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and steph curry, golden state warriors, amazing game last night. sports is important part dumb i part of the culture. shannon is a huge sports fan. >> shannon: i am all about the college football, though, and i'm counting down the d >> laura: have a great show. >> shannon: thank you, laura. this is a fox news alert. breaking news on the inspector general probe into the clinton email controversy. plus rudy giuliani speaking out again on the president's pardon power. and senator lindsey graham revealing the latest on his inquiry into whether deputy attorney general rod rosenstein should recuse himself from a special counsel probe. we've got news on that. plus, some are calling it a huge supreme court win for religious freedom but othersoint out that the cake is not totally baked yet. tony perkins from the family research council tells us where the fight goes from here on religious freedom. after the justices decide that the baker who refused to create a custom wedding cake for the
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couple. and bill clinton's book tour is off to a rocky start after being asked questions about the me too movement and monica lewinsky. we have all the details. hello and welcome to "fox news @ night." i'm shannon bream in washington. the president's top outside counsel, rudy giuliani, standing by his comments on the president's ability to pardon himself if he so desires. also shedding new light on the memo about the donald trump jr. meeting in trump tower with a russian attorney. chief national correspondent ed henry is all over the details, breaking it down for us tonight. >> great to see you play the president trump's lead attorney trying to shut the door, though, on the idea he might try to pardon himself, even though he has that power he says, as george papadopoulos' wife is exclusively telling fox tonight just the opposite. she says it's time her husband gets some help from the president by the president is raising the stakes in this whole investigation by declaring a special counsel probe unconstitutional and he is the power to pardon himself if he wants, suggesting that there may
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be major clashes that had, not just with robert mueller but the congress and the supreme court. the president made clear he doesn't expect to pardon himself because he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. key trump advisors tell me an important part of this is what giuliani was doing when he discussed this on the sunday tv talk show circuit with the president's blessing. he signaling to mueller there is still a chance on a one-on-one interview but only if the questions are limited and a warning shot, too, just be night atal counsel wants to issue a subpoena to compel the testimony of the president, get ready for a battle in court by the president tonight offered a combative tone, he did a phone call with the minnesota republican party tonight celebrating what he calls the accomplishments of his first 50. he said the russia probe is a witch hunt and that mueller's investigation is not even constitutional. giuliani tonight he said again the president is not going to pardon himself but papadopoulos' wife told tucker carlson her husband should be pardoned. watch.
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>> i know he did an excellent job. because of this his freedom is challenged. so i trust and hope that president trump will pardon him. >> the pardon power is comete and there is no limitation on i it. would somebody impose a practical limitation on it? absolutely. the practical limitation would be suicide rates because that's a political limitation. the practical one is you don't pardon in the case of an impeachment and that is what he will do. >> he won't do it. >> >> good. >> pardon doesn't get you off of impeachment. >> this battle comes in the conduct of an extraordinary 20 page memo sent to the special counsel back in january by two of the presidents attorneys, john dowd who is out, and jay sekulow, who is diligent, asserting the president won't obstruct justice because the he has the power to shut down these investigations would he want to.
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the memo suggest that the president dictated a misleading statement about donald trump jr. 2016 meeting at trump tower thrushes, conflicting with what sarah sanders aside, and what jay sekulow said on some sunday talk shows, that he minimized the president's role in drafting the statement. giuliani is dismissing that tonight is a small miscue by jay sekulow. democrats pushing hard on that tonight. >> shannon: they are digging in on that part of the story. thank you very much. new tonight, special counsel accusing forr trump campaign chairman paul manafort of attempting to tamper with witnesses. manafort is pleading not guilty to a slew of federal crimes stemming from his past lobbying work for ukrainian politicians. meanwhile, the white house says the president does not have to pardon himself because he has done nothing wrong. let's bring a nelson cunningham, former white house general counsel under president clinton, and can cook us become a senior firth libera. welcome, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> shannon: let's talk about is pardon power idea. jonathan turley, professor who
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is very familiar to the fox audience, on quite a bit, says the language of article two is quite explicit to, giving the president a pardon power over federal offenses with the only exemption related to impeachment. donald trump can certainly make a good-faith textual case for the right to self pardon. that doesn't mean it's a great idea politically or the optics of it but at least professor turley thinks there is an argument on the text, it would be legal. >> i think it could be legal. this is one of those constitutional rabbit holes that we could spend months and months pursuing. even years. i, frankly, don't believe the special counsel mueller world decide to go down the constitutional rabbit hole. the only reason we have to worry about the president pardoning himself for the criminal sense is if robert mueller tries to indict him. there are not many legal scholars who think that an indictment of the president is likely. however, if mr. mueller recommends impeachment, the
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constitution is absolutely clear. the president's power to pardon, it says, "except in cases of impeachment." so if trump can pardon himself and a criminal case, but i don't think that will be relevant here, because mueller is not likely to indict him criminally. impeachment, he can't. >> shannon: impeachment is a different valve than the constitution provided for lawmakers. if they are unhappy about something the president does and feel it rises to the level, they have the option for addressing that. richard, another legal scholar and professor says, "i think it's pretty clear there is a right answer, and that answer is self pardon should not be regarded as valid, a power to self pardon would violate the basic rule as law principle that no person should be allowed to adjudicate his own case." what do you think? >> shannon, i agree there is a rabbit hole. the reality is there a two limits on the pardon power. one is legal. that is that the constitution says you can't do it for impeachment. the other is political.
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rudy is right, the president would never pardon himself. but the joke here, and the underlying part here, the president doesn't need to pardon himself, because the president hasn't done anything wrong. if mueller wants to probe questions or conversations between the president and the attorney general, that is categorically covered by executive privilege. beyond that, the president is the unitary executi you can talk with any of the subordinates about how they exercised his power, the president's power, anytime he wants and there's nothing criminal about that. third, as the office of legal counsel, the elite legal team for the u.s. government and the justice department, as they upheld both under republican presidents, richard nixon, and democratic presidents, bill clinton, the uniform consensus is that a sitting president ce indicte obstruction of justice or any other federal crime. so this is not going to happen and nor should it happen because the president has not done anything illegal.
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>> shannon: he and his legal team both are adamant on that point. let me ask you both very quickly, a number of legal scholars had to say there is no way the framers could have intended that someone could have become the most powerful man in america, then commit crimes and excuse himself. they are not talking about the specific case but they are saying, that idea that he could makes no sense. i want you both quickly to weigh in. nelson, i will start with you. >> that would be an extraordinary situation. we have not had to face that in our country at. whether a president could be indicted after his presidency for things that occurred during his presidency, the supreme court has not ruled that out. that could be possible. >> shannon: ken, quickly to you. >> i agree that post office prosecutions are possible. but yeah, it comes back to a political reality. it is like the constitution says, you can't cut judges pay, what if congress were to refuse to pay any salary for federal judges?
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what would we do? it is once those constitutional imponderables that we never have to face because the political reality would never let it happen. it won't happen. >> shannon: somehow, they end up on the law school exams, the questions. it may never happen. >> it is how law school professors feel good about themselves. >> shannon: noticed other how they drive us insane. nelson and ken, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> shannon: calling for a tough deal, are democrats adjusting the north korea talks or more peerless than the negotiations president obama had with iran? kristin fisher is here and with kim jong un's shake-up of his top generals just days before the summit is scheduled to. >> their two way to look at kim jong un's firing of top military officials, days before the summit. in one hand, this could be good for the u.s. because he replaces them with people who are loyal to him, people who might be open to accept the massive changes that would have to come if he strikes a deal with president trump. but the other way to look at it
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is this may be a sign of just how much the north korean military opposes a deal with the u.s., and that could limit how far kim jong un is willing to go in terms of giving up his nuclear weapons. kim jong un is cleaning house, courting south korea's news agency, elevating three of his most loyal officers ahead of next week's summit. the white house says president trump is preparing by receiving daily briefings with national security teams while negotiations continue in the dmz and singapore. >> the advanced team in singapore is finalizing logistical prepara and will remain in place until the summit begins. i can also tell you theule for -- tentatively -- for that first meeting, will be, on june 12th at 9:00 a.m. singapore ti take place june 11th, 9:00 p.m. east coast time. >> it's been three days since kim jong un's number two hand delivered a letter from his boss to president trump. but the contents of that letter are still a mystery. >> i'm not going to get into the
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specifics of the letter but as the president said, they were interesting, and we feele things are continuing to move forward. topeak about before the president takes off for singapore, today, the senate's top democrats sentiment later. they want the white house to include congress and on its plans before the negotiations begin. they also want to make clear that anyl that does not require the complete denuclearization of north korea is a bad deal. >> president needs to be willing to take time to construct a good deal. and if he finds that one is not achievable, the president must be willing to walk away from the table. >> in the letter, senate democrats say in order to earn their support, north korea must agree to dismantle and remove all of the nuclear chemical and biological weapons, it must and the production and enrichment of uranium and utm, for military purposes, suspend all of their ballistic missile tests, and eliminate the ballistic missile program. they must commit to anywhere, anytime compliance inspections,
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and finally, the deal must be permanent. >> if the deal does not live up to the standards,n the president should not expect democratic support and the senate if he tries to lift sanctions to implement an agreement. >> remember when president trump fired rex tillerson and h.r. mcmaster in march? since then, so many people coult believe that he would do that with the north koreans negotiations on the line. kim jong un has fired his top three milit officers with just days to go, so,f one thing is certain, shannon, it is that nothing is certain with leaders this unpredictable. shannon? >> shannon: right you are. kristin fisher, thank you very much. from north korea to russia, our next guest is in the center of it a most rec deputy attorney general rod rosenstein on whether he should recuse himself from a special counsel probe. republican senator lindsey graham sits on the senate arms security and do chair committees. welcome. >> thank you very much. >> shannon: let's talk about the letter you sent on may 31st
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that you sent to the deputy attorney general. the three questions, do you consider yourself a potential witness in the mueller investigation regarding the firing of comey by president trump? if not, why not, and if so, should you recuse yourself from further investigations within the mueller investigation? >> no, i haven't. why did i write the letter? "the new york times" reported that mr. mccabe, the former number two at the fbi, that he turned over a memo he wrote about the dismissal of mr. comey regarding rosenstein's involvement. what does that tell us? it tells us that if you will do an obstruction of justice investigation, the president regarding comey's firing, then you have to talk to rosenstein because it was his memo the president used to justify the firing. in other words, you can't oversee an investigation where you will be a witness in that investigation. >> shannon: want to be our end goal? should he not be part of this investigation? if not, what happens? >> why he should be allowed to continue, i have a simple goal,
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played by the book. let mueller do his thing, stay within the confines of his charter, when it comes to looking at going to an email investigation, and the fbi fisa warranty scandal, i don't think rosenstein can make a good on there because he signed the warrant application to get the fisa warranty based on the dossier prepared by a foreign agent paid for by the democratic party. rosenstein is a fine man but i'm trying to be the rule of law guy here. if you believe that mueller should be allowed to do his investigation without interference, which i do, then how can you leave rosenstein in charge of that investigation if he is in fact the witness? wires not sessions running this investigation? because he was part of the campaign. i don't believe anyone in the america board except sessions overseeing an investigation of a campaign he was involved in. here's a question for rosenstein. how can you oversee an investigation where you are the key witness? >> shannon: you don't give them a deadline, but what is your expectation for following up or getting some sort of
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answer? >> sooner rather than later. based on the news reporting and based on what i know about the case, i can't believe you want to be a witness inobstustice investigation regarding firing comey. the question is a simple one. if you are going to be a witness or potentially going to be a witness, how can you manage an investigation? i don't think you can. i'm noenging his character, not challenging his good intentions, i'm challenging whether or not he legally can go forward and oversee the mueller investigation. >> shaon: you say the mueller investigation can continue and you say if the president fired him, it would be beginning of the end, world war iii. you are not saying they should stop, you are saying that rosensteins not of a proper role. let us know what you hear from him. >> i think it's important that he clears it up for the country. he legally cannot oversee an investigation where he is a key witness. >> shannon: let me ask you, there's a lot of speculation about the inspector general report coming out within days, potentially. do you think it is going to answer questions, give people
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clarity on certain issues and key players or do you think it will provoke a whole another round of speculation? >> i don't think the inspector general's report is an adequate substitute for a special counsel to look at whether or not the department of justice improperly obtained a fisa warrant by using a paid informant by the democratic party, a foreign agent, to go to russia and collect information against candidate trump. i don't believe the fbi inspector general can tell us all we need to know about the fbi agents in charge of the clinton email investigation because he does not have access to all the witnesses. i'm sure he'll do a good job. but how does rosenstein make a good decision about whether or not there should be a special counsel looking at doj corruption, fbi misdeeds, if he was one of the people asking for the fisa warrant? i don't know how in the world he has an objective view of that because he was one of the people asking the courts to issue the warrant. >> shannon: who should be worried about the upcoming ig report?
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>> i think the top level of the fbi, mccabe needs to be bored, comey needs to be worried committees two fbi agents who work in the tank for clinton and he did trump, and at the end of the day, what have we found is the two fbi agents involved in looking at the clinton email investigation had a thumb on the scale. for clinton against trump. we also see a warrant issued by federal court based in a dossier prepared by a foreign agent paid for by the democratic party, used to obtain a warrant against carter page, part of the trump campaign, and rosenstein was in that chain of events. let mueller do his job but for god sakes, there is not one democrat in the country worried about the fisa abuse here, not one democrat worried about the fact that two fbi agents in charge of the investigation clearly were in the tank for the person they were investigating? >> shannon: we'll get a look at that report soon and we'll see who does potentially have something to worry about more concretely in the form of an indictment. in the meantime, senator, great
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to have you without us. thank you for coming in. the supreme court ruled in favor of the baker who declined to create a custom wedding cake for a same-sex couple. some say big deal, others argue it is not. it leaves some questions, we'll try to answer them. joining us live, tyler deaton of the american unity fun tony perkins of the family research council. stay with us. ♪ it's just a burst pipe, i could fix it. (laugh)
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>> shannon: in one of the remaining blockbuster cases facing the supreme court this term, the justices handed a christian baker a win by a 7-2 margin after he declined to make a custom cake for a gay couple t it has left some unanswered questions. >> the legal team for colorado baker jack phillips is celebrating today. after a seven i could do supreme court opinion, holding that phillips never got a fair shake when he was sued by the gay couple after declining to create a cake. writing for the majority, justice kennedy noted that at least one of the colorado commissioners who are the original complaint like into phillips' explanation and
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religious belief to those who supported slavery and the holocaust. "this sentiment is inappropriate for commission charge with a solemn responsibility of a fair and neutral enforcement of colorado's antidiscrimination law." kennedy pointed out that a number of the statements imply that "religious beliefs and persons are less than fully welcomed and colorado's business community." kennedy noted that the broader legal issues are far from settled, and must be done so with tolerance for both sides. leaving lgbt advocates with mixed feelings. >> we are certainly disappointe that the supreme court found in this narrow set of circumstances in favor of the baker. but what is important here is the supreme court in no way undermined our nation's civil rights laws. >> the couple at the center of the caves, charlie craig and dave mullins, say, "today's decision means our fight against discrimination and unfair treatment will continue.
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we will continue fighting until no one does." and justice ginsburg's dissent, joined by justice sotomayor, she found it irrelevant that phillips sold cakes and cookies to gay and lesbian customers, adding, "i see no reason by the comments of one or two commissioners could should be taken to overcome phillips refusal to sell a wedding cake." >> shannon: took a big decisions dealing with two hot button issues, religious freedom, and abortion for underaged teens in the u.s. illegally. let's talk about the political impact with tyler deaton, senior advisor of the american unity fund and tony perkins, president of the family research council. gentlemen, welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> shannon: obviously, justice kennedy pointed back to those comments by commissioner at the lowest level who was the first to look at this case. likening the bacon or don mike baker's religious convictions to people who supported slavery or to nazis, that was enough for
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them to say come on that basis alone, he should not of been subjected to that discrimination against his religious beliefs. >> that attitude is out of balance and since then, that commissioner is noongern the colorado civil rights commission. i think what it points to is, those were hurtful statements to make about people of faith. i think there are a lot of lgbt americans who are also hearing sometimes hurtful things said about them, and i think that all of us is pointing to the need for us to come together, come and find some sort of a middle ground, where people of faith and lgbt people can both be respected by the laws and can be out on the free marketplace doing their business and know that they are free to pursue their american dream regardless of their values are regardless of who they are married to. >> shannon: today, justice kennedy, he acknowledged that the courts have to decide the meat of this case, he said there has to be tolerance on both sides for people with genuine religious beliefs and as you said, for people who are gay and lesbian, who want to be in
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commerce and business. he said it will be a delicate question to answer. we know on thursday, and a private conference, they will consider the case for washington's florists, who basically has been put in ruin by what she has faced, a long-timeusmer of hers came to her and said, i wanted to do the flowers for my same-sex wedding, she declined. three others, actually. the fact that they will consider that case says that the court issue is not decided. >> without question. nobodyhould be surprised by this, shannon. three years ago, and then a case -- >> shannon: which legalized same-sex marriage. >> right. justice alito said that this will lead to the vilification of those who refuse to ascend to the new orthodoxy. so we are seeing this. this is exactly with the colorado so-called civil rights commission did, and that was in the obama era, when it was open season on christians, and to be great if people would get along but that is not going to
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happen because of a court decision. it will happen because people decide that, hey, people have different views on this, but what we are seeing the wedding vendors, le jack phillips, is that these activist, lgbt activists, are targeting them to make examples out of them. as long as that is occurring, these things will be challenged, you will see people of faith pushing back and it will be in the courts, and you are right. under the roberts court, they have had very narrow decisions with limited application of their decisions, so this is not surprising. but this thing is going to be back before the courts and you're right, it could be decided thursday. they will be looking at the florist case. >> shannon: something tells me, if they vote yes on this, justice kennedy won't go anywhere. i think he would like to stick around or be a part of the consideration of a case if they move forward. i want to ask you all about something that has flown under the radar. we've been following the case of underage illegal women who come across the border, here in the states, and seeking an abortion. the aclu and other groups have
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rallied for them to say it should matter where they are, they should get help with these abortions, whether they are here illegally or not. today, the supreme court vacated the lower court ruling that essentially said, yes, the administration has to help them with that, or when they are in federal custody, it has to be allowed. but it's moot because the young woman who was at the center of that case did get an abortion. the aclu says they want to stop fighting on this. two sides have waited for the department of justice said, "we are please with the supreme court's decision that set aside a lower court's decision." the supreme court as her. we made clear that the federal government is not required to sevilla state abortions for minor. naral says "every woman i want to get a reaction for both of you. tyler, i will start with you. >> this is really interesting. i think that my organization, because we are conservative group that does advocate for
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lgbt issues, i think that a lot of people end up wondering if we are working on other social issues, and how we feel about these other things. i have to tell you, this is something i'm not an expert on. but i do think that here, it's important to take a full and consistent pro-life position. it wasn't until the last year that our government began to detain pregnant undocumented women. i think that at the core of this, we are detaining pregnant undocumented women. we should reverse that policy. i think the most pro-life thing that we could do right now and this has been advocated by the catholic bishops, southern baptist convention, we should not be detaining pregnant women, and we wouldn't have this problem to begin with. >> shannon: tony kim a part of the problem that stems from these cases, these are minors, in many cases, this leads officials with no other choice. your reaction? >> first off, i commend the department of justice, we've been working with them on this. they were working very diligently to find sponsors for
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some of these unaccompanied minors. this is still an issue. it's ongoing. other courts, i think there is concern that they will be forced to facilitate these abortions it in other cases. i think this court decision is a very good one. i look for the justice department to make most of this because this is an administration that is very committed to upholding the sanctity of human life, all human life, regardless of what side of the border, tracks, it's conceived on. i think this is a good decision. i look forward to the department of justice making the most of it. >> shannon: tony and tyler, thank you both are a very respectful, thorough conversation on these two hot cases. thank you, both. >> thank you. >> thanks, shannon. >> shannon: on the eve of the california primary, golden state's residents are worried about more than just about who will be the next governor. california is facing tough new water restrictions. will they have to choose between showering and doing their laundry? trace gallagher will fact-check. oregon center jeff merkley tries to prove how bad it is for
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>> shannon: new tonight, th presidents announcing the philadelphia eagles will not be visiting the white house tomorrow to celebrate their super bowl victory, due to the national anthem controversy. the ego, who won super bowl lii, apparently wanted to send a smaller group of players, handful did not plan to attend. it appears the president said, no thanks. the president said he will host a different event for a thousand fans, "one that will honor our great country, pay tribute to the heroes who fight to protect it, and loudly and proudly play the national anthem." it is the biggest mentor primary day so far this cycle. tomorrow, voters in eight states had to the polls. california, mississippi, alabama, iowa, montana, new jersey, new mexico, and south dakota.
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the races include four senate seats, four gubernatorial races, and nine of the most competitive house districts in the country. a lot of the attention is focused on california's jungle primary. the crowded field of democrats trying to flip the g.o.p. seats. always in the backdrop, california's far left policies. trace gallagher is here. we weren't sure these were real. we believe might get to you to set it straight. >> crazy new role. for 41 years, unions have been allowed to collect dues from public employees without their permission even if they are not union members, it is called fair share fees. it's to make sure's to make sure that employees who benefit from union representation don't get a free ride. a few years back, an illinois state employee did not want to pay dues because he did not agree with the union's political activities so he sued claiming his first amendment rights were being violated. the supreme court is such a rule on that case and california public unions are betting the court will come down against fair share fees, which could be a serious financial blow.
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so the unions are backing a series of bills in california to help them hold onto their members, including bills that would give unions time to contact worke, and try to change the minds of those who no longer want to pay union dues. you know, a little bit of convincing. and other bills that would prohibit government agencies from publicly disclosing information about new employee orientation, which critics say is simply a way to prevent antiunion activists from contacting new employees before they sign up to pay their union dues. separately, to help fight future droughts in california, they now have some new laws were limited in how much water you can use. it will start with an indoor maximum of 55 gallons per day, per person. in 2025, that goes down to about 52.5 gallons, and 50 gallons by 2030. here is what one mom has to say. watch. >> i get edge. i understand we are trying to preserve, but 55 gallons a day,
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with a child, and everyday having to wash cloth, in my opinion, that that is not feas. >> it gets better. before he leaves office, california governor jerry b wants a sizable tax on drinking water. the first in-state history. brown says it will be used to clean up water systems, it would run each person about2 books a year in business is a lot more than that. of course, california has the highest estate tax, sales tax, gas tax, 58% voters are against taxing drinking water. finally, some san diego parents have been holding their sixth-graders out of school because they are not happy with the sex ed curriculum, which covers gender identity, stages of response, and a male reproductive crossword puzzle. school district says, "it is absolutely appropriate for our students but parents are welcome to have their kids opt out if they choose." shannon? >> shannon: i like a good crossword puzzle. could be a good learning tool.
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>> [laughs] >> shannon: okay. thank you very much. >> okay, sure. >> shannon: the trump administration has warned that illegal migrant children will be separated from those of they are suspected of smuggling them across the border. senator jeff merkley, a democrat from oregon, decided to go to a detention center, holding illegal miners in texas to prove he they are being treated inhumanely. he was reportedly given permission to visit two specific facilities. we believe you want to at least one of those and then he showed up at a third with cameras rolling. >> the first room had a series of cages that looked a lot like dog kennels, in which people had recently arrived and had been put into them. they were v crowded. >> shannon: tonight, the white house and senator merkley was irresponsibly spreading blatant lies about routine immigration enforcement. bill clinton on a book tour that is novel, a progressive senator getting impeached by conservative house, not what grabbing headlines.
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empowering women and his orbit. but he became noticeably defensive when asked if he should have resigned or how he handled his affair with then 22-year-old intern monica lewinsky. >> i dealt with it 20 years ago plus, and to the american people stayed with me, and i have tried to do a duke a good job since then with my life and with my work. that is ve to say. >> shannon: a fox news contributor and distinguished fellow at partner colleges athena center for leadership. along with derek hunter, contributing editor at "the daily caller." welcome to you both. >> thanks for having us. >> shannon: i want to play more of what president clinton had to say during his interview with nbc news. >> i felt terrible then. and i can -- >> did you ever apologize? >> yes. nobody believes that i got out
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of that for free. i left the white house $16 million in debt to. >> shannon: you know monica lewinsky has spoken out on this as well, and she said my whole life has been destroyed with how this turned out. it looks like president clinton has rebounded pretty well. >> well, i mean, definitely, i think that he was very flustered and floundering and even surprised at these questions today, shannon. that was surprising to me. what was even more surprising was just his lack of empathy. this coming from someone whose ability to connect with people and be empathetic was the stuff of legend, political legend. i think there is no doubt he should make an attempt, if she would allow it, to privately apologize to monica lewinsky. he had an opportunity this morning, in this interview, to live up to what this me too
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movement is about, to have some reflection and some regret, and he really -- he did not live up to that moment. that was surprising. >> shannon: i want to play a little bit what joe lockhart, former white house press secretary, said about his impression of this interview. >> i think in that moment, you are seeing donald trump a little bit. i'm not comparing them on any other mark other level beyond the terrible strategy it is to e himself, you, the issue here, and to be victimized. he was not the victim then. donald trump is not the victim now. >> shannon: derek? speak it was very interesting to hear the people i remember telling me that this was no big deal after eight months of telling me it didn't happen, now come out and change their tune. a testament to the fact that the clintons have lost their political cachet, aside from private fund-raisers, nobody wants to hit the campaign trail with them. the idea of bill clinton
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apologizing, though, 20 years later, is a sign of the times. it's clear he wouldn't mean edge. he said in that clip you play that he did apologize and then when pressed whee would apologize to monica lewinsky, he said he didn't, but then he made it about himself and he left the white house $16 million in debt. he left the white house $16 million in debt because he lied about his affair during a sexual harassment case and tried to obstruct justice. so it's a self-inflicted wound. by the way, he is worth several hundred billion dollars. so it worked out in the end for him. meanwhile, monica lewinsky is an anti-bullying activist, which i'm sure, 20 years ago was not her dream job. so anyway, he did not just victimized monica lewinsky, the power difference between the president and the intern, he changed the trajectory of her life significantly. >> shannon: he said, i like the me too movement. it is way overdue. jehmu, was there a missed opportunity or one he can claim
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to be a voice for what happened back then, what is happening now? he likes the movement and thinks it's overdue. >> absolutely. i think he can use his great communication skills that we have come to know to try to turn this around in a positive way for all people involved. rebecca traced her has this amazing piece out in "the cut," that talks about how it was the lewinsky scandal with president clinton that really slowed down the national conversation around sexual harassment and that is a reckoning, i think -- >> that is presupposing to that it was just monica lewinsky. if bill clinton wants to come out and embrace the me too movement, he's got a closet full of skeletons he asked to address first. that is not just monica lewinsky. monica lewinsky and gennifer flowers are the ones that he has admitted to. publicly, and were willing participants. the others, kathleen willie, juanita broaddrick, paula jones,
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they weren't willing participants. >> shannon: two of those women's were on laura ingraham tonight and they were very upset about the way that he pretrade the conversation about the me too movement and his guilt or innocence, and jehmu, those are big caseshat did not get a lot of attention at the time. but even in retrospect, a number of the people involved, interviewing those women, trying to get them from interviews, have said, we have gotten that wrong. >> i think that is one of the great things that we are seeing come out of the me too movement. i think it is also important, shannon, to recognize that while the scandal almost ended president clinton's presidency, in this age of this reckoning where president clinton needs to face it, and it's not a partin issue, many men, many people who were complicit in this need to face it, in the midst of this, there has been little to no accountability or consequences for our current president,
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donald trump. >> it's not about donald trump. >> shannon: quick word. >> for 80 years, anytime anyone criticized barack obama, it was immediately george w. bush came screaming out of your mouth. now if you criticize donald -- or bill clinton, it is donald t this is about bill clinton. you ca deal with donald trump separately. but bill clinton has gotten away with this for 20 years. pc terry mcauliffe, former governor of virginia, and kirsten gillibrand, senator of new york, saying that he should've resigned, apologized, 20 years too late, it is a testament to the fact that the clintons are no longer politically -- >> this is much, much bigger than president clinton, much bigger. >> shannon: we'll have you come back and talk about that issue because it is not going away. jehmu and derek, thank you both for your time. >> thank you. >> shannon: the new ambassador to germany, record now, under fire for saying that he wants to empower european antiestablishment politicians. the reaction from european socialists and much more in "we are in the world," that is next.
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♪ >> shannon: time now for "where in the world." u.s. ambassador to germany, ric grenell, facing backlash after saying he wants to empower antiestablishment conservatives to rise up against elites. that is riled up the germans who want to grenell to clarify his l
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