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>> sean: great points by rush as usual. that's all the time we have this evening. thank you for being with us. we hope you have a great weekend. let not your heart be troubled. "the ingraham angle" is next here. see you on monday. >> good evening and live from new york city. i am pete in for laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle." a tough day for our nation as we grapple with yet another school shooting this evening. we will bring you complete coverage from every angle on the tragedy in texas. we dissect a huge move by the trump administration to strip planned parenthood of millions of dollars of federal funding. long over due. a new report from the "new york times" coming out just moments ago on whether team obama spied on the trump campaign. fresh new details on that and a possible change in strategy by president trump towards north korea ahead of the big meeting next month. we begin with the deadly events in the city of santa fe, texas.
witnesses say a 17-year-old whose gnome i won't dignify reading on the air, walked into an art class in santa fe high school and began shooting. at least ten people were killed and another ten wounded. texas governor greg abbott told officers he planed to kill himself but didn't have courage to pull the trigger on himself. the early morning shooting at 8:00 a.m. central time left students in shock. listen. >> we were sitting in class. we had our door open. and the next thing i know we all heard a teacher run through the hallway, mr. harms. he goes there's a dude in the building with a shotgun. there's a dude in the building with a shotgun. >> i heard really loud booms and didn't know what they were at first. and i ran. >> everybody took off. i heard 3 shots. i grabbed her and we ran to the trees to get out of sight. i called mom and heard 4 more shots. >> i just started running
outside and the next thing you know, everybody looks and you hear, boom, boom, boom, and i just ran as fast as i could to the nearest forest so i could hide. >> how can you be prepared for ha. first let's go to casey stiegel in santa fe, texas at the scene of a today's shooting. >> reporter: it doesn't matter how many times you hear those sound bites or those clips of the interviews with those tearful students it gives you goose bumps every time you hear it because you can imagine the terror they must have experienced here this morning. all schools in the district will be closed at least monday and tuesday of next week as this small and devastated community searches for answers and tries to wrap their head around what happened here. this as the teen gunman made his first appearance in court. let's show you that video now.
17-year-old dimitrios pagourtzis was charged with capital murder. of multiple persons and aggravated assault of a public servant. school's public resource police officer shot trying to stop the gunman. that officer is recovering in the hospital after undergoing surgery earlier. right now investigators continue combing the crime scene and interviewing two other persons of interest. to see if the shooter had help. and now, a motive is still not clear. investigators say there's no real digital footprint portraying a troubled teen like we've seen with previous shootings, no real red flags, if you will. perhaps it's that randomness that has really shake than community. tonight grieving students and family members and perfect
strangers gathering for a prayer vigil not far from where i am at a nearby bank. everyone coming together to pray for those who have been impacted. and, frankly, it's not hard to go around this small community southeast of houston to find someone who has been impacted by this as it's only population of 13,000. one of those towns where everyone knows everyone. pete? >> thank you very much. great coverage all day on such a tough topic. >> thank you. as texas absorbs the impact of today's events state leaders vow to make changes to prevent a repeat of this event. if you can even do that. joined now by texas lieutenant governor patrick in houston. thank you for joining us on this tough evening. first, give us an update on what we may not know already.
>> you have done a good job of staying to the facts all night as fox has done all day. this school was one of 186 giving a safety course that texas offers out of 1,000 school districts. because of their action and the action of these two officers, and then three and then four, many lives were saved. we grieve and i want everyone in america to pray for these families that lost their children and lost a substitute teacher today as well. but had these officers not responded, had they not been trained properly, this young man with his -- we believe with a shotgun, a remington that can hold five to eight shells could have killed or wounded many more. they did their job. what i look for, what i look for is what can we do next to protect our schools. governor abbott will put together round tables and we will begin meeting next week with people from all points of view. pro-gun and anti-gun. everything to stop this from
happening again am one thing, people, i want to look at. number one, every parent the out there, if you have a gun legally, as i do, lock them up and keep them away. we don't know if he broke into his father's cabinet to get these guns. or if they were easy to access. we hear time and time again, access to people who have guns. have guns. if you don't have a gun safe buy one. protect your children and also from someone breaking in your house and taking a gun. the designs of our schools. we have too many exits and entrances for shooters to get in school. in texas we have 5.4 million school students with 5,000 campuses with multiple locations to enter and exit schools. we don't have 30 or 40,000 law enforcement to put at every day. maybe we need to design schools like infrastructure like office buildings and courthouses where you can only go in and out one door.
that might mean changing the way we think about school am kids don't come all at one time but staggered. so we can check every student. and here's the reason. this young man apparently walked in with a trench coat today hiding a shotgun when it was 90 degrees. maybe a police officer would have stopped him if we had one enter and one exit. harden the soft targets. >> the lead is the question i was going to ask: are there steps texas has taken since parkland that did reduce. ten lives is too many, no one is saying it isn't. but there are trained officers there that mitigated what could have been a larger number. you are saying there were proactive steps taken in this case? >> yes, because they did this training we put in place years ago. also, pete, in texas, we allow teachers to carry. we leave it up to the local school board and parents to make that decision. we have school districts that allow trained teachers to carry. when they are trained how to handle an active shooter for
quite a few years. when i was at a hospital with a young man, i will leave his name private for now. he was shot twice. he was in the classroom. when the shooter came and shot him, he played dead and thought the shooter had moved and he got up and he was shot again. he will recover but had a series injury. i was there with ted cruz and greg abbott and there were a lot of student friends in there. they all said arm our teachers. the parents all said arm the teachers. next door to the art class was a marine substitute teacher who heard the noise, went out and saw the shooter and locked the door and protected his shooters, -- students. but he wasn't armed. some thing if that marine had been able to carry this that school district, he may have been able to stop that shooter. for those who say guns are the issue, and we want the best background checks we can have. but the answer is not taking away guns from people who can defend themselves and others.
i think in our schools, leave it up to the parents as we do in texas and the superintendent. more school districts need to look at arming teachers who want to be armed and are efficient. stagger the start and end times and be sure kids like this don't get in the school house with a gun under their coat. >> ultimately, you can have a big government decision or good people with guns taking down bad people with guns. you can't stop everyone. b dan patrick out of texas, thank you for joining us. thanks for joining us. officials on the scene say the quick response of armed officers willing to confront the shooter probably saved many lives. let's discuss that with a security exert aaron cohen and randy sutton. aaron, let me start with you, does it look like the proper protocols were followed? are we doing enough in america
in our schools in >> the proper protocols was followed by responding law enforcement. that's not the problem. we've got heroes in this country trained in active shooter response. most agencies go through a federal law enforcement training center. active shooter training has been around since columbine. it's been around for 25 years. the problem is it's not enough. you can't rely on the responders. to what pete said to the lt. governor of texas, he only named two of multiple layers that need to be implemented if you are going to protect this country. i want to speak to the governor's and the senators. israelis already figured out security. three parts to it. the first is deter, the second is detect and the third is deny. you need to check the bags, pete, at every school. had you open up the bags and coat -- >> you know more about this than i have ever known. are we turning our schools into prisons? do we have to take that kind of -- >> no, we are not turning our
schools into prisons. what we're doing is coming up with a multilayered viable security solution until we can figure out the gun solution, the mental health problem with firearms. and the kids being raised by parents. until we can figure out those problems we have to treat this as an organic security threat. the money is there. we can do this for less than $15 billion a year and get 10,000 security officers trained direct to threat and put enough security at 100,000 registered schools in this country to check bags. we just have to do it. >> randy, you have been a detective. is more offense the answer or more defense, hardening of targets? >> well, there needs to be a combination. there is not one simple answer to a complex problem like this. do we need to harden the targets? absolutely.
you know, we have become very complacent in this country. we have not learned the lessons yet. and as aaron said, it's time. we have to learn these lessons and it's going to be painful at first. it's going to take some getting used to. unfortunately, we had way too many of these school shootings. we can no longer ignore home. however, once again, we have an individual here who didn't show the red flag, unlike the school shooter in florida. this kid was thought to be a kind, young man. >> that's right. >> he was on the football team. he didn't show any outward signs. yet, he was also described as having a certain sadness, which of course is a sign of depression. when he was talked to by the police, he said he wanted to commit suicide. there are some flags here.
the access to the weapons disturbs me. as the lt. governor said. as the lieutenant governor said, if you have a weapon in your home, you have to secure it. >> the lieutenant governor talked about arming teachers and the fact that the armed guards that were there prevented more deaths. in addition to hardening targets do you think it's a viable option -- >> absolutely. >> to arm teachers. >> pete, i have been training law enforcement for 25 years and trained military unit around the world. there's no problem with teaching people how to run into a crowd with a weapon. but you have to give them 40 hours, 80 hours of training. we it take the active shooting training and give it to able and physically capable teachers. physical ed instructors. in israel, we allow parents who served in combat units to respond to our schools in addition to having the armed security in front of the school.
>> israel is different than the u.s. size and scope wise. the tsa guards airports. in july of 2017 the minneapolis tsa failed 95% of the time during inspection. >> it's a good point. but the tsa is an over-bloated billion company that should have been disbanded years ago. it's a waste of taxpayer's money. they still check breast milk and make me take off my shoes. they are not looking for terrorists and detecting weapons and not doing a good job. >> no, they are not. >> we look for terrorists in israel. and what we need to do is deploy the model that allows us to train guards. one properly trained guard is more useful than 10 tsa mall cop -- >> that's true. >> we've got $600 billion that's given to the department of defense every year. this is a national security issue!
let's treat it as one. let's train our veterans. start arming the teachers in the states that want it. give the blue states the option. >> giving local control is smart. >> but let's spend the money on the training. anyone listening. this is doable. we have the money. let's take it from dod and dump it into the system and get these people trained. get who needs to be armed, armed. and start putting security and take it seriously. >> thank you very much for your time. well, what causes a young person -- this is a big question tonight -- to do the unimaginable. mow down his fellow classmates. two experts will join us. to piece together what we know about the suspect and what could have pushed him over the edge. stay right there. we'll be back with that and more. mom you called?
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not the other way around. >> ♪ >> ♪ >> welcome back. >> welcome back. whenever there is a mass shooting, the big question: why? why would someone do something so depraved. the question is more difficult when the suspect, the suspected shooter taken victims, they are high school teenagers. let's assess what we know about the shooter in texas and his background. and dr. brian russell is a psychologist and attorney. ron, is there a single part of his background that would give you a look into motivations, i mean, why? why he walked in and started shooting people? >> sure. the first thing to keep in mind is discount the people that are telling you there is no red flag. because as we begin to unpack this bag psychologically, we are going to find there were red
flags. they were certainly there. we are starting to see perhaps a ticking time bomb when i have written about extensively. this person probably felt isolated. he was suicidal. when i am seeing in active shooters, 40% of which commit suicide or suicide by cop is they experience woodsal ideations. the reason for suicide is to end pain. emotional and psychological. this person was probably was experiencing some sort of pain. it could have been bullying coming from a variety of areas. but we're looking for now a precipitating event that caused this person to explode. >> dr. russell you talked about being bullied potentially. here's some sound referring to the shooter that might give us insight. >> he was really quiet and mostly kept to himself. he was picked on by coaches and other students. didn't really talk to anyone.
>> my friends from the football team say they told him he smelled right in front of his face. other kids would laugh at him and talk about him. nothing like physical, but but they still, you know, emotionally bullied him. >> other classmates say he was a cool guy and kept to himself and seemed fairly normal. bullying happens all over the place and doesn't lead people to pull triggers, what do you make of that? >> people process stress differently. some people commit suicide. some people commit homicide and some people do both. every person has a different psyche that can trigger a response. this is a very severe response. that's why i'm telling you as we unpack this bag, we're going to find out more about this young man. nobody wakes up in the morning and i say i will go out and kill ten people and wound ten other people and put bombs at the school.
this is a planned event. >> there is a new headline out. in the "houston chronicles " th 17-year-old admits that he gunned down his classmates but spared the students that he liked so he could have his story told. what does that tell you about him? he didn't commit suicide at the end. >> sadly, pete, there are people in this world and there are high school students for whom this role that has been created in our culture since columbine is for some of them the only role they can see themselves playing that gives them any power or any meaning as individuals. i think it's very important for people to think about, what was the first word that went through your mind when you heard about this today. a lot of people will say sicko, psycho. if you look the calculations and
calculations, the conniving, the concealment, all of this conscious decision making that went into it, you can see that, is this a mentally healthy kid, obviously not. that's not mental illness. what is it? it's a narcissistic phenomenon. where somebody becomes so wrapped up -- it could be they think they are superior to everybody or inferior and want to get power. whatever. but they feel entitled to indulge that at the expense of other people's very lives. that's not mental illness. that is a sociopathy rooted in narcissism and there are always precursors to that. always signs and we will find some here. we have to heed those signs. for the few people where the signs are not enough and they
still slip through the cracks as your previous guests have said we have to harden the targets. >> only a couple of seconds. we have not heard much about the parents. someone close to him knew something. >> yes, i agree. somebody will come up and tell us a lot more about this person. you might get indications from the parents. but i will tell you, probably the friends closest to him will be the people that provide you with the motive for this crime. right now, there are five motives to active shooting. one is revenge. you know, this is not anti-government sentiment. it's not anti-religious sentiment. it's not an act of terrorism as we know terrorism to be. we will take a look at the revenge motive. the other motive would be pure evil. it may be a combination of both. >> can't rule that out either. as much as i don't like talking about the motivations, it shouldn't matter but it does
matter if we are going to get to the bottom of our problems in our society today. thank you both. a new bombshell "new york times" article. there is a big debate raging. did robert mueller have it wrong? should mueller be investigating the obama administration for spying on the trump campaign? we'll bring you breaking details on that coming up next.
>> ♪ >> welcome back. the guessing game in washington. it's an open secret the identity of the spy or informant that the fbi may have had inside the trump presidential campaign, wrap your brain around that. speculation is running rampant after a story in wednesday's "new york times" revealed this: quote, at least one government informant met several times with carder page and george papadopoulos. and that is coming from current and former officials. well, president trump tweeted that if true, this is bigger than watergate. he just might be right.
and now the "times" just published a follow up story saying this. allies to the president are not to spy as trump claims. allies to the president are pushing to find out what role the informant may have played in the russian investigation. let's talk about this with bobby shiccone and jeff beady. these guys know what they're talking about. bobby, let me start with you, this headline from "the new york times," they are saying that the fbi used the informant to investigate russia ties, not to spy on trump. what do you make of that? >> in my reading of it it's disturbing it's the direction they took with this informant. they had a source and heard there may be ties with
papadopoulos and russia and ran this source at several members of the trump campaign. papadopoulos. page, flynn. they ran him pretty hard. he lured papadopoulos over to london for a meeting. he had a young woman with him. now some of our other guests can tell you i didn't work counterterrorism, having a young woman at a meeting that later on invited papadopoulos to another meeting, that is a recruitment tool. they were using aggressive tactics to look at papadopoulos and carter page and to general flynn. so i think that, you know, during the time he was run at page the fisa was up. we call that tickling the wire, trying to get conversation generated that you may overhear on your wife tap. in this case, a fisa. they didn't run this informant at the russian side of the rumors that they. they ran him at the trump side. and i they ran them, in my
estimation, they ran them pretty aggressively at these guys and they came up with nothing. >> so richard, bobby, saying they were aggressive at the trump folks. here's a quote from "the new york times" that caught our eye as well. it said mr. papadopoulos replied he had no insight into the russian campaign despite being told months earlier that the russians had dirt on mrs. clinton in the form of thousands of e-mails. his response annoyed the informant who tried to press mr. papadopoulos what he might know about the effort. according to this person. would you feel the same way you do right now, i know you don't agree with some of the previous assessment. what if this was the obama campaign and the fbi had been aggressively pushing informants to gather information on that campaign? wouldn't you look at that side ways? >> for starters, if we can, pete, let's take the word spy
army implant it out of this discussion. that's not at all what happened with the president and rudy giuliani. >> people are look into it. >> here's what we don't know. we have no evidence to believe that it did happen. the assertion is being made over and over it did. i will concede i know no more than you know that what the "new york times" is saying. what i say to your question. if the obama campaign had two of its five foreign policy advisers -- remember when donald trump was asked during the campaign -- >> these guys are back benchers. come on. >> he said he could name five people. papadopoulos and page were two of them. and the fbi had reason to believe they were consorting with russians. this made them feel uneasy. when you say they ran an informant. i think if you had with the presidential candidate two of his five foreign policy advisers who have contacts that are suspicious with russians -- yes,
they had that county of thing. if they had it with the mafia, is that something they would want to get to the bottom of? that's good law enforcement practice. we are talking to two guys that did this for a living. >> jeff, is this good law enforcement or surveillance that looks too political for an agency that says it doesn't do politics? >> well, i particular depends on where you are sitting. right now we have limited information. the information that came out today that you just briefed us on does talk about the fact that it has been stated that there was some information about russian contacts with the trump campaign that were a concern. i think it's interesting as to who might have provided that information or how that information came about. nonetheless, the thing your viewers should be aware of, to do a confidential informant and run an operation like that, you don't need to go to a judge. you don't need to get a search
warrant or prove probable cause. in fact it's a preliminary step trying to generate probable cause. there is no judge involved. it's administratively approved. although this would be a sensitive one and would have been approved at a very high level. that brings into question the motivations of some of the senior fbi leadership. they may have used confidential informant tactic here as a fig leaf about the russians to do what they wanted to do. that fig leaf is hard to shake loose. >> absolutely. bobby, the guy at the center of this clapper has been talking. listen to what he had to say. >> they may have someone who was talking to them in the campaign. the fbi gains a lot of valuable information from informants. so to me, this is incredible. >> he said it's a good thing they had an informant inside the
trump campaign. one thing that is missing is the evidence of a crime. we knew that hillary clinton committed crimes with her e-mail server. if you don't have a crime but searching for one, you go in ways where you don't have to get a warrant. >> i agree. and i think that's why -- the crucial word in this article and the reporting by the "times" is they thought the contact with the russians was suspicious. what was the contact and what made it suspicious? then they operated the source and ran hard at these three individuals in the trump campaign. what was that information that the -- because the contacts alone are not improper. it depends on the contact. what made those contacts suspicious? why are they using that word suspicious? for full transparency we have to get down to why they thought it was suspicious and what information they had. after they ran this informant at them, it produced no tangible results. and they didn't give up anything
or incriminate themselves. and after a fisa if there was anything on that fisa that incriminated him he would be in jail by now. >> bobby, you agree that outing the identity of this informant is dangerous. you can't do your job if you think you will be outed by -- >> there is subtlety. >> and i work criminal matters. there is a confrontation clause in our constitution. when i brought someone into a criminal court -- >> fine. but if every informant for the u.s. knows for political purposes that someone in the white house can expose them. >> white house hasn't exposed them. it's doj. >> we haven't worked the cia angle on this. there is a subtlety that needs to be brought out. people talk about early articles
that this person had provided in the past, reliable information to the fbi and the cia. we're going to see more cia involvement. second, the information in that "new york times" we talk about protecting sources. the information in that "new york times" series of articles is sufficient -- >> might as well give it away. but what it's not necessarily sufficient for is if this individual had contact with sub state entities where he was of help to the united states and that may be where the greatest danger to the source, that may be where it lies. >> and there is more flexibility in the cia starting an investigation if they were involved early that could point to john brenan. we'll see where this goes. but late breaking news tonight. we'll continue to follow it. bobby, richard, jeff, thanks for your time. appreciate it. the trump administration
>> ♪ >> well, the trump administration is proposing a change that could cut deeply into federal funding for planned parenthood. and abortions. a new rule would make family planning services that provide abortions or refer abortions ineligible for title ten funding. the 260-million dollars program is for family planning. the administration's position: it's abortion and not family planning. end it. abortion supporters are outraged. listen. >> when you remove the federal funding and women don't have access to contraception or legal and safe abortions unsafe abortions happen. women die. >> it removes the guarantees
that our doctors will do the best for us that they can and not what politicians tell them to say. >> this is an issue that should enrage the american public. particularly women. it's an attack on them. i don't know why member of congress feel like it's their job to tell women what do to do with their health care. >> it's an attack. here is christian tait in houston and let me start with you. i presume you are excited by this change. why did it -- george w. bush was pro life. is there a reason that administration didn't make this move and this one did. >> they should have. this is not about making abortion illegal or stripping women of their rights. this is about separating taxpayer funds from abortion operations. in fact, planned parenthood would not be stripped of their funds if they agreed to
disentangle their taxpayer money from family planning. but no one thinks that planned parenthood is going to stop abortions. they call themselves a woman's health organization but performance a small number of health services and make the vast majority of its money from abortions. last year alone they performed well over 300,000 abortions and they are able to mask their true priorities of course with the help of democrats and the main stream media. meanwhile, millions of christians are being forced to subsidize this group even though they think abortion is wrong and murder. this is a good move. >> is that simply the argument. can planned parenthood can conduct abortions but not on the taxpayer dime. and that's the line that we're drying here? >> well, pete, they are not doing it on the taxpayer dime. there is a law in place --
>> this would enforcement of the hyde amendment. >> if the hyde amendment is enforced and planned parenthood makes sure they are following those rules. your first question around the outrage i guess you mentioned coming from the left. i think what is outrageous here is that no one would be surprised if president trump himself hadn't personally funded multiple abortions and through this -- >> do you have evidence of that? >> no, i have no evidence but -- >> how can you go on national tv and say that without evidence? this is -- >> would you be surprised? >> it's inappropriate to -- >> hold on. this is the highest -- >> this man, president trump has made a ruling that is going to take away many women's access to basic health care. >> stop spreading this information! this is ridiculous.
>> doing this to turnout republicans in the mid-term elections. there's an understanding i have from that part. but when you look at the consequences of that decision, consequences that he probably did not have to face in his position where he said he went through the vietnam war era. >> now you are talking about the vietnam war. i don't know how we got to vietnam. >> he said -- vietnam was escaping stds in the '70s. >> if i can get a word in here. every time we talk about defunding planned parenthood, the left launches irresponsible misinformation campaigns. when 2011 when texas defunded planned parenthood. >> women lost access to health care. >> hold on. they looked tirelessly for nonexistent information about a public health crisis in the
state. since 2011 public health has been on the upswing in texas. we've seen fewer teen abortions, fewer teen pregnancies and no wave of unwanted or unexpected pregnancies as far as we can see. >> americans -- >> part of this -- >> this is all part of a narrative on the left to scare women -- this is a narrative on the left to scare women and treat them as though they are some sort of special interest group. it's a shallow attempt by the left to get women voters. >> you have 20 seconds. >> i am glad she brought up the fact that we are at a 30-year low unintended pregnancy and historic low for teenaged pregnancies. i don't understand. the president and this administration that cares about records so much. they will walk that progress back. that's come through the health care that planned parenthood provides to low income women. the std testing and cancer
screening and breast exams. >> planned parenthood does less than 2% of cancer screening and 2% of breast exams. women are smart enough to get those things when necessary. >> pete, 41% of the women who receive title ten funding go to planned parenthood centers for health care. that's a fact. >> that's one point in -- >> she is correct that abortions have declined but it's that is not -- abortions have not declined over the last few decades because of planned parenthood. >> because technology has improved. >> because we have seen people as a whole turn more toward the pro life movement. >> and technology has shown us what a fetus looks like. it's a life. >> planned parthood has done a
good job sex education. >> the debate will rage on. has president trump made a big change in his approach to north korea? we've got some details for you next. own sleep ingredient. only remfresh uses ion-powered melatonin to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. number one sleep doctor recommended remfresh-your nightly sleep companion. available in the natural sleep section at walmart.
not the conservative guy, travis allen. what about this john cox? talks a big game... but what's he done? a chicago lawyer? huh? thirteen losing campaigns - seven in illinois? cox lost campaigns as a republican... and as a democrat. gave money to liberals. supported big tax increases. no wonder republicans say cox is unelectable in november.
>> ♪ >> ♪ >> well, president trump made what some president trump has made some of his first public concessions to north korea canceling an annual military training exercise with south korea. kim jong-un complained about the exercise and threatened to cancel the summit with trump. the question is whether trump will see it has a sign of good faith or weakness. joining us is the author of the book "dear reader" thank you for being here.
that's the key question. he had been talking time and time again we don't want to make concessions up front. but is this the type of thing that brings them to the table? >> they have been brought to the table. the war games have happened every year for four decades. it would be as if i called you up on october 30th and say why are you having a halloween party tomorrow? scene kim jong-un -- so the fact they are doing this publicly, it's a small price to pay. if they are giving up new testing and you are giving up these war testing -- >> is he talking more to his people and saying we are in a strong -- >> he is talking to us and making it clear that if i need to stamp my foot i'm going to stamp my foot. >> how did do we not get sucked into that game? give a little and get a little
and we build the nukes. >> because president trump said i have no problem getting up and walking away from the table. if he expects nothing, we already have three hostages. and that is a huge win. >> that what is the thing that kim jong-un cares about the most? >> maintaining his leadership. he doesn't want to end up like hussain. >> or kwa dafy. that is his biggest fear. what is the likelihood of a successful meeting that creates an actual pass to denuclearization? >> quite low. they regard themselves as a hedge hog and they need the nukes to make sure the u.s. can't invade. >> they believe their propaganda? do they believe that kim jong-un gets a hole in one on every hole? >> but they believe that nukes are a deterrent. and they have been told that and
>> let's get caught up >> let's get caught up on the latest on the deadly school shooting in santa fe, texas. natosha is on scene with a live update. >> quite a bit here at this candlelight vigil earlier this evening, hundred people came out to pray for each other during this tragic event. 8:00 this morning the shooter entered an art class and opened fire striking multiple students, the shooter was identified as
the-year-old demetrius corsi, student and member of the football team, is charged with capital murder and denied bond after being seen by a judge. 10 people are dead and 10 others injured including the school police officer named john barnes who is in stable condition. one of the victims killed was a foreign exchange student from pakistan. students saw the fellow classmate with a pistol and shotgun. we learned both suspects and the legally. law enforcement agencies located devices on school grounds and in surrounding areas. >>. kind of explosive devices have already been detected. one was a co2 device. another one a molotov cocktail, and various other types of explosive devices that have been identified in a home as well as a vehicle. >> governor greg abbott said he planned on committing suicide but was never successful in carrying out that act and
resources will be coming out tomorrow to help friends and family members find comfort during this time. >> hopefully tomorrow we learn more about the family and more information about what motivated him. that is all we have time for tonight. if you are up early tomorrow morning you can join yours truly from 5:00 to 10:00 am for every angle of the royal wedding. not my cup of tea but it might be yours. i will be there at 5:00 am eastern time. i plan to do my homework tonight. i am texas in for laura ingram. that is all we have got from new york city. shannon bream is up next.
>> you will hear from people personally impacted by school shootings. expert analysis from law enforcement officials, politicians and a psychotherapist, fox news coverage of the shooting in texas continues. according to rudy giuliani, robert mueller has agreed to narrow down the topics for the interview with the president so we have an inside look how the president may be prepping for that face-off and the president