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does and mo caught me. so we'll tell you a little about mo and his training along with the marines next weekend. we'll see you then. >> liz: thanks for joining us. >> chris: another school shooting leaves 10 dead in the worse attack since the massacre in parkland, florida. >> you hear boom, boom, boom, and i just ran as fast as i could. >> we need to do more than just pray for the victims and the families. >> chris: we'll discuss if there's any way to protect our children with the incoming president of the national rifle association, oliver north. and we'll get reaction from a leader in preventing gun violence, mark kelly, the retired astronaut husband of gabby giffords. then will president trump give in on trade with china? we'll talk with the president's point man, steven mnuchin, only
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on fox news sunday. plus, president trump offers security assurances to kim jong un after the north koreans threaten to cancel the summit. >> we're willing to do a lot and he's willing i think to do a lot also and he'll get protections that will be very strong. >> chris: we'll ask senator lindsey graham whether the president can keep the singapore summit on track. then -- >> if you're going to write a fair report, fine, write it. if you're going to write an unfair report, write it and we'll combat it. >> chris: a new effort by president trump and his supporters to discredit robert mueller's russia investigation as he marks one year as special council. we'll ask our sunday panel about reports the fbi had an informant on the campaign. and our power player of the week. >> this is justify. he is a big boy, as you can see. >> chris: a triple crown winning trainer, on why his horses keep
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making it to the winner's circle. hello from fox news in washington. there is major news today on a trump, kim summit and trade talks with china. but we begin with another school shooting, the 16th this year. this time a high school in santa fe, texas where 10 people were killed. the attack coming just weeks after nationwide walkouts by students seeking tougher gun controls at the massacre in parkland, florida. walkouts that santa fe students participated in before they became targets. we'll look at what can be done to protect our children. we'll talk with incoming nra president oliver north and get reaction from gun control advocate mark kelly. first, to doug mcelway from santa fe, texas with the latest on the investigation. >> reporter: for the first time we are hearing from the family of the accused gunman in a
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formal statement. they said they asked for their privacy and they added, quote, we are as shocked and confused as anyone else by these events that occurred. we are gratified by the public comments made by other high l school students that showed him as we know him, a smart, quiet, sweet boy. like so many other americans, they seem unaware of some of their son's disturbing social media postings. the suspect made an initial court appearance on capital murder charges. he told investigators that he spared the students he liked. the death toll remains at 10. among the 13 wounded, police officer john barnes who ran to the sound of the gunshots and helped neutralize the shooter. he remains in critical but stable condition. another wounded, sophomore rome shubert was shot in the back of his head. >> it went into the back of my head, just right like kind of the middle of the back of the head and came out right here.
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i took off running. i had no idea that i had been shot. i took off running out the door and there's a seven fa foot wall over there. >> reporter: among the dead, sabika shek who was in the u.s. from pakistan. the funeral will take place today in houston. j.j. watt has agreed to pay for the funeral services of all of the deceased. chris? >> chris: , thank you for that. joining me now the next president of the national rifle association, oliver north. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you, chris. >> chris: i want to start by playing what two students from santa fe high said after the shooting. here they are. >> i shouldn't be going through this. it's my school. this is my daily life. i shouldn't have to feel like
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that. and i feel scared to even go back. >> it's been happening everywhere. i've always felt like eventually it was going to happen here too. >> chris: what do you say to young people like that who have come to expect shootings in their school. >> they shouldn't have to. they shouldn't be afraid to go to school. they shouldn't worry about the fact that they might not go home that night because some crazed person comes in with a firearm which is one of the reasons why nra for over two years has been advocating a program called school shield, is funding legislation for it. there's 75 to $100 million approacappropriated by the fedel government to assist. if school shield had been in place at santa fe high school, far less likely that this would have happened. the problem is we're trying to treat the symptom without treating the disease. and the disease in this case isn't the second amendment. the disease is youngsters who are steeped in a culture of
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violence. they've been drugged in many cases. nearly all of the perpetrators are male. and they're young teenagers in most cases. and they've come through a culture where violence is commonplace. all we need to do is turn on the tv, go to a movie. if you look at what has happened to young people, many of these young boys have been on ritalin since they were in kindergarten. i'm not a doctor. i'm a marine. i can see those kinds of things happening, endangering those two gals. >> chris: this was the 16th school shooting so far this year. that is the most at this point in a year since they started keeping records after columbine in 1999. two or three key specific things that you think would keep children safe. >> school shield would. >> chris: which is what. >> the nra introduced it two years ago.
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we do an assessment. it costs the school nothing to get the assessment as to what the issues are in terms of ingress, egress, the ability to hide a firearm and get it into a school, the number of school resource officers you really need and very few schools actually have them. >> chris: let's talk about that, if i may, just talk about that specifically. this school had two policemen, armed, roaming the halls. the school administrator said yesterday they considered santa fe a hardened school. >> there was no way to detected a firearm being brought into the building. we came through the lobby in this building where we're sitting right now. there was a security desk there. there was a barrier for us to pass through. you can't get on an airplane today without going through a metal detector. >> chris: there's no metal detector in our building. are you suggesting there should be a metal detector? i'm not saying that's wrong, a metal detector at the entrance for every school for millions and millions of students. >> if you want to stop the carnage -- you're not going to
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fix it by taking away the rights of law abiding citizens. you've got to fix it in a way that hardens the place sufficiently that those kids are safe inside the doors. if that means five metal detectors, you get five metal detectors. >> chris: one of the parkland students who led the march for our lives movement, tweeted this after the shooting. donald trump does not care about you or your kids getting shot. here's what you said about the parkland school movement. what they did very successfully with a frontal assault and now intimidation and harassment and law breaking is they confused the american people. question. what's wrong with students like this fighting they would say for their lives? >> look, that is taken out of context as people are fond of saying in our business. i was talking about the people who organized the harassment, the vandalism, the threats, the hacking, and throwing the full
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force of the first amendment against the second amendment. and they're leading the cause. these kids aren't the problem. they're being used by forces far bigger than they are to make sure that the second amendment goes away. >> chris: who is using the parkland students? >> we know what mayor bloomburg was up to. we know what george soros has funded. his creations have gone after you and me. >> chris: some are saying he's working and speaking for himself. >> i was not criticizing those kids. your next guest is going to be a person who is an advocate for more gun control. he's got a first amendment right just like i do. i believe that what we're doing right now with the national rifle association is trying to make sure that kids are protected without taking away the rights of law abiding citizens. that's all it's about. >> chris: i've got less than a minute left. you say one of your jobs as the incoming president at the nra a is you want to reassure politicians with all of this
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movement now for gun control that it's a good thing to be associated with the nra, not a liability. how's that going? >> my goal is a million more members. we have 6 million now. we've been around since 1871. i want to get a million more. i'm going to go out and ask every nra member to recruit one more. that will put 14 million activists on the street. not the types of george soros is fielding, not the types that showed up down in dallas to protest our right to gather. those are going to vote for people who support the second amendment. that's our cause. >> chris: ollie, thank you for coming in today. now let's bring in mark kelly, the retired astronaut who became a leader in preventing gun violence after his wife, former congresswoman, gabby giffords was severely injured by a shooter in 2011. mark, you just heard oliver north. here's what president said after the shooting. >> my administration is determined to do everything in our power to protect our
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students, secure our schools and to keep weapons out of the hands of those who pose a threat to themselves and to others. >> chris: mark, your reaction? >> well, on the surface those sound like reasonable words. i mean, keeping guns, weapons out of the hands of people that pose a threat. you did not hear ollie say that. ollie talked about the school being the problem and not the fact that we have proliferated guns throughout society. i'm a gun owner. like ollie, i'm a supporter of the second amendment. we make it so easy for irresponsible people and criminals to get access to firearms. >> chris: let me pick up on that. let's review the facts of this specific case, the t shoote shos case had a shotgun and a pistol. there were no assault weapons. the guns were bought legally by his father.
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he was on the school football team. he was on the honor roll. there were no red flags. the fact is, most of the things that you generally talk about would not have prevented this shooting. >> in general. but one thing that could be done, the state of texas is an example, could pass a piece of legislation that requires parents to safely store their firearms if they have a child in the house. this kid was 17 years old. he shouldn't have access to a semiautomatic shotgun and a .38 revolver. there is legislation. it works. it works in the states that have less gun violence. they have stronger laws. >> chris: but you're talking about texas, people go hunting, the idea that a 17-year-old is not going to have access to his dad's shotgun and that we're going to have a law preventing that? >> it exists in some places. i go hunting as well.
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but all my firearms are locked in a safe and if i had -- i don't even have a kid in the house anymore. if i did, i would even probably even double down on that. there are things that work. when we allow irresponsible people to get their hands on firearms and criminals -- i mean, your last guest is about to take over as the president of an organization that is against background checks for gun sales. i mean, the most common sense thing that we can do to protect society, they are so strongly against and then they advocate for an alternative reality that the problem is the school and the access point. we can take steps -- >> chris: i want to pick up on that. as i discussed with oliver north, this is the 16th school shooting so far this year. there clearly is a copycat aspect to this, one disturbed
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student seeing what another disturbed student did and following in that path. the question becomes at a certain point, particularly as i point out where a lot of the things, assault weapons, red flags wouldn't have worked in this case, do we need to harden our schools the way we do our airports with metal detectors and limited access to get in and out of the school? >> absolutely. i mean, i think we should make it more difficult, figure out a way to prevent people coming in the door with a firearm. at the same time, make sure that that irresponsible person can't get the gun in the first place. i mean, there are a lot of reasons why we have the level of gun violence that we currently have in this country. it's not one reason. we have 38,000 people dying every year from gun violence. another 110,000 people are shot and injured. i could tell you this, and this is from somebody who owns eight firearms. it's not because we don't have enough guns in our society. i mean, we have more guns than
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almost every other country. if the issue was more firearms and more places, which is what ollie north and the nra advocates for, we would live in the safest country on the planet. >> chris: i want to ask you one final question. gun control has generally not been a big -- pro gun control has not been a big voting issue in elections. oliver north said he is on a campaign to try to reassure politicians that being part or associated with the nra is a plus, not a knew minus. he wants to add a million more members/voters. do you think you can make pro gun control issues a voting -- key voting issue in this campaign? >> well, gun safety already is. we saw that in november in virginia. we're going to see this here in november. these kids from parkland who by the way ollie referred to as
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terrorists, i believe is what he said about them several weeks ago, i mean, these kids are motivated. they're smart. they're articulate and they're angry. and they have a right to be angry. the kids in santa fe -- i live 10 miles from that school for 1 15* years. those kids have a right to be angry about this and the alternative reality -- rex tillerson just gave a speech at vmi, a commencement speech, and he talked about how alternative realities are a threat to democracy. and i think what the nra is proposing is an alternative reality. >> chris: mark, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you. thank you for joining us today. and urg unfortunately we will sy on top of this important story. up next, steven mnuchin on talks to settle big differences between the u.s. and china. can the world's two biggest economies avoid a trade war? what's the value of capital?
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>> chris: china is showing some signs of compromise in talks with the u.s. but heading off a trade war that has kept the global markets on edge is still far from a done deal. joining us now, president trump's point man in the negotiations, treasury secretary steven mnuchin. mr. secretary, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you. it's great to be here with you. >> chris: after two long days of talks, thursday and friday, where are we on the one hand on china agreeing to buy $200 billion more of u.s. goods in return for the u.s. dropping tariffs on $150 billion of chinese goods? >> well, chris, i'm pleased to report that we've made very meaningful progress and we agreed on a framework, which is
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important to understand. and the framework includes their agreement to substantially reduce the trade deficit by increasing their purchases of goods. we also discussed very important structural issues that they're going to make in their economy to make sure that we have a fair ability to compete there. and also protections about technology, which have been very important to the president. >> chris: but china and one of the big things the president has said is he wants them to reduce the deficit by $200 billion, by $200 billion more of u.s. goods. they reportedly refused to agree to that specific target. there's nothing about a specific target in the statement. one, have they refused to agree to a target and is there still the possibility of a trade war? >> well, chris, we're putting the trade war on hold. so right now we have agreed to put the tariffs on hold while we try to execute the framework. the president has been very clear since the first meeting
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with president xi, that we are going to reduce the trade deficit. we have a an agreement with china that they will substantially agree to it. i would just comment that ultimately these are not government to government transactions. it's not a giant purchase order with us. we are immediately going to follow this up with secretary ross going there, with very hard commitments in agriculture where we expect to see a very big increase, 35% to 40% increases in agriculture this year alone. in energy, doubling the energy purchases. i think that you could see 50, $60 billion a year of energy purchases over the next three to five years. and strategically that's very important for us and very important for them. >> chris: just to lock down two points, sir, one, no specific target of $200 billion? >> chris, we have specific targets. i'm not going to publicly disclose what they are. they go industry by industry. as i said, not only do we have targets but ultimately this is
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about industry being able to have hard contracts and deliver these goods. >> chris: and as far as the president's threat first of $50 billion in tariffs on chinese goods and $150 billion, those are all on hold? >> they are. the president had a very productive meeting with the vice premier in the oval office with all of us and the vice president. he heard these commitments himself. and he can always decide to put the tariffs back on if china doesn't go through with their commitments. >> chris: president trump shocked a lot of people this week when he tweeted this. president xi of china and i are working together to give massive chinese company zte a way to get back into business fast. too many jobs in china lost. the trump administration has banned u.s. companies from selling components to zte. the president indicated that perhaps he would be willing to end that ban, which resulted in
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this exchange. take a look. >> president xi asked me to look at it. i said i would look at it. but anything we do with zte is always-it's just a small component of the overall deal. >> president trump bemoneys too many jobs in china lost. what about american jobs? >> chris: the issue with zte is that they violated our sanctions for selling goods to iran and north korea. is zte part of these trade talks and is president trump willing to relax the ban on u.s. companies selling components to zte? >> chris, i don't know why anybody is surprised about this. let me give you the facts. president xi asked president trump to look into this. that's not a surprise. president trump often asks other leaders to look into things that are important to our companies. the president asked secretary ross to look into it, okay, and that's what secretary ross --
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this is an enforcement issue. it's not trade issue. we didn't agree to any idea pro quo secretary ross will make sure the enforcement issue is in. but in a way that's good for american companies and i'm not going to go through the discussions on the enforcement issue. that was completely independent of our trade negotiations. >> chris: but we just had the sound bite of president trump saying it's a small component of the overall deal. he seems to be linking zte with the trade talks. >> again, the president asked us to look into it as part of the delegation and that's what we did. i can assure you and you know i'm very involved in all the sanctions issues myself, i can assure you that whatever changes we make to the enforcement issue on zte, we will be protecting american technology, american jobs, and make sure that the secretary is comfortable with enforcement. but this is an enforcement issue. i can assure you the president wants us to be very tough on zte
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and all he did was ask the secretary to look into this. >> chris: okay. president trump also suggested that president xi, chinese president xi, may be using his leverage with kim jong un relative to a summit to get a better trade deal with the u.s. take a look. >> it could very well be that he's influencing kim jong un. we'll see what happens. meaning the president of china, president xi, could be influencing kim jong un. >> chris: the president has suggested before that if xi is helpful with regard to north korea, then he, that president trump, might go easier on china on a trade deal. is the whole issue of a trump/kim summit and president xi's conceivable role in that, is that part of trade talks. >> it is only part of trade talks in the sense that i had very direct conversation was the vice premier. i'm responsible for sanctions. and i have a commitment from
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them that they are going to continue to enforce the sanctions that are in place and this is very important. china has the same objective as we do. they want to get rid of the nuclear weapons. >> chris: we're not going easier on china in the trade talks to try to get xi's help for a summit? >> i don't think we're going easy on the trade talks at all. i think for the first time -- okay, many presidents haven't dealt with this issue. president trump dealt with this issue. he threatened to put on $150 billion of tariffs. we have a very good framework agreement that is not just about buying goods. it's about structural changes. it's about lowering tariffs. china has committed to lower tariffs on many things and make structural changes and protect our technology. these are very important issues for the u.s. economy and now we're going to make sure that this gets implemented. >> chris: as if you didn't have enough on your plate, there's also nafta, our negotiations, the effort to renegotiate a trade deal with canada and
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mexico and there are reports or speculation that prospects for a deal are diminishing after the administration missed a deadline this past week that had been set by house speaker paul ryan for getting a deal done. what are the chances that nafta will be renegotiated and it will be passed by congress this year? >> the president is more determined to have a good deal than he's worried about any deadline. whether we pass it in this congress or if we pass it in the new congress, the president is determined that we renegotiate nafta. that's something we're doing. i can tell you, i've been in contact with the finance ministers in both canada and mexico. president trump and true dough d a good conversation last week. we're working to renegotiate the agreement. >> chris: you're suggesting the president is not setting any kind of deadline and might be willing to let this spill over into 2019. >> i'm not saying he's willing to let it spill over.
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he has alternatives. i'm saying right now we're focused on negotiating a good deal and we're not focused on specific deadlines. i can tell you that we're working around the clock on these negotiations with canada and mexico. we're far apart. but our objective is still to get a deal. >> chris: secretary mnuchin, thank you. thanks for your time. you've got a lot on your plate. >> very busy. don't forget iran sanctions which we're also very focused on, chris. >> chris: i actually wanted to ask you about that. please come back and we'll discuss that as well. coming up, kim jong un threatens to cancel the singapore summit and president trump says kim can stay in power if he makes a deal. we'll discuss where things stand with senator lindsey graham, next. i'm very proud of the fact that i served. i was a c130 mechanic in the corps, so i'm not happy unless my hands are dirty. between running a business and four kids, we're busy. auto insurance, homeowner's insurance, life insurance policies. knowing that usaa will always have my back...
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>> chris: north korea is making good on its reputation for being unpredictable. now threatening to back out of next month's planned summit between kim jong un and president trump. so what should we make of the diplomatic gamesmanship. joining me, senator lindsey graham, a key member of the
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senate armed services committee. north korea suggested this week that they may not show up in singapore for the summit. are they playing us? >> i don't know. but they're making a mistake. if they don't show up, that means diplomacy has failed and president trump is intent on calling on north korea within the first term. that puts us back on a path to conflict. i.i talked to the president. he's not going to be played. they're trying to run out the clock. they have a record of promising to give up their nuclear weapons. in reality, they build up their weapons of they've done this for 30 years. it's going to end one way or another by 2020. >> chris: and you've also said that if they do show up, have the summit and then don't make a deal, that that's dangerous as well. >> well, that ends diplomacy. the last thing you want is for diplomacy to be ended or to have
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a meeting with president trump and you continue to play him because they've done that for 30 years. trump's not obama. he's not going to tolerate that. he wants a win-win. we're not out to replace kim jong un. we're not trying to reunify the peninsula. we're not trying to spread democracy to north korea. we're trying to get them to give up the nuclear weapons program and end the korean war. if they show up and try to play trump, that means military conflict is the only thing left and if we have a conflict with north korea, they will lose it, not us. >> chris: i want to be clear here. you do talk to the president a lot. you said you talked to him two or three days ago. has he said to you if they don't get a deal, a diplomatic deal to end north korea's nuclear program that he is going to use military efforts against north korea, against the kim regime? >> he says he's going to end this conflict within his first term. that every other president has
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been played. they've done every agreement known to man, bilateral agreements. they promised to give up their weapons. they back out and they build up their weapons program. there's no place to kick the can. president trump told me three days ago that he wants to end this in a win-win way. he thinks that's possible. but if they pull out, they play him, we're going to end north korea's threat to the american homeland in his first term and i'll let you surmise as to what that might look like. >> chris: you just heard treasury secretary mnuchin talk about trade negotiations with china. here was the president this week. >> i can only tell you this. we're going to come out fine with china. hopefully china's going to be happy. i think we will be happy. >> chris: any concern that president trump is too much of in a hurry for a deal with china either to score a political win or to try to satisfy xi to help
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broker the kim/trump summit? >> i think it's smart to engage china on trade abuses and it would also be smart to get them more involved in trying to help us with north korea. so we finally got some leverage now with china. everything before trump didn't work. being quiet, not disturbing north korea. we've engaged them like 20 times in the last 20 or 30 years. nobody's ever really pushed back against china. north korea wants to wait trump out. they're going to try to nickel and dime the president. they're going to give a little bit, take a lot. they're going to play china against the united states. none of that is going to work. they're trying to run the clock out. they understand our electoral system. the only thing i can tell you after talking to president trump three days ago, china and north korea have a chance to end the conflict in a win-win fashion and if it doesn't end soon, it's going to be a real mess and if there's a war, it will be in
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china's backyard, not ours. >> chris: i want to continue on this question of china and a trade, because let's talk about zte which i was discussing with treasury secretary mnuchin. it's not just that they violated u.s. sanctions against companies doing business with iran and north korea as you well know, there are also concerns that zte is a national security threat to this country. so when you hear president trump talk about, well, maybe we need to reduce some of our sanctions against zte, does that concern you? >> yes. i think president trump's going to -- is a good negotiator. we're not going to withdraw our troops as part of the deal with north korea because that's been stabilizing. as to zte, continuing to do business with them as normal, that would be a real backlash in congress if that were on the table because this is a chinese run company that's up to no good. where are we? we're at the table with china about leveling out trade
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imbalances. we're talking about a summit with the north korean leader, directly with the president of the united states. the only reason we are where we are is because president trump has tried something new. he's approaching this issue from strength, not weakness. he wants a good deal. north korea could come out of this thing just fine. but if they play trump, if they try to nickel and dime trump, if they try to run out the clock on president trump, then we're going to have a conflict and it's going to be in his first term. i'm highly confident of that. there is no other place to kick the can. we let it get too bad for too long and president trump is going to end this problem with north korea one way or the other and he should. >> chris: all right. finally, the russia investigation and i want to take you back to a tweet that president trump put out on thursday. here it is. wow, word seems to be coming out that the obama fbi spied on the trump campaign with an embedded informant. if so, bigger than watergate. there have been several reports
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since then, there was no mole inside the campaign but as the fbi became increasingly worried about possible links with russia, it had a fellow, apparently an american professor based in england, talk to several members of the trump campaign, particularly in the foreign policy area. does that bother you? >> yeah, it bothers me that there may be an informant in one of the campaigns, unless there's a good reason. all i can tell you is the dossier compiled by mr. steele that was given to the justice department where they obtained a warrant against carter page, somebody inside the trump orbit, was a bunch of political garbage. it was not well-vetted and that's -- >> chris: let me ask you. what we're talking about here is not a mole inside the campaign but asking somebody outside the campaign to make efforts to reach out to carter page, to george papadopoulos, apparently to sam clovis to try to find out
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what they were doing with the russians. do you think that's a problem? >> i think this whole area is a problem. let me tell you why. the department of justice used a document prepared by a foreign agent, paid for by a political party to obtain a fisa warrant and never told the court. if they were using somebody to engage the trump campaign, was there judicial oversight? 24tsomebody's got to watch those who watch us. senator grassley sent a letter asking questions about this. all i'm intent on letting mr. mueller do his job. i want to make sure that the fbi, the department of justice did not try to in their own way change the outcome of the election. did they use techniques and tactics approved by the court or did they just make this up themselves? i don't know. >> chris: i've got less than a minute left. rudy guliani was back at it again this week, attacking the special council investigation. here he is. >> if you're going to write an
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unfair report, write it and we will combat it. we're ready to rip it apart. and we're ready to rip them apart if that's what they want. >> chris: do you think rudy guliani is helping or hurting the president? >> i think he's showing a determination to push back and aggressively defend his client. with rudy it's a little bit of both. i would like to have rudy on my team if i were the president because he's pretty good at talking to the american people. he has a reputation as a solid prosecutor. let mr. mueller do his job and see what's there and let the trump people rip into it and we'll figure out as a country whether or not there's anything there. i haven't seen any evidence of collusion by the president. but time will tell. >> chris: senator graham, thank you. thanks for sharing part of your weekend with us. always good to talk to you. let's both hope we never need a good lawyer. >> let's hope so. >> chris: up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to break down year one of the mueller investigation and what to expect
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we would want to know what is it that you want clarified, if we knew that and if they told us that if we gave the explanation they were proposing, we're going to end it, fine. >> chris: rudy guliani going on tv to negotiate the terms under which his client would sit for an interview with the special council. it's time now for our sunday group. fox news senior political analyst brit houme back after a long time on the beach. welcome back. wanda williams, jane hai harmond josh holmes, mitch mcconnells
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former chief of staff. first anniversary of the special council investigation, robert mueller, what do you think of the effort by hi the president d his team to try to end it and what do you make of the controversy about an apparent fbi informant who was asking questions of trump campaign officials. >> the aggressive approach is probably worth a try. i'm not sure it's going to work because the truth is, chris, for all the talk about there being some real accountability to hire authorities within the government, there frankly isn't. they frankly have a roaming commission. it seems to me that as a practical matter the special council is free to roam in every direction he wants and the fbi informant it's an interesting question. the question is this. did they actually have a basis in law to create this investigation in the first place. was it sufficient? was it shove to go t -- sufficio
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the lengths they've gone to, with the informants, the subpoenas, all they've done, it all hangs on a rather small thread which was this papadopoulos meeting that we've heard so much about. >> chris: former advisor george papadopoulos supposedly being told that the russians had dirt on hillary clinton. >> a man hardly at the center of the trump campaign. i think it comes down to that in the end. you say it's the first anniversary. it's really almost the second because it started as a counter-intelligence investigation under comey. then that was the thread that was picked up by mueller when he took over. >> chris: i want you to address this issue. originally there was speculation and then even the president tweeting about a mole planted inside the campaign. it now turns out that it was an american professor based in prin who reached out to a few members
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of the campaign to try to ask about relations with russia. >> you have an ongoing effort i think to undermine not only the mueller investigation but the intelligence organizations, the cia and fbi that started the counter-intelligence effort based on the idea that russia was interfering in an ongoing election. this changes nothing in terms of the substance. the president backed off the embedded stuff. at one point he said this was bigger that watergate. >> chris: he's talking about infiltration. >> yeah. it's the case that all three of the people we're discussing here, papadopoulos as brit mentioned and sam clovis, carter page, all met with this professor and all three are implicated in the russia probe. it doesn't change anything. i think what we have is an effort in advance of the likelihood that mueller's going to ask the president to testify under oath, to somehow diminish the quality of the investigation and the quality of the intelligence agencies that trip
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to it. >> chris: i want to turn to the other big story this week and that of course is the on again, off again, singapore summit between trump and kim. the north koreans saying not so fast and the president quite remarkably offering assurances to kim, if you make a deal with us, you can stay in power and your country will see untold riches from investment from the west. congresswoman harmon, what do you make of this. >> talking is better than bombing and i hope the talks are successful and i applaud president trump for making this his highest priority at the beginning of his administration, something that president obama did not do. and president trump tells us that all the time but it's true. obama did not do this. i'm dubious that this gets to a good place fast. this is going to take a long time for lots of reasons. one of which is it's not a slam dunk that the kim regime survives just because we say so, unless we're going to go to war to protect the kim regime, which i doubt. once the people of north korea
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understand that over 70 years tens of thousands have been in gulags and have been deprived of food, which is why they're three inches shorter of south koreans, in order to build the nuclear industry, so i don't know how that's going to go down. in addition to that, denuclearization doesn't mean the same thing to kim that it does to us. and i don't think we will or should give up our nuclear umbrella in asia which protects our allies. >> chris: what do you think if this doesn't go the way the president wants, what do you think of lindsey graham who really wanted to send a message today, one way or another, that this is going to end by 2020. >> well, 100 years ago world waa miscalculation and more people died than in any time in our history and i sure hope we don't go to war because president trump wants to fit this in a box of his first term. i think we august t ought to go, if we do, maybe we have to, i hope not, for the right reasons,
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not to meet a time clock. >> chris: after all of this week's developments involving the president, involving kim, involving china, how do you feel about a trump/kim summit? >> well, look, i think the notion that we would go from a nuclear showdown to peace in our time in a course of three months without any bumps in the road it pretty ridiculous. obviously we'll have setbacks here. i think if history is our guide, we'll have a lucy and a football moment with north korea where they retract some of the things they said they were going to go forward with and i think we'll have a lot of setbacks. >> chris: how do you think president trump is going to deal with that? he says if this doesn't work out in singapore, i'm going to walk out. does diplomacy continue them? >> i think he's been sir couple expect, how he apreached the wholapproached thewhole thing. he talked about if there's something to be done here, i'll be there. the moment there's not, i'll walk away.
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i think he's put for the first time in decades american foreign policy in a place where it's kind of a win-win here. if we get a diplomatic solution worth pursuing, we're there. if not, the world will see kim for what he is. >> remember this, for the longest time and for good reason, threats of force against north korea have been considered unimaginable not so much because they're an emerging nuclear power but because they have conventional weapons that could cause unspeakable destruction in the south, particularly around the south korean capital. so president trump by his rhetoric seems to me to have created in the mind of the north koreans the idea that he might just do it, which is a useful thing. that's what you want him to think going into a negotiation. >> chris: all right. well, this will be continued. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. up next, the power player of the
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>> chris: around this time of year, people get excited about the idea of another super horse, ready to take on the challenge of racing's triple crown. this spring there's a new contender trained by the most recognizable figure in horse racing. here's our power player of the week. >> this is justify. he is a big boy as you can see. >> chris: bob bafford introduced me to his latest kentucky derby winner thursday. just two days before they went for the preakness. he said the new star intimidates other horses and trainers before he even gets on the track. >> when they see him in the paddock, it's like the theme from jaws, you need a bigger boat, that's him. >> chris: the leading trainer took us inside the operation as
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justify went for a morning gallop. after a commanding win in the derby, he said the pressure was off. >> i feel more like relaxed, enjoying the moment, because you want to show your derby horse off to everybody. >> reporter: it had been raining for days and he wanted to make sure the horse got a safe ride on the sloppy track. >> i would stick to the middle, because it's deep out there. just backtrack just in the middle, go right to the middle and go. >> chris: as justify went for an easy gallop, bafford talked about his sport. >> you ask any golfer, have you ever won the masters, that's what the kentucky derby toys a horse trainer. >> chris: three years ago they won the first triple crown in 37 years with american pharaoh. he doesn't like to get ahead of himself but he said justify could do it again. >> he's got to win this one. we have the horse. look at him.
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>> chris: bafford is the face of horse racing, as personable he is successful. and the media cover his horses like movie stars on the red carpet. >> this horse they compare him with lebron james. he basically came out of high school and went to the nba. >> chris: he's referring to the fact justify went from his first race to winning the derby in 76 days. the first derby winner not to run as a 2-year-old since 1882. >> the horse brings you to the derby. you can't make it happen. and that's what this horse did. >> chris: he grew up on a ranch in arizona. as a kid, he rode in match races against another horse and jockey. >> i was 13, 14, and i was doing this. i loved it. the first thing my father would tell me, don't tell your mother. >> chris: he started training quarter horse as we found out on the track. >> when i came from the quarter horse world, we started out
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every sentence i tell you what, he's a good one, chris. he can fly. >> chris: his thorough breds have won more than $32 million. he's having the ride of his life. >> our stomachs are churning the day of the race. when those beautiful horses win, it's like this is what we're in it for and they just love to run. they're born to run. it's a privilege to be a horse trainer. it's a privilege to have a horse like justify. i'm one of the luckiest guys in the world. >> chris: bafford and justify took on the pee peek necessary y an here was the thrilling finish. >> justify, he's unstoppable! he won the preakness. >> chris: they are headed to new york and the belmont stakes in three weeks with a chance to win
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racing's triple crown. that's it for today. have a great week and we'll see you next fox news sunday. >> >> paul: welcome bo to the the l he'd toll yarthe journalthe jo"" this the one year anniversary of the mueller investigation. the probe has since expanded to cover everything from obstruction of justice to payment to an adult film star. president trump referenced the one year mark in a tweet, saying quote, congratulations, america, we are in the second year of the greatest witch hunt in american history and there is still

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