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the dedication and sacrifice you made on behalf of our country each and every day. >> laura: as we approach mother's day, let us not forget the heroes at home. shannon bream? ♪ >> shannon: this will be an action-packed show as we await the arrival of three american hostages who are imprisoned in north korea. we are tracking brand-new secretary of state mike pompeo's imminent return to america with those three dd needs, plus a place and a date set for president trump to meet the kim jong un played a big day on capitol hill as controversial cia nominee director jean hospital was slammed about torture brad will she be confirmed? more reaction coming up. senator barrasso has just been to dinner at the white house to discuss north korea and he joins us live with the inside scoop. also by selling presidential historian jon meacham is here to weigh in on the drum era during
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the foreign policy week. hello and welcome to "fox news @ night." i'm shannon bream in washington. we are awaiting the arrival of three americans who are imprisoned in north korea. successfully secured by president trump's new secretary of state mike pompeo, the freed hostages expressing deep appreciation for the trump administration saying america is the greatest country in the world. these images for moments ago, they will touch down not long from now. the president and vice president standing by to greet them. we have team coverage tonight. we'll see developments. chief national correspondent ed henry will take a look at former president obama's legacy and what president trump is doing to dismantle it. plus lauren blanchard is live at the state department with details of pompeo's diplomatic efforts. what he did to get those hostages home. we begin with kristin fisher at the white house for us tonight. good evening. >> while it's difficult to overstate how big of a win this is for president trump, this is
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one accomplishment that no one can criticize him for up, no one can take away from him, and as a part of is proof that his campaign of maximum pressure on north korea is working. in around three hours, president trump will be leaving here, heading for a joint base andrews, joined by the vice president, national security advisor john bolton, and the first lady, as all four of them are there to welcome these three newly freed americans. >> nobody thought this was going to happen and if it did, it would be years or decades, frankly. nobody thought this was going to happen. and i appreciate kim jong un doing this and allowing them to go. >> the three americans appeared to be in good health. they were able to walk on the plane without assistance, a big deal because remember, the last american to be freed by the north koreans under president trump's lock was otto warmbier, who were turned in a coma and died a few days later
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after landing home on american soil. for republicans like colorado senator cory gardner, he believes the difference an outcome can be attributed to one thing, that is the president's tough talk, tough tweets, and all those tough sanctions. >> what has happened differently since that action, since that tragic death is the application of maximum pressure. the only reason this is happening is because president trump leaves and the maximum pressure doctrine. this wouldn't have happened under the strategic strategic s doctor in. >> senator gardner is 1 of 6 republican lawmakers who had dinner with the president tonight. shortly before, senator gardner after the focus would be what next in north korea, how do we get the denuclearization of the korean peninsula and if we get there, how do we verify it. today the white house said it for you to this prisoner release as a gesture of goodwill but the overall goal remains the same. >> the president views this as a
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positive gesture and a step in the right direction from the north korean leader. however, total denuclearization will remain the top priority. >> the big question is, when and where will this big semite between president trump and north korean leader kim jong un take place. today, the president shot down the dn.mike dmz a possible option. nowadays singapore in early june. the president said he is planning on announcing that exact location and date sometime within three days but tonight, shannon, the entire focus is on my well-being and welcome home of these three americans, tonight, for the first time, and almost a decade, there are no american citizens being detained in north korea. >> shannon: that is good news for everyone. thank you very much. the plates are on route, we are tracking their arrival. let's turn to lauren blanchard liber the statement with details, more we are learning about mike pompeo and his demonic efforts to get this
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done. >> good evening. in just a few hours, president trump is expected to greet these americans as they return home. first let's take a look at their journey across the world. first they flew from pyongyang, north korea, to japan. from there, the government plane flew to anchorage, alaska, to refuel. they were scheduled to arrive in the middle of the night at joint base andrews here in the washington area, likely just before 3:00 a.m. the president said he will personally greet the flight when they land. one plane is caring for secretary of state mike pompeo, who was able to secure the release of the three men and says he is "thrilled." the larger plane are less caring the three prisoners. here's what we know about the three americans, tony kim, kim hak song, both working at the pyongyang university of science and technology when they were arrested in the spring of 2017. kim dong chul, arrested in 2016,
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he had been sentenced to ten years of hard labor. they had been jailed by north korea for antistate activities and so called hostile acts. we are told the now freed prisoners were well enough to walk onto the plane without assistance. the state department releasing this statement from the men, "we would like to express our deep appreciation for the united states government, president trump, secretary pompeo, the people of united states for bringing us on. we thank god and the families and friends who prayed for us and our return. god bless america, the greatest nation in the world." the release of the three americans, no small feat for the newly confirmed secretary pompeo, a newly released photo confirm north korean state tv, showing smiles during the 90 minute meeting with north korean dictator kim jong un. they talked about the upcoming summit with president trump. time, date, location of that summit has been set, details not
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out there. there was uncertainty if the release was even going to happen. secretary pompeo flashed across fingers to reporters before the announcement and misty came from the north koreans. they stressed there was a hard decision for kim to release them, and president trump is expressing gratitude for this gesture of goodwill. new found warmth between the u.s. and the north koreans. just a few months ago, very high tension as the north koreans were not only threatening military bases, u.s. military bases and territories around the world, but they were also threatening the mainland. shannon? >> shannon: lauren blanchard liber the state of armored. we will check back in with you as part of the extended coverage tonight as we await the arrival's. breaking, israel said iranian backed forces in syria have fired missiles into the golan heights area targeting the israeli military. a live report from jerusalem. first, chief national
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correspondent at henry digging into president obama's legacy and president trump's latest efforts to dismantle it. >> after the president pulled out of the iran nuclear deal yesterday, a lot of chatter from democrats criticizing him, saying this is going to hurt america's image around the world, his national security advisor john bolton was out today saying just the opposite, they believe it was strange in their hand heading into the north korean peace negotiations. as we go through the list on the foreign policy stage, also domestically, there has been a seismic shift on a whole series of issues. starting with iran as i noted just yesterday. the president pulling out of the nuclear deal. in large part, he was able to do that because president obama failed to codify it into law or a treaty that would be voted on by the senate, executive action that president trump was able to undo. then you have tpp, transpositioc partnership.
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the president pulling the u.s. out of that, saying he will focus on trade deals with individual nations that he thinks will be better for the u.s. then the keystone pipeline, as well as the arctic national wildlife refuge in alaska. that was included, opening that up to oil and gas experts, something that had not been done by many republican and democratic administrations. the paris climate reading, pulling out of that, another move the president did because again, barack obama had just done it and an executive way basically. individual mandate, torn out, also included in the tax cut bill, a major victory for president trump in terms of health care, making sure people will not have to pay that penalty if they don't center for health care. the transgender man in the military, again, reversing obama policies. the other big one to keep an ion is daca. this again is something that barack obama did in his reelection year in 2012 on an executive basis, did not codify it into law.
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that gives president trump the ability to rip it up if he wants to, he signals he will will not renew daca but will ask congress to act. they have not act-80. one of those moves hanging out there. >> shannon: ed henry, thank you very much. when we wrap up "fox news @ night" at 1:00 eastern, be sure to join ed henry for the overnight hours of coverage as we await the arrival of secretary pompeo and his hostage is just read from north korea. as we look ahead to the negotiations between president trump and kim jong un, well assented to play any role, ratifying a treaty? something that did not happen with the iran nuclear deal. the next gas was at the white house minutes ago discussing north korea. senator john barrasso joins us live. great to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> shannon: what can you tell us about what you discussed at dinner? speak of the president was very positive, upbeat, confidence, it was really good to be with him, he
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was optimistic. we were congratulating him on the great new set of north korea with mike pompeo coming back -- mike pompeo was supposed to be at the dinner, and then he got called to north korea so he wasn't able to join us. the president obviously is happy to see these three american citizens home tonight. the president is heading out to the airport to greet them. we talk about a host of things, certainly north korea being top of the list, the sanctions made a big difference, north korea -- the president's eyes are wide open on those. i am still skeptical about what can happen. we have a long history of north korea behaving badly. if we are going to be able to give the nuclear weapons out of north korea, in a way without military action, this is our best opportunity ever. this is really about peace and stability of the world, if we want to have statement security at home, we need a peaceful, stable world the. >> shannon: in all quarters, many troubled spots around the world, north korea being one of
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them. steny hoyer, congressman on the other side said, "releasing detainees is the easy part. the difficult part will be reaching an agreement with the north koreans that establishes a strong verification regime that can injure genuine denuclearization. congress has yet to see a concrete strategy for the president as to how we intend to avoid giving mr. kim a propaganda victory without securing the verifiable commitment on denuclearization necessary for any summit to be a success." that has been one of the critiques of the iran deal, the verification process did not satisfy the critics. how does he make sure to get it done? >> that is why it is so important for president trump to pull out of the iran deal, it's a bad deal. it did not accomplish what it was supposed to accomplish, it was not set up to do the things that we wanted to have done in terms of prevention of nuclear weapon, the money that went for terrorism, all of those things made a bad deal. by pulling out of that,
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president trump is telling north korea, i am willing to walk away from a bad deal. if it's not a good deal, i won't want any part of it. president obama never brought it to the senate, he brought it to the united nations before he brought it to the elected representatives of the united states. president trump will not make that same mistake. >> shannon: even those who want to see the iran deal preserved, admit that it's much easier for subsequent presidents to undo it. "obama loyalists knew all along the deal structured in 2015 as an agreement rather than a treaty could be swept away by the stroke of a pen. without enough votes to win said it gratification, it will be very difficult to dismantle once it was in place." that leads me to the question, and he talks that he would like a talk with iran, do they need to come to you for a vote as a senator? >> it's better if they do. the constitution is very clear.
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the first sentence of article two describes what has to happen assented verification, it is very clear that is the best way to do it. president obama couldn't get the votes for the deal because it was such a bad deal. it gave them lots of money, did not prevent nuclear weapons from being developed. i thought it paved the way for that weapon to be developed, allowed strategic missiles to be developed, all the things that were wrong about it. we know that iran with a nuclear weapon makes the world less safe, stable, less secure. the same thing with north korea and why the president is so focused on getting the nuclear weapons out of north korea because north korea with a nuclear weapon, and they have nuclear weapons, makes the world less safe, stable, and secure. >> shannon: he gets ready to head into the negotiations hot off the dinner discussing that. senator russell, thank you. >> the economy, doing so well, consumer confidence, unemployment at an all-time 17 year low because we cut the tax, got rid of the regulations, all
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the things that president trump promised to do, making it happen for a much better, stronger america first economy. >> shannon: more better thanks the pipeline. we all watch for that. thank you. we are checking in on the hostages progress toward joint base andrews frequently come alive all night here on fox news. ed henry will pick up garbage in a couple of hours. stay with us. president trump's pick to lead the cia, facing a tough senate hearing. democrats questioning her credentials and moral compass. she is not backing down without a fight. >> i think we did extraordinary work. to me, the tragedy is that the controversy surrounding the interrogation program, i fully understand that, but it has cast a shadow over what has been a major contribution to protecting this country. >> shannon: catherine herridge joins us with that. she will have a difficult path forward toward confirmation. we will be joined by a guest who knows her very well, he worked with her.
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illegal cia programs of the past then on her vision for the future of the cia. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge reports from capitol hill. >> at her confirmation hearing, the first woman nominated to be the cia, said the interrogation program the critics call torture is a thing of the past. >> my moral compass is strong, i would not allow the cia to undertake activities that i thought were immoral, even if it was technically legal. >> democrats repeatedly pressed for cia veteran who spent 32 years undercover on her role in the destruction of videotapes documenting the waterboarding of at least one of al qaeda operative. >> where you are an advocate for dates during the tapes? >> i absolutely was an advocate. if we could within, conforming to u.s. law, and if we could get policy concurrent to eliminate the security risks posed to our officers by those tapes. >> haspel et cetera supervisor made the call.
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speaker mr. rodriguez, the deputy director for operations, made it clear that he and he alone made the decision to destroy the tapes. >> haspel said multiple reviews found there was no legal requirement to get the videos because of the interrogations were transcribed and cia cables that are official record. some democrats were not satisfied. figure do you think that a transcript that says the detainee continued to scream or the detainee appeared to be drowning has the same gravity, the same reality as an actual video? >> for three years, the videotape issue lingered. haspel says caa officers were visible and at risk. >> the concern was an irresponsible leak of the officers faces to the world. >> stop resisting! >> demonstrators interrupted the interrogation a couple of times. >> i would like to have on the record whether you called for the program to be continued, which it sure sounds to me like
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your answer suggests. >> after 9/11, i did not look to go sit on the swiss desk. i stepped up, i was not on the sidelines. i was on the front lines in the cold war and i was on the front lines in the fight against al qaeda. >> president obama cia director john brennan was a senior manager with the interrogation program wasn't demented, and still got concern from democrats. by contrast, haspel was a junior employee. >> you and this president are being held to a double standard. >> if you have been nominated by president obama or hillary clinton nominated you, how many votes do you think you would have gotten? >> after the hearing, democratic senator joe manchin confirmed that he will now vote for haspel. senate majority whip john cornyn beliefs of the democrats will follow and haspel will be confirmed. republicans want to vote on the floor for a week of may 20th before the memorial day recess. shannon? >> shannon: thank you very much.
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despite senator joe manchin's support, haspel went head-to-head with a number of democratic senators, many still resistant to her nomination. that's good reaction from daniel hoffman, also a former cia station chief and you know gina haspel well. what did you make of the hearing? >> i was there. gina is a friend. one of my former bosses. i think the world of her. i think she is the right person to lead the cia. i was disappointed in the hearing. there wasn't one question about terminating the iran nuclear deal, wasn't anything asked about north korea. the senators, democratic senators were focusing on something that was already litigated over a decade ago. assessing gina's moral compass based on her actions 14, 15 years ago was surprising to me because they have all been meeting with her for the past 15 months in her capacity as deputy director. she's been testifying on capitol hill, meeting with senators privately, they should be able to assess whether she has with the moral compass i know she has fed for the drop
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through that interaction. >> shannon: she was asked whether she would disavow the practice of the past, legal at the time when she was overseeing those things. we hear from a g.o.p. senator, senator mccain, people know he was a prisoner of war, tortured himself, very different. he's had that experience. he spoke tonight in a statement saying, "i believe gina hospital is a patriot who loves our country and has devoted her professional life to her service and defense. however, her role in overseeing the use of torture by americans is disturbing, her refusal to acknowledge torture's immorality is disqualifying." >> you know, i think very highly of senator mccain, i do not begrudge him his views. i would highlight at least in my view, the means, the methods, results of the cia program, should not be equated with what senator mccain was subjected to in vietnam. that was torture. i've seen torture in iraq.
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what the cia did was nothing of the sort. i think we really hurt the discussion, frame the discussion properly when we frame it that way as if it was torture of the sort that we see other places. the other issue i don't think some senators on the democratic side are willing to admit is that our program worked. the intelligence be obtained helped us to locate and ultimately kill usama bin laden. among other al qaeda operatives. >> shannon: we've seen at the obama justice department, two or three federal judges have the same thing. if you obtain life-saving intelligence, because of those practices. i wanted to ask about another thing, to the issue of russia come up? that is something that haspel is very familiar with. >> she absolutely is. she's one of the great subject matter experts on russia, i can think of a better person right now to be the director. with her background and knowledge of the language, and r
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regions. >> shannon: such a hot topic on the hill, were you surprised she did not to question? >> this was a hearing for the american people. there's a classified hearing for the senators. this was the opportunity for the senators to ask ms. shannon about the most important issues of the day, and of russia is one of those issues, and i believe it is, and i think when mitt romney was a candidate, he was vilified and called an old gold warrior for calling out pressure as a mere geopolitical threat. he was right. i was chagrined the democratic senators couldn't spend more time on russia and the meddling that they did in the electoral process and the threat they pose to us, including in syria, among other places around the world a little less time on really relitigating stuff. >> shannon: especially considering the committee looked into that. daniel hoffman, thank you for our your service and for joining us. stormy daniels' attorney, michael avenatti, released
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he is 100% confident the information is accurate, though tonight that statement appears to be inaccurate. certainly some other transfers laid out by avenatti did happen, the drug company novartis and at&t have both acknowledged paying michael cohen for insight into how the administration would operate. so, too, did columbus nova, american firm's biggest client is controlled by russian billionaire. michael avenatti alleges the payment from columbus nova was actually made by him, the company flatly denies it, quoting "reports of using columbus nova as a conduit for payment to michael cohen are false. neither victor nor anyone else outside of columbus nova was involved in the decision to hire cohen or provided funding for his engagement. we should note, he and at&t were both questioned by special counsel robert mueller regarding those payments. but michael avenatti also speculates the money from columbus nova was to reimburse
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the $130,000 of hush money paid to stormy daniels. though avenatti has no documents to back up his claim. it turns out two other alleged fraudulent payments laid out by avenatti were cases of mistaken identity. they were reportedly paid to michael cohen's s, but not the e who represents the president. where did he get his information, correct and incorrect? business insider said it is likely it came from sars, says bitzer's activity reports, filed by pinks and casinos with the treasury department, like transactions over $10,000. we've confirmed the inspector general for the treasury department is looking into how these documents got out. attorney and writer andrew mccarthy has an idea. >> if tig from the treasury department is opening an investigation, that's a pretty good sign that they think it came from the government.
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>> here's the white house on whether michael cohen may have been peddling access to the president. >> is the president concerned that major corporations were giving money to somebody very close to him at a time when they had business before the federal government? >> i haven't heard the president express any specific concerns. >> certainly, victor vekselberg did not gain favor. he was among the russian oligarchs that were sanctioned by the trump administration trump administration. shannon? >> shannon: trace gallagher in los angeles. thank you very much. time for the real news roundup. "the new york times" running a story questioning secretary of state mike pompeo's whereabouts during president trump's announcement yesterday that he's scrapping the iran nuclear deal. the headline, "at a key moment, trumps key diplomat is again thousands of miles away." they claim state employees were "speechless" when asked why he did not delay the dramatic
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mention by a day admitted at the dash as they put it, -- the meeting with kim jong un and securing the release of the hostages now on their way home. president trump tweeting late last night, or late tonight... that report coming in today's white house briefing, came up again where press secretary sarah sanders makes it up with reporters over a presidential tweet about media bias. "the fake news is working overtime. just reported that despite the tremendous success we are having with the economy and all things else, 91% of the network news about me is negative. fake. why do we work so hard and working with the media when it is corrupt? take away credentials? ">> we are here, taking questions, we are doing everything we can to provide regular and constant information to the american people.
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>> shannon: this is a fox news alert break your sing live images from joint base andrews just outside the d.c. area where the president and vice president will be standing by to grade three freed american hostages home fresh from north korea. they are expected to touch down shortly. we are tracking that flight. it looks like they have fire trucks out there. you can see the aerials, huge american flag welcoming them home as they are back on u.s. soil shortly. we are tracking them. breaking tonight, israeli defense force essay iranian forces have hired about 20 rockets from syria into the golan heights area. the target reportedly the israeli military. benjamin hall is live in jerusalem with details.
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hello, benjamin. >> hi, shannon. sources say just after midnight in israel, iran fired as you say 20 rockets from inside syria into the golan heights in the north of this country. if that is true, that is the first time iran has taken such trash current against syria from inside -- rather against israel, from inside using rockets. according to the israeli defense forces, number of rockets were intercepted but not all of them. a military spokesman blamed iran's foreign force for the attack. no casualties have been reported. a pro-syrian tv station has claimed that over 50 rockets were in fact fired into the golan heights and says that they were targeting israeli troops and bases in the area. yesterday there was a rare strike near damascus, but tonight the syrian capital was cited to shake with the sound of explosions. reports suggest israeli planes were targeting radar and air defense systems and retaliation.
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sarah sanders has earlier today that a bronze attack shows president trump was right. >> it further shows the iranian regime cannot be trusted. israel has a sovereign right to defend itself. >> israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, currently visiting vladimir putin in moscow, has already said he will not allow iran to develop a permanent military presence in syria. he told putin yesterday that israel had a right to defend itself. meanwhile, iranian politicians have been burning american flags in parliament, screaming "death to america" in response to the u.s. leaving the iran deal. iran has also said it's preparing to restart uranium enrichment if the deal collapses. in response, saudi arabia has warned that if iran pursued a bomb, so what they. in better news, we are only a few days away from the opening of the new u.s. embassy in jerusalem, and so grateful our israelis that they have named a square, the u.s. square in honor of president donald trump.
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a lot of things happening at the moment to pray that big one, that iran launched rockets into northern israel. israel has retaliated, so we wait to see whether that escalates or whether that is that for the moment. shannon? >> shannon: benjamin hall live in jerusalem. thank you very much. 18 republicans are pushing for president trump to get the nobel peace prize for his efforts on the korean peninsula. there is a debate underway on capitol hill over whether resident trump should get any credit for bringing home the three american hostages. looking live as we await their arrival. as we have been reporting, they are on their way, set to arrive soon. we are tracking them and will take you there when it happens. >> the only reason this is happening is because president trump believes in the maximum pressure doctrine. this would not have happened under strategic patient's doctrine. >> i want the american citizens to come home. but i look at the deal with north korea, it seems to me that
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all of what started with president trump, started with president moon. >> >> shannon: what does he thik about the emerging trump doctrine? jon meacham joins us. great to have you with us tonight. >> thanks, shannon. >> shannon: everyone is looking around to see who should and shouldn't get credit, and in addition the fact that kim jong nam has been reaching out to south korea, china, now sitting down with president trump. as that comes together, it is not happened yet, if it does, in the scope of presidential history, how historic is that? >> it depends on what emerges out of the talks. it is certainly progress. it is about engagement. the doctrine of engagement, trying to figure out whether we can strike the deal that will bring stability and peace to that part of the world is essential. the world has never been smalle
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smaller. we are living and one where there are nine members of a nuclear club, all of whom have the capacity to inflict unthinkable, unimaginable damage, and so unquestionably it seems that the american interest is to try to bring stability and try to contain as much as possible a dictator who we don't know simply whether he is a rational actor or not. >> shannon: are never a dull black number of administrations have tried and failed. things that look like they were going to be successful, ultimately north korea was not an honest participant in much of that. i want to redo something for "the washington post," "would kim have moved toward negotiations regardless who was president? we'll never know. there is no denying that trump's confrontational approach created an opportunity for crisis diplomacy and that he was bold enough to embrace kim's offer of direct talks." what do you make of that characterization of how we got
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here? >> it seems right to me. sometimes as jim baker, the former the former secretary of state said, if it? a duck and walks like a duck, it is a duck. we are having a level of negotiation that we have struggled for. the nature of the presidency historically is you can get credit for good things that happen on your watch, even if you do not have a whole lot to do with them, you get a lot of blame historically for things that go wrong on your watch. over what you have very little control. that is the nature of the job. woodrow wilson once said the nature of the presidency was it allowed a man to be as big as he could. we've also seen in our history and a lot of people are worried today that the president can also be as small as he might be. this doctrine, this idea of offering a threat, maximum pressure, is the phrase, if it works, then historians will look back and say, having someone with a kind of bluster who then
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followed it up with careful diplomacy was a winning formula. we don't know yet. >> shannon: one of the key players in these discussions has been china. a lot of people think china is the key actor in moving this thing forward. there have been scores of u.n. resolutions and sanctions. it seems something different is happening this time around with china and the last few months. there have been skirting about sanctions. in some cases, a tougher applications by china. how much are they get the credit? >> i don't think we can apportion it until we know more. i think what is unquestionable is the story of korea, the korean peninsula, and of its implication for us, the story that goes back to the late 1940s. the entire drama is also a reminder of how important it is that while elections do have consequences, the country does have commitments. the peninsula has been the home of u.s. troops for 68 years or
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70 years or so. we are talking about nearly three quarters of a century of rejection of force. in an attempt to create a stable comp.my country in the south and one might hope they will be worse arm in the dash reform in the north. china doesn't not want korean refugees or a nuclear war. all of those, the iran news, the korean hostages coming back, detainees coming back, and the talks with north korea remind us of how important all of this is. this is about nuclear proliferation. it is arguably the most fundamental foreign policy story since 1945. democrats and republicans have both approached it in different ways throughout the years. i think we hope for the best and we prepare for the worst. >> shannon: always a good idea. jon meacham, thank you for joining us. congrats on the new book. it was not long ago that some of
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>> shannon: remember rocket man? you will remember this was preceded by plenty of talk talk by the president. back then, experts predicted disaster. >> we are closer in my view to a nuclear war with north korea and in that region then we have ever been. >> we are probably closer to an outright war with north korea then we have been in a very long time. >> he can easily construe what he has been saying as a declaration or a threat of war. >> i think we should be concerned that this escalatory rhetoric between the leaders of two countries that have nuclear weapons is slipping very quickly into something that could become very dangerous for the planet the planet. >> shannon: talk about what's tonight's panel. leslie marshall, fox news contributor. larry o'connor, radio host in washington, d.c. welcome to both of you.
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>> hi. >> shannon: larry, this thing is far from over. the first president has not san with kim jong un yet. are they wrong? speak it was premature. tonight is an optimistic night frankly with the release of these three americans. forget about trust but verify when it comes north korea. we should distrust, verify, confirm, and reverify, and reconfirm. we have been burned for decades. it is a remarkable thing to witness that montage, it's no telling, so much of the smart set in washington, they get paid big bucks telling us what is going to happen. with the president is going to do. more importantly, what this president is going to fail at. maybe they should be a little circumspect. maybe they should look at their own failings, the fact they have not been able to get much done from korea in the time they were in power, and let's face it, they don't have a good track record when it comes to telling us how president trump will fai fail, from his campaign, winning the republican nomination, beating hillary clinton, so far they are better telling us what
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president trump will fail at. >> shannon: do you think it's any credit? when sending these credits over? >> it depends what happens. it is hard for me, and anyone else, regardless of ideology, to believe that an egotistical dictator who has lied to his people and brainwash his people and so did his father and grandfather, both of which by the way had promised to dismantle the nuclear weapons and did not, and we came close in '94 an '03. it is hard to trust, especially that he would have a 360-degree turn around in addition, not asking for america's troops to leave south korea. we should be celebrating tonight, obviously, any individual that is released in captivity for many country, regardless of who is a made administration. in this case, who was in the administration? that that is matter. those people, the fat lady has not signed yet.
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