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session of the dow. 18 in the red today. i'm shepard smith in new york. should news break out, we'll break in. breaking news changes everything on fox news channel. this is america's choice for news and information on cable. >> neil: all right. we're just getting news into our newsroom right now concerning a shooting at a nashville mall. this is in nashville, tennessee at the opry mills mall. one person has been taken to the hospital. we're keeping an eye on that. this just in to the newsroom. if we get anything more, we'll keep you posted. meantime, there's this. >> did the justice department authorize the wiretap with the president and his personal attorney, michael cohen? >> i'm not sure of the comments of the report or the claims in the report. that's something that you'd have to talk with the department of justice and the president's
outside counsel. >> did he learn about the wire type -- >> i haven't talked to him about that. i can't verify that report. >> neil: all right. here's what's causing the big fuss. before the raids, michael cohen's phones were tapped. nbc news is reporting this. we're trying to get confirmation of this. the question is who authorized it. was the president of the united states aware of it. we reached out to the justice department and the u.s. attorney's department in the southern district of new york. received a no comment. rudy guliani is addressing this. john roberts at the white house with more on all of it. john? >> we spoke to attorneys on all side here. none of them have been able to confirmed whether or not there was wiretaps. clearly it's a source deep inside the investigation, i would say. at the heart of this, whether or not he was wiretapped and whether, as is reported, one of the conversations that was
intercepted originated from a phone here at the white house. if the president was subject to a federal wiretap, i'm told by legal sources close to the white house, that would be a very, very serious issue. rudy guliani telling the daily beast this afternoon, he doesn't believe that it happened. he says if it did, it's a very serious overreach by the doj. guliani saying anybody that says that i'm exaggerating when i say this is an out of control investigation and they're acting like storm troopers, give me a break, baby. they prove it every day. guliani also encouraging jeff sessions to take action, telling the hill "i'm waiting for the attorney general to step in in his role in the defender of justice and put these people under investigation." so far the white house is at arm's length for what's going on in terms of the latest developments surrounding the cohen investigation. sarah huckabee sanders was asked this afternoon if she knew when the last time the president spoke to michael cohen was.
listen here. >> i'm not sure when the last conversation took place. on the second part, i'm not aware of specific places where he's representing the president. on the last one, i would refer you to the president's outside counsel about any concerns of wiretapping. the first awareness i had was during the interview. >> we know the president called michael cohen a week after his office, apartment and hotel room was raided by the fbi. searched by the fbi, defending on which vernacular you want to use. the president checking in with cohen to see if he was okay to buck up and weather the storm. in terms of the disclosure last night, and this is a huge bomb shell, neil, rudy guliani going on sean hannity's program to say that michael cohen was reimbursed for that $130,000 that he paid stormy daniels by the president and it was in the form of payments, a retainer to
michael cohen for services rendered and expenses incurred saying they had nothing to do with the campaign. purely about trying to protect the president's personal reputation, trying to protect his family. but guliani also said this this morning. listen here. >> imagine if that came out on october 15, 2016 in the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. >> so to make it go away, they made -- >> comey didn't even ask. cohen made it go away. he did it his job. >> the way he framed it there, there would have been some impact on the campaign had the payment not been made. one thing i can tell you about that rudy guliani said last night, came as a surprise to everybody at the white house except the president. the president knew he was going to go out and say it. the chief of staff didn't. the white house counsel didn't. the press office certainly didn't know about it. i would hazard a guess, neil, if some of those people, particularly the chief of staff
and the white house counsel, don mcgann knew that rudy guliani was going to do it, they would have gone to great lengths to try to talk the president out of it. neil? >> neil: amazing. we're following that. what does this mean if in fact there was a separate issue of the president's lawyer having his office raided, his home raided and weeks before that his phones tapped? you have to wonder what they're after. paul manafort's office was raided. this was a pattern here and worrisome one. is was justified? mercedes, it's big deal when they do this stuff. we can't confirm this nbc report. what do you make of it? >> it's extraordinarily aggressive, no doubt. when it's done, then there's a lot of experts that say there might be some criminal act that they're investigating. it's such an extreme measure. >> the focus would be on cohen
and his business deals. that's part of it. we're still unraveling, what exactly the focus is in this investigation. they're zeroing in on his business deals. we're talking about michael cohen. >> neil: but some of the conversations could be with the president of the united states. >> could be. that's as a defense attorney and any attorney you speak to, it's so volitive of the attorney client privilege. we're not going to disclose it, take it to the grave and you can have this open flow of information because of it. it's extreme and rarely done. >> neil: who has access to this stuff? let's say you've gotten the phone calls and you've gotten the information a few weeks later, raiding the offices. who has access to that stuff? >> usually what the investigators do, they make the argument. they have what is called a taint group. taint investigators.
nothing to do with the primary ones but the separate ones. they'll go through the communications, separate the attorney client privilege information that has nothing to do with what they're investigating. if you have this taint group that investigates, goes through the documents, they separate the information out and flow it -- >> neil: if they -- >> this is not attorney client -- >> neil: if they stumble on other things that are not related to this, at best ancillary to that, that can be open season. >> oh, sure. if you hear some of the experts -- legal experts, legal scholars that have come forward saying this is -- they're eroding the attorney client privilege if we allow this to continue. it will be problematic. >> neil: where is this going? this is strong tactics. the invasion of his office, michael cohen's offices and home and manafort's before that. this is pretty strong tactics.
you obviously have to clear them first to get approval to do them. what is giving you the impetus to do it to get that approval? how do you submit it to a judge to be allowed to do it? >> reading tea leaves here. follow the money. we're talking about the money itself. let's follow the money. step number 1. cohen said i took a loan out. we know campaign laws say very specifically, the maximum contribution can be $2,700. if the loan was $130,000, that bank form that you filed apparently according to cohen that he had this arrangement of this loan, what was the purpose of the loan? even if it was repaid. that's one version. we don't know if that will be solidified in the investigation. that's one. when you talk about the president saying, well, i gave him a retainer, a monthly retainer that he could take care of whatever expenses and i wasn't aware of what he's doing. an ethical lawyer will say, if i'm giving a retainer by a client, that's going to be set
forth in what is called an i owe account. if i want to then use some of those funds, i need to get expressed permission from the client. so i have direct communication with the client, can i use these monies that you've given in the retainer to pay these fees. it's that communication. and then they'll look and say, even if there was a reimbursement, nothing to do with the campaign, then was there -- let's look at the timing. the timing is an issue. you're looking for the intent of the $130,000. if you look at the intent, so timing will be an issue. it's all evolving now. >> neil: it is. >> we're not sure -- >> neil: in the hour. thanks very much. we want to get the read on this with brian brenberg. to mercedes point, professor, it's all about what comes out of
these -- the search for evidence and this payment that was sent to michael cohen or to cover his costs for the $130,000 check that he wrote stormy daniels. a lot of people will read sinister intentions to that. if it doesn't involve campaign funds, there's no there there. but after that, it's anyone's guess. what do you think? >> that's what it looks like to me. you have the one hand, it could be an unseemly situation and voters will have to make a decision about that. on the other hand, if there's no there there, you don't have a legal issue and you've got to move passed it at some point and it is a political issue than a legal issue. as you said, it's changing hour by hour. so to make any definitive read is completely impossible. >> neil: the wealthy have a lawyer on retainer, they take care of business. the president was paying mr. cohen $35,000 a month in
retainer to cover anything that might come up. he writes a check to this woman to sort of get it behind them. rudy guliani was on here earlier to say that there was no acknowledgements of wrong doing or there was any real relationship here, a one night stand, any of the above. this is the kind of thing that those that are successful deal with. does that make sense to you and the president wouldn't know the details? >> well, you know, this is the iss issue. the average american will say what is it like to have someone that thanks care of things for you? that's possible what cohen is supposed to do. how does that play to your average american that says i don't have somebody in my life like that. if i have that kind of money, i know what's going on. that's what the president and his team deal with. regardless of the legal issue, they have to deal with that narrative and how do they explain that to the american people as they look ahead to 2020 and even 2018.
>> does it make sense to say in terms of numbers here, the president is a rich man, he had $100 million that he gave to the campaign. no campaign funds were use. these are the numbers that go back and forth that make $130,000 seem like chump change. would it be normal for a lawyer to apprise his clients that hey, i had made this payment, you should be aware. at what point would that be done or just depends on the lawyer and the client? >> again, it depends on what the arrangement here is. if the point is i don't want to know what you're taking care of, there's a high threshold in terms of this dollar amount. higher than $130,000 that we're talking about here. in this case, it sounds like the arrangement is i don't know because i don't want to get into a legal situation. take care of it. there has to be a threshold. mr. trump is not completely made of money but that seems to be the arrangement. for the average american, the question is what does that look like?
how does that even happen? how does the president help his voters, his base get comfortable with that kind of thing? just to trust him going into 2018, 2020, you know, that he's doing his job in an appropriate manner that a way is befitting of a president of the united states. >> thanks very much. we'll have more on this. also want to bring you up to date on what i mentioned at the top of the show. what looked like an incident at a nashville, tennessee mall. authorities are saying we don't have any information on a shooting. there has been an incident. they're on top of it. we'll be on top of it as well if we get any further developments. also on top of a market that had an enormous comeback today from down about 400 points to up about five. what happened? what if i told you a lot of this has to do with china? i'll explain. prepare for your demise, mr. billingsley! do your worst, doctor. i will. but first, a little presentation.
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there's a report of a shooting at the opry mills mall in nashville, tennessee. a lot of back and forth on this. we know now that there was a reporting of gun fire, that one person was shot. the susrespected shooter is in custody. it appears to have wrapped up with the apprehension of the shooter. if we get anything more on this, we will of course pass that along. also, a look at the dow. want to update you on what was a remarkable comeback for stocks. a lot of that to do that by the time they come home tomorrow night, this avengers economic dream team gathered right now in beijing to extract concessions out of the chinese, just might get some on their way home tomorrow night. there's no way to prove that, no way to verify that. the concern that this will turn into a nasty tit for tat still
might and eases on reports that talks are growing well. they're coming back tomorrow night. we'll know tomorrow night. meantime, another deadline fast approaching. that is on this iran deal and what to do about it. a little more than a week away determining on the part of the president whether he wants to nix the deal in place or fix the one that is. all right. former u.s. army intelligence officer joining us. michael, french and german leaders said we put too much in this to risk starting from scratch. there's things that we can fix. the president says no, it was a disaster from the get-go. what do you think he's going to do? >> he's going to walk away. thanks for having me, neil. he's going to walk away. macron has said it best. if there's not fixes to the jcpoa, iran will become north korea in ten years. the president will walk away
based on what bolton and pompeo are advising him and the briefing that netanyahu gave last week. >> neil: and then what? a lot of people say -- i know this was not the kind of thing that -- since it was not ratified by congress, we could walk away if we want to, but critics say be careful because then, you know, you can't trust the americans. one president and the next guy shelves it. what do you think? >> this gives us leverage with north korean. kim jong-un wanted an iran-like deal. he was banking on that. this gives us leverage. we're tearing up a bad deal and going in from a position of strength. i think it gives us leverage. that's a weak argument from the other side. >> neil: but i'm curious, tim money guy here at fox, the nerdy
guy. iran has their money, a money. >> right. >> neil: so what is the incentive for them to say, all right, sure, let's renegotiate this or get involved in this? >> they squandered that's money. that's what the protests are about. the iranian money have said the regime squandered the economic benefits of the iran deal, the $150 billion. it's gone. it went to ballistic missile testing and exporting of terrorism. protesters are stop paying attention to iraq, syria and lebanon and pay attention to us. you're looking at a possible trillion going to a regime to continue ballistic missile testing, the export of terrorism. all the while, at the end of a sunset clause, it's a nuclear north korea. that's the reason to walk away from the jcpoa.
if you want to hurt the regime, take the jcpoa away. europe is not investing now. they're not going to invest in iran when the u.s. has walked away from it. iran's economy is not worth it. doesn't matter how much they hate the president, it's not worth hurting a europe for a president that could be gone in two to six years. >> neil: doing the math there. thanks very much. good seeing you. >> thank you. >> neil: a good read from what is happening on capitol hill. they're watching this closely. not only the iran thing but the upcoming meeting with the north korean meeting with the president and a lot hangs in the balance. depending how it goes, even the november elections. is that right? a read from a top democrat after this. in the corps, so i'm not happy unless my hands are dirty. between running a business and four kids, we're busy. knowing that usaa will always have my back... that's just one less thing you have to worry about. we are the cochran family, and we'll be usaa members for life.
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>> neil: kanye west could be adding to the white house. this is a new poll showing the president's approval rating among earns has doubled since kanye west tweeted his approval of the president himself. darrell scott is working on that summit now. pastor, thanks for taking the time. >> thank you for inviting me. >> what do you make of this? >> it's a great thing. we've been in contact with the white house, the office of public liaison about organizing a summit, athletes on race and race relations. you know, the artists and the athletes are the cultural influences, have a wide base that they speak to and from. so we have been discussing organizing this summit when the kanye west storm came up. so that simply accelerated the
process and gave it ire of a profile. it's something we've worked on. i met with him today at the white house after the national day of prayer. he's totally 100% for it. so now we're just dotting the is, crossing the ts, getting the logistics in place to do it and do it right and have constructive, positive dialogue that can affect constructive and positive change in our society and bridge the racial divide that began in the election and continues until now. >> neil: you mentioned the election. the president said this throughout, especially minorities, what do you have to lose? what do you have now from the democrats? it was blunt but to the point. what did you make of that? and the message sent? he refers to record low unemployment levels among young americans, minority in general.
t >> i was in agreement when he said that. the democratic party doesn't think it has to offer the black community anything. the urban community anything. because they -- why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? what the president has done with the record low unemployment is the tip of the iceberg. we've been working on a huge urban revitalization initiative. the executive orders are being prepared. the policy has been written. we're working with the office of domestic policy, strategic innovations. national economic council. there's going to be a huge urban initiative that we're spear heading with the president. the largest public private partnership regarding urban america. it's going to tie in with the president's tax reform bill that created these opportunity zones and gave those that wish to
defer or eliminate their capital gains taxes an incentive to invest and to revitalize the urban communities. it's going to be huge. dirt is going to be moved, grounds will be broke. a huge 13-point program to this model. it's going to be sensational. it's going to be great. really great for the urban communities of america. >> neil: i know you're a man on a mission. you don't stop. so i look forward to chatting with you again. thank you, pastor, very much. >> thanks for having me. i'll keep you posted. >> i look forward to that. maybe get you on saturday to talk about it. >> i'd love to. >> neil: done. >> there's a scripture in the bible that says you have not because you ask not. >> neil: i think they were referring to that weekend show. thanks, pastor. we'll keep you posted on those developments. that could be a very big change. a lot depends on the economy and the improvement we're seeing.
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maker. in seattle, that's what they are risking with a proposal to sort of tax companies, big companies to help pay for a lot of things in that city and in that environment. the homeless, the host of other things. deidra bolton has the latest on what is escalating into a major threat and fight, huh? >> it is, neil. a private negotiation between amazon and seattle city council just went very public. so the city council wants to tax companies that are based there that have more than $20 million a year in revenue. so it's a head tax, is what is proposed. of $500 per employee per year. so amazon is seattle's biggest employer. 45,000 local employees. that tax would cost amazon between $30 million and $40 million per year. amazon is making it's clear they're not on board. so pending this vote, amazon has halted construction of a new building that were putting in downtown seattle. they said you know what?
we're going to at employees in vancouver, boston. from the point of view of seattle city council, they say the city has the third largest homeless population after new york and l.a. we need help. we need the tax money to build 1,800 affordable housing units. we need the money to fund homeless services. so within amazon, there's great income disparity. in some ways, that's what this is about. you have executives making between $100,000 and $200,000 a year. even the people in the warehouses make less than $30,000 a year. seattle says we've been good to you, amazon. be good back. amazon is looking as we all know for the second h.q. and will be looking to expand other offices faster than previously thought. that vote is the 14th of may. so the situation will be clearer after that. back to you. >> neil: amazon can say we've been good to you, too. >> exactly. >> neil: see what happens.
thanks very much. all right. we have -- i do want to get into this. catalina magazine and charles payne, the host of "making money." i want to get into some stuff that hillary clinton said as well. on this, charles, the argument is look, you have a big tax break, all of these big companies. saving a ton on taxes. this is not that expensive. you can well-afford to do it, do it. >> yeah. you know, seattle really needs to be really introspective here. because what we're talking about is a city over the last year declared war on the homeless. hostile architecture, the benches, extra roads, bike racks, they put up fences under freeways. they declared war on a the homeless. they have done these quirky things like hire minimum wage, which has created job losses. now they want big corporations to bail them out. amazon, i think, probably is
thinking about this in principle. we're talking about building a 17,000 story building. that is amazing. you don't want to mess with that if you're seattle. >> neil: what do you think? other companies when they're dictated to provide things that they think the government should be doing would feel the same way, right? >> yeah. the revenues look great. the companies are doing better than ever thanks to the economy. >> neil: when happens when the revenues don't look great and they're not doing as well? >> they are. that's the beauty of it. things are only going to get better, right? why not give back to the community? they're following european mentality of let's all benefit -- >> neil: you're not basing your model on europe, right? >> looks like seattle, what they do, oregon is trying to mimic what they're doing in europe. looks like a european mentality on spreading the wealth. >> neil: you don't think the obligation of the government getting it right demanding
companies pick up the slack if they don't? >> seems like equality for all. seems like a bernie sanders approach with. >> neil: what do you think, charles? >> here's the thing. 11,000 homeless, 5,000 without shelter. 169 died last year, homeless folks. they have a crisis on their hands. looking at a potential way of getting money from different companies. they're not figuring out how to address the issue what is up with americans living under bridges in that city? the fallacy of their approach should be examined and they should find ways to fix that. i think the problem ultimately will fix itself rather than saying to amazon or anyone else, we're going to shake you down. let's not forget, large corporations can move. amazon is looking at $50 billion in a new headquarters. it won't be seattle. this is something that -- >> neil: to that point, they're targeting or knew this might be the fallout knowing full well
that jeff bezos is a liberal, owns the post. he's gotten a lot of heat with the president even though bezos has not commented on the back and forth. but he has to walk the talk. >> bezos is a killer business man. they announced getting into the payment system. their stocks got hammered. today they're getting in pet foods. they're -- when it comes to making money and survival, that's what he wants to do. >> neil: he's not red or blue. he's green. i want to switch gears. it's hillary clinton commenting on what happened in the 2016 election. she's still talking about it. your reaction to this. >> can't blame her. >> the iowa caucuses and 41% of democrats are socialists, and i'm asked are you a capitalist and i say yes with appropriate
accountability. that probably gets lost in the oh, my gosh, she's a capitalist. >> neil: what did you think of that? >> i think she's still trying to figure out what went wrong, what happened. >> neil: do you think she's a capitalist? >> sure. she supports capitolism. she supports the system. she believes in capitalism. >> neil: she and her husband are very rich. are you a capitalist? >> i believe in capitalism. she lost the bernie sanders voters because he's a socialist. that is a key phrase that would have won new hampshire, would have helped her with the younger voters that think capitalism is a bad word. >> neil: she might be right on that. politically, especially in the go-round in this next election. you can make an argument that even breathing that word is not acceptable. >> it's true. a capitalist did become president. she was eventually the nominee
in the primary. it was about her assuming that she would be elevated to the presidency instead of working hard for it, which is a tenant of capitalism. >> neil: the rap about democrats, they don't like capitalism. they think companies are getting away with murder. that they don't help out the workers. >> you mean corporations. which goes back to seattle. so you would think that amazon would want to do the right thing -- >> neil: but do you have the view of ceos -- >> no, not if they do the right thing. >> neil: what is your definition of the right thing? >> what hillary said in an interview, people believe there's such inequality. the bosses are getting the money and there's wage inequality with women and men that capitolism is looking so bad -- >> neil: and it's to the government to force and fair and
narrow that game. >> she said the way bernie sanders explains the socialism in the free universities and doing the right thing -- >> neil: so if you earn too much, you wouldn't mind someone in the government saying no, no, i'd give it back. >> giving back as a company. >> neil: you as an individual, you're too wealthy. >> i believe we have enough taxes already. they should be allocated appropriately. we have enough taxes to go around. >> neil: what is a good acceptable rate you think the rich should pay? >> we have enough -- >> neil: i know what you said. you obviously feel that people like charles don't pay enough. >> you told me in the green room -- >> i believe you should pay more. so i -- >> neil: that's the battle royale in the next election yet again. >> it will be. the notion of -- listen, we know there's large corporations that shoot themselves in the foot. poor boards of directors that pay -- ge.
jeff immelt. like what he did to that company and the stock. he made a lot of money. you can see there's legitimate anger. they're private entities. if they want to ruin themselves by rewarding bad behavior -- >> should be good behavior. >> neil: and it would be like me offering you dietary advice. i wouldn't. >> thank you. >> neil: the government offering anybody financial advice is a slippery slope. >> yeah. the government know what's they're doing, don't >> neil: sure. that's right. >> exactly. >> neil: i want to thank you both very much. more after this. i have type 2 diabetes.
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rudy guliani was here earlier, he had the strongest advice yet that sessions should use his power to shut down the mueller investigation. it's veered widely off course and it's time to do that. i don't think that's in the crystal ball for mr. sessions just yet. obviously a great deal of frustration on this and consternation. i want to bring charles payne in here. it's another element of uncertainty, all that in the markets. but this idea that people are saying that -- his lawyers phones getting tapped, his offices were raided, this has gone nuts. >> that's a way of describing it. if you belief it's intentional and you believe that rudy guliani is crazy like a fox or he stumbled, i feel like the events are probably propelling us closer to a closure on this. i think that is ultimately -- >> neil: not the closure that rudy guliani -- >> yeah, listen, yesterday
changes in the trump legal team i think added to pressure in the stock market. every time there's a major shift, it puts a little pressure. that's the uncertainty that markets are worried about. i feel like rudy is a great voice. again, i'm not a lawyer, but it feels like to me they're trying to get some clarity out there with respect to payments, repayments -- >> neil: you think it's clarity or add to the confusion? by the way, rudy's remarks, you know, he volunteered them in that interview. what do you think? >> well, that michael cohen was reimbursed $130,000. that's clarity. it's done, it's over. we understand that. president trump is someone by some accounts put $100 million in the campaign of his money. it's hard to say that $130,000 would have been used for something nefarious. it's easy to have oversight. it's easy to not in that
instance. i think that's where they're going in this. they said hey, wasn't sure. went through the books. found out it was a reimbursement to his lawyer. really something to president trump's earlier tweet, these kinds of things happen often with famous people. very rich people. >> neil: and lisa is on the phone with us right now. where is this going? charles isn't the only one. lisa has talked about the idea there's a frenetic pace to this that makes you think it's rapidly concluding or is that a leap? >> i think it's a hope. i think rudy guliani came in and he said i can see an end to this. i think for a long time we've heard from -- trump said that sessions should be doing more to protect the white house. right now you have a direct attack on the white house, that they're listening in on wiretaps. have the attorney client privilege violation. you also have information -- we don't know what the conversation
is about. guliani is trying to put pressure on somebody to make a move. it's the investigation going on for such a long time that he's asking for some clarity. honestly, he should be able to receive that. we don't know how long the wiretaps were going on. so it's information that really that he's seeking. >> neil: we know enough about them that if proven true, they were weeks before michael cohen's offices were raided. maybe a year prior when paul manafort's offices were raided, the former campaign chairman. so the president might be within his right, but is he? >> well, i couldn't hear you. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, mr. president and say not deliberately. but consistently. so let me be clear, mr. president. how can you drain the swamp if you're the one that keeps muddying the waters? you didn't know about the $130,000 payment to a porn star till you did. you acknowledged today you were the guy behind the retainer payment that took care of this. you insist that money from the campaign or campaign contributions played no role in this transaction. of that you're sure. the thing is, not 24 hours ago, sir, you couldn't recall any of this. you seem very sure. i'm not saying you're a liar. you're a president, you're busy. i'm having a devil of a time figuring out which news is fake. your own words gave me lots of pause. like the time you said the russians didn't interfere in the 2016 elections until the
republicans had to remind you they did. months later, you said, well, i never said that russia didn't meddle in the election when in fact you had a lot. none of this makes me a never trumper. just confused. when you claims your tax cut was in the biggest in history when it wasn't. or that your job isn't that bad relative to other presidents. they're worse than most presidents at this stage. that can change, but what is weird, the pattern does not. like the time you say rumors of rex tillerson's departure at the statement department were false until they weren't. or your former chief of staff, lance priebus wasn't going anywhere until he was. our your economic adviser, gary cohn, was doing a great job until he wasn't. when you love steve bannon until
you didn't. swore by jeff sessions until you swore at him. had you remember legal team locked in place until it was president. denied reports that you were ever thinking about firing robert mueller even as you now threat to get involved at the justice department. nobody of this makes you evil. i'm sure you can understand why even your friends say these inconsistencies don't make you look good or do anything to help advance your policies, many of which are very good or the prospects for peace with north korea. that is remarkably good. all of this stuff you keep blurting out remarkably bad timing. it's not that these exaggerations and omissions and misstatements are now and then. more like now and then something else, always something else. like the time you claimed you signed more bills than any president ever, neglecting to mention the other four presidents that signed more. bragged about the national debt
being down and it's soared. it's not what you're omitting. it's what you keep stating and never correcting. like when you said there was a serious voter fraud in new hampshire and there wasn't. the same about repeated claims of voter fraud in virginia or there weren't. millions of illegals voted in the last election and they didn't. and when you talked up your massive landslide in the electoral college but there wasn't. again, none of this makes what you say fake. just calling out the presser being so of a bit of a stretch. you're right to say some of them are out to get you. oftentimes they're using your own words to bash you. your base probably might not care. but you should. i guess you're too busy draining the swam top stop and smell the stink you're creating.
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♪ >> dana: i am dana perino along with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, jesse watters, and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five" ." a lot of news unfolding today on the president, the russia investigation, the payment made to stormy daniels and more. there's a new report that the feds wiretapped the phones of michael cohen, the president's longtime lawyer who is now under criminal investigation. according to nbc news, calls were allegedly intercepted in the weeks leading up to the raids on his home, offices, and hotel room. at least one of them was between cohen and the white house. this comes on the hee