house. directv gives you more for your thing.
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contention on that. jonathan turley says the shakeup could signal a change in the trump legal strategy. writing in a new op-ed, the combination of dowd's resignation and the addition of joseph digenova is takening a sign of a more combative approach by the white house. jonathan turley joins me now. always good to see you. thank you for being here tonight. it's interesting. i'm looking at the parallels of the conversation i just had with john bolton and the changes in the legal team. you used the words full contact. the president is entering into a full contact phase of this with the people he's bringing on board and perhaps the same can be said of his advisers at the white house as well. >> that's right. i think there's an analogy to the lack of communication.
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a cool hand luke of a failure to communication. there was the failure with dowd. not always necessarily his fault. but he's had these public disconnects where his statements had to be pulled back or recorrected. that reflects a break down in the relationship. the greater concern is whether we'll see a significant change in strategy. dowd -- while dowd was against reportedly the president sitting down because he was -- with mueller because he was afraid of a perjury trap, he was someone that advocated great cooperation with mueller. now, i've known joe for many years. he's a very good lawyer. he is a very aggressive lawyer. he takes a dim view of mueller's investigation. the danger is that. if you try to take an aggressive approach at this time, it may play into the hands of trump's critics. mueller is not going to get
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spooked. you don't spook a guy with a desk full of criminal subpoenas. he's going to pursue this as aggressively as the team itself may be in dealing with him. >> martha: you make a great point. i'm sorry if i interrupted you. you talked about roy cohen and the president's relationship with him in new york and he was raised as a businessman and a confrontational approach. he never settled cases. looks like he's -- he's in that mode right now it would appear with these selections that he's making. >> well, i do think the president's view of lawyering was influenced heavily by roy cohen, who is a rather infamous figure. he died disbarred and heavily in debt. that's not what is called for her. the president has reportedly an offer on the table to speak to
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mueller on four categories. those are notable in major sense because they don't include a clear collusion category. there's a collusion light issue about the trump tower. i would be encouraged by those categories. they don't include stormy daniels on payments to women, they don't appear to include the financial questions raised with moscow trump tower. these were really seriously threatening subjects to go into an interview with. he could thread this needle. he could do the four categories, but he will have to be prepped and he needs to listen to counsel and needs counsel that he communicates with. it's a high risk strategy. false statements have been the greatest threat for this president. he could do this if he allows himself to be prepped and he stays close to that script. >> martha: fascinating. one last question about the other side of the equation. those that are calling for a
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second special counsel to discuss the way that all of this was handled, the hillary clinton investigation and everything else. what has come to light is more information on the suggestion that james clapper was misleading in his testimony to the house intel committee when he talked about his leaks, you know, or his decision to share information, however you want to put it, with cnn and other media outlets. what is your reaction to that part of this just-released information from the republican side of the memo? >> in fairness to clapper, we haven't heard his position. he was accused of false testimony before congress with regard to the surveillance program. he admitted that he did not tell the truth at that point. this would be a serious question about when he would be a cnn contributor, when the leaks occurred. we're really seeing a very transparent and not always
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pleasing view of how washington works. >> martha: james comey admitting that he leaked information that may have contained classified information as you pointed out here, also andrew mccabe being assessed, charged, however you want to put it with the same suggestion that he was leaking to newspapers as well and now james clapper is on the list. we'll see where that goes. good to see you. >> thanks. >> martha: great column as always. so it's been a controversial practice in iceland for years. abortions for nearly 100% of unborn babies that are diagnosed with downs syndrome. tonight there's a push from the vatican to end that practice. an inspiring story that will give everyone a lot to think about in terms of this. when gina louden joins me next.
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>> have basically eradicated downs syndrome from society. >> martha: it has been a controversial practice in iceland for years. a test shows a higher risk for downs syndrome. many of the tests have false positives in them in the early
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stages of pregnancy. so iceland has a 100% termination rate after the screening indicates that compares to the united states which has a rate of 67%. it's a statistic that the vatican is speaking out about. they would like to see that number drop to zero. earlier this week, the parents of downs syndrome told the u.n. calling out countries like iceland and the u.s., the u.s. has laws to protect the eggs of bald eagles but not those children with downs syndrome. gina, thanks for being here with us. we have a picture of your son, daniel, who is beautiful on the screen right now. it's also worth pointing out, the gerber baby this year for
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the very first time is a baby who was born with downs syndrome. there he is, there's little lucas who is adorable. a pretty strong statement on their part, gina. >> it is. we had a miss u.s.a. contestant this year when had downs syndrome. she's beautiful. people with downs syndrome are accomplishing major things. that's why i'm glad you're covering this story and also that printed my op-ed on this. this story is culminating in what is a cultural clash when we are talking in terms of eradication of an entire group of people that do nothing, inflict no harm. name one time where you've heard of anyone with down's syndrome hurting anyone else? it doesn't happen. we talk eradicate them. we talk about eradicating pests from our house and deadly diseases. we don't talk about eradicating people. you don't have to be catholic to
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be pro life and realize that adoption like my family and i enjoy with my son, samuel, is a much better option than abortion or certainly any sort of eradication. >> one of the things that has promoted this in some ways are these testings. the testing that is done on children. when you're pregnant, you have the test. i had one that indicated the child might develop into a child with downs syndrome. didn't happen. however, that is the stage at which so many people are making this choice. i know a lot of people don't have the tests anymore because they don't want that information because it's not going to change how they feel. but it's so sad when you think about the fact that someone that, you know -- i can't imagine why somebody wouldn't want to welcome a downs baby in their lives. the positives are often false to begin with. >> let me speak to those families out there that have a test that comes back that is
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positive. my -- the lady that had my son, she planned to abort him more than one time. we're very close friends now. she would tell you, it's the best choice she ever made to give him life. i was in line for ten years to adopt samuel. people of the people that had a child with downs syndrome wanted one. families like mine were waiting for years. there's families out there waiting and i personally invite anybody facing this situation and doesn't want to parent the child to contact us. we understand that everybody has a different walk of life. i can tell you, the joy that is wrapped up in our son, samuel and the things that he teaches us as a family every day has my family stronger and march faithful. >> martha: how many kids you have? >> five children. they would all say the same
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thing, martha. that he's the joy, the smile. we call him our belly laugh. that he is. >> martha: thank you, gina. >> thanks. >> martha: so coming up next, a very interesting story on this story. why are top national security officials flocking to a network of backwoods doomsday camps just in case? colonel drew miller runs one of these ranches and he will explain lure of them next. we took legendary... and made it liberating. we took safe... and made it daring. we took intelligent, and made it utterly irresistible. we took the most advanced e-class ever... and made the most exciting e-class ever. the 2018 e-class coupe and sedan. lease the e300 sedan for $569 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.
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a farmer's what's in this kiester. a fire truck. even a marching band. and if i can get comfortable talking about this kiester, then you can get comfortable using preparation h. for any sort of discomfort in yours. preparation h. get comfortable with it. >> martha: earlier this year, under the threat of nuclear north korea and more. a scientist sounding alarm over climate change. the bulletin of atomic scientists ticked their doomsday ahead only two minutes to midnight, people. pinning some of the blame on president trump. i don't know if many people would agree that's the cause of it but there is a lot going on out there in the world. perhaps sparked a recent story in the washington examiner claimed that more
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and more there are washington officials, especially those who work in the intelligence agency that are flocking to these doomsday camps and partnerships in them. places called the fortitude ranch and others. that one is near d.c. and it helps people prepare for pending doom. here now dr. drew miller. i was going to say did doom but you are not retired air force colonel. good to have you here tonight. what is fortitude ranch? how does it work? >> fortitude ranch is a recreational and survival community. good time to go to vacation and hunt. in bad times we are a survival retreat. a place where can you go to survive a pandemic or long term electrical outage or some other disaster that leads to collapse in economic activity and loss of law and order. >> martha: are you are genuinely concerned that this is all something that we need to be prepared for. >> we absolutely do. government is not prepared to handle a pandemic. government officials will be
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protected. we're not that far from that where government officials. wealthy people can go to survival condo if you have millions of dollars. most of us will be on our own with the loss of law and order from pandemic or loss of the electrical system. police won't be able to protect you in your neighborhoods. there is going to be gangs and people out there looking for food. so you have to be able to protect yourself. >> martha: it's horrible to imagine. but these are growing -- how many fortitude ranches are there around the country. i know you don't say exactly where they are. they are mostly in the middle of nowhere, right? >> we are located in remote areas. we are in west virginia west of d.c. and also in colorado. raising funds now to expand across the u.s. >> martha: how would you characterize interest in them? has it exploded over recent years? >> it's been high and it keeps getting higher. the north korean threat is bad, for example. >> former cia director james woolsey warned last year just one north korean
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nuclear weapon that's on mizeed for electromagnetic pulse exploding over the united states could take down our electric system not for weeks or months but for over a year. former cia director warned. >> martha: how long could you survive at a fortitude ranch if this unforeseeable horrible incident were to happen? >> we produce our own food so we can last forever. as admiral woolsey warned, if there is this kind of attack and the electric system goes down, there will be societal collapse there won't be law and order and mass starvation. he estimated up to 90% of the u.s. population could potentially pear irish in a disaster like that. and the worst threat we face is pandemics. we are due for a natural pandemics and bioengineered viral pandemics that could cause a catastrophe. >> martha: this has been uplifting. i want to thank you. thank you for being here and you are giving everybody an option. dr. drew miller, thank you very much. good to see you tonight. wow. what a show. that is our story for
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tonight. we will see you back here tomorrow night. tucker carlson is in d.c. coming up next. have a good night, everybody. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. close to six months after the las vegas massacre we now have internal footage of the shooter within the hotel. we are seeing it and why are we now just seeing it for the first time? we'll bring that to you in a minute. also of course big news from the white house. ambassador john bolton now national security advisor will tell you what that means and why in just a minute. but, first, just 'everybody in the country has a smart phone. spend ago day without going online is unfathomable to almost all of us. tech rules lives ever greater degree. the so-called digital frontier is getting fenced


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