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your home, that is it for "special report," fair, balanced, unafraid. i will see you back here at 11:00 p.m. eastern for fox news at night, "the story" hosted by martha maccallum starts right now. >> martha: thank you, shannon, we will see you later tonight pretty retracted story from nbc about michael cohen and now a pitched battle by the president to fight back against the mueller probe in a way that we have not seen. >> this has become a witch hunt to like president said. the truth is defined by james comey. james comey is the biggest liar of 2016-2017. the basis of the case is dead. they should step in and close it and say enough is enough. >> martha: a lot there, good evening, everybody, i am martha maccallum, this is "the story," now pretty clear that the first meeting between the president's new attorney rudy giuliani on the special counsel robert mueller likely did not go all that well. because if you look at that meeting and what came right
after it, that is when the whole thing became a brand-new ball game. ty cobb was out, 49 questions leaked to the press and the new man on the team everywhere pressing new lines of attack. >> it is not campaign money. no, no campaign finance violation. people in pay that money when it is not true. sometimes they pay it when it is not true even more than when it is true, because it is so unfai unfair. >> martha: this is a sparring stance that the president is known for. >> i only go after them when they go after me. i am a counter punch her. they go after me, i go after them. >> martha: giuliani's media blitz triggered a new style votes from the mueller site in a form of a leak to nbc news this afternoon that then turned out to be wrong. nbc reported that trump's lawyer michael cohen had been wiretapped. and that at least one of the calls that he had made that was picked up was to the white hous
white house. giuliani said at the time, he did not think that that was true. and he turned out to be right. nbc issued a correction saying that he was surveilled good the meaning and the difference of that and a moment. corey lewandowski, michael cavuto, and jonathan turley, first we go to trump campaign manager cory lewandowski, nice to see you tonight. thank you for being here. it is pretty clear that we have seen a real sort of tact, real change in how they are going about this. >> yes, i think that that is right. what you see is mayor giuliani, very well-known, well-respected, former prosecutor understands what the mueller team is trying to do and what he is out lying is very clear, there's been no evidence of collusion whatsoever. so for the entire premise of the investigation which was supposed to be looking into whether russia colluded with the trump campaign to impact the election, that has not occurred. and now it has spun off in a series of different other things that they are looking into and
what the mayor is saying is let's end this where we are going to fight about what you really should be looking into. >> martha: what you think rudy giuliani really picked up on in the meeting with robert mueller when he took over the job and said, let's sit down and talk about where we are? what do you think he picked up on that triggered? >> well, i do not know, but my guess would be that the mayor sat down with the mueller probe people and to realize that they had no evidence whatsoever of collusion, which is exactly what the president has been saying and exactly what i've been saying from day one, there is no evidence of collusion. if that is where the goal was supposed to be was to find any potential evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russians or foreign officials, none of that exists. and i think that's probably what the mayor found out during that time was that it did not exist. >> martha: we are about to talk to michael cavuto that says that he was shocked at everything that the mueller team, knew about every intricacy of this campaign. so one of the things i am still
going back to is the issue of the 49 questions. i want to to look very carefully at this passage from "the washington post" story. it says in the wake of the test march 5th meeting, mueller's team agreed to provide the president's lawyers with more specific information about the subject that the prosecutors wanted to discuss. with those details in hand, trump lawyer jay sekulow compiled a list of 49 questions that the team believe the president would be asked. that suggests that the 49 questions did not come from mueller side, they came from jay sekulow. do you know if that is true? >> i do not know if it is true, but what is amazing to me is how all of this information gets played out in the media every day. look, it is really astonishing, this is supposed to be a series of professionals having communications back and forth about if the president is going to sit down and have an interview, what the scope of the conversation is going to be, interrogatory, questions and answered, or something else? we see all of this in the news every day. maybe that is a credit to some
of the media agency is paid by it to me it is more disturbing of the information that is getting out of being leaked all over the place. >> martha: there is a lot of it, i want to know what you think of $130,000, he said that he did not know anything about it, you have to ask our personal attorney michael cohen, then rudy giuliani comes on last night and talks to sean hannity, saying that the president paid him back. that is a new story. what do you think is going on here? >> that is new information. i was not aware of the information prior to her rudy giuliani releasing it to sean hannity, it sounded like there was a stipend with $35,000 a month that was paid consistently over a period of time and for my understanding of what the mayor said, that money was not paid for from the campaign and had nothing to do with a campaign violence violatn and it came from mr. trump to mr. cohen of a series of payments that took course over the regular. mike of time. >> martha: michael avenatti,
stormy daniels attorney was lapping this up. he seems to think that this is a huge issue that the president has now admitted that he reimbursed or his attorney has said that he reimbursed him. he says bring it on, i see this all the time, i know exactly the game that these guys are playin playing. >> it is amazing, that attorney has spent more time on television then he has litigating his own client's case petty on television and he is trying to try the case in the court of public opinion paid what mayor giuliani revealed last night was that mr. trump had a contractual relationship with his attorney and paid him a series of payments over a standard period of time every month. that is not a newsworthy event. this is what stormy daniels wants to make. this is standard operating procedure for most people they deal with their attorneys, they pay them every month. i don't understand what the question is. >> martha: i want to ask you a question, olivia gnu c who wrote a story that was interviewed with michael cavuto, coming up next, you are suing her, she
apparently went into your house uninvited? >> she has admitted, according to her. she broke into my home in washington, d.c., we call that breaking and entering and less you call it something else coming you cannot just walk into some of these home, she took pictures inside the home and all of a sudden a photo album has gone missing after she left, i'm not accusing her, telling you the facts. you cannot watch poll walk into sunday's home and say it is under the guise of journalism. my attorney has notified her that we will continue to pursue legal action, because if this was me walking, or a conservative reporter walking into the home of pick a liberal commentator, whoever that may be, the media would be outraged, but instead she has the audacity to open, she knocked for 10 minutes and nobody answered and then she let herself in bed how do you do that? that is a crime, she has to be held accountable. >> martha: cory, thank you. thank you for being here tonight. so my next guest is a former trim paint sr. adviser who was
drilled by a special counsel mueller's team yesterday. and he joins us now in an exclusive. michael cavuto, thank you for joining the program tonight. >> thank you for inviting me. >> martha: already questioned by the hill, but yesterday you sat down with mueller's folks, what was that like? >> yesterday was my third trip to washington in order to talk about the russia collusion, delusion. and it was with mueller, and with senate intelligence. it was very different from what i did at senate intelligence and what i endured at the select committee last year. the mueller investigation was really not trying to define something. every question they asked, they already have the answer to. so from my perspective, they are quite directive in what they are doing. they still believe in the theory of russia collusion, but of course my perspective is a little bit tilted, because i would not be asked about
obstruction, i was not in the administration when these allegations were launched, and they would not ask me about financial crimes, because i have nothing to do with some of the allegations around some of the other folks. it would be all russia conclusion you would think, but from my perspective, that is not closed yet. >> martha: not the specific questions, but in terms of your feeling from what they were asking, did you get any sense of how far along they are or if they seem to be wrapping this up or whether they are midway through? did you get any indication of that? >> i think that they are pretty far along, without interfering with the investigation, i have to be quite careful about what i say, in fact it was a little bit of an intimidating session, so i am being overcautious. >> martha: how so? >> is very clear that they did not want me to talk about this stuff. and i think that i can characterize what i exchanged with them, but i think that everybody has been on caution by
the mueller team going out there and talking about a chapter in verses, highly discouraged. if somebody over there gets mad, they can invite me back to washington. >> martha: i understand, and i do not doubt it. in terms of the question, and i know that you cannot talk about them specifically, but in terms of the way that they were questioning you, do you feel like you are a target or that you, what was your take away? did you walk out feeling, okay, i am done and they got what they wanted and they do not need anything else from me? >> well, you know, they told me at the beginning and the end, and my attorney when they invited me and i decided to come willingly that i am a witness, not a subject or a target. and afterward that did not change, but i think that they were looking for an opportunity to make me a subject in this thing, but at the same time they are talking about wikileaks and d.c. leaks and things like that.
>> martha: you said that they knew more about the campaign they needed yourself, what did you mean by that? >> i actually said that they know more about the campaign then any one person does who worked there. they have all of the documents that were produced. they have all of the emails from everyone. they have further documentation from people who were in the campaign, their emails, their text. they know chapter and verse on the campaign, and yet, it does not sound like they have proof of collusion delusion. >> martha: michael cavuto, thank you very much. you have been through a lot, and hopefully you can move on with your life and we hope they will be able to do that, so good to see you today. thank you, sir. jonathan turley, constitutional attorney at george washington university. always good to have you here. so how do you think rudy giuliani is doing so far, helping or hurting this case? >> well, i do not think that this was a particular stellar performance, to be absolutely honest. you know, you take these interviews under legal hip
credit both, do no harm, and i do think that he caused some damage for the president. in much of it is not necessarily that offense, but the delivery in these hysterical interviews. now i do not see the intelligent design behind this. you know, for example, trying to convert what was treated as a gift into a loan does not take you out of the campaign finance problem. we can talk about how serious a campaign finance allegation may be, these are not often prosecuted, but it is simply not true that just because the money did not come from the campaign that it is clearly not a campaign finance violation. indeed, by saying this alone, it can trip other wires including new reporting problems even tax problems, so it is a little bit surprising by that whole take. in other respects, i think that he has been unfairly criticized. for example, people have said that he implicated trump in ind
obstruction of justice by saying trump fired james comey because he refused to make public what he had said privately. i wrote a common lament column in "the hill, i wrote that i was surprised that the media was not addressing that obvious offense, because the president stated that offense. >> martha: he clearly said that there was something that bothered him way back. it does not need to be one specific reason that he decided, usually we do not decide to fire someone for one thing, it is a culmination of a lot of different things, right? >> it is and the media has focused on one narrative to the exclusion of others and this explanation is actually the best supported other witnesses have said that the president was very upset that james comey told people outside the fbi and congress that he was not a target and he clearly felt thate was being treated unfairly. now should he ever is that with comey? know, he should not have, but
this is not a crime. it is not obstruction of justic justice. >> martha: what about the wiretapping issue, because it was sort of a heated reporting this afternoon from nbc that to the calls had been reported from michael cohen's office and that one of them was to the white house and had to come back and retract that and serving lands, and i think that that can be described as metadata, sort of the numbers, the phone numbers that come in and the length of the call, right? >> it is ironic, because the media is saying surveillance, these are often the same outfits that criticized the president for using the term "wiretapped" instead of surveillance. but his generation referred to wiretapping as surveillance. but it does sound like what they are describing is a pen register to capture all of the numbers and durations. and that is often sort of freely granted and freely implemented by the justice department. it does not include content of
the communications. >> martha: in terms of the approach which is a scorched earth, very aggressive approach that they are taking, why do you think that they are doing that? do you think it is wise? >> i do not think it is wise, but clearly it is a change in strategy. ty cobb was known to be somebody who wanted to try to thread the needle and see if they could narrow the category, sit down the president and get this over with. i do not see the end game, because if they force a subpoena and it is challenge, i think that mueller will win. they can narrow the subject to narrow the time, but at the end of the day, the case law favors mueller. the biggest danger is if he forces the president into a grand jury, he goes in there without counsel. and that is a significant danger for the president. >> martha: jonathan turley, thank you, it is always good to see you. coming up next from borough hogs to blank stares, president trump eating with angela merkel, not exactly playing out like the
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>> and then i will faithfully discharge. >> then i will faithfully discharge. >> the duty the office of which i am about to enter prey to speak duty of which i am about to enter. >> so help me god. >> so help me god. >> martha: a historic moment, nearly a year in the making for u.s. ambassador to germany. we have one now, richard grenell who has his work cut out for them after president trump said last week that he does not think that all of the european countries are paying their fair share to nato including germany. >> we need a reciprocal relationship that we do not have. we discussed it at length and we are working on it. we want to make it more fair.
the same thing with nato. >> martha: talking trade and nato, the first interview since being sworn in, u.s. ambassador to germany, richard grenell, do you like that handle? >> it sounds very pleased, just call me rick. >> martha: tell me what that was like today, we said in the intro, it took forever and was held up in the senate for months and months and months. >> look, i am humbled and honored, it is amazing paid one of the reasons why i got really focused on candidate donald trump and mike pence and the ticket and to really try to push forward was simply because they askew politics and they are really focused on the american people and the american taxpayer in particular. and what i saw last friday when i was sitting in on the meeting watching president trump negotiate with chancellor angela merkel was a culmination of 25 years working in the
industry, i have long to work fa president who really focuses on the taxpayer. this is a guy who is incredibly good at the negotiations, i wish that every american could see him do it, because he is completely relentless about the american taxpayer. and he does it in a very nice way. he is actually very complimentary to the other side. it is really the art of the deal, it is quite amazing. >> martha: it is fascinating to hear you say that, he worked for a number of administrations, you are at the united nations for a long time. and i know that you were frustrated by what he saw, what is president trump like with angela merkel? not to betray anything from behind closed doors, but in terms of how he, because everybody thinks that they do not have a great relationship, but you are talking about the way that he is able to suppress diplomatically. >> he was extremely, monterey to chancellor angela merkel, and what she has accomplished, he does it in a way that is real,
you have to understand that when you are watching two people negotiate, two officials, what i usually see is that a u.s. official makes a plea to the other side to come along to our side and do what we want, because it is the right thing to do or we make this a moral about this is what we believe that the world looks like or this is what we should do. and i think that it does not work that way, the other side rings in their economy and the trade issues, and the integrate the issues into a negotiation. president trump is the first u.s. official that i have seen that actually pulls in every piece of the agricultural department. >> martha: with the southern border, going to be about nato, they do not have security, it's going to hurt you there. he is joining the economic issue with the diplomatic issue in a way that i think is completely unprecedented. and you have seen that from the front row. the iran deal, it is largely believe that he is not going to recertify this on may 12th. so you're going to be in a
situation where you are going to have two approach that discussion with chancellor angela merkel, do you think there is room for european countries to renegotiate the de? >> let me tell you where there is room for german companies to stop doing business inside iran, we cannot have that. you look at what iran does, their human rights record, whether it is working to destabilize syria. the world importer of terrorism. they are a state sponsor of terrorism, they spend billions of dollars to spread terrorism around the world. why would a country want to do business with them? so i think that it is going to be incumbent upon me into that kind of explained to german businesses that they do not want to do business inside iran, it is just not right. >> martha: what about trade, you heard the president and that sound bite, he wants to be have
a reciprocal agreement, doing it with every single country, how was i going to work? >> it can work, when it comes to germany, the largest economy in europe. they are eager to have a working trade relationship with the united states. as president trump says it needs to be free and fair, and that's what you're going to work towards. >> martha: ambassador to germany, the 29th, did they say? >> the 29th. >> martha: 29th ambassador to germany. thank you, best of luck. coming up, a catholic chaplain working on capitol hill, always a chaplain on capitol hill says that he was forced to step down by paul ryan. but then today the priest says, you know what, i am leaving. so what happens next? and capitalism is what makes america great, but hillary clinton says it has not worked so well for a democrat on the campaign trail. here to explain. >> you may be the only presidential candidate since world war ii that actually had
election, russia, comey, the dnc, president obama, sexism, all of those have shared some of the blame, but now she says that being a capitalist also was a knock against her. >> the only presidential candidate since world war ii that had to stand up and say that i am a capitalist. and you did, but did it hurt you? >> probably, it is hard to know. but if you are in the iowa caucus and 40% of democrats are socialists or write socialists, and i'm asked if you are a capital s and i say yes, with the appropriate regulation and appropriate accountability, that probably gets lost, oh, my gosh, she is a capitalist. >> martha: joining me now, america enterprise chief scholar, juan williams, cohost of "the five" and a political analyst, good to see you tonight.
juan, in the democratic party is it a knock against you to be a capitalist? >> the key point is that there are more democrats that identify as socialists. you do not see socialism as a threat. and i think that this is in part to tied into bernie sanders. i think that sanders was very clear and continues on the idea for example of guaranteed to jobs for all americans. and that has surprising support, a pollster has nearly half of the american saying that that is a good idea. similarly i think support of things like more people being put on medicare, and expansion of obamacare, appealing to people in a way, and i think that bernie sanders has a populist mode more than a socialist mode, appealing to people who feel as a result of income and equality that they want the government to provide -- >> martha: does that bother you? that your party is moving that way? >> it is not the party so much, because i do not think that you see it among the leadership, but you do see it among young people
at the heart of the democratic party. speed >> martha: i looked at a graph today and most of the candidates fell between bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. what you think? >> if i was a democrat i would be terrified by that. first of all, she lost to a capitalist, probably the biggest ever to be elected president, so being a capitalist is not incompatible with being elected president of the united states. maybe she would be president right now. and capitalism is still in this country of majoritarian value. it is not hard to defend it. she cannot defend it, you do not call it capitalism, you call it free enterprise, and second of all it is very simple to defend. in the last 40 years there have been an 80% reduction in the worst poverty in the world which coincided with the climb of socialism and the rise of democratic capitalism. capitalism is free enterprise the system that has reduced poverty and human history, of
course we support capitalism. we do not support crony capitalism which is what hillary clinton and bill clinton practice, because they both have hundreds of billions of dollars and never produced anything in their lives. i am against that kind of capitalism. those are free enterprises. >> it is interesting to me that i think that bernie sanders and donald trump supporters have a lot in common. >> martha: not capitalism. go ahead. >> but if you look at trade and the idea of tariffs, i think that you see both bernie supporters and donald trump supporters saying that the little guy in america has been hit hard by these trade deals, we do not like it. we are not for unvarnished, unleashed capitalism, we think that government should protect us. >> martha: how? how protected you want to be? not going to be covered, you know? >> i think that he was
suggesting that it is just a democrats and that no trump supporters will be -- >> but they voted for donald trump instead of hillary for that reason, nobody is talking about the monopoly guy with the monocle, the symbol of what america represents, we are talking about the free enterprise system that allows conservatives against a big business, we are for small business, free enterprise that has produced more jobs and prosperity in human history. >> martha: i want one more question, half a minute, what you think about this chaplain issue on the hill? the catholic chaplain fished out, now paul ryan says, he can stay and we will meet next week and talk. >> i'm not sure, it's not the job to go up and give a prayer on the floor that favors or puts his finger on legislation one way or another, that is what it seems to have happen, but it is up to paul ryan of who is the
catholic chaplain of the house of representatives, and if you want a new one, that is his prerogative. >> martha: the only one who has been pushed out. >> and he is a catholic and said very clearly that the tax cut should help everyone. i guess paul did not like it. but the political backlash thinking it is too strong, that's why he still is going to do it for return. >> martha: do not mess with the chaplain, that is the message. coming up next, why investigators are ordering jill stein, remember her? to hand over the documents with russia involvement in her campaign. she handed over some, but some she is not going to disclose. no transparency, she joins us and asked to explain why. and imagine finding out that someone he worked with for years had a secret life as a serial killer. the police officer who served alongside the golden state killer, he had him in his home with his wife and his children and he is next. >> working with a serial killer, that, i mean, i guess that i am
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>> martha: the suspected golden state killer was back in a courtroom today. a judge ruled that prosecutors can collect dna and fingerprints from joseph d'angelo who is believed to be behind at least a dozen killings and more than 50 rapes during the '70 is in '80 is paid he was tracked down in part by detectives who used genealogy websites like ancestry and 23, i do not know which one it was, but has a lot of people wondering what exactly you give up when you spit and send your dna to those sites, something to think about, america, we will talk about that another night, but my next guest is retired
exeter california police sergeant ward, working side-by-side alongside the alleged serial killer for three years, welcome, good to have you here tonight. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> martha: i cannot even imagine, i heard that you never suspected him of anything like this, what was it like when you saw his picture and realized how close you had been to him all those years? >> i was devastated. i just could not believe that one of our guys could do something like that. >> martha: tell me what he was like or what he is like. >> pardon? >> martha: tell me what he is like and what he was like then that led you to not suspect anything that all? >> well, he was a nice guy. but he just off kind of by himself. he was educated kind of person,
but he did not have any common sense. he liked to joke around, play around, or anything, he just kind of was a standoffish type of guy. >> martha: you say that he was around you and around to your family, what is it like when you hear about these murders and these rapes and you realize that it could've happened to anyone of you? >> yes, it very much could have. i had him in my house, we drink tea, he has even had dinner with me. because when we worked together, the person who lives out of tow town, i would usually invite them to my house because my wife cooked every night. i would have one of the guys come have dinner with me at nighttime. so i had my wife and my daughter there. and i never thought for a moment that something like this would happen. >> martha: is there anything looking back, pharaoh, that you
think about when you think about things that he said or did thato maybe shed some light on what was going on? >> there was nothing. i could not believe it when i saw him on tv, but there was no indication whatsoever that this guy had any dark side to him whatsoever. he was just another policeman. just like any of the other guys. >> martha: during that period did you talk about the killer that was on the loose with him? >> well, yeah, we talked about the killer when he killed the college professor. he tried to kidnap his 14-year-old daughter and to the came into the room to help his daughter and he was shot dead right there.
>> martha: and you talk to him about the crime at the time? >> yes. >> martha: what was his reaction? >> not just him. he just did not know who the sick guy was that would do something like that just like the other policeman said that we talked about. different things, and i said they investigated it and he answered in. and then the next week the police department saw guys in different neighborhoods, the police officer drop them off in different parts of the city. and at night, that was a policeman that found him in the backyard. and they teach us in our training to hold your flashlight away from your body. so he was holding out his flashlight and to this guy shot directly into his flashlight and just blew it all apart. and luckily it did not kill the
police officer. and this guy just jumped directly over the fence, 6-foot fence he disappeared. and at the time i was a k-9 officer, so if i see a police dog help me out to a search of the residential area and the backyard. and we could not locate the guy anywhere. he was gone. >> martha: wow, thank you for sharing your story. we are glad that he is finally in custody. it is an amazing story that you tell. thank you, sir. >> thank you, for having me. >> martha: our pleasure. coming up next on "the story," jill stein on why she is refusing to comply completely with senate investigators who are looking into russian involvement in her campaign. >> it is not like there is some special golden goose that we are protecting here or some vulnerable conversation.
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same senate intel committee that is doing the entire russia investigation. she is here exclusively to explain why moments. but trace gallagher and the west coast newsroom with the back story. >> hi, martha, the senate committee is asking jill stein for documents in six different categories pertaining to the russian interference in the 2016 election. she has submitted material four categories including information about her 2014 trip to moscow where she was photographed with vladimir putin and national security advisor michael flynn. the intel committee also wanted communications between the stein campaign and former british spy christopher steele who authored the steel dossier which is filled with salacious but unverified information about donald trump's ties to the kremlin. the lawyer says that today have no documents related to the steele dossier, but to refusing to hand over documents involving her communications with russian
persons or communications related to her campaign's policy discussions about russia. she told cnn that it is not like she is protecting some "golden goose." >> we are standing up on principle, that is the principle that is part of the first amendment, our right to basically freedom of associatio association, and that needs to be protected. >> critics point out that this is the same woman who in december of 2016 pushed for a vote recounts in pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin and protested in front of trump tower. accusing the president-elect of obstructing the legal process to ensure that we have a voting system that we can trust. >> here today to stand up for exactly that, for a vote that is accurate, secure, and fair and just in which every vote counts and every vote is counted.
this in fact is what makes america great. >> trump called the recount a jill stein scam to raise money and she did raise a reported $7 million. fox news has reported that $1 million of that went to consultants, staff, and administrative costs. jill stein claims every dollar went towards cost associated with the recounts. >> martha: thank you very much. joining me now exclusively jill stein, former green party presidential candidate. welcome. good to have you with us tonight. >> it's great to be with you, martha. >> martha: the first question is in the era where we are investigating everything russia, you said you have turned over four of the categories that they asked asked you for, why not be fully transparent and hand over everything that you have if you have nothing to fear? >> writes, we are not using the fifth amendment. when you take the fifth is because you have something that could be used to incriminate
you, something that exposes guilt, there is none of that here. we are turning over everything relevant to the question of russian interference. that is all communications with russian government, russian media, russian business, although we have no communications of russian business. we have opposition research and fusion gps and all of that, wikileaks, no communications there. >> martha: what are you not turning over? >> the only thing we are not turning over is what the constitution says the government should never ask of us. so our founders were very smart and they set up an amendment that is the civil liberties and they said government cannot intrude. >> martha: are they personal friends of yours? is it personal evil or somatic - emails? >> the point that we are making is that there is no way to know who has russian background and furthermore, it was like we do
not want to get in a situation like before the second world war where went through everybody's japanese background, we do not want to criminalize people. >> martha: with the request was undefined and overbroad, which i think are words that the people who are under investigation on the trump side will be very sympathetic too. they feel very much the same way. and you saw the picture. you were added to that dinner with michael flynn and vladimir putin. he got embroiled in this investigation in part because he went over there and he was seen to be part of that dinner. you are not paid? >> he was paid. no, and i was offered to have my expenses covered, and we did not want anything that would create obligations. >> martha: you said that it was a nothing dinner. that michael flynn and vladimir putin exchanged for words the whole time, are you sd that he is under so much scrutiny for what appeared to be these passing
meetings that you witnessed? does it amaze you that he is still waiting to be sentenced? >> certainly there was nothing that happened that i was witness to at the dinner table. there was no conversation between the russians and those who did not speak russian, the russians only spoke russian and nobody was introduced. nobody knew who anybody was. at least i did not. there was nothing incriminating there. but on the other hand, i think that michael flynn was paid, but also paid a hold out more from turkey and acting as a lobbyist. and disguising that fact, so there is a whole another set of circumstances, but from what i was able to witness it was a nothing burger dinner. i was there for a long time. >> martha: as an incoming official to a new official coming as every right to have a discussion with the ambassador. it sounds like you agree. thank you. i have to run. we will be right back.
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