tv Your World With Neil Cavuto FOX News April 18, 2018 1:00pm-2:00pm PDT
on fox news channel. it's been an up and down day on the dow. we're closing down 38, 39, something like that. neil cavuto with context and perspective. this is fox news channel. >> neil: a nation in mourning. flags flying at half staff at the white house and all across america in honor of barbara bush. president george w. bush calling it the end of a beautiful life. the president saying his mom was strong and lucid and kept her sense of humor until the end. george h.w. bush said the outpouring of love is getting them through this. welcome. i'm neil cavuto. this is "your world." the funeral for the former first lady is planned for saturday at st. martins church in houston. we'll speak to her pastor, reverend russ levinson who was with her when she passed away and will preside over that service.
few that i've encountered come close to his powerful words. look forward to chatting with him. across the country, remembering an american icon. mike emanuel in houston with more. hi, mike. >> neil, good afternoon to you. many dignitaries and many average americans are preparing to pay their respects to barbara bush. her husband, george bush, put out a statement saying "i always knew barbara was the most be loved woman in the world." the truth is, the outpouring is lifting it's up. the enforcer is a family nickname because mrs. bush could be no nonsense. her son, jeb bush, offered this tribute to his mother. >> i had a mom and a dad who taught us right from wrong in all sorts of ways. pounded it into us from the earlier stage. i'm so blessed to be her son.
she taught us to be civil. she taught us to love your family with your heart and soul. >> former president george w. bush says his mother had her trademark sense of humor to the very end. >> she and i were needling each other. she turned to the doctor and said you want to know why george w. is the way she is? the doctor looked surprised. he said because i drank and smoke when i was pregnant with him. >> the invitation-only funeral will be here saturday, neil. >> neil: thank you very much. my next guest served as barbara bush's personal pastor. russell levinson is from st. martins. good to have you. >> good to be here. thank you for this opportunity. >> neil: how is the bush family holding up?
>> they are holding up remarkably. i heard the piece before our conversation began. president bush 41 saying they're being sustained by prayers from family and friends. that's accurate. i was with the family. i will only say barbara because she would let me called her barbara or bar. she wouldn't allow me to call her mrs. bush. she passed away peacefully, gracefully. it was a lovely peaceful, tranquil christian death from this life to the next. we were all together praying. the president holding her hand. all of us holding on to one another. it was a poignant moment when we knew we were coming to the end. her son, neil, asked if i would lead the family in prayer. we all knelt together around the
bed. we all placed our hands on barbara. very peaceful death. we all had an opportunity to say "i love you." those are words that are commonly spoken in the bush home. they come out easily and they have depth and meaning. it was a precious moment, a historic moment and a humbling moment for me to be there with this wonderful family who had become friends and very active members of st. martins as you know. >> neil: and you're not one to pat yourself on the back, but i remember your service for gene cernan, the apollo 17 astronaut. i was fortunate enough to be there and to hear you. talk about an uplifting message at a sad time. do you feel pressure for this one? that's a big responsibility. i have no doubt you're up to it. but you have the eyes of a very,
very important american family and the world on you. >> thank you, neil. you know, i got up the way you got up this morning. i said my prayers this morning the way you did. my prayer this morning -- because there's lots of moving pieces. we've been planning this for a while, the last several weeks and the last several days. my prayer is for a service to honor this week. everybody feels that she was your best friend. she made you feel that because of her humility. it was also extraordinairy the way she made you feel. my prayer is that this service would honor her faith, honor her role and service to our city and state, our nation and our world. and that it would honor god as she would want. we planned this service very carefully. lessons, the music.
there didn't need to be negotiation. i took direction. we would have conversation about it but it was planned. so i'm not frankly -- i'm concerned -- my only concern is that we lift up a service that honored here, what a wonderful woman she was and is and honors her faith. others having speaking roles will address other matters. >> neil: i remember most about you, reverend, an uncanny knack to see the most beloved or historical figures of our time in human terms. i know the gene cernan funeral. cernan's only concern was to fill up the church. that will be not be an issue and certainly wasn't with gene. i'm curious. you were with her and knew her full well what she was looking at. she didn't want to seek any
additional medical care. loved ones will sometimes fight at that. the family seemed to be resigned to it and respecting her wishes. how was that process? i don't want you to divulge anything private with the bush family and that's your right and theirs. but when a loved one says no, no, stop, how did that go? >> yeah, it's a very good question. i think -- i'll try to be -- i think -- you know, we all know this. you've met this wonderful family. you know what you see is what you get. there's no pretense, there's no secrets. but when she decided to make this public statement, it was a decision she made as she makes all of her decisions. thoughtfully, prayerfully. what she recognized, i think, is that she has lived a long, full,
wonderful life. this is a very close family. they love each other very much. they are very faithful to one another. everyone knew and particularly her family. once she made this decision, it was a decision that she felt comfortable with. she made a decision to let life and death oh the only decision she made was to make life and death take its natural course and receive the care and comfortable to have a peaceful death. that's all she received. and all the family yesterday, it was a day full of i love yous. and we read to her during the day. we all took turns. i read the first 48 psalms. as a pastor priest, that got a little tiresome. so i actually reached over and got a copy of "little women" and read her the first two chapters.
neil read to her yesterday. evan isley read to her. i read some out of millie's beak. we read a few hours out when it became clear that things were beginning to turn. it was a precious time. >> neil: as a regular church attending member of your incredible flock, reverend, i'd be curious, how did she see herself? again, don't divulge confidences. she's a unique and historical figure here. a mother and a wife of a president and two sons, governors. that's a unique place in american history. did she ever convey to you that unique post? or unique role? she seemed to slough it off in interviews. just what you see is what you get. you know her better than i.
>> absolutely. a montra in the bush home is you don't spend any time talking about the big me. so if one got too focused on themselves -- >> neil: i'd never survive in that household, reverend. i don't know how i would do it. >> and i have to say -- when i say they were active, they were in church every week unless a health issue or travel prevented them from being in church. they were in church every week. i imagine the president will continue to be in church as his health allows him. barbara taught sunday school for us. she was a member of women and men that gather every monday to stitch kneelers for the pews in the church. she did this until a few weeks ago. the president early in his attendance was known to serve coffee, help usher. very active members of the church. part of the issue for the church family, they will be
reintroduced to this wonderful role, preceding my tenure there. one of the senior pastors had a bring a friend to church sunday. president bush brought margaret thatcher. but it was not uncommon for him to bring -- they didn't have a special place in a pew. yes, there was security through but it was very -- not very noticeable. they were always warm and welcoming. they spoke to people as they came in and came out. but they took their faith very seriously. we say -- one of my -- there's those that wear the badge, but don't live the life. there's those that live the life but don't wear the badge. president and mrs. bush, barbara bush, they lived the life and they wore the badge. they were not reticent to say
they were christians. it was a very open, generous christianity. but they did both. they lived the life, wore the badge gently. it wasn't something they wore on their sleeve. it was something to be hold and see that, national figures. and she knew absolutely knew that when this life came to an end that new life began. so as she took her last breath, there was a sense of relief in the room. and i had the opportunity to spend just a moment with the president. he knows this. i think you need to hear it from your priest from time to time. i said, you know, mr. president, she's more alive now than she ever has been with before. she's with your parents, she's with her parents and friends and she's with your daughter, robin and she will be there to greet you when your time comes.
meantime, she will carry on and serve and continue to be this wonderful family you are. so i got home last night and saw the ticker tape that we all saw, which is that barbara bush dead at the age of 92. i thought to myself, don't believe what you read. because barbara bush is more alive now than she ever has been. >> neil: reverend, someone that has witnessed perhaps one of the most remarkable homilies i ever witnessed in my life for a figure who has left this family, they couldn't have asked for a better human being to said -- say good-bye. a nation that wants to hear it, a family that needs to hear it and people of automatic middle call stripes should hear it. >> thank you, neil. thanks. great to be with you. god bless you. >> neil: all right. barbara bush dead at age 92.
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>> neil: you don't think it's a good idea. >> no. >> neil: you don't think it's something the president would entertain or should entertain? >> i don't think he should fire mueller and i don't think he's going to. this is a piece of legislation that is not necessary. >> neil: obviously some of your colleagues fear it enough to say -- >> but i'm the one that decides what we take to the floor. that's my responsibility as a majority leader, this won't be on the floor of the senate. >> neil: that was the answer when the senate majority leader said there won't be any legislative assurances to keep mueller in his job and nor does he thinks the president is entertaining firing the guy. it's not necessary, period. kathy is here, political strategist harlan hill and we have kristin tate. a lot of republicans are saying,
hey, not a good idea. you shouldn't be doing this. but it is what it is. what do you think? >> well, he's talked about that he's going to fire mueller in the past. he's joked about it. he's thought about doing it. >> neil: push comes to shove, many on the left want to see it but it might not happen. >> he did fire comey. he does like to fire people. but it wouldn't be a good idea. >> neil: you're too young to remember this, but would you ascribe ken starr when his investigation -- >> of course, i don't remember that at all. but where there's a will there's a way. >> neil: what do you think? >> there's an effort to criminalize political differences. apparently there's an effort to criminalize the president making a joke. >> neil: it has come up and we know, the reports are that he considered it some months ago. maybe we're passed that stage
here. but they want protection. >> it's not wise for congress to dictate who and when a president can fire and fire employees of the executive branch. it's a gross overstep of congress and would set -- >> neil: and backfire on the president. in this case it would. >> trump is not going to fire mueller. he is smart enough to realize the political consequences that would be severe. he would have republicans and democrats calling for impeachment. trump supporters would love to see him fire mueller or rosenstein. this investigation has nothing to do with trump-russian collusion. mueller is investigating strippers, this is a -- >> neil: we don't know where that is going. but just when you think that mcconnell was with the president on this and all, he did remind folks on the $1.3 trillion spending measure that the president knew about it and was
well-briefed on it and he said he was surprised of everything in there. what do you think? >> the spending bill? >> neil: but was mcconnell saying the president knew everything was in there? >> if he knew, he should have never signed it. it fully funded sanctuary cities and planned parenthood. >> neil: he's against the. making a lot of recisions here. the president is thinking. >> when you get down to brass tacts, mitch mcconnell is the swamp. >> neil: that's not fair. >> he is. he absolutely is. i think it's exactly something like this -- >> neil: so you're saying a guy that might not agree with everything you're saying is the swamp because he supports -- >> no. he helped push this omnibus bill. he tied the president's hands -- >> neil: he had a lot of people helping him. i'm not apologizing -- >> he and the president are supposed to be on the same team. they're adversarial at this
point. >> neil: if anyone that disagrees with the president the swamp? >> absolutely not. >> neil: didn't mitch mcconnell said what you will, help neil gorsuch becoming a supreme court -- >> i'm trying to understand where mitch mcconnell is coming from. weeks after the fact he wants to talk about back room dealings sand say the president knew about this. how is that productive if they're on the same team? this is mitch mcconnell -- >> neil: you can say the same thing about the president that bashes the republicans -- >> he's not bashing mitch mcconnell right now. >> neil: he did a few months ago. >> i don't know that he said -- >> the reason donald trump won this election is voters are as fed up with republicans -- >> neil: you might be right. you're sense -- democrats are lectured on this debt getting out of control. i find that rich. is this just a problem for both parties? >> aren't we talking about a bipartisan legislation that is being pushed right now?
we have booker and -- it's bipartisan. they're saying let's not allow the president to make -- >> neil: i agree. i wish we had more time. >> this is a good thing. >> neil: we'll have more after this, including the update on north korea. stick around. now, am i gonna be okay? i know people who specialize in "am i going to be okay." i like that. you may need glasses though. schedule a complimentary goal planning session with td ameritrade.
>> i think mike pompeo is extraordinair extraordinary. he was number 1 at westpoint, tops at harvard. a great gentleman. i think he will go down as truly a great secretary of state. >> neil: well, that's very powerful support. the president confident that mike pompeo will have enough senate votes for confirmation. this is in the heels of a meeting between the president and president shinzo.
and congressman, thanks for taking the time to be here with us. is it your sense that this nomination will go through first off? there's all sorts of efforts to bypass the committee there. one way or the other, pompeo is our next secretary of state? what do you think? >> absolutely, neil. i whole heartedly agree with the president's statement. mike pompeo is a patriot. he's brilliant. with the world burning and everything we're dealing with, he had a strong bipartisan vote for a cia director, the democrats need to stop holding us up. we need a secretary of state more than ever. look how he spent his easter. they're blocking it in committee. but i think it needs to go through and they'll do whatever it takes to get him in that role. >> neil: not just democrats, too. a number of republicans, rand paul among them very concerned about the aggressive posture pompeo has taken in the past when it comes to foreign
incursions and the like and he wouldn't have his vote. maybe after a little pressure from the president, rand paul will meet with pompeo. i don't know what the skinny is there. what do you think of that? >> everybody is entitled to their own vote. they should look at whether somebody is qualified and capable. if you look at mike pompeo, look at his background and his experience. he's an extraordinary patriot. we need him right now in these roles. you can see what's going on with north korea, china, russia. >> neil: what did you think of that meeting in north korea? pompeo was there meeting with him. caught a lot of people off guard. what do you think? >> it shows bold leadership. the president is willing to crank up the pressure economically, to keep military options on the table and to send mike pompeo into north korea in order to have a precursor to the talks.
we have to ensure that north korea is -- the peninsula is denuclearized, that they stop their other activity with their missile programs and exporting of terror and other things. it shows bold leadership. insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. i applaud this move. >> neil: where do you think that meeting with the north korean leader and our president should take place? it looks like the dmz between south and north korea. others suggest a different venue. what do you think? >> yeah, i know the administration is working through that. you know, north korea doesn't have and airplane to make it to some places. so they'll pick the right spot. i'm skeptical. we've seen this before where they tried to use talks as a stalling mechanism. i know president trump and his leadership team know it's been used in the past and they won't let him get away with it.
i'm heading over there next month myself to the dmz and visit the troops and see what's going on. i applaud the pressure. we have to keep the pressure up. don't let up. >> neil: thank you very much. >> thank you. >> neil: and you know jerry brown wants to be a sanctuary state. but there's so many cities and counties seeking sanctuary from the sanctuary state. get the latest after this. they always thank you for your service, which is nice because as a spouse you serve too. we're the hayles and we're usaa members for life. you might or joints.hing for your heart... but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide.
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>> neil: all right. we're expecting an update from the ntsb on the southwest scare that killed one and frightened an entire passenger list here. how that routine maintenance on a single item wasn't performed and led to a disaster. as soon as they take to the microphone, we'll cover it. meantime, this. >> leaders of these local communities from mayors to
sheriffs are saying your law favors the rights of criminal illegal aliens over the rights and the safety of the communities. your response. >> absolutely false. >> neil: all right. obviously the governor of california sees things differently than my next guest because the san diego county supervisor is looking right now at getting away from this sanctuary push that seems to be gripping the state. many communities are opting out. my next guest, the county board of supervisors, christian gaspar from san diego county. where does this stand right now in your community? to opt out of it? >> yes. yesterday was an important day for the san diego community. it was a 3-1 vote. san diego county decided to move forward and join the department of justice litigation against the state of california and its unconstitutional laws. >> neil: what are you trying to
say here? i don't know whether the governor in this could could exact punishment on district counties that don't honor what the state honors. how does that work? >> it's important to know and understand in the interim we have this litigation that is moving forward. the county of san diego at the first opportunity will be supplying a brief to the court that will likely be on appeal. it's almost certain that this case will be heard on appeal no matter who prevails. so in the interim, we will be following the state's laws. that's what our sheriff's law has been tasked to do. we're going to make sure that san diego has a voice in this. we have daily impact that we're seeing in the community. while we're speaking here, any within between 1 and 3 criminals are being released without any questions asked back out to the san diego community. it's simply not right.
>> neil: so when the governor says this stuff, exaggeration, it's not really happening, you say what? >> somebody needs to be the adult in the room. the governor came unglued when asked a few simple questions about the impacts of sb-54. these are impacts that i see on a daily basis as a chair woman of the san diego county board of supervisors. we need coordination between local, state and fall agencies. we're a border city. we have to make sure that we have a way to address the drug trafficking, the human trafficking, the weapons trafficking across our border in a collaborative effort. sb-54 has undermined that. something needs to make sure that we look out for the san diegoians that are looking for us to get it right. >> neil: thanks, kristin.
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>> neil: all right. a number of airlines now are increasing inspections of their boeing 737 engines after this southwest engine exploded and left one dead. julie banderas has more. >> yeah, neil, we're learning about the people in the flight and the heroic efforts by the crew and passengers and trying to save the woman that was hit bring shrapnel. a nurse on board said she tried to resuscitate her by doing cpr and using a defibrillator after fellow passengers pulled her back in when her upper torso was
sucked out of the plain. the woman was described as a remarkable woman. meantime, the southwest airline pilot, tammie jo shults that called for emergency services to be prepared on scene, she's being hailed as a hero today for successfully landing the plane without more passengers being injured. shults was one of the first female fighter pilots for the navy and started in 1994. listen to her calmly talking about the situation when speaking with air traffic control. >> gary kelly said she and the flight crew handled the situation magnificently and did the job superbly. aviation experts said what occurred is an uncontained fan failure or throwing of fan blade, as it's called, which is
a rare occurrence but not that first for southwest airlines. this happened in 2016. same engine, same airline and damage short of a window puncture. on the left, 2016. on the right, yesterday's engine. eerie similarities. a complete investigation could take up to a year. >> neil: thanks very much. let's dip into this press conference here. >> an indication in the cockpit for engine vibration. it increased significantly on the left engine. shortly thereafter the cabin attitude warning horn activated. from my experience of flying a 737, i can tell you that that warning activates around 13,500, 14,000 feet, somewhere in there. so shortly after the engine indications went down and the
vibration increased, that's when the cabin altitude warning horn started making noise. indicating the cabin altitude was going through about 14,000 feet. the aircraft began a rapid uncommanded left roll. when you fly on an airliner, you'd rarely get over about 20, 25 degrees of bank. this went over to 41 degrees. the pilots levelled the wings and throughout the rest of the flight, there is what i'm going to describe as a fair amount of vibration throughout the air frame, the airplane. as i mentioned last evening, the flight crew elected to land with
flaps five as opposed to flaps 30 or 40. they did that because they were concerned of aircraft controllability issues. because they're landing with lesser flaps, that will mean a higher approach speed. the speed at touchdown was around -- was right at 165 knots. and that converts to 190 miles per hour. now, to put that in perspective, again, i'm going back to my days of flying 737s, the speech at touchdown varies according to the weight of the aircraft, but to put it in perspective, a typical approach speed for a 736 might be around 135 knots. this aircraft was landing 165 knots. the higher speed is because they
landed with a lesser flap setting than typical. the time from the initial event to touchdown, 22 minutes. we have very talented meteorologists in washington working for the ntsb as well as air traffic control specialists. >> neil: they're trying to find out what caused this, a routine maintenance issue that wasn't being addressed in the case of the southwest flight explosion. judge andrew napolitano is here with us. >> this is a clear case for a wrongful death brought on behalf hoff the family of this wells fargo executive. this is not a weather-related event. we don't know exactly what caused it. just listening to the ntsb, there's some defect in the plane. there may be other potential defendants, the fabricators of
the metal. that would be up to southwest to enjoin, to bring in other defendants with them. as a practical matter, cases like this settle. the last thing that southwest wants is for us to be talking about this again two years from now when the case is tried in lower manhattan. the measure of damages is the loss of the economic value of the decedent. you're talking about an executive at one of the largest banks in the united states. she appears to be in her mid 40s. could be a very, very, very large number. >> but if you're boeing and the air light might say, this could be something that investigators are looking at the possibility this could be something. we haven't gotten there yet. therein lies how wide spread this could be. >> and it's an incentive to
boeing to recall those planes before somebody else is hurt and boeing or its insurance carrier is exposed to more damages. >> or whether the airline itself was -- you have to -- maintaining the proper, you know -- >> the airline ceo initially claimed after this happened yesterday that the plane had passed a test the day before. that could not be. if that is true, then the test was inadequately performed. we're talking about metals that failed. a type of failure that should have been discovered. >> neil: the pilot in this case being called a hero here. interviews with her are ensuing. is it your sense that investigations like this take a long time? because in the meantime, people worry, flying themselves. hey, this was a freak event, an unusual event. should i worry?
it does put pressure on people to find out what happened. >> i'm smiling because when this was happening yesterday, when we learned about it, i don't want to say who but i was chatting with a colleague that is responsible for booking the flights for the rest of us. she looks at me and she goes, i'm never taking a window seat again. this is terrifying. if she wasn't in the window seat, she would be alive today. the horrible coincidence where she happened to be sitting, a great incentive on the part of the ntsb and the airline to say, look, we've checked out everything. this is not going to happen again. the skies are safe. the planes are sound. it was just a weak metal in this one and it won't happen again. they have to do that. otherwise they're going to suffer a serious loss of revenue. >> neil: also the speed of finding out what happened. the longer you don't know -- >> and the more business you lose. i don't want to sound like -- it's the incentive for the
airlines. >> neil: judge, thanks very much. he's on top of everything and anything that we throw at him. you know that the funeral for barbara bush is slated this weekend. getting word that first lady melania trump will be there. what to make of that and these events that can unify parties and a nation. presidential historian, doris concerns goodwin on that. thank you nor taking the time. >> you're welcome. >> neil: you've done a not of forums with barbara bush and funny ones. she was certainly her own person and the reverend that will be handling the mass and doing a homily in her honor said she wanted it that way. she wanted to be real. this is united folks from all parties going to this funeral mass. how important are these events
historically when they happen and everyone goes? >> you know, i think in a certain sense, the remembrance of barbara bush of a person that was such a public servant for all of her life at a time when politics and public service is not held in a high regard. you know, i'm not sure it's fair to feel controversial about the fact that the president is not going. it's not a state event. many examples that president obama didn't go, president reagan didn't go. if he would go, would be a sense of healing in the bush trump situation. and thei wish he were there but it's not against tradition for him not to go. >> neil: and depends on the event. john and jackie kennedy to eleanor roosevelt's funeral.
i'm wondering what you made. one interesting conversation when maria bartiromo talked with george and laura bush. laura bush revealed a year ago she visited melania at the white house. i guess they were talking about raising children in the white house. that surprised me given the tension between the bushes and the trumps or more to the point george bush and his brother, jeb. didn't get in the way of the first ladies. what did you think of that? >> it's great. there's so few experiences that people can share that have been first lady or been president that i wish the presidents had more of a club after it was only. knowing they only know the excitement and the difficulty of being president. so true of first ladies. so to reach across tensions that happened during campaigns and to share what it's like to be first lady, it's a human thing to do and does everybody good.
i wish they would get together more. >> neil: i was catching not long ago and you were so featured in the documentary on the roosevelts. you know, think after years, a lot of the friction and political enemies back and forth die down with the aging of our bodies. i wonder whether a lot of the grievances, that might still be the case, ease at a funeral or when people reach a certain age. what do you think of that? i know you wrote eloquently of the taft and the roosevelt relationship, they tried to make head way on that. how much of that survives? >> there's a moment and maybe it doesn't last far beyond funerals or that moment when you remember the best in a person and you want to feel the ties that once bound you. you want a story to end better
than it started. that's what happened with teddy and taft. they were such enemies. right before unique position to a president or a first lady. very few people have that experience or know what it's like. there's a certain comradery to that club. the last presidential race was a divisive race, particularly between the bush family and donald trump. does this ease that, change that, the president put out a very nice statement. he and melania and her passing. but again, i'm wondering whether things change or whether that that is something for the next generation to deal with. >> probably something for the next generation. on the other hand, just the fact that melania will be there, that other first ladies will be there, it's just a reminder to people that politics may be a blood sport at times, but there's something about people that go into political life and
the straining that they suffer and the exhilarations that they enjoy, that should bind them together and make them feel, as you said, a sense of comradery. that will happen at the funeral and maybe will cast a glow afterwards to remind these people that they have entered public service for a reason and not just to feel the other is the other and to hate the people on the other side. it's what we need in our country. we should savor these moments even if they don't last long, they remind us of something. >> neil: you know, i wanted your take on when barbara bush came in after nancy reagan, she embraced the first grandmother. did it bother her what she was called that? >> you know, i don't know whether it did or not, that sense of self-mockery is something. she said i'm not going to dye me hair or go on a diet. >> neil: she sounds like me.
i say the same thing. and just embracing that gives you a strength against whatever else somebody else might see you as. you see yourself as the person you want to be. >> neil: one thing i'm reminded, too, a sense of humor goes a long way. and i just found that barbara bush had this unique ability to make fun of herself, to zing her kids and her husband. i always found that very refreshing. >> no question. we went up to kennebunkport when i worked for her on her literacy foundation. my son, joe, just came back from iraq. i got stuck in the bathroom. i couldn't get out. so president bush had to come with a hammer to get the lock down. i came out. he says, well at least you write well. there's barbara laughing and they hugged me and made me feel okay. that's where humor comes in. >> neil: for her, how did she change the view of her husband?
he seems so stiff. the rap was, he had a great sense of humor himself and she was the spark. what do you think? >> she was a woman that did smile and was warm and could embrace people. i think he had that in him. when you're with somebody that has that, you relax more, too. so she made that impact on him. you could see it when they were together. there was a certain strength that they had together.absolutely. >> neil: absolutely. and to have you at their house, a home run. thanks, doris. remembering an iconic american family. i guess it was the kennedys and the bushes, alls remember and so shall she. "the five" is next. iving bonus k every six months i'm accident free. and i don't share it with mom! right, mom? righttt. safe driving bonus checks.
juan williams, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." we begin with a major diplomatic breakthrough with north korea. a secret meeting just revealed to the world. cia director mike pompeo met with kim jong un over easter weekend, paving the way for a potential summit between president trump and the dictator. the president spoke about the trip and his secretary of state nominee at mar-a-lago. >> i think mike pompeo is extraordinary. numb