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>> ♪ ♪ pete: the real thing, isabelle and abbey huntsman, and her husband. abby: she's loving the attention right now and the lights. guys it's great to be back. ed: we'll be back tomorrow. come back tomorrow. neil: man it's hard to top that well forget draining the swamp president trump just helped congress pump more into it you're looking live near mar-a-lago, florida where the president is spending the weekend after signing off on a massive spending bill. he says he will never do it again, you had is the damage already done? why some investors here are worrying. for him and your stocks, and you're looking like at marchs against gun violence going on in washington and parkland in wake of last months high school shooting there. hundreds of thousands are expected to participate across the nation but a parkland dad who lost his daughter will not be one of them. why not? he's here to tell us, and jolt
over bolton. democrats lasting incoming national security advisor john bolton in the wake of his appointment. why is this democratic senator calling him dangerous? chris coons of delaware is here and all that and meet yet another mayor now seeking sanctuary from california becoming a sanctuary state. welcome to cavuto live. hi, everyone very happy to have you i'm neil cavuto and the president getting an earful this morning overall of that spending and spending and spending, to kevin cork in west palm beach with the very very latest. kevin? >> good morning my friends, this is what leadership looks like, neil. it is second guessing, it is monday morning quarterbacking and most importantly, this is what happens when you promise one thing and deliver something else. we'll get to the details in just a moment but as you can well imagine the white house on this weekend where the president is here in sunny florida taking a bit of a break from washington boy he certainly could use one because the white house has been reeling from the criticism, most
notably from the party of the president of the congress because this bill, this massive omnibus $1.3 trillion does right by the u.s. military and it certainly does right by national security in one sense but it failed to deliver on a number of others let's listen to what the principles are saying about this and then we'll touch base again on the back side of that. neil take this. president trump: we looked at a veto and i looked very seriously at the veto. i was thinking about doing the veto, but because of the incredible gains that we've been able to make for the military that overrode any of our thinking. >> the president noted today we received the largest military budget in history, reversing many years of decline and unpredictable funding, and together, we are going to make our military stronger than ever. we in the military are humbled and grateful to the american people for their sacrifices on
be half of this funding. >> it's unfortunate that congress chose not to listen to the men and women of dhs and those on the front lines, they told us how to build the wall where to build the wall and we will continue to work with them to make sure that the wall is where we need it how we need it as the president described and to make sure that it serves the american people and serves the security of this nation. >> so you saw some of the principles there, neil this is clearly a circumstance where the white house is of the opinion that sometimes you have to take a little caster oil when necessary in order to get things done that is obviously funding the military quite notably the conversation there between the president and jim mattis the secretary of defense really centered on this idea that cr's really don't help. you have to have the money that you can know what you want to do with it, prepare aircraft et cetera and tanks and he talked about the numbers himself but it's a very difficult pill to swallow $500 million for planned parenthood for example, not nearly as much as the wallace a
lot of people thought we would see in the omnibus bill so the president as you pointed out neil said he would never do this again and before you go i want to share a couple other nuggets. you have been talking about staff changes. we did know yesterday or learn yesterday h.r. mcmaster the national security advisor will no longer be in that position in the near future. he will be replaced, neil we're told by john bolton a man that we have seen a great deal mere on fox a fox news contributor and former ambassador over at the united nations . this has been in the works for quite some time mcmaster has been long criticized for being someone that did not have the president 's ear and one more nugget let's talk transgender if i have just a second guys i'm running a little over time. the transgender military ban independent effect for the most part will be limited, neil to very specific areas that according to the white house is the proper way to go, big pushback on that as well from chuck schumer nancy pelosi and others no surprise. just another quiet day here in south florida neil back to you.
neil: don't act like you're suffering young man. you look like it's beautiful there so go ahead and rub it in. >> it's amazing. neil: kevin thank you very very much hope to go to the later by the way john bolton was supposed to join us and he promised us he would and he blew us off. meanwhile a very ugly week in the market, all of these cross currents but the biggest up for the selling seemed to be the spending measure that was on again off again and then those tariffs. bottom line the markets lost a lot of ground over the course of the week about 5.5% for the dow a little bit more than that for the nasdac all these averages are into correction territory certainly the dow is right now in fact better than 11% from its highs reached in january. the read on all of this and what it means for you and for money, with john layfield, charlie gasparino, welcome to all. john, what do you make of this and how washington is creeping into wall street here in a weird way? >> i think that's exactly what's going on the biggest thing in the market is tariffs and
potential trade war i don't think it's equitable to put tariffs on china they can hurt us more than we can hurt them and i think the spending trend is the problem right here not just the trillion dollars this continuing resolution. there's no difference between republicans and democrats, doubled under bush, doubled under obama and back down to trillion dollar deficits. neil: would you have been happier had he vetoed that stack of papers? >> oh, goodness yeah, this is the easiest financial crisis coming in history, he may have 15-20 years but yields go up because we have to issue so much more debt and that's a short term effect but our country is being leveraged so these guys can get re-elected nobody cares about spending . yes i'd happy if he vetoed it. neil: charlie gasparino the talk was the president was quite serious he was going to at the last second veto this and then it was his chief of staff kelly who urging defense secretary mattis to talk to him and get him off that ledge but do you know the back story on this and what the implications are? charlie: i don't think anybody really knows the back story to
be honest with you, apparently the deal was cut last week everybody thought he was going to sign it and then at the last minute, this is sort of typical trump, you know, he's his own guy and he changes, you know that's why whenever you think somebody is out like mcmaster or two weeks ago, then you've got to think he might not have been out but then he is out so you got to be really careful with predicting trump and especially -- neil: wouldn't it had been more trouble had he vetoed it for the markets? charlie: long term i agree with everything john said particularly if these tax cuts don't work next year, or the year after we're going to issue a lot more debt, interest rates are going to like spike because we're not going to get the tax revenues coming in from an extra gdp. short term the markets are very much focused and i'll tell you this neil. during the election when people both republicans and democrats thought trump would blow up the market remember it was a meme out there one of the reasons why they said that is not because of tax cuts and
deregulation is they thought he would start a trade war because he would renegotiate nafta and do this or that on trade and go after the chinese. remember he put that aside to do tax cuts and deregulation markets love that and now he's going back to his campaign promise which is very unsettling to the economy and the markets. neil: we shall see. charlie: if he goes through with it neil the markets go down more neil: christy what was odd to a lot of democratic leaders did like the president's approach continued to like the president 's approach on dealing with the chinese, and it is time for a little tit for tat. i don't know the significance of that that he has more support on the democratic side for these measures than he does on the republican side but it is what it is. how do you feel about that the people you talk to how do they feel about it? >> well i don't know how the other people feel about it but personally i actually agree with the panel which is china can do a lot more damage to us than we can do to them. we're obviously the world's biggest debt. they are our biggest creditor.
i don't think -- neil: you think they'll slow down or reverse those purchases? >> you know, obviously it's complicated longer, long gone are the days where it's just the u.s. and china doing one-to-one trade, obviously the iphone that gets made in china also then parts are made in mexico it's hard to say but look here is what i think that the bigger problem, the bigger reason that the stock markets dropped as much as they did this week was yes, it was tariffs, yes it was sort of the spectrum of global trade war but also just a general chaos in the trump adminitration this week which yes of course we've been dealing with that for the last year but more so this week with mcmaster out, with trump saying that potentially he would just be his own chief of staff, lord help us neil: but you know, the markets were doing just fine through that drama. i think everything hit the fan on the tariff news and on friday with spending but again it's always in the eye of the
beholder i will say this john layfield that one of the things and she mentioned what's going on with apple and the reverberations there, tim cook is a little nervous enough to say he hopes paraphrasing cooler heads prevail where do you think this goes? >> i hope it doesn't go to a trade war because just like charlie said the biggest thing in the election is the border adjusted tax people were worried about and the tariffs and he goes to tax cuts first which helped the economy and the economy started taking off and markets took off and now you go back to tariffs and it didn't work in 2009 with president obama when he issued a tire tariff and didn't work in 2002 with the steel tariff with president bush and both lost jobs and neither increased production. neil: but does everyone agree with you? if you want to just be a contrarian, you were a good investor and everyone is of that view this tariff move is dumb. now, along comes this president to say i might be able to extract concessions out of them before this 45 day grace period is up and i could make layfield
come. charlie: no it won't. neil: what do you think? >> if it's a negotiation tactic yes. i would agree with that but take general motors stock in which i own they sold 3.6 million cars in the united states and 4.04 million in china it's so much easier for them to hurt our car makers. neil: but the governments don't pay for this you and i do. charlie: in his defense and my defense and the market's defense , markets price in the fear of what might happen, right neil: and then they have to unwind that fear if they're wrong. charlie: not if they're wrong but if he calls the bluff if he doesn't do what he says he's going to do. neil: that's what i asked him everyone agrees with both of you charlie: but if he goes through -- neil: i'm just saying. charlie: if he goes through with a trade war markets won't come back. neil: what if he gets china? charlie: the market will come back. neil: real quickly if he gets the chinese to blink and realize look we need them a lot more than they need us when they realize that's the president's point of view then is it a moot
point all of us? charlie: yes. >> no, because of all of the points i made earlier that the chaos still reigns in the white house we still have the mueller investigation getting even hotter by the day. the lawsuits from stormy daniels and others are not going away and maybe -- charlie: i understand the notion of stocks trading down on mueller developments and when he changed it -- neil: you're not buying a stock storm off stormy? charlie: no and long term if you think about it he backs off -- >> listen he can't implement his agenda if he's not in office. charlie: a massive corporate tax cut and deregulation and we don't have a trade war even if mike pence becomes president investors will like that. neil: well there we go. >> [laughter] neil: it's just going to dragon for some time thank you all very much. meanwhile congress is out of town with the march is pushing for gun control in the wake of the school shooting. griff jenkins live in washington
d.c. where the march has already kicked off. hey, griff. griff: hey, neilment we're standing in the middle of pennsylvania avenue and i don't know if it's 500,000 but a lot turned out the teenagers are taking center stage, rallying against gun violence and they want gun legislation and let me just try and give you a little look the sun is a bit bright but look at all these people and these signs up there is the march for our lives stage, attracting several celebrities from miley cyrus to demi lovato and the create or of hamilton, but i want to get you to what this is all about, neil and that is these students. with me right now, a young student dillon smith from cleona , pennsylvania. dillon you're a senior in high school you never seen anything like thus you came. why did you come? >> well i came for commonsense gun laws and to support the students who helped put this
together. griff: and do you hope they accomplish something, something happens? >> yes, i do. i hope they will accomplish something. griff: let me ask your mother, sarah is a school teacher in middle school, sarah, what do you hope today produces? >> well i'm hoping for more common sense gun laws to protect students and to protect everyone in our society you should be able to go to the movies, the mall without fear of an ar15 and i'm here to support my son and his first march. griff: very exciting and you see the signs here a lot of them directed at the nra, neil just a quick note in the last 24 hours we have seen some progress and that is in the omnibus spending bill they passed there are provisions for stricter background checks as well as the president instructing attorney general jeff sessions to pass that regulation to ban bump stocks, neil back to you. neil: griff: thank you very very much in the meantime, everyone seems is part of this but one dad who lost his girl at that
neil: seeking sanctuary from america's first sanctuary state more california cities counties are drying to opt out of the state law protecting illegal immigrants but the cities republican mayor is leading the charge by the way as always we seek out the other point of view and we did reach out to the oakland mayor, and her office said that they are going to consistently pass on an option to join us and i kind of admire that if you hiatus you might as well say we so loathe you we will just never appear with you, which is more than we got from john bolton. all right, so very good to have you mayor. you're doing this why? you think this is hurting your
community? explain. >> hi, neil. so this is why i'm doing it. i worked at the orange county sheriffs department for 29 years and my business was taking people to jail and business was good, so my lens i looked through is public safety and this law makes us less safe so for me the reason i'm doing it is to protect my residents. i take it personal the safety of my residents so i think this law just makes us less safe. it's about letting criminals out of jail, period. that's what it's about and this state is doing is simply unconstitutional and it's making us less safe that's why i'm doing it. neil: what kind of reaction have you got in the community? >> its been overwhelmingly positive actually. i've been answering e-mails now for the last two days since we announced this and its been going about 50:1 in favor. neil: do you think, mayor, if your counterpart in oakland, the oakland mayor hadn't done this or given a heads up to illegals
that's how it was interpreted, a heads up, ice would have had an easier time rounding up the folks that wanted to round up? >> well i don't think there's any question about that neil in my opinion. you know, what she did was she actually victimized another innocent person because one of the suspects who was wanted by ice, physically assaulted his girlfriend while he was evading arrest from ice, so what she did is just, it is unthinkable in my opinion. she basically committed a felony by harboring those fugitives and why she's not facing any repercussions for obstructing justice is just a travesty in my opinion. neil: you know she's not and she's not going to face any such penalties does that surprise you >> doesn't surprise me that she's not? neil: yeah. >> yeah, it does surprise me. i worked fugitive warrants for a couple years and that was my job was look for people who were wanted and if anybody had done what she did i would have
arrested them. it's a felony in california so it does surprise me apparently the law only works on the law- abiding citizens. it doesn't account for criminals neil: are you worried what this means, despite what you're doing , mayor what this means for california that people are less inclined to want to setup shop there, move there, there's been an exodus of some leading the state and for other reasons high taxes and the like but i'm sure these types of issues don't help >> no, they don't help neil but i'm always really appreciative of any business that opens not only in california but in my city so i think standing up like this and you look at all of the other cities that are doing it as well not just my city but a lot of cities we're making a statement that we are here to protect not only our residents but our businesses as well so i think that hopefully gives them a little bit of comfort that i'm looking out for them, other cities are looking out for their businesses so they have some protection, so hopefully, we can turn the tide a little bit on this exodus from our state.
neil: mayor thank you very much for taking the time we do appreciate it. >> thank you neil. neil: maybe marco rubio had it right if you don't like the president just quit on him. right? or wrong? sfx: muffled whistle text alert. i'm your phone, stuck down here between your seat and your console, playing a little hide-n-seek. cold... warmer... warmer... ah boiling. jackpot. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, you could be picking up these charges yourself. so get allstate, where agents help keep you protected from mayhem... ...like me. mayhem is everywhere. are you in good hands?
>> if you don't like the guy, quit but to continue to leak things out, it's dangerous and so i don't like what he did but i really hate that there's someone in his inner circle that wants to link this and if you don't line working for the president you should resign your job. neil: you know i think that's short and sweet and i think marco rubio is on to something here to say that if you have a
problem with the president or you want to keep leaking stuff on a call or notes on a call to vladimir putin why don't you just leave because you're not doing anyone including yourself any good and to yourself you're just look really a nasty person and a phony. there's a report that john bolton by the way is preparing to clean house when he takes over as national security advisor of course we'd love to find out more, but mr. bolton canceled us so i'd love to go straight to the horse 's mouth and get his read on things but he canceled at the last second, but, fortunately the washington examiner is keeping his word and joining us now and emily, i think marco rubio raises a very very valid point. all this leaking going on you're not doing anyone any good and serving the washington media which loves to tear this administration apart for whatever reason, so if you hate the guy that much or you hate being in the white house so much , get the hell out.
>> i think this is a good response from the senator because when you're considering a leak on this level that constitutes this type of betrayal, i think what you have to be wondering is it's one thing to have a policy disagreement with the president on occasion for whom you work and i understand that but this suggests something so much more intense and deeper you have to be wondering why this person continues to be in the white house of a president they're going to betray on this level of the press it's a very fair question to ask and a very fair concern to have the senator called it dangerous and that's something people in the white house immediate to start thinking about as well. neil: what makes it dangerous is theres not one or two people doing this there appear to be many what do you make of that? >> that's exactly true there are many people doing this it's a habit because they're trying to offer course correction through the media which is a terrible way to run the white house and yeah, it creates situations like this is a call with vladimir putin i mean this is serious stuff to be leaking. it's not minor, you know, squabbling, this is a big deal and so yeah it's something that needs to be brought under
control. neil: do you think that's why the president erupts to the degree or surprises people not even mentioning what he is going to do or think of doing to his chief of staff even on this potential veto of the spending measure yesterday because if he said it to anyone, to anyone it would be out there and all of a sudden all bets are off. >> yeah i think that's another reason this is dangerous because the president is in a situation now in very sensitive circumstances, who has vladimir putin where he can't trust the people surrounding him to keep the information private and you have to imagine being a president in that situation your communication, everything is going to be really hard it causes serious obsticles to governance and so when wie talking about how this is dangerous it's another great example. neil: i do wonder too, on foreign policy issues where we get a lot of the leaking seems to be on whether you have gone too far on tariffs, whether you've gone too far with vladimir putin or if that's the impression and the so-called globalist versus those who have a more hard line approach hence
the president building a foreign policy team that seems to be more hard lined or deemed hard lined what do you read into that >> that's a correct observation. a lot of the facts in the white house where there is so much disagreement is on national security issues and you can tell how new appointments you lock at someone like john bolton how the white house is sort of shifting in one direction and yes i think that's a thing that we are all paying very close attention to here how, you know there's where there was this faction that's played out over the past year it looks like one side is winning now. neil: emily thank you very very much i'm glad you kept to your word and came on, all right in the meantime, is it me or is everyone fascinated in a certain stormy interview, i mean, i understand that these things have a sort of media appeal, but i don't know. we'll show now and then some video of stormy but i think the storm over your money, i think the storm over regulation, the
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what's going on? republican congressman darrel issa in the beautiful state of california what is going on congressman? >> what's going on is theres a great deal of energy in the pro- business community to contribute and help perpetuate, if you will, the kinds of reductions in regulations, tax changes, things that are so pro business in this administration and on the democratic side you see a lot of activities by union paid for groups and so on, but it doesn't translate into the common historic democrat giving to his party, just the opposite in michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, these democrats are proud of this president. neil: so i'm wondering if republicans going forward can match the energy that they're getting on the fundraising run on the election run. now i know you've opted out of this campaign, many established republicans some three dozen others now have done similarly. you could raise a lot of money but it's still not going to
change those potentially processes right? >> well my replacement candidates on the republican side are not only raising money but three out of three are in fact in our polling showing they're going to beat any of the democrats in my district, so it's actually going to be a good year because of the policies of this president and i think if you ask the question of how do republicans win, they win by not only embracing the president but helping him go further. you know, the omnibus we just passed was not what it could have been. the president signed it because he needed the money for defense, but the reality is we, in the remaining time before the election, we have an opportunity to help the president, help him with regulate relief. neil: well he threw you guys under the bus because he says you're driving off the cliff and if i interpret his concern about the measure and he was quite rightfully ticked off about it, the fact of the matter is that i
don't see him being a supporter of what republicans want to do, and i would imagine some of those republicans aren't really supporting him calling him out. >> well, he's got a point which is that business as usual was in the omnibus. there was a considerable amount of money that the president didn't want and didn't ask for and he would have preferred that go to revitalizing our military or building the wall. neil: but why does that happen, congressman because average americans here that republicans have the run of the table, the house and the senate, the white house so a lot of people who don't know the business procedures there are saying these republicans can't get out of their own way. >> well, there's a lot of history there, some of it we'll blame on the senate but some is just the process of four people sitting in a room at the end, nancy pelosi being one of them figuring out what stays and what goes out and cutting deals. the fact is we have not drained the swamp enough from a house standpoint.
clearly we're still addicted to special interest spending and our priorities, the priorities of the president that he won on have not yet become the priority of some members of congress. you know there's a reason that the freedom caucus has a seat at the table and that's because they've been asking for the kinds of cutbacks and unnecessary spending and almost every one of them supports the investment in the military and as -- neil: almost every one of them rejected this congressman. so i guess what i'll ask you is i know are you worried about what you'll be leaving that even if the republicans were to hang on and there's some debate there as to whether they can, no one knows what the hell they stand for. well you're exactly right. if you run toward the president, disagree with him on occasions, help him go further on occasions , but if you embrace this very popular movement that president trump is growing one that enjoys considerable cross
over, we're going to not only hold our seats but we could win. neil: yeah but they don't embrace a lot of it what they don't embrace is a lot of what the president is particularly on tariffs, they're not keen on that, they're not keen on what he's doing there, so i just get a feeling that everyone is asking whose on first and no one knows. >> well you know people say they don't like the tariffs but let's look at last week. the presidents announcement on finally holding china thible for stealing our technology, forcing transfers of technology, something that the europeans and everyone ideal within the free-trade world agrees with. he finally had the guts to do it that's an example where republicans need to embrace the fact that it's not pleasant to have to go go to a mini trade war with china, but if you don't stop china's bad behavior and i've been in industries before i came to congress where he ripped us off all the time in consumer electronics and chip development and so on so the fact is sometimes it's hard to admit
that you can't just be a free-trader and let the other side deal. the president is standing up to that, republicans including free-traders like myself recognize it's time to hold china accountable and so yes, there's some we'd like to have it done in a way that was harmonious but it probably won't be but to get the job done, you have to be like reagan. you have to be willing to both be for free-trade and hold unfair traders accountable and the president is doing that. neil: we'll watch very very closely congressman always a pleasure thank you sir. thank you neil. neil: the congressman touched on these tariffs but a lot of folks are worried these kind of things get out out of control, tim cook is already hoping he hopes the calm prevail as he likes to put it charles payne follows these markets closely they have their doubts don't they? charles: yeah well i think the markets have their doubt but i think they're also manipulating the situation. if you look at all 1200 points we lost in the last two trading days they all started at 2:00
some sort of magical sale program kicked in. neil: really? charles: yeah, 700 points began at 2:01 thursday and then another 500 points, 550 points and i think wall street is trying to send washington a message. i think wall street is trying to bully the white house. listen to what darrel issa said i love what he just said. this is a man by the way a self- made millionaire because he was in this industry. you remember "step away from the car"? darrel issa so that was his business, his company was ripped off left and ride. neil: so you think wall street is trying to force the president to back off? charles: absolutely. neil: that sounds crazy. charles: i know it does but listen if you watched each session from each of these market sessions we were up 150 points yesterday. why did a sell-off 550 points into the close? we were actually up -- neil: didn't it accelerate a little bit on reports the president was going to veto the spending measure into charles: that was in the morning i'm
talking before going into 2:00 the market was up. neil: but what would be the magic pumpkin pick-off? charles: listen you start to sell programs kick in i don't understand exactly how it's done i do know it's very suspicious behavior that there was no news at 2:00 and that's going to change during the session but i was watching your segment earlier and john layfield and take general motors okay? i understand china is an important market but look what china made them do. made them build factories there that cost americans jobs and one of the hottest cars that gm has the buick envision is exported out of china into america, so sometimes what's good for the stock isn't always good for americans and that's what we have to really understand sometimes, wall street it's, you know, 20, 40, 50 years ago was much of a 101 proxy for the american economy and now the dow jones industrial average is almost always about international growth which is fine but i don't think it's a perfect proxy for americans any
more. neil: i was very much respect your money because when everyone is going one way there was charles payne saying, you know, look, does it bother you that everyone is saying this and the president's quite right. the chinese do play very unfairly and presidents of both parties in the past have tried to deal with this doing all the nice and politically correct things that have all gotten screwed. what i'm asking though do you get a sense from this that people forget. it's not governments who are going to pay these tariffs. it's folks like you and me. charles: right. neil: and will they still bear the brunt of that? you have to go go to wal-mart or elsewhere and the items you want are much more expensive are you still going to support this president? charles: i think president trump 's core voters would have supported a government shutdown. you know, i think it's more the elite and wall street and those people that are so afraid that's like we have to sacrifice main street america to status quo whether it's shutting down governments or whether it's pushing back against someone we know, we know china's ripping us
off americans know this and yet everyone says don't fight back. what kind of country is this? this is not the same country that became independent from england something changed really badly and i think the people that get to express opinions are out of touch with a majority of americans. neil: but you don't see this spreading for example? i heard a number down steel producers users who want similar type relief and then one person 's relief gets to be another because i can remember talking with you around the time of the meltdown when it was the automakers and then everyone else was stepping forward, by the way wall street is rich about this because wall street itself was the beneficiary of some help, but that it's a me too thing that started. charles: well that's always the case but i think as we saw yesterday by the time the steel tariffs kicked in yesterday it was just china i think on the list, so i'm just joking about zip back way. neil: i know. charles: but the bottom line here is that i don't look at it as picking a winner within an american industry but the idea is to try to pick americans as winners over foreign workers who
are not competing on a level playing field and by the way, 50 million, 50 billion in tariff s agree to 3 billion in tariffs. i think we'll come out of this much better. neil: they had a very tentative response. charles: unless you like, you know, some of the things on there, but i think we're going to be okay. i just think waving the white flag at the onset is a mistake. neil: just work it out with lay field. he was upset. charles: [laughter] neil: all right, charles payne man oh, man the best there is. all right, the president keeps mentioning robert mueller but mentions him by name so if there's a sit-down to happen is it a wise idea? i want you to meet the lawyers for the president after his top lawyer resigned, the dumbest one my healthy routine helps me feel my best. so i add activia yogurt to my day. with its billions of live and active probiotics, activia may help support my digestive health, so i can take on my day. activia. now in probiotic dailies.
might have to talk to mueller some day. the question is would it be wise for the president to talk to the special counsel or is it a setup and would he regret that? my next guest says he would regret that, in fact regret that big time. i'll get it right. might people. lisa, you're premise is be careful what you wish for you might get it. all of a sudden, you're going into areas you didn't think you'd want to go. explain. >> anybody that walks into a room to be questioned by authorities puts thyself in jeopardy. right? it's a different setting it's not sitting here even on television they're looking for an answer trying to make a case so every question really has an objective and we don't know what that is right? it's a very wide net in this case. neil: but the president says he did nothing wrong so he feels like yeah, i'll talk to the guy i want to talk to the guy and you say even if you've done nothing wrong you to go into
areas you don't want to be right >> well he says he hasn't done anything wrong but obviously issuing another subpoena would indicate that somebody believes that you have information of wrongdoing right? neil: in other words going back to like the trump organization days? >> right and we know that he is essentially a target, this is big news, he's sitting president and this just can't seem to go away for anybody but trump, you know -- neil: but there's business records trying to get their hands-on anything that goes back in time and i know from the ken star investigation with bill clinton the original intent was to look at real estate deals that ended up being an intern in a blue dress. is that the fear here, that specific-type case but that it goes far from what it was originally meant to look at? >> well the fear is they're subpoenaing the party to be a witness and in fact is he really a subpoenaed witness? because you subpoena witnesses to build cases against other
people, that's what they're used for. you don't subpoena the party that you're charging generally, but in this case, that seems to be what they're doing and so any lawyer will tell their client why on earth would you go into a room when you know and of course from all the comments that we hear, the witch hunt, even his lawyers have indicated that they believe there's some bias in this investigation. neil: do you think there is just as a lawyer looking at it from the outside? >> i think it's a very political investigation and i think politics is bias so in that regard i think it would have to be. neil: do you think the president mentioning or calling out mueller by name is a mistake? >> i think that you have to respect the different branches of government. i think that the executive branch of the presidency should certainly look at the legislative branch and the judiciary and give them their credence right? and so yeah, you can't just go rogue and throw caution to the
wind and i think that's the problem but that seems to be -- neil: how long do you think? >> i think we could see a subpoena if there's enough you could see a subpoena and then it will become a legal challenge that could last several months. we are about to go into 2018 primaries and everybodies looking at 2020 elections, so is that the strategy? are they trying to drag it out so that we see another person running under investigation like clinton. neil: okay lisa thank you very very much so much we don't know the march continues right now but it hasn't formally kicked off but the crowds are there. they don't want any more school shootings is this the way to go about it though? a dad says no.
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neil: all right, these marchs are going on around the country today, to put an end to the violence as students across the country try to make their views known and the white house issued a statement saying we applaud the many young americans exercising their first amendment rights keeping our children safe is the top priority of the president which is why he urged congress to pass and stop the school violence act and sign them into law additionally on friday the department of justice issued a rule to ban bump stocks following through on the president's commitment to ban devices that turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns, of course those devices were not at play in the florida shooting nevertheless many of them arguing it is a step in that direction. we're going to talk to a dad who lost a student in that florida shooting that says that this is not the right direction what these kids are doing while it's certainly well-intentioned this is not the way to go about it in the meantime fox news
correspondent brian dennis is with those protesters in central park with the very latest. hi, brian. reporter: hi, neil well that's right we're here with 30,000 people and yes the main event is in washington d.c. where 500,000 plus are expected but there are 800 events happening all around the country nearly a march in every single state. today here at about 11:00 three speakers from marjory stoneman douglas will speak and they'll have a moment of silence at the beginning for the 17 kids who were gunned down and you can tell some of the signs here obviously from the protesters here they'll be marching to mid town today in the next hour or so. basically though, you know, it's hard to not say that these students have had some kind of an affect remember in the state of florida what these students and this movement is calling for ultimately is for the ban of a u.s. rifles, the ban of high capacity magazines and florida
passing their first gun legislation in over 20 years because of the movement from these students and what they're asking for here is continuously asking for that now the one thing that happened in florida that the students weren't particularly happy about is that the state of florida had $67 million for a program for librarians and counselors to protect students we saw what happened in maryland and we saw just this past week, when a gunman entered the great mills high school and shot and killed ultimately a 16 year old that died yesterday when she was brain dead. well that officer, is somebody who came in and confronted that gunman with a gun and the national rifle association was pointing to that incident and saying look, this is why good guys with guns is a good thing so ultimately we understand what these students and what these folks have been protesting about and they're going to continue to push for that gun control legislation but there's no doubt this debate is far from being over, and actually, we'll admit and tell you that they know that
this isn't something that they expect to be solved perhaps this year but they say that they're going to vote those out who don't help enact and push for their gun control measures so obviously these folks are here and it is a beautiful day we expect tens of thousands here and again about 800 different marchs throughout the world really, neil. neil: all right thank you very very much my friend in the meantime i want to go to parkland, florida where you'll find matt pen on a rally there. matt? reporter: neil there are thousands of people here in parkland right now, a couple of student speakers behind us right now there was just a call for people to register to vote and get 17 other people to vote, the theme today as is across the world is enough is enough. people here are saying they want to cause a revolution and have an impact on elections, now this is of course the origin of the shooting and the origin of this nationwide march today, parkland florida. these marchers are gathering to demand congress to take up gun control legislation in particular they want a bannon
sale of assault weapons and prohibiting the sale of high capacity magazines and also closing loopholes and background checks organizers of today's nationwide march calling it a revolution, this march also has anti-gop, anti-nra sentiment. we could see those writings and posters around here and of course, fox news has led a lot of the coverage and investigative reporting here at parkland and we have determined there were terrible failures by the broward county sheriffs office that caused deputies not to rush in and save lives. we know there was a school resource officer here found on tape not going inside to save lives and ultimately we know there were a series of red flagged raise for nikolas cruz the shooter and unfortunately the authorities and school did not do anything to unvoluntarily commit to any or to stop him so today this is an anti-gun, anti- nra stance these students and thousands of marchers want change but there is another side
that suggests there could have been done more to stop this shooter. neil? neil: thank you matt very very much now a father of a parkland shooting victim, alaina petty, is joining us right now not at any of these events he understands the support what the kids are trying to do but doesn't think this is the way to go about it mr. petty thank you for taking the time. >> thank you for having me. neil: how are you and your family doing these days? >> well we're still having a rough time. we miss our daughter alaina. she was such an integral part of our family. we love her very much and we miss her. the mornings are very very difficult for us getting her ready to go to school and just being with her. we miss her a >> that's an understatement and i'm sure i didn't want to put you in a tough position, sir, as a dad, but i did want to get a sense of why you are
not at any of these rallies going on around the country and you had said, well, you understood what a lot of the kids are trying to do, but there might be smarter ways to go about it. can you explain that? >> sure. look, i appreciate the passion and the energy that's being displayed today and i considered participating, but my concern from the beginning has been after every mass shooting, after every school shooting we inevitably head down the path of an argument over the second amendment and gun control. it's a legislative road to nowhere in my opinion. so, i stepped back. we talked about legislators here in florida, we talked with the governor. governor scott put a very good proposal in front of the state, in front of the legislators
here and it was something that could be passed in a bipartisan fashion and i'm happy to say, i'm pleased to say if three weeks we got the bill passed in record time, including what some would call new gun control measures, the first time in 22 years in the state of florida any new gun restrictions have been passed. so we did it, but we did it by being inclusive and did it by finding common ground, did it by trying to push a bipartisan agenda and we've had some success. building on that, we've now got two new laws passed in the u.s. congress. three laws in five weeks. the act was signed into law by president trump and the stop school violence act and we're pleased with the progress we've made and i think it's a testament to trying it a different way. neil: you know, sir, you talked
about rapid changes that happened in florida that surprised a lot of folks, democrats, republicans, gun advocates and not alike. a lot of the kids with the protest want to see that kind of thing in our nation and while they've mentioned that raising that you could get the assault rifles to 21 pushed for and approved in florida would be good nationwide and that's what many are rallying for around the country. what do you think of that? >> well, i think there are common sense things we can do. without getting into the specific issues, i would say, our focus has been two-fold. one is, what can we do to protect our children and teachers in school. what are the measures that we can take to improve security? there were clearly lapses in security in parkland that we need-- that need to be addressed and
state of florida's set up a commission to study school safety and we'll make some recommendations. three of the fathers from parkland are on that commission and so we're going to take a look at what can we do to improve the security of our schools and our children and teachers while they're at school. number two, what are the things we can do to keep guns away from people that shouldn't have them? nationally they're called red flag laws. in florida we called it a risk protection order. risk protection orders have been used three times already in the state of florida, including earlier this week, where a student at university of central florida had made some threats against the school and law enforcement was able to go in and remove firearms from that student and who knows, perhaps they averted more school violence. so those are the things we're focused on legislatively.
neil: you're a dad who lost a beautiful daughter and you heard after wards while elaina and others were getting gunned down an armed officer who was at the school was outside and you talked about other slip-ups that occurred. how did you feel about all that? >> well, i'm heartbroken. the most sacred trust we have as parents is protecting our children and we sent elaine to school that day to a school we thought was safe, with school resource officer present. we thought she would come home that evening and she didn't. so we've learned a powerful lesson this past few weeks.
we have to be more involved as parents. we need information from the school district, we need information from law enforcement, we need to be part of the equation in determining what threats are present at our schools and we need to be able to protect our kids. ultimately it's our responsibility to do that and we need to be in the loop and be a part of that discussion and process. neil: what's amazing about you and telling you this as a fellow dad, is the lack of heady anger or justifiable anger on your part and your willingness to seek understanding of those who are either alienated at schools or feel that they could be. you had written not too long ago instead of walking out at school, encourage students to walk up, walk up to the kid who sits alone at lunch, invite him to sit with your group. walk up to the kid who sits quietly in the corner of the room and sit next to her and
smile and say hi. walk up to the kids who causes disturbances in class and ask how he's doing. walk up to your teachers and thank them. walk up to someone who has different views than you and get to know them. there's a lot of anger going on up there and i urged a lot of people who have not read what you wrote to do so. but you say, build on a foundation instead of casting stones. i challenge students to find 14 students and three adults to walk up to and say something nice and honor those who died in florida referring to the 17 who died, including your beautiful daughter. was that hard for you to do? hard for you to write, hard for you to get over this sense of i have a vendetta, i'm angry, i want there would be payback? >> the criminal process will play-- will play itself out and my family is very involved in that as are the other families, so,
that-- i have faith that that will work through. what i was trying to say with the walkup by promoting walkup, and trying to encourage that is some things i learned in d.c. last week from the secret service. there are six character characteristics of the school shooters, one is they tell other people what their plans are and that was certainly the case here in parkland. what i'm hoping to do with walkup, change the culture in school. students aren't afraid when they hear something, they're encouraged to say something and hopefully the adults will do something. that's my message with walkup. i do think we need to improve the culture in our schools. we do need to be more inclusive and kind, but-- and ultimately, changing the culture will actually improve the safety of our schools, and that that's why i'm promoting
that. i believe that's a longer lasting solution than just simply marching one day and then moving on. neil: ryan petty, you're a remarkable dad and clearly had a remarkable daughter. >> yeah, yep. neil: you're a remarkable man. i cannot imagine your pain, but thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. neil: we will have more. broccoli!
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election in russia poisoning people on the soil of our biggest ally. >> this would be like j. edgar hoover calling al capone to congratulate him on bank robbery. neil: what? and probably a maybe on the president's call to president putin. not one had a problem with the obama administration made a similar call. and leon panetta kind of took note of that, take a look. >> presidents talk to kings and emporers and tyrants regardless of whether or not they were elected with any kind of democratic process or not. s see-- so, i think the president has a right to talk to putin. i would have liked the president in addition to talking about areas where we could work together that there are lines we're not going to let the russians cross.
neil: there's only so much time on a congratulatory phone call. if you use that definition of people you found abhorrent or the way they came to power abhorrent. john f. kennedy could have never talked to khrunichev, nixon to setung. he heaped a lot of praise on president xi of china and took to task for not hitting china on trade. well, look what happened last week. the key continuing is what does he do? calling up a guy not calling up a guy makes no difference. it's policy that matters, strategy that matters, hiring john bolton sends more of a signal to russia and china and the world than a phone call or
not making a phone call. neil: i was going to talk to john bolton about that, but you might have heard he canceled on us. but let me ask you about the message the president sends. you can't control politics in another country. you can't pick and choose the foreign leaders you want, you have to deal with the foreign leaders you have, so i find this faux rage over this a little bit, you know, weird, but leaving that aside, what does the president then have to do. you mentioned the president of china, you would have the appearance that the cozy mar-a-lago visit when they were chatting, the president would never talk about whether he supports tariffs or not would never be the case. and what do you want to see on the russian front? >> more sanctions, on the oligarchs, if you're around putin you'll have your assets seized by countries like britain and the united states.
you're not going to be able to hide. we know where the moneys go now. you get near this guy, you'll be marked and with the kremlin. working with our allies sends more of a message than a phone call. neil: do you get the sense, the outrage, some in the media dislike this president. they liked jfk. when he said to nakit nakita khrunichev, we have ways of electing leaders and they have ways of electing leaders. we can't control how they go about it.
so, what does it prove in the end? >> well, again, the key thing is we can't around the world select who is in power and who isn't. just look at the difficulty of trying to rechange around or afghanistan, we did with germany and japan when they were devastated in a world war. one of the real frustrations when you're a leader is sometimes you have to do things you don't like, deal with people you don't like. make compromises you don't like for a purpose, truman or eisenhower. >> you'd never be able to meet and have progress with anyone. and the key thing is when you meet with these people then you have to know what you're doing. kennedy made a disastrous impression on khrunichev, and he thought he could push this guy around. a friendly phone call, fine. when you sit down and negotiate, the policies come in when you negotiate, that's what makes an
impression, with putin, not words, not calls, it's what you're actually doing. neil: the bigger issue in the whole putin thing was the leak of the memo about the call or not to talk about it and that's probably more security issue you're worried about. >> well, and we can speculate where that came from. i have my own ideas, but i think bringing ambassador bolton in sends a message to the world, this guy, trump will be tough. he might be nice on a phone call, but he certainly sees the world the way that bolton does and that's not a bad message. neil: that would have been an interesting question to raise it ambassador bolton. i didn't get the chance. we'll have more. i promise to have and to hold from this day forward, 'til death do us part. selectquote can help you keep your promise. with life insurance starting under $1 a day. but you promised dad. come on. selectquote helped jim, 41, keep his promise
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a sudden, spending is out of control again. we're looking at likely a trillion dollar deficit now. and that the timing couldn't be worse for the mid term elections and all of that. what do you say to that? >> well, again, i think it's a one-day reaction to the markets. i would look at the long-term trend. i would inspect as we continue to roll back the regulatory front and make sure that this administration a working with business across america, including in this case, trying to protect their intellectual property that markets would respond affirmatively. neil: he said he would be on our show and he was on our show to talk about the fact that we really have to watch our pennies, we will watch our pennies, republicans will watch the pennies and good for them in the mid term, but we're talking about 1.3 trillion worth of pennies here and a lot of people in the market, actually both parties here are getting a little anxious where all of this is going. we've already clipped 21 trillion in debt. it keeps going higher and higher
and back with me, john layfield. we've got deirdre bolton, charles payne. it's serious change. >> it's serious change and the message is serious, d.c. completely ignored the will of the voters. despite, you know, the overwhelming shift in states from blue to red and you know, the changes at state houses. i mean, there's been an eruption in this country over the last years. neil: how would they have felt if the government shut down over this. >> i think a lot of people would have been okay with that. and we had a government shutdown under obama and two so far. and there are a lot of so-called nonessential folks on the payroll. you could politicize it, stop veterans from visiting parks, things like that or try to manage it and i think the american public would rather that than 22, 23, 24, 25 trillion. >> i love the way you think. i politely disagree. i think this week where we saw the worst stock market performance in two years, i
think it was just a darned if we do, darned if we don't. 1.3 trillion. i don't know that voters care, but a lot of politicians on the trail saying, listen, we're here for the military and we decided to commit more resources and bizarrely, you may actually have democrats saying you don't care about your children or grandchildren. neil: yeah you're saying that people don't like the games that go on here and prefer that to a shutdown. >> i think so. neil: what do you think? >> i think that voters are disenfranchised. the appeal of president trump, you had a clinton or a bush in the white house and voters didn't want more of the same. they're-- >> they had obama in there, too. >> they're spending recklessly to get themselves reelected and don't care about the-- and i think you make a statement, i think it would have been decently received, but at least the president will be doing something different and i think that the mid term elections are going to be bad for the republicans.
neil: and a sense they would do something for defense and he did. >> i think if he vetoed on the grounds of run away spending, you know, dysfunction, you know, they're adding to our children's debt that our children and grandchildren have to pay, one thing. but remember why he didn't like this bill, it didn't spend enoughment he wanted his border wall. neil: he got $1.6 billion on that. >> he didn't get enough apparently or he wants better concrete or better, whatever. neil: you say this is as much on him as anyone else. >> it might be great for his base, but i don't see the american people saying shut down the government for the wall. >> his base didn't like planned parenthood, didn't like the gateway being funded and it's
the 1.3 trillion was spent the long way and not the way that the voters anticipated. >> we had the mid term election. donald trump is not up for reelection yet. the republicans are scared, obviously. as much as trump's popularity has gone up recently, right, with the economy getting better and despite what is happening with trade, but that's not translating into, at least recent history, into winning elections. i mean, a lost-- >> and how is the tariff thing affecting things. >> invests are quite frightened and that's why we saw that huge $700 points more than that down on the dow. china retaliated with 3 billion versus our 50 or 60 billion, but it's starting some tension, right? a big potential problem. it comes down to voters, how much is in their pockets and annoyed by the fact that either obamacare hasn't been repealed or replaced and what has it done
to their health care coverage cost and the tax breaks affected them or not. to me, those are the big issues. >> the other thing is, trump is making a political calculation that blue collar voters across the board like tariffs, right, so his base, maybe they stay with republicans. neil: they sound until they hit you. >> i'm telling you, these tariff, the blunt instruments of tariffs may help jobs in steel, but autos and other stuff-- >> i get e-mails on this. i get e-mails. >> i don't think you know the trump voter. no. >> i don't know my family then. my uncle. >> and you're the expert on-- >> i know a lot. >> when the tea party thing erupted i spoke at maybe 15 tea party events around the country and i've stayed in touch with
them, those are the trump voters. people who are tired of big government waste, tired of the elites who don't listen to them. >> trump ran on obama-- >> and have you ever asked, surveyed the people you think are going to be-- they're not dumb. they understand maybe prices will go up, but they all tell me, they tell me in my twitter feed. last time i checked about 25,000 told me they're okay with prices going up, to win this war and have we ever won a war without collateral damage. if we're in a couple of seconds and we're losing, the americans are willing to fight this war. >> until they lose their job. >> or pay more wherever you go. u.s. companies have gotten 10 and 20% of sales from china last year, nike, boeing, intel, chip manufacturers. to your point, charlie, i think there's going to be pushback on a lot more industries. but to charles payne's point we
always do that, we run in fear we better not and comes back to bite us one way or another. >> i think it will come back to bite us on tariffs. and boeing alone, they're getting hit with the price because they're getting hit with tariffs. neil: all right. >> your point about the tea party, i think, is accurate, but what is different that they've done. they just showed they are no different from anybody else, incumbents lose, 93% of the time in the who us in mid terms, they lose 73% of the time in the senate. and that's anti-incumbent sentiment right now, globally going on in the world and now you've shown to your base, the hard core base who loves trump he's no different from anybody. >> i agree, i think he should have put out the tweet about vetoing the bill a week ago, and if he doesn't he's going to push for rules change. poor timing to put it out yesterday. but when we went through world
war ii, we had war bonds, they didn't pay off for 30 years, they didn't buy them to make money, they bought them to contribute. when things aren't working, iacocca said, buy america and to save chrysler. there there comes a point the way we're doing, we're transferring wealth, transferring intellectual property, we're transferring a lot of things to china and it's going to be hard to ever fight this fight in the future. >> we're fighting a 1990's battle with these tariffs. it's one thing to tell me let's go after them on intellectual property and how they steal from us, but another to say let's save the steel industry. >> section 301, intellectual property, you're okay with that. >> are you okay with tariffs and-- >> you're destroying, costing people jobs. >> under democratic and
republican presidents we've had the same deal and that's what-- >> no, it's not, just trade, 15 days to could many up with items and it won't just be steel. but tariffs-- >> tariffs never work, with president obama and-- >> i want to get out to the public. do your own research, we did lose jobs when bush did the steel tariff. the organization that put that report out was funded by a trade organization. look at u.s. international trade commission. >> john bolton says it. >> what are you talking about? >> here is the bottom line. >> i think you're underestimating the average american because we've lost these factories and they won't come back. neil: guys, i wish we had more time. you've argued, all of you argued your positions very well. i'm trying to tell john bolton. >> i'm going to the green room because john is going to change
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washington d.c. alone and that is right now where you'll find our peter duessy in the middle of it all. peter. >> neil, there's not technically a march here in washington, it's just going to be a big rally on pennsylvania avenue, with celebrity speakers, some of the parkland students, and survivors, but you can see right now, even though there is no technical march, there are thousands of people marching towards this rally on pennsylvania. a lot of the signs are anti-n.r.a., anti-republican lawmakers. it also seems like there are a lot of teachers here and a big point at least with the signs that we've seen so far, the people are trying to communicate to anybody with a camera or any lawmakers in attendance is that this is not a group that is supportive of arming teachers. and just to give you a better sense, we obviously don't have an idea yet officially of how many people are here, but you can see it is really, really
filling in. we're a big-- a long block away from where the stage is in d.c. terms on the mall. we're one smithsonian back, but pennsylvania avenue is completely jammed. people keep coming and this is not something that was just put together hastily by some students or their friends who were upset about the gun violence or about gun legislation, this is a very, very well-organized event. there's a whole run of show, help from professionals who put up temporary cell towers. pr assistance for the press is very well-put together. we have not seen very much about what congress did yesterday in that omnibus, put in the fix nics background check up. but everybody is here and they're protesting and again, it's a mixture of homemade signs like this one end gun violence, and then we'll have professional
signs like this one from the manhattan district attorney's office. so a lot of different ages, it's a very diverse group. many, many thousands and we're told a half hour away from the start of the show, neil. neil: thank you, peter, very, very much. on the phone right now is a fellow who supports what they're trying to do here. democratic senator chris coons of delaware. what do you make of what's going on nationwide? >> it's great to be with you again, neil. thanks for the chance to join your show. i was just at the kickoff of the "march for our lives" rally in delaware, and on the way to wirment. and i think what we're seeing is a wave of youth activism in response to a series of shootings. >> many of us thought after columbine there would be tougher, stronger actions to secure our schools.
and i thought after sandy hook we might pass a universal background check bill. the parkland, florida high school students have been on the march in recent weeks. i met with them they're remarkably passionate and articulate and not having for one universal solution. they're asking for congress to take action on mental health issues on strengthening school safety and making it harder for those who shouldn't be able to buy weapons who shouldn't do so. and pat toomey and i had a denial bill and hopeful we'll get it before this congress. neil: and praise from ryan petty who was on our show, he lost his daughter in that school shooting
and he opted not to go to the shootings because he didn't think the kids' hearts were in the right place and something bigger to pay attention to, not only the wrong people getting their hands on guns, but overlooking problems within the school, you know, the kid who is ignored, or sidelined, or dangerous. that the kind of thing that you touched on at the outset here, the rallies, he's afraid have become all about guns, guns, guns, but not about mental health issues, not about the type of things that, you know, were at play, certainly in florida, that had little to do with guns, per se, because the assailant got them legally at the time. now he'd have to be 21 to get the same gun today and with the mental health restrictions in florida wouldn't get it today. and that had everything to do with security and information that lapsed. but that's not addressed enough here and he's worried about
that. what do you say? >> i say he's got a good point. in order to reduce gun violence and needless death, whether in high schools, playgrounds, around the streets of our city, we have to address all three. we should enforce the existing law more aggressively and should broaden the law to make it much harder for people who shouldn't be able to buy guns legally to do so, but we cannot ignore bullying in school, cyberbullying and ways that kids that have problems, either mental health problems or family problems, are at some risk of being marginalized and in some ways that they take the violent obscene objection in parkland and marjory stoneman douglas high school. we have to invest more in our schools. a lot of what today is about, neil, is not about politicians speaking, but students speaking.
i think if we do a better job of listening to students in schools, we won't just find solutions to the problems in the short run, we'll find we've empowered students to be successful in raising hands on problems that haven't abouten addressed yet. neil: do you support, by the way, the measure to have more armed guards at schools, i believe in florida it's one for every 1,000 students at the school. what do you think? >> well, my daughter goes to a performing arts, public high school in delaware. and was surprised when she started at that school that there is someone there who-- a trained school resource officer who is armed. i think we need to invest more in education and in supporting teachers and in some schools, we need to have someone there who is trained and armed. i don't support arming teachers. i've heard from many teachers in my state that they'd like more support so they can focus on teaching. i think it makes sense to only
have folks in-- >> oops, we lost-- go ahead, i'm sorry. >> folks who are trained law enforcement officers have the background to dedicate to protect the people. neil: i'm sorry, senator, right at the end you were breaking up a little there. we appreciate you being here, senator coons from delaware. we have more including the allegations on facebook, stock swooned and mark zuckerberg lost some of his wealth. and a former clintonite said it didn't affect the election one iota.
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election. and talking about those scooping up info on better than 50 million facebook subscribers and could have got in the way of the election. and my next guest says it doesn't amount to a hill of beanies. you know mark well. i do want to take a bit out of the book because this was written after the latest du dust-up. don't effect 100,000 in hand for russia to count the election. that's a pittance compared to the 2016 presidential campaign and goes on to say i'll paraphrase that hillary clinton lost the election on other issues not this one. it's a great book. it picks up the theme with microtrends. mr. penn, it's good to have you back. >> thank you. neil: the obsession continues with this and i'm wondering where you see it going?
>> well, look, i think that cambrid cambridge anali tchtica is prob dead as a company. and facebook hadn't taken adequate care to deal with and questioning the values of openness and authenticity. i think you might see regulation come out of this. i think particularly the handling of data and increasing fines and penalties for third party leakage of data. back in 2012 when the obama campaign used the same data, it was perfectly okay to do what cambridge did, they changed the rules later and were sloppy how they changed them. neil: it's getting a data base of people you can go after and follow and like interests, and, but to say that do we want that to stop or how-- what's the goal now, do you think? >> well, remember, data is the new gold in this society.
as i point out in microtrends. this is a great society where you can be reached about your interests and targeted effectively, but there are dangers if we don't have controls. i think it's pretty apparent in the facebook issue that you know, people don't realize, there are no free apps, there are no free searches, there are no free facebook platforms. they run on the basis of selling your personal information for advertising and disclosure op all of this is really weak. i think that consumers don't understand their mail is read, their texts are read. everything they do is monetized today. they need a better understanding how technology works so they can make informed decisions as a consumer. do they want more privacy they'll pay for or are they okay with this model. neil: you talk about other phenomenon here, they go after the so-called couch potatoes, those who typically don't get off the couch to vote. but others to try to reach them
so they could and would. >> absolutely. i point out that politics has changed because there are 90 million people who are couch potato voters who are eligible to vote and don't vote. a lot of money is spent going to the extremes than the swing veeters to get their slice of potato off the couch and i think that's facilitated by these kinds of social media that really can energize people, rightly or wrongly, but we need to get more people off the couch generally so that we're pitching to swing voters and bringing the country together again, rather than separating out. that's a lot about what microtrends squared warns about. neil: it's very, very good. don't be so fast kicking me off my couch, by the way, i've had a long day. thank you very much. microtrends squared, it's a very good book and a fast read and he's onto something i didn't know what's going on until i looked around and confirmed, he's right it's going object. we've got a lot more.
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i appreciate the passion and energy that's being displayed today and i considered participati participating, but my concern from the beginning has been after every mass shooting, after every school shooting, we inevitably head down the path of an argument over the second amendment and gun control and it's a legislative road to nowhere, in my opinion. neil: all right. so, ryan petty, who lost his daughter elaina, in that
parkland school shooting, opting not to take part in this. he has great respect for those who are. the "march for our lives" across the country and pretty much across the world. will it change anything? chad who follows them closely on capitol hill. they've got a lot of initiatives out there. where is this going? >> yeah, i just spoke with one of the students from marjory stoneman douglas high school and she said we're here to resonate with members of congress. we're going to be voting in a few years, we will change the vote and vote them out of office if they don't come around to our viewer on firearms. thoughts and prayers are not enough, she says. and i spoke with donald mccheechen, the democratic congressman from virginia we got some things in the omnibus bill,
but don't let this pass. they did get expanded background checks in the omnibus bill they passed a couple of days ago on capitol hill. some republicans are concerned that the democrats want more and mckeachen wants more and some republicans say wait, that's enough. we don't want to infringe on second amendment rights and that's when congress returns after the rally in washington d.c. will it be an impact in the elections? that remains to be seen, neil. neil: thank you very much. these are nationwide events that are going on here. largely concentrated on gun control and it's drawn in many in the hollywood community including ariana grande, jennifer hudson, miley cyrus and demi demi lovato and many, many more. and many say in florida, reining
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>> at a fox news alert. as the march for our lives rally begins here in washington d.c., pushing for gun control in the wake of mass school shootings. >> meanwhile, in towns big and small across the country. hundreds of thousands more people are marching this hour, including new york city and parkland, florida where the killing of 17 students and faculty members ignited a movement. ♪ we thank you for joining us, welcome to a special edition of america's news headquarters in