tv The Next Revolution With Steve Hilton FOX News May 13, 2018 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
steve: the midterms are fewer than six months away, the economy is stronger, we're at virtually falling employment. why would anyone want to vote for change right now. >> great question, jake. perhaps you might want to ask your trump-hating colleagues at cnn, especially when you consider the week that president trump is having on the world stage. last week, standing up to iran, progress on north korea, hostages safely home and before that red lines enforced iforceda and finally challenging china after decades of surrender. welcome to the next revolution. i'm steve hilton.
tonight we debate the world according to trump as the president decisively overturns the failed consensus of the foreign policy elite. here with me live is dana peri perino. and live from jerusalem, pastor jeffers will be dliing th delive opening prayer. what really drove the movement that put donald trump in the white house. we're joined by the a authors of a new book that actually bothered to listen to the concerns of the trump voters and take them seriously in swatch watch, details on why europe is trying to keep the iran deal alive and you'll hear my take on michael cohen. not stormy but swampy. that's all ahead on tonight's packed show. sends us your thoughts as you watch the show. first, life to jerusalem.
pastor jeffers, thank you for joining us and being here with us tonight. i hear you've just been attending a very special dinner. tell us about that. >> steve, there is a palpable sense of excitement in the air that something historic is about to happen in just a few hours. and it really is. you know, 20 years ago, more than 20 years ago our united states congres jerusalem. every president since then, clinton, bush, obama said they were forit. but as prime minister netanyahu told a group last night, it took somebody with the courage and leadership of donald j. trump to pull it off. this is a huge win for president trump but it's more than that. this move is a victory for america, for israel and for the middle east peace process, i believe. steve: who has been fathering there? who have you been seeing and
talking to? what's the mood right now? >> well, there are just thousands op christians, evangelical christians who have come here because they understand the scriptural importance of this. i saw senator lindsey graham and senator ted cruz and congressmen here last night. the trump delegation came in last night, jared and ivan can are here. it's an assortment of people who are singularly excited abt excit what this president has been able to. steve: stand by. we appreciate it. when i was working at the heart of the establishment, it seemed to me that a good rule of thumb for the foreign policy was listen to what the elites have to say and do the opposite. it seems to be president trump's
approach as well. dana perino, i'm so excited to be here in you with new york. i've been wanting dana to join us here on "the next revolution" and now here she is. and ian bremer. dana, just looking at some of the multiple ways in which the president is just upending the consensus that's been around for so long, it seems to me that he's really making a ful fool of those people that said he was going to be completely incomfort tent when iincompetent when it o foreign policy. >> yes, okay. you had people who had been doing it for a long time. hillary clinton as the great example, he had pawls been secretary oalso beensecretary ot lady for two terms. it's not like she knew nothing about foreign policy. and i think it's exciting that when you see things that you thought were not possible, like
moving the embassy, the parade of horribles that people thought might happen just at the announcement, it didn't happen. then you can see the changes. there are other things that i think are exciting. certainly the north korea summit is exciting and i think we can be hopeful and probably be -- hope for the best and expect the worst just because we know who the north koreans are. and then with iran i think we'll see. i was probably one that was not a supporter of the obama deal, but what comes after this, especially with news today of president trump and president xi talking this morning and reversing course on one of the major chinese companies, been a terrible example of stealing american technology and now all of the sudden we're going to turn that around. and maybe there's a long term strategy for that. all this to say, very exciting but a long way to go to see what's going to happen. steve: you can't deny there's a
big change going on. seems to me there's a consistency to it. you can characterize the previous approach, the consensus that's been around the last few decades. when you've got tough actors, people causing trouble in various ways on the world stage, the right way to get them to behave is basically to appease them, work with them, be niez to them and then they'll change their ways. president trump seems to say that failed, you've got to stand up to these people. that's true on syria, iran and china as well. >> there's no question that if you thought that obama's foreign policy was a failure and you really wanted to show him that you were going to do something else, you are very happy this week with everything trump is accomplishing. on north korea threatening, bludgeoning, ripping up the iran deal, accepting jerusalem as the embassy. i mean getting out from tpp, getting out of paris. everything obama supporters have
wanted trump is saying i'm done with that. now here's a question. some of this is likely to be successful. if you're sitting at this table you're playing poker with the biggest stack of chips, you don't need to look at your cards, say i'm all in. a lot of people will fold to you. you'll get some wins. biggest problem is the most important allies in the world since world war ii is the europeans and they are as unhappy as can be with every single one of these trump policies. we may not care. the europeans, they're failing, in decline, you've got brexit. who cares about europe. but if we think we need them down to road, it would behoove us -- i would have wanted to give them time to say we hear the french president, the german chancellor. steve: it's not so much the europeans are failing or whatever. it's just that they're just wrong. they have the wrong policy.
a policy that failed. and so we've got to change it. by the way in swamp watch coming up, we'll give you some interesting information about why they're holding on. but today it was reported that in remtio relation to the iran , the president even quite close to the president that we were announcement, were trying to work with the allies to try and get the deal improved in important ways. and the bit that actually was the sticking point was not about ballistic missiles and whether we should do something about that, not about con training iran's behavior in the region. it was the core of it. the expiration, the sunset. surely the president was right to insist on that part of it. >> i believe that our negotiator from the united states got pretty close with them. thought they were going to be able to get there and ultimately were not able to change. i don't think the president was actually going -- he was not -- if they would have said the core
of the deal is gone, then we actually would be at the same place. so this idea that president trump is going to do something different i think is wrong. steve: just for fun, more than anything else, this reminds us how much the progress the president is clearly making in at least articulating and implementing an agenda, even if you don't agree with it. he's setting out a view and making it happen. in other words commanding the world stage in a way that a lot of people didn't think was possible. let's listen to some f these comments. >of thesecomments. >> donald trump tells us he is very, very smart. i'm afraid that when it comes to foreign policy, he is very very not smart. >> a man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons. >> i believe donald trump's foreign policies isolationism
will lead to another 9/11. steve: i mean all of these things that were said, it's not isolationism. it may not be exactly what people like that and the elites wanted, different than what they wanted, but you can't say. >> it's not isolationism. he made that clear when he was asked by "the new york times" on the trail, are you an isolationism, he said, no, no, no. are you america first, yes, i'm america first. responding to the "the new york times" question. he's believing we're the most powerful country in the world we're going to do what's in our best interest. it ears transactional, focused on powerballe power and it's gon results. we've got better deals when they could have taken us to the wto and probably could have won. and he will probably succeed as well in nafta. the problem that you have is that long term does that work. first of all with the china
that's actually more powerful than we are in certain areas and they have the ability to tell us no, no, no. we're seeing that on the backing where trump suddenly tweeted, we need to protect chinese jobs. i don't think anyone voted for trump to protect chinese jobs. a lot of people confused about that. do we need american allies long term. multibased multilateral institutions, many presidents on both sides have felt have served us well are actually constraints on american power. they don't bolster it. steve: i think there's an argtd argument that just disagrees without approach doesn't mean you're leaving and it doesn't mean you're not only putting america first but the stability in the world. you can actually have both, something in the interest of america and good for the world. i think that's what he's doing, don't you think? >> i certainly think that's what he thinks he's doing. there's actually no -- if you
look at the results so far, there's a lot out there and we're waiting to see all of the things that are going to come forward. if you had to make a call today, is it different. i also if you're a republican. the derision about elites and the establishment is sometimes hard for me to take because these are people who have hard supported conservative foreign policy. when it comes to somebody who wanted to see a return to more muscular foreign policy from a u.s. standpoint, you should be happy today. steve: we're going to talk a lot about the elites tonight. we have a guest specialize in that. we have one of the world's top globalists right here. that's next.
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and now you're tilling us it's a disaster. what happened? >> well, look, i grew up in the projects and i certainly have benefited enormously from the etiology of elites around the world saying if we just open borders, if we have free trade, free migration, if we send our troops all over the world to create stability, that's going to be good for all of us it's great for the globalists sitting around the table. it's not good for the average american or the average european. and for 40 years now they're saying that the establishment is lying to us, the left and the right. whether it's the corporate ceos or the bankers or political leaders, that is why you got donald trump, it's why yo goyou got brexit. the only country where you don't see this among the wealthy countries in the world is japan, no immigration, the population is shrinking, the working class is doing better and where their military is constitutionally forbidden from fighting anywhere. that'they're the one country tht
rejected globalism. as much as i can say sitting here in manhattan that i've benefited, it's not okay for me to say that globalism has succeeded. you have to look at what's happening around the developed world and recognize this isn't working. steve: just tell us what are the key elements. we throw these phrasings around all of the time. what are the simple elements of globalism. >> there's four. one is the idea that you have free trade and that's great for everyone. when in reality we know if the governments don't take care of the people that lose their jobs, even if the goods are cheaper, they feel they get screwed. secondly, open borders and people get in and we're going to do better as an economy. you don't take care of people at home, they're going the say, why have are you letting people in when i've been ignored. third, we have a big military, allies support us. we want to make sure whether it's afghanistan, syria, iraq,
vietnam, we're going to ensure stability. they fight over their failed wars, wit they come back, veters administration is broken. why are we doing it. and then finally the technology is going to make it better for everyone. we're displacing jobs faster than we have the globalization. and technology is ripping up the fabric of, you know, established democracies, making money on the back of advertising companies like facebook and google. so all of these four drivers that have led us to believe that we were going to be closer and that our societies would all support a globalist philosophy, one world, open borders, free trade, actually works really well for a very small number of people in these countries. and the average person says, i'm sick of it. i'm either so angry that the system is so rigged i'm not going to vote at all because no one i vote for is going to matter or i'm going to vote for people
that promises to break stuff steve: what do you make of that? >> i know ian. i read his work every monday when he puts out a newsletter and it's helped inform me about a lot of things. and one of the things that's interesting with, you talk aboue questions now. but the difference between globalization and globalism. can you explain the difference? >> globalization works, you open the borders with, free trade, and as a consequence goods are able to move efficiently, the price of the goods is cheaper and the labor moves to the places that are less expensive. that absolutely works. for the world. it's the best economic system. but if you don't take care of the people at home, because there are a lot of losers from globalization, even if it's the system that leads to the most global growth, even if our shareholder do well, america growth at the top level is good,
then the average american, we've had flat wages for working class americans for 40 years now. we have 3.9% employment. lowest it's been since 2000 and the wages are still -- steve: a huge point. we can keep the conversation going with the next guest. they brought this argument home as it were. they've been going around the country traveling. interviewing trump voter to find out what brought about the stunning 2016 election upset and they're here next. author of the new book "the great revolt." don't go away.
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27,000 miles, interviewed trump voters in ten swing counties to discover what was behind the historic 2016 election. joining me now, the coauthors of "the great revolt, reshaping america politics." good to see both of you. thank you for joining us and thank you for the book. an important contribution to our debate. what did you mainly learn? >> well, one of the most important things that i learned is that this is a very aspirational group of people. and their influence in our country go well beyond the ballot box. so you aren't just feeling the pressure from them in who people voted for in the election in 2016, but also you see influences in commerce, in how we spend our money and how we watch television and how we view things like sports. and they're a culture and a
coalition that is demanding respect from the people outside of main street where they live. and one of the most important things is, this is a coalition and a movement that is still -- we're still not hearing what it has to say. and i think that that is an important thing to consider when we're looking ahead, not just in politics, but in everything in our society. steve: brad, i just wanted to ask you whether, what you make of the arguments we've been hearing lately that actually despite what a lot of people assume, the trump vote and this movement was driven, this pop populous movement was driven by the economic, that actually it's a lot about culture and white men not liking the fact that women have jobs and minorities are getting their sway in the culture. we've seen that critique late
what do you make of that? >> that's an example of the elites on the coast and the elites in the media not getting it. they didn't get the outcome they expected, didn't get the outcome they wanted, so they have to attack the character and the motives of the people who deliver the outcome. donald trump was the cause of this, he was the result of it. it was a movement that has been coming for a long time and a populous movement impacting other industries. we don't have sears and r roe r, we go to amazon. that's the core of what this movement was. steve: you said there's more to come from this movement. explain that is ai a bit. what do yo do you mean by that ? >> i think this coalition stays together for a while. but as we were both saying, the impact is outside of the ballot box, too. look at the ratings in the nfl, their numbers have gone down
dramatically. they used to have the best brands in the country. now that brand is weakened. look at "rose anne." no one in hollywood would have predicted that that was going to happen. look at who drove those numbers. it wasn't the new york media market or the los angeles media market. it was tulsa, oklahoma, cincinnati, ohio, pirts purring, pennsylvania. new york and los angeles don't even make the top 20. that shows you that these people have more power in commerce than i think that people understand. steve: that's really interesting. brad, selena, thanks so much. i hope we can keep talking about this. dana vouches for the book, says it's really good. thank you for joining us. this was so much like sort of a domestic follow-up from the arguments you were making. what do you think about -- just
to go back to the question you asked ian about globalism, globalization. >> i was listening to selena, i don't know brad. i would love to. but selena, she's understated. she knew about this early on. she was trying to send signals to everybody saying, look, out here in america, let me tell you what's happening. and then she follows on to do this great book that i do recommend. what she's talking about in terms of being aspirational was very interesting to me. she said, we don't know what is going to end up. and i think that's true with a lot of things with president trump. for example, when he announced the pulling out of the iran deal. a lot of critics would say, okay, what's plan b. what are you going to do next? the answer is hold on a second. maybe he knows but maybe we'll have to wait a minute. let it marinate for a second. maybe you don't have to know everything immediately. and that might be an interesting
critique of the last 40 years or so that you try to make outcomes that have some certainty because people like certainty, companies like certainty, governments like certainty. and for the last three years we've had some uncertainty. and it stills makes people uncomfortable. but what they're saying about it being an aspirational movement was very interesting to me. steve: so different from the normal conversation about the trump vote. >> people should listen to her. she's really smart. steve: ian, i want to pick up on the question early, the different between globalism and globalization. can we have the benefits of globalization without the negatives of globalism? >> i think you certainly can. we're not necessarily on a path to do that right now. what you need to do is put the resources into making a difference for these people. i mean, it's not a magic wand. i mean if we are one of the
wealthiest countries in the world and see the education system, public k through 12 is at the bottom of the league tables for the advanced countries, that's not okay. you know our opioid addiction story. infrastructure weak, not many people were talking about that. it was weak. that's not just trump. that's congress. the swamp. the swamp is resisting the drain. >> it's business. they say that they want infrastructure too. but who is going to go first? the government or you. and basically then you sit on the highway for seven hours drying to get from d.c. to new york. >> and what you will do is build walls that's why the book is called "us versus them." trump has been an us versus them president. done with the globalists. i'm going to stand up for the little guy. even if i can't get a lot of the policies done, i'm going to beat on the mainstream media every day. i promise you, the nonamericans,
i'm going to hit them, muslim band, all of those things. those are speaking to people who felt like they were forgotten for a long time. even though i don't like it i understand it works. steve: but will it work in reality for real people? >> when trump says, you want to see if a wall works, go to israel. israel is one of the most effective democracies in the world. transparent, rule of law, independent judiciary, anti-corrupt and they've built walls. the only problem is that you have to think the palestinians -- steve: by the way, economically, real success story -- we're out of time. thanks so much. why do you think that our european allies are so keen to al vaj the irasalvage hey! you know, progressive
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ways, two of this week's biggest news stories shines a spotlight on how the swamp works. the iran nuclear deal and michael cohen's deal. we get to the bottom of it all in tonight's swamp watch. ♪ ♪ britain, france and germany lobbied furiously toe try to stop trump from ditching the iran nuclear deal and now they're trying to keep it alive. they dress it up as high principle but for them it's about more money for their big business cronies. the swamp is global. britain has pushed their telekom company trying to modernize the network. and in 2017 british officials os agreed to $715 million deal.
germany is even more swampy, after sanctions were lifted, car maker volkswagen reached an agreement to sell two of their models there and the german manufacturing giant seemen signed deals. but here's the swampiest german and this is truly shocking. one of the biggest impacts is would be on energy. in russia, they both have expwreses in iran. guess who is head of the executive board and chaimple of the board of directors at in orderstream. gar hart schroder, the former german leader is on the board of russia's biggest energy companies. since russia has no economy apart from energy, that's basically like being on the
board of russia. and the elites accuse donald trump of collusion. perhaps the country deepest in the iran swamp is france. airbus signed a deal with iran air to sell 100 planes around $19 billion. another french craft maker stuck a $216 million bill. french oil giant signed a 20-year contract with iran and chinese oil company to develop an iranian gas field and a french car maker got a deal to open an iranian plant. it turns out that one-fifth of the entire global market is in iran. and you'll be interested to discover that the rothschild banker is none ow other tharn tn emanuel macron. we take them for seriously when they come after donald trump for
pulling out of the nuclear deal if they weren't up to their necks with other deals with iran. the other story in the spotlight is donald trump's former fixer, michael cohen. the drug giant confirmed that it paid cohen $1.2 million for a consulting contract. he reached out in early 2017 promising access to the president and many most influential officials in the new administration. novartis jumped at the information. it's the kind of corruption that the pharmaceutical companies jump at all of the time. they spent over $8 million lobbying the u.s. government just last year, spent over 45 million lobbying since 2012. and three-quarters of the lobbyists that novartis hired in 2017 have previously held government jobs, including bob dole and former house ways and
means committee member, jim ma careerry. novartis has donated $168,000 to political candidates just in the 2018 election cycle. and remember because michael cohen wasn't technically hired as a lobbyist but consultant, novartis didn't have to discloses their contract. welthe other drug companies that buy the outcomes that they want from your government. novartis wasn't alone. michael cohen approached at&t with the pay to play teach and they gave him a 600 million-dollar for an inside track to help with their bid to buy time warner. at&t's ceo randall stephens tried to blame it all on bob quinn, who was thrown under the bus, forced to retire. stephenson said that hiring michael cohen was a big mistake.
yeah, right. the only mistake was getting caught. at&t spends more than $60 million on fad rale lobbying each of the last 20 years. and 86 of their 114 lobbyists have previously held government jobs. in the tweep election, at&t gave $4.7 million to hundreds of candidates in groups in both parties, donating $1.5 million for the democratic convention and $4.2 million on the republican convention. on top of that at&t randall stephenson personally gives thousands of dollars to d.c. politicians, 1,000 to paul ryan, 2700 to john mccain, 10,000 to the national republican senate toirl committee. not to mention the thousands of dollars he's donated to his own company's political action committee. this is the kind of corruption that donald trump was elected to stop.
and let's be fair. he's delivered some of his drain the swamp pledges, like cracking down on the resolving door between government and lobbying. and michael cohen's peddling didn't work. the trump administration took at&t to court to block the merger. but the sight of a trump insider running around trying to help big corporations is an insult to every trump voter. just today "the wall street journal" is reporting that michael cohen pushed his swampy service to ford as well. donald trump was elected to be the voice for the voiceless, to help the forgotten men and women of america, not to help big business get its way in washington. what part of drain the swamp did michael cohen not understand. pointing this out is not being disloyal to the president. it's michael cohen who has let the president down by 'e embarrassing him and undermining one of his most important
promise to the american people. michael cohen should apologize, pay back his swamp fees and tell us who else he pitched. it's called draining the swamp swamp. dana and ian has been listening. i would love their insight here you go little guy. a cockroach can survive submerged underwater for 30 minutes. wow. yeah, wow.
we need to have some thing where you can listen to our conversation during the commercial break as well as listening to the ads which are very important. we don't want to diss them. let's talk about the iran thing. snr we need to remember that the europeans do ten times as much business with iran as the united states do. the europeans were doing all of the business with the russians, the u.s. does almost done. that creates an industrial lobby in europe to want to do business with them and not want to have sanctions. so you're absolutely right. there's an economic push back. there is a problem. when we hit these guys with sanctions for doing business with russia -- and john
mccain, ierm talking to him about this, saying he want to hit the europeans much harder, are you going to put sanctions on the chinese for doing business with russia? we need to talk about that. america's friends get hit the hardest. steve: pick from the menu. >> well i think on the michael cohen front, it is -- like the swamp is going to swamp. and you can try to drain the swamp and the swamp means different things to different people. in my opinion, if a privately owned company, even publicly owned but in the free market. if they want to pay michael cohen $1.2 million to give him insights into how president trump thinks about thing, he is really the most transprn transpt person we've ever had. he tells you exactly what he's thinking and what he's going to do. you don't have to pay michael cohen that. but if you would peel back the layers on this, michael cohen is
not the only one doing this. people tried to make money based on the experience and the expertise they are. the companies are embarrassed. there's not that many people that knew. you might have thought it was a good deal. but they got embarrassed. steve: it goes back to your argument. it's all coming together. it feels like the people with the money, the connections, their voice gets heard, their arguments, business needs whatever get listened to. but the small business person. >> that's why you do have lobbyists. like the dairy farmers, they work together because they don't have time to each individually go but they've got to take care of their cattle. they have to figure out a way to get their message to congress so they send a lobbyist to congress. it's a good system in that way. >> in a representative government, what you legally wanreally wantis the governmentn
arbiter. in united states, corporations and the special interest capture the state, whether it's the nra or the aarp, big pharma, very frequently you have outcomes where the governments are trying to use experts to get regulations that will work, end up getting regulations that drive the most profit. >> he's driving me absolutely crazy. i know you've got to go to commercial break. steve: we'll definitely continue that argument. coming up next, back to jez live where pastor robert jefers is live. he's delivering a prayer when the u.s. embassy opens there tomorrow. tomorrow. all of the details rig
when the u.s. embassy is moving from tel aviv to versace tomorrow. joining us again from jerusalem live, pastor at the first baptist church in dallas, texas and fox news contributor robert jeffress giving the opening prayer tomorrow. i'd love to you talk us through what's going to happen tomorrow, what you're planning to say? how's it going to shape up? reporter: in my prayer, steve, i'm going to thank god for his faithfulness to israel. israel is the only nation in history that god has promised will never be destroyed. he's fulfilled that promise. secondly, i'm going to thank god for the great leaders we have in benjamin netanyahu in israel and president trump not just for america. he has become a world leader for peace. and finally, i'm going to be paying for peace in jerusalem. we ought to be working toward peace. this is why this is so important. the moving of this embassy
symbolizes that we recognize a historical truth for 3,000 years and that is jerusalem is the legitimate capital of israel, and if that's true, it blows apart the myth perpetrated by the left that the israelis, the jewish people came in and stole this land from the palestinians 70 years ago. you know, netanyahu said last night peace can never be built on a lie. peace has to be built on truth. and the truth is the jewish people have occupied this land for thousands of years. jerusalem is their capital. that is the starting place, not the ending place, but it's the starting place for a true peace process. steve: i think it's such a significant day for so many people, i really appreciate that you're able to join us tonight and all the best with everything tomorrow. >> thanks so much, steve. steve: very quick thoughts. >> 2,000 have been shot,
palestinians, throwing themselves against the wall in gaza, next two days, that's easily as important store ease at united states opening up this embassy in jerusalem. they feel they have no choice. there is no peace process even with jared kushner, not going to happen, i worry about that. steve: dana? >> i'm a little more hopeful on that front. once they get past this day, which is so important to so many people, let that hurt from the palestinians ease a little bit and see if they can get back to the negotiating table. now would be a great time to make a deal. steve: i think everyone would agree with you. thanks for being with us, such fun. we pledge we'll do it again with ian and dana. thanks for being with us. you can follow us at -- next sunday, i will be in england. it's royal wedding. they're sending me there for some reason. mark levin is next. join us next sunday when "the
next revolution" will be televised. . mark: hello, america. i'm mark levin. this is "life, liberty & levin." i have a wonderful guest tonight. gary sinise, how are you, my friend? >> i'm good, mark, thanks for having me. mark: haven't seen you in five, six years. >> it's been awhile. mark: i wanted to bring you out here, memorial day is not that far from now, and you do this magnificent program every year except for last year when your daughter had a