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lineup of guest hosts to fill in for me and up next, it's shannon bream. have a wonderful easter and passover holiday weekend, everyone. good night from washington. ♪ ♪ >> shannon: hello and welcome to "fox news @ night." i'm shannon bream in washington. california governor jerry brown sparking new outrage tonight with five more pardons for illegal aliens. each holding criminal records. including one convicted of inflicting bodily injury on a spouse or cohabitant. a threatening crime with the intent to terrorize. not the first time brown has pardoned criminal aliens but it comes at a critical moment for the democratic governor, because yet another county is thinking about resisting california resisting california as a sanctuary state policy. the rebelling against the resistance is growing. it comes amid a new poll showing
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64% of registered california voters believe that a state and local law enforcement should assist i.c.e. and arresting violence criminal illegal aliens. only 11% want to stop i.c.e. 24% say it's okay to stay out of the way. we have team covered tonight on illegal immigration, chief national correspondent at henry, how the border patrol is pushing back on our parts at frontline agents don't actually support the wall. when we begin with trace gallagher in los angeles on governor brown's latest pardon. >> shannon, and yet one more slap of the trump administration, jerry brown has just issued for easter pardons l immigrant felons facing deportation, meaning they cannot be targeted for removal from the u.s. the governor's office as the majority were convicted of drug related or nonviolent crimes. it is sugarcoating it, considering two were convicted of dealing drugs, one for kidnapping and robbery, and one for badly beating his wife and threatening a crime with intent to terrorize. in the meantime, the list of
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california cities and counties opting out of the states sanctuary laws is about to get longer. the city of escondido and northeast of san diego will vote next week on whether to ignore sanctuary laws and join the federal government's lawsuit against california. the mayor expects it to pass and has this message for state leaders. watch. >> these leaders in california, they care more about illegal criminals and protecting illegal criminals then protecting our citizens. this is a moral issue, this is a moral, this is illegal, this is unconstitutional, period. >> escondido, 50% latino, has long supported immigration policies. san diego can fill my county supervisors will also continue joining the trump administration lawsuit against california. that agenda item comes up on april 17th in a closed-door session. san diego county sheriff thinks the county should stay out of the fight between the fires in california.
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this week, orange company just up coast from san diego voted unanimously against supporting the sanctuary laws. one of the supervisors who is illegal immigrant from asia says she has since endured a bit of name-calling. >> they called me racist. i've been called all different names. in asia, when you get called all different names, guess what, you live longer. so i think i'm going to have a long life. >> emigrations and custom enforcement or i.c.e. has now ended its 2016 policy of exempting pregnant women. agents have not been trained on how to safely handle pregnant women, though it will still be highly unlikely to detain a woman and her third trimester. shannon. >> shannon: thank you very much. the acting head of the u.s. customs and border protection, making it clear president trump's wall will be built despite questions about where is the funding coming from. chief national correspondent ed henry has more.
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>> shannon, democrats continue to assist a border wall is not needed and president trump will not get it done. today a top official from the border patrol revealed, they are already using it $1.6 billion in border security money that they just got in the omnibus is a down payment to move forward on 100 miles of replacement walls were existing structure along the southern border. they are now pushing for another 1,000 miles to be built. in order to do that, though, the president will need something in the neighborhood of $25 billion. he is exploring a mood to declare this part of national defense so he can tap some for the pentagon money from the giant $1.3 trillion omnibus. the president approach to that idea with james mattis, speaker paul ryan as well. the possibility of shifting some of the money from the military to the wall. that is not easy to do since the constitution gives congress the power, and they directed that money for the pentagon by the president appears to be moving forward with a new strategy of just building smaller chunks of
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the wall instead of doing it all at once. for example, when the president tweeted these photos of prototype this week, some critics mocked him by saying these are photos of existing fencing dating to the '90s by the critics did not realize that it was 2 miles of old fencing with metal scraps in calexico, california. the customs and border protection is replacing matt with 30-foot high, basically a wall. there acting deputy commissioner said today they will keep doing that, maybe not in one fell swoop, but piece by piece. >> the u.s. border patrol and agents of the field have been vocal about their need for effective barriers to denying the entry of illegal aliens and contraband. the truth is, walls work and the data show edge. agents know much periods dhs and cbp fully committed to a balanc, access roads, to support critical security missions. >> democratic senator claire mccaskill facing tough
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reelection is trying to rally he is saying the wall does not need to be built because she has heard from border agents who say that it's simply not necessary. except other border patrol agents say that's not true. remember there association endorsed president trump back in the 2016 campaign and this week, 380 sheriffs from 40 states all around the country sent a letter to congress demanding action on the wall and other border security measures. other law enforcement officials are clearly trying to be heard. shannon? >> shannon: ed henry, thank you very much. president trump's critics claim he's getting nowhere fast on illegal immigration and that could spark a political backlash with his face. let's bring in "the five"'s juan williams, great to have you both with us, gentlemen. >> good evening. >> shannon: juan, one of the things i thought about the president on this issue of the wall and immigration is that the people who are most ardently
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supporting him will probably be disappointed if he wins. it is so tough to get these things done. many of them now saying they are disappointed to. >> in fact some of them doing so in harsh terms. dan coulter comes to mind for example, saying where's the wal. there are lots of people i think who feel that this was a key plank of the trump 2016 campaign. from the moment he came down that golden escalator at trump tower, he was speaking about doing something illegal immigration and the symbol of that effort is the wall. i am not someone who agrees that we need a wall but i will say this, his language and has rhetoric, i think it is fairly credited with discouraging people from trying to come across the border. the result, though, is not right now we have a net zero in migration of people coming in, and it undermines the sense that we have any urgency to build a wall. from the trump perspective, i think he thinks he's got to deliver the for the people he
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made the pledge to. >> shannon: "the washington post" said this, it is simplistic, blunt approaches to this complex issue, most notably donald trump's infamous proposal for a wall along the mexican border are making little headway. even the republican dominated u.s. congress is only willing to fork over a measly 1.6 billion for project estimated to cost nearly 20 times that in the budget the president signed into law earlier this month. david, i've heard reports, he's got buyer's remorse. he did sign it. >> he did sign it. let's keep in mind, this "washington post" is a great example, many of his harshest critics are really masking their peer intentions, which is those on the left to really want open borders. they want to know borders. for all those americans were sitting in cities and states where they are governor or senator has declared a sanctuary city, all of them have been
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getting record numbers and deported, all of those who aren't coming into the country, the number of people caught at the border has dropped. all of those suggest that his policies are having an impact and yes, does he need to make progress on the wall? yes. i can assure you that the conservative base doesn't expect to be up tomorrow. >> shannon: true. juan, you saw that the majority of people in california that were surveyed actually want local and state authorities to work with i.c.e. when it comes to these dangerous illegal immigrants who are criminals. what does that say to you? now you have a number of these localities, voting to break away from a sanctuary state policies and say, not that our county or city, we want to enforce for the state just passed, to not work with the feds. >> in fact, i think you have some of the leadership of orange county, for example, joining in the federal suit against the states. the state is also suing the federal government, the trump administration, over this issue.
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you are going to have differences of opinion. dave and i are sitting here, clearly i am not a fan of the wall, i don't think is necessary, i think it's a waste of our resources at this point, and i think we basically stopped it. but i think it's an important conversation. you asked me, you have people in california having different opinions, i don't have any problem with that. i think the pools have been off. i think if you ask people about sanctuary cities, you'll get people saying basically, we understand why you would have cooperation between law enforcement and illegal immigrants in order to keep crime down and to prevent crime from happening in their communities. >> shannon: david, i want to ask you about this chatter that the president has discussed with defense secretary james mattis, the possibility of using defense spending to channel it to the wall. here is what dana white from the pentagon said about that. >> they have talked about the proposal potentially.
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remember, securing americans and the nation is of paramount importance to the secretary. >> shannon: what do you make of that idea? speak of the secretary works for the president. the president wants to have funds used that way, it's up to the secretary to figure out how to make that happen. >> shannon: there's been so much discussion about how the military has been atrophied by lack of adequate funding over the last eight years or so at the president said one of the reasons that he -- they said it was about helping the military. >> there is no question, a secure border is essential to national security. essential. if you want to keep bad men and women from bringing bad things into this country, whether that be drugs or weapons, whether that be something even more horrific, you've got to have a secure border. it makes sense to use part of the defense money. >> but david, seriously, most of the people who come here illegally fly here and overstay
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their visas. it's not that they are penetrating some wall and certainly, we are not talking about a wall on our northern border and instances of terrorism, that is where the terrorists came from. not from the south. it looks to me like we're just doing politics. >> talk to americans who are in sanctuary cities and states where someone has committed a crime against their family, where they have lost a loved one, and that is not part of national defense, it absolutely is. >> shannon: we've got to wrap it up, just when it's getting good. [laughter] pay-per-view for the rest of it. >> friday night! >> shannon: what lawmakers are saying about former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe and allegations that he lied repeatedly about leaking to the press. we'll break that down next. what about the calls by some g.o.p. lawmakers for a second special counsel? they are not getting on for now. we'll hear from congressman bob goodlatte, a key player in all of this. plus key details about the deadly 2016 shooting at paul's nightclub you've probably never heard before. they may surprise you. we'll take you to our lender for
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>> shannon: some republicans are worrying that
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republicans -- claiming there is a rift between james comey and a second and command, andrew mccabe. we live we live villager joins . >> in the last couple of minutes, andrew mccabe's lawyers firing back, saying if anything, has alleged lack of candor, relying, gave him a good faith and misunderstanding with him and then boss james comey. attorneys telling fox news, emails between the two clearly show that mr. mccabe advised directors. nine he was working with colleagues at the fbi to correct inaccuracies before those stories were published. he remained in contact while the interactions continued. in short, the evidence falls short of proving a lack of candor. this speaks directly to accusations made against mccabe that resulted in his firing earlier this month. take a listen to congressman jim jordan last night. outlining the case against mccabe in a confidential fbi
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file that he said his staff saw. >> andrew mccabe come he didn't lie just once, he lied four times. he liked to james comey, to thee of professional responsibility, and he lied twice under oath to the inspector general. this is andrew mccabe, deputy director of the fbi, andrew mccabe, the text messages between peter strzok and lisa page talk about andy's office, the meeting where they talk about the insurance policy in case donald trump as president. >> the fbi's office of professional responsibility investigated mccabe for a number of issues including his contacts with reporters in the run-up to the 2016 elections. conservative lawmakers are livid at the republican attorney general for not appointing a special counsel to look into some of the very issues that mccabe is accused of. instead, pointing a u.s. attorney to investigate possible abuses of government surveillance for political purposes. that u.s. attorney technically
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reports to deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, that same man that many republicans hold out as part of the abuse, shannon. >> shannon: yes, they do. thank you very much. on that last note, regarding the second special counsel, kate oversight sherman jason chaffetz among those expressing skepticism about the u.s. attorney appointed to look into alleged fbi bias. you saw him right here last night. >> i think it's unfair and inappropriate for the attorney general and rod rosenstein task him and put them in a position where he essentially has to investigate his boss. and i don't think you're ultimately going to get to the truth. >> shannon: joining me now, chairman of the house judiciary committee who was called for a second special counsel, congressman bob goodlatte. great to have you with us. >> i i appreciated. >> shannon: there's been missed reaction to appoint someone that seems to be well respected and has been investigating for months but not a second special counsel.
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here is what "the wall street journal" said. "special counsel's are bad news, see every recent headline, and ag sessions is right to stick to principle and not appoint a second one. huber has all the same powers even as he remains under drg authority. best scenario." we are set not good enough for you? >> i think we need a second special counsel because jason chaffetz is right. we are asking the united states attorney to investigate the people that he reports to come particularly the deputy attorney general of the united states. we've made it very clear, trey gowdy and i, the statement we put out yesterday, we expect mr. huber to report to attorney general sessions. i think they've made a step in the right direction and appointing mr. huber. getting the matter outside of main justice, washington, d.c., it leaves the door open for a special counsel.
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and i think it turns it over to a situation where a prosecutor can start to prosecute folks. i think is a step in the right direction but we need a second special counsel. >> shannon: the attorney general says that according to the regulations dealing with special counsel, it's only happened twice because you have to have such extenuating circumstances. your colleague, congressman meadows and jordan, argued that's what this is. what do you think it would take for the attorney general to say, okay, it's time for special counsel? >> i think it would became very apparent that there were a number of indictments or if there were criticisms that mr. huber was not aggressively investigating this or that the fbi continued to slow walk the information that we have requested and now subpoenaed from the department of justice, that sabina is due next thursday. also pleased that the attorney general is taking that seriously, as well. the director of the fbi is as
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well. he announced earlier this week he has 54 employees working to get those documents, 1.2 million documents that we've requested that the inspector general has, that congress also needs to have. we need to have them now and unredacted so that we can see what they are talking about when these exchanges take place. we've seen several examples where they redacted material and when we got to see the unredacted portions, we saw that they were covering up of material information, like the communication between peter strzok and lisa page about a federal judge going on the fisa court and they did not -- they redacted that. they didn't think we needed to know. that is very material to our investigation. >> shannon: what outstanding questions you have right now? questions the american people need to have answered that you hope will come through these documents or through u.s. attorney huber or a second special counsel? what do you think is missing? speak of the first thing will be the report of the inspector general, which we are looking forward to, we hope to
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see that within a month. i think it is going to show that there was extreme bias in the department of justice. the world's premier law enforcement organization, the federal bureau of investigation, tens of thousands of people every day work hard to keep us safe, fight crime, prevent terrorist attacks like the bombing attack last week in austin. yet several people near the top of this organization engaged in activities and handling one investigation involving one presidential candidate extremely differently, bending over backwards to not find reasons to take action with regard to hillary clinton or her employees. on the other hand, having insurance policies and secret plans to take action in another area. we have a special counsel investigating that. i think that should move forward. but there needs to be an investigation into the federal bureau of investigation and how they handle all of this because we don't want to have this
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happen again in 2020. the american people's trust is not they are that it won't happen again unless there is a real house cleaning. it is starting to happen. >> shannon: we'll await that report. we think april. we'll wait along with you, you'll probably see it before we do. great to have you with us tonight. have a great weekend. >> thanks, shannon. >> shannon: surprising details about the pulse mastic year comes to life as the killer's wife learns her legal fate. it finally concludes. details we are learning for the first time. details released in the police shooting death of alton sterling. as they give punishment to the officers who were involved in match. ♪ yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream.
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>> shannon: tonight many of the victims of the pulse terror attack at mary family say they are overcome with anger, outrage, and heartbreak. a jury finding noor salman not guilty of helping her husband, omar mateen, plan one of the deadliest mass shootings. we have more from orlando. >> the defense for the shooter's widow argued that she was a
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captive of her husband and not a partner in his crime and apparently the jury agreed with the defense. noor salman was released a few hours after the verdict today. this picture shows her with her attorney after her release. after the verdict, one of her attorneys was smiling ear to air and heard saying "wow." according to one of our reporters inside the courthouse. during the reading of the verdict, noor salman was frantically crying and sobbing, looking back at her family. her family huddled in one row of the courtroom, arms around each other. before the trial, she did confess to seeing her husband purchased a gun, watch isis workgroup and videos, and he even asked about how bad it would be if a club was attacked. she wrote she wished she had told someone in her confession. however the defense argued that she was coerced into that confession. her attorney said that during the trial all of the prosecution's evidence was proven wrong and there was never a moment he felt he had lost the
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case. after the verdict, the family spokesperson said the most important thing is to acknowledge their family and friends of the pulse victims. >> on this good friday, the family really wants to say that we are very sorry for the family members and friends of the 49 victims of the pulse nightclub shooting and also the survivors. >> the pulse nightclub shooting happened in orange county in florida a short while after today's arctic, he said that he is disappointed with the verdic. the founder of the pulse nightclub said that she has to trust the judicial process. shannon? >> shannon: thank you very much. as the pulse trial verdict, the white house correspondent. the editorial director for "the daily caller," great to see both of you.
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i have learned a lot of things about this case. just in the trial that we've had over the last few weeks, the fact that omar mateen's father, already a character in this thing, was an fbi informant back to 2005. we also learned that omar mateen apparently was a subject of some investigation in 2013 and 2014. they didn't find him to be a threat at that point. >> there is questions over whether or not his father was the reason they actually bounced off of investigating them. this notion they wanted to maintain an informant, they thought he was a good informant, the idea that may be extended some sort of mercy or sympathy to him when they begin the process of looking into terroristic threats or activities by his son and there is this notion that he may very well have been the person who sort of pushed the fbi off of that trail and the fbi decided, okay, we'll stop pursuing this for now. we know where this ended up. he did commit an act of terrorism, killing 49 people and injuring more. this is something the fbi will be looking at heart, what mistakes did they make. we were promised originally, by
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james comey, that we would get a transparent assessment of what those mistakes were. it has not happened. >> shannon: there's been inquiries to the fbi and there's been no comment. if they are assessing that, it hasn't been made public. meanwhile this trial was about his wife and whether she colluded, if she knew, and she helped. the jury said no. the sheriff has this to say about why that happened. >> i've heard several of the jurors say that while they believe that she probably was aware and knew of it, the prosecutors just couldn't prove it based upon the current laws. so we have learned much from this. >> shannon: there were many questions about this confession that she agreed to. it wasn't recorded, some of it didn't sign up with the facts, there were questions about whether she said those things.
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i believe part of her defense argument was that she had diminished capacity and understanding some these things. but it didn't come together, at least not for the fbi and prosecutors. >> we are learning as a series of mistakes both from the investigators in the fbi and the prosecutorial team that took this case on led to this acquittal. what we've learned from legal experts is that an acquittal in a terrorist case is exceedingly rare, especially if the person convicted happens to be muslim. there's a variety of factors working in favor of the government with these cases are brought against people suspected of terrorism. the fact it went to a jury trial, a guilty plea, she was able to be acquitted of these charges, a sort of remarkable, and speaks to the level and the seriousness of the mistakes that investigators and prosecutors made in this case. >> shannon: this is what the family spokesperson for her how to say after that verdict came in. >> we want people to know that she is not guilty. she is innocent. for those people who still think
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that there is a question, there is no question. a judge has decided. >> shannon: a jury in this case. there are a lot of doubters still out there. >> the important doubt was what was created in the minds of the jury. that was due in part again, we talk about the fbi, the fact that they did not record, as you mention, that first interview with her, the day after the actual shooting. how hard was it to take off an iphone and turn on the record function? that did not happen. reading a statement on her behalf and having her sign it, all of that is -- worked successfully for the defense. these are emotionally charged trials. people want to see justice, they want to see convictions. it didn't happen in this case. this is going to be a reminder for investigators going forward that they need to keep their ts crossed on the eyes letter i darted.
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>> if you look at any terrorist case from the boston bombings to this nightclub attack, you see that the fbi had some awareness of the suspect in the shooting, the bombing, whatever it is. yet for whatever reason, that tip wasn't followed up on, leads were lost along the way, so it really raises questions about the vigor with with which investigators go after people who are radicalized. >> shannon: or the resources. there are so many questions about why these things weren't followed up. thank you, guys. >> happy easter. >> shannon: thank you. the alton sterling shooting taking a stunning new twist tonight. new footage of the shooting is stirring up controversy all over again as the officers involved to learn their punishment. casey stegall is live in baton rouge. with more. casey? >> good evening. up until today, people had only seen eyewitness a cell phone video of that altercation
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between two baton rouge police officers and 37 alton sterling. tonight, that has changed. baton rouge police releasing brand-new tape of that night back in july of 2016 when sterling was shot and killed in a convenience store parking lot. the two officers, who are white, were initially called to the scene of a black man brandishing a gun. when they got on scene and confronted sterling, you can see the situation escalates quite quickly. officers tased him twice, which did not appear to work properly. seconds later, gunshots, and the father of five was dead. investigators did find a loaded gun on sterling's person. the u.s. department of justice investigation last year, however, determined there were no civil rights violations. tuesday of this week, the louisiana attorney general said the state's investigation no criminal wrongdoing from the
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officers. fast-forward to today. the city's police chief saying officer did violate department policy and has been terminated. the chief says the other officer did not violate policy but lost his temper. he's been suspended for three days in what the chief hopes will bring closure to everyone involved. >> we will not focus on the rearview mirror. this incident happened two years ago, almost two years ago. instead, we are going to focus on what's ahead of us. in those moments, your best judgment should come out, and your moment, your best experience and training ought to show itself. we did not see that on july 5th. >> alton sterling's family maintains that those two officers got away with cold-blooded murder, and they say they are extremely upset.
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neither will face any criminal charges. they say they are moving forward with a civil lawsuit in this case. shannon. >> shannon: casey stegall live in louisiana. good news for the return of "roseanne." it was a recent to ratings bonanza. what happens next for the show and for middle america being represented in hollywood? plus, faith-based films are back. we'll discuss the rise of movies with a message. i'm ginny and i quit smoking with chantix.
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♪ >> shannon: roseanne barr and her iconic tv character may be program but one of her costars certainly is not. women who support president trump are unable to think for themselves because they are under the thumbs of their husbands." bernard also suggesting that the reason why women voted for trump was because they were intimidated by hillary clinton's intelligence. >> feeling inadequate, feeling like how can somebody be so educated, how can somebody have brought themselves up from their own experience and gone to the top, educated herself, fought for rights, civil rights and equality. and i think that is threatening to a lot of women. >> shannon: abc has renewed that were revival for a second season after just the first couple episodes. this had come as a pro trump story line with is a surprising.
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it even over performed in america's heartland. let's discuss with may get alexander from inside addition. good evening, megan. >> hey, pretty incredible that "roseanne," the reboot episode, brought in 18.2 million viewers. to put this into perspective, the repute of "american idol" idol on abc brought an 8 million viewers. when you think about all the technology trying to get our attention, why did it bring in so many viewers? a lot of people feel like roseanne is more conservative or that its representative of a blue-collar working class family and it lightens things up with some comedy in the very heavy times in our country. no matter what, hollywood is listening. after the first episode, they renewed their show, technically in its 11th season after one episode. unheard of. >> shannon: those are incredible numbers. easter weekend now upon us. there are several big-budget
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faith-based films of the box office. hollywood always seems surprised by this, it seems like the genre is doing better than ever. why do you think i do so? what can we expect? >> gone are the days and people can say that faith-based films are cheesy and low-budget. you have three major films this weekend. first, "god's not dead," the third installment of the incredible trilogy. i think we have some film right now, also cut must, "i can only imagine," which i thought was a gorgeous film. it's based on the true life story of the lead singer of the christian band mercy me, and the main thing about these films, shannon, i think they offer hope. they offer inspiration. yours truly had a fun little scene with fox news' own judge jeanine pirro, we had a good time being a part of it all. then in terms of epic films, you have "paul the apostle" starring jim caviezel, who of course play to jesus and "the passion of the
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christ." these are major blockbuster films with major actors and i think a large portion of the public, shannon, has felt like hollywood has ignored their faith and values. people feel that showing up at the post office and buying a ticket and sending a message that their faith matters and they want to see more of the content in hollywood is listening. >> shannon: quickly, you spoke with the main distributor of "i can only imagine," they had an interesting marketing plan. >> roadside attractions but at this film. they said they really got in touch with churches all across this country and businesses that align with a faith-based message. they got the word out, did very little of the traditional marketing. they brought in $17 million in the opening weekend. it beat "a wrinkle in time." pretty unbelievable. today, it's brought in $40 million. >> shannon: more are coming. macon, thank you so much. nice job on your cameo. have a great easter. >> happy easter to you, too. >> shannon: if you choose to
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>> shannon: time for "night court." the aclu is suing ohio because it claims a state will not allow
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individuals to change the gender listed on the birth certificate. they argue the states requirement prevents them from obtaining documents. they are central to everyday living and put them at risk for discrimination and even violence. the student to suit comes just weeks after a federal judge against idaho's ban against changing sex violates equal protections under the constitution. tonight legal eagles, criminal defense attorney bob bianchi and robert pattillo. great to see you both tonight. >> hey, shannon. >> shannon: we have a robert and bob. we'll keep this straight. let's start here. carol englehart says, "the policies not only are archaic and out of step with the rest of america but also dangerous, forcing transgender ohioans to go through life with an accurate birth certificates, a basic form of identification, necessarily exposes them to discrimination, harassment, and violence and
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denies them their identity." ohio, robert, why shouldn't ohio do it? >> this is a statewide issue. this is the purview of the legislature and not the federal courts. a documentation issue. the rights of individuals to identify to choose as they assign themselves. someone has to administer documentation, has to address these issues. the federal courts will cook this back to the states and the state legislator to make make a decision. >> shannon: on the other side, citizens for community values, from the president, we have this. "once again, the aclu is wasting taxpayer money with its lawsuit, the aclu is sacrificing medicalr political ideology by attempting to force the state to falsify official records. make no mistake, this lawsuit isn't about whether ohioans can be supportive of people with gender dysphoria, it's about whether politics trumps biology." bob? >> [laughs] it is partially correct but
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wrong. with all due respect to my colleague, the 14th amendment of the united states constitution indicates that no state can pass a law discriminating upon a class of people. this is not about politics. it's not about religion. it's about the law. idaho's court has set precedent here indicating that this is improper to do and reversing the law in saying that they must allow them to change theirs certificate if they are transgender. that is now president that is going to be set forth in the ohio case, so the idea that the states cannot pass a law, just like they couldn't pass jim crow laws, just like they couldn't pass that women can vote for, states cannot abridge the 14th amendment and the equal protection clause of the constitution. this is a no-brainer case. the aclu and the individual plaintiffs that are filing here, whether you like it or not, will win on legal principles. shannon, my last point is that nobody liked it when the blacks wanted to vote and the women wanted to vote. nobody liked it when the ku klux klan was allowed to protest and spew out a file
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speech. nevertheless, the constitution protects this class of people from being able to choose these very important government documents. >> shannon: robert, there are some of the plaintiffs who have told stories about it, it's cost some time, money, trying to get basic legal documents, things like immigration and traveling abroad, that kind of thing. is there some type of compromise that ohio should come to? should they have to? >> the ohio state legislature is working on a compromise bill as we speak. i believe that the aclu lawsuit is a little bit premature frankly because that should work its way through the legislative process. the people of ohio have to speak on this matter. fundamentally, even with the equal protection argument that that my colleague made, we have to remember that transgender's were never considered to be a protected classification. the courts have to rule all matter. this may end up being a supreme court issue so i can set precedent for the entire nation. right now it is not law. >> shannon: bob, the closing argument to you. >> this is only 1 of 3 states
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that has not gotten it yet. the bottom line here is going to be that these individuals are entitled to have the same rights as other classes are and one of the things the court brought out in the idaho decision is that they allow people to amend birth certificates for other reasons. here is what is important, shannon, most important. they are not able to articulate a government interest that justifies not allowing it to happen. in fact, and idaho, they even admitted that there is no legitimate government reason as to why they will not allow the change on the birth certificate. they are going to lose in ohio and the aclu will win a. >> shannon: we'll watch the case. robert and bob, thank you both. have a great week weekend. let us know on twitter how you think this case should go down. last november, stephen williford was a good guy with a gun. now the hero of sutherland springs is talking some common sense about common ground in my
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visit directvnow dot com >> shannon: the hero who helped avert an even greater tragedy in sutherland springs last november are sounding off on gun control. stephen miller welliver chase down a gunman who killed 26 people going to church and a small texas town. tonight he says all the laws of the world won't stop a bad guy from getting a gun. he's got a message for young americans who want stricter gun control. he says they don't understand history. the government compensates guns, tear and he will become a real threat. he says he loves his town. the areas earlier today. speak of this community is a slice of what america should be and a slice of what america used to be. and there is no better place to live then right here in sutherland springs. >> shannon: he says he does think there is some common ground. he wants folks to talk about common sense measures to to prevent more events like that.
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a blessed passover and good friday to all who are serving tonight. have a good weekend. most-watched, most trays trusted, most gratefully spent e evening with us. good art from washington, i'm shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." if we have learned anything over the last year, it's pretty hard to accomplish things in washington. the republicans control the white house and the congress and after a full year, no wall has been built and obamacare is still there.ob federal judges are part of the problem with that, lots of executive orders have been shot down with bogus rulings. but the core problem is the structural one. the president is not an emperor. no president is. but that has not stoppeded mass delusions on the left that he has in fact a dictator. at an event yesterday hillaryt clinton suggested that president trump is on the verge of taking over this country somehow and de


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