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>> little rocket man. ♪ >> bret: that's it for this "special report." fair, balanced and still and still unafraid in singapore. "the story" hosted by my colleague martha maccallum starts right now. >> martha: hello there. we are watching very closely, less than two hours away now from this historic moment as president trump and kim jong un on prepare to come face-to-face for the very first time. two of the most unpredictable leaders on the world stage in what could be a defining moment in their legacies. and in world history. they each have a lot at stake here tonight. president trump, who will be 71 this week, has says he will size up the man he once derided as little rocket man pretty much in the first few minutes. in that short amount of time he will decide if a deal is even possible with the half his age kim jong un. offering a preview of a phased negotiating style over the weekend during a tense standoff
with world leaders at the g7 in canada, this photo pretty much says it all. for his part, in a surreal scene, kim jong un on spent the day smiling and taking self is with people in singapore where the build up to tonight summit looked almost like a prized boxing match. souvenirs of the two men's faces plastered on everything from t-shirts and water bottles in singapore. and then of course you've got this in the celebrity age that we live in. dennis rodman arriving at the airport today and look at this scrum of reporters around him. but can the president get kim jong un to give up his nuclear weapons? because that is what this is all about. the arsenal that his father and his grandfather built to keep them in power, and what if it becomes clear that that is not going to happen, which is a very real possibility? still tonight. >> it would not shock me the morning of the summit.
he just tweeted that the pregame meetings are going well saying "meetings between staffs and representatives are going well and quickly, but in the end that doesn't matter. we will all know soon whether or not a real deal unlike those of the past can happen." that tweet and the one like you mentioned appeared to be aimed in part at the president -- a deal could be falling apart because kim jong un aides told the white house the dictator is planning to leave just a few hours after the summit kicks off. the president had left open the possibility of staying to extend the summit to a second day. he too is not planning to leave just hours after this gets going, but i'm thinking up from senior u.s. officials that the schedule is still fluid and if they need to they could add a second day, could change again, the u.s. side is confident they can still get the framework of a deal done in this narrow window of time. it all starts with a 45 minute one-on-one meeting between the president and chairman kim, just the two leaders, no staff except for translators.
then 10:00 p.m. eastern, this meeting expands to include secretary of state mike pompeo. he has met with kim twice. john kelly and john bolton. then at 11:30 p.m. eastern the president and that core group will be joined by more white house aides for a working lunch with the north korean side since it will be midday tuesday here, working lunch set up like the the presidents mill yesterday with the prime minister of singapore. these conversations go on for hours and then the two nations go their separate ways. the president will be able to go back to the hotel with his team, assess where they are and then he's claiming a solo news conference at 4:00 a.m. eastern time seven hours after the summit begins. jim seemed very loose in the talks. sightseeing, a stop at a casino. assign he is eager to see what he can gain economically from a deal could but pompeo worn today while there are economic incentives on the table the u.s. is not pulling back on top sanctions until they get a firm denuclearization from
north korea. >> sanctio will remain until north korea completely and verify eliminates its weapons of mass destruction's program. if the form as he does not move in the right direction, and we are hopeful the continued to do so, those measures will increas increase. >> think about where we are despite the naysayers. saying there's no chance of a deal. back last august warm was on high alert as north korean missiles morning they might use medium or long-range missiles to attack u.s. military personnel and their families, others that are in warm. there were fierce this could be the start of a nuclear conflict. here we are now, martha, just a few months later, less than two hours away from the start of peace talks. >> martha: it's remarkable. no doubt about thank you so much. ed henry reporting from singapore. we have a great panel tonight. lieutenant colonel michael watts, michael malice author of the unauthorized autobiography of kim jong il. david morey and marion marsh,
former senior advisor to senator john kerry who went on to become secretary of state. welcome to all of you, good to have you here tonight. michael, let me start with you, what did you make of the walkabout, the selfies and the news that the dear leader has already decided, according to his folks, that he's going to leave this afternoon, singapore time? >> i will go to michael. >> i just want to clarify one of the things you said in your intro. years ago president trump tweeted he treats to the haters and losers, he does so with affection. it's not their fault they were born so [bleep] up. to have some cautious optimism that this can go in a positive direction is not too much to ask. we could see diplomatic relations, the end of the korean war, further talks and a pause on their nuclear program. mike pompeo has carefully shipped the argument from denuclearizing north korea to denuclearizing the whole
principl already that's a little bit of an agreement. >> martha: what do you make of kim jong un on when you watch them walking around taking the selfies and you hear that he has already decided that he's leaving today? >> this could be a faint. the meeting was called off a couple of weeks ago. they like playing hardball, this hollywood thing, who was going to go to whose table? getting them to go to north korea, a big concession on his part in the fact also that the north korean media is already reporting on the street and where it's usually the report after the meeting has occurred it has been successful if they tell that they have artie made some agreement, there will be some success by some measure. >> martha: also gets nervous leaving home. the people in north korea just found out this morning and fact that the leader of their country was leaving and going to singapore. the rest of the world has been very aware of this. the media is different there as we know. interesting that he let go three of his top military officials,
kim jong un, in recent ds. begs the question, perhaps they were against some of the moves he's planning to undertake here. >> that's absolutely right. we have to keep in mind that kim jong un has a domestic audience as well, that's namely the north korean military, and this nuclear program truly is kind of the holy grail of the north korean military. to that end, the reason that we are sitting here is president donald j. trump made both the north koreans and the chinese realize that the use of credible -- the credible use of military force is on the table, would be used and i think it has changed their calculus. hereto for they have belief that they had to have a fully functional icbm in order to ensure the regime's survival and now donald trump is made them realize that, no, if you get that icbm, it will mean your destruction, and i hope that's the message in the one on one that is delivered perfectly clear, that if you use this time to drag things out with the
inspection regime and then back out later and declare a nuclear program, that it will mean the destruction of your regime. >> martha: david, one of the things that seems to have sunk in with kim jong un is that the status quo is not any longer for him. either he needs to change his model and open up his economy and agree to some security assurances from the united states and dismantle his nuclear program, or he's going to face a military threat from the united states. those of the choices that he has on the table. comment on that and also on this denuclearization of the entire peninsula that secretary of state pompeo was talking about. >> i think that's right. this rises above politics so i think we should stop talk about democrats and republicans. democrats are rooting for president trump on this one. he deserves credit for being a disruptive diplomat, as just kim ng un. we are giving him something by having the meeting. i disagree with some of the previous discussion. this is a real win for kim jong un, just sitting down with him. we don't know if it's the pain of the sanctions or if he has
just gotten to this point with nuclear weaponry where he now is satiated and he wantove and turn the country to economic prosperity. that's going to be a key issue. the question you raise is what does denuclearization mean, and that's going to come down to the process that follows these meetings, which i think will go well. that's going to come down to the pace at which we negotiate this. there's maybe 300 steps. this is much more complicated than the iranian deal, and finally what price is involved and stormed the mic in terms of economics incentives here. >> martha: the president has said it's a one-shot deal so he's definitely putting the pressure on kim jong un on to use this moment productively and for both sides to walk out feeling like they have gotten something out of this meeting. let me bring in marion marsh, talking about politics. this is a little montage from some of the coverage today before these meetings even began. watch this. >> the rest of the world is looking at this and thinking to these people know what they are doing? >> for the president to place all his eggs in the dictator basket seems ludicrous at best.
>> we are making nonsensical comments like we are going to know in the first minute whether or not they will do nucearized. >> the president recognizes a bit of himself and kim. there's a lot of similarities. >> he's not going to come home and say that he's failed. he's goi t this a win no matter what. >> martha: a lot of armchair psychology going on there. they seem to be deep into the mind of president trump and know exactly what he's thinking of what he's going to do here. >> it was widely reported that there was a psychological briefed on the on cam forks to prepare on this meeting. >> martha: did that would not make sense? >> of course it does for preparation, but the fact is no matter what happens tonight, and we will see what happens in the next few hours, this is a win for kim. he's getting much desired attention. the air of legitimacy conferred upon him by this meeting. the handshake we will inevitably see hours from now, yet he has done nothing, maybe little, if nothing to earn it. he hasn't agree to anything yet. >> martha: last summer as at her and reported out in his
report we were looking at a situation where there were missile tests going off pretty much every six weeks and people were concerned that one of them might mistakenly land in the middle of japan if it were misfired. we've also got hostages back. to say that there's nothing that is growth along the spectrum just based on the facts seems untrue. >> there are a few points here. the fact is when you look at this, trump has gone from demanding denuclearization of north korea to a process that they will negotiate of the korean peninsula, which others here have agreed upon and been reported. otto warmbier, yes, returned home i believe one year ago today, yet nothing -- at the hands of north koreans, who had hime return home blind, deaf and howling only to die a week later. >> martha: president obama on the way out the door said to president trump north korea is your biggest problem, by the way, see you later.
>> that was the first and only thing he said to him and i do think the presence of two people play it larger to me. barack obama and zhejiang pain. barack obama, trump is obsessed with doing barack obama's legacy and everything he's done and i think you would like to see to show to him, i got this meeting, we are going to get something done, here's one more thing i've beat you at. xi jinping is the power broker in this area. if nothing happens without him, especially in north korea and i think xi jinping has a lot to say about what happens in this negotiation more than just flying him to get to this meeting and to make sure he has propped up this regime, his father before him and provide him with food and energy they do have. >> martha: thank you very much. it's going to be fascinating. we are less than two hours away now. an hour and 46 minutes and we are all going to be watching it so closely. great to have all of you here tonight. quite a night. fox news alert, a light look outside the hotel, just watching this as they get ready to go. they are less than a mile apart
these two men right now. president trump and kim jong un will lead a less than an hour to get moving towards the location where they will meet and have coffee. we have the president is already up, he's awake, he's been tweeting this morning and president trump singapore is being compared to reagan's reykjavik moment. it will mr. trump perhaps walk out as reagan did? anything is possible tonight. chris wallace was there then and now and he is here in a moment. plus, things got a little bit testy at the g7 and pretty much exploded when president trump's plane took off. that's coming up. steve helton says the outrage means that we are getting somewhere. he is live on set next. >> i will say it was not contentious. what was strong was the language that this cannot go on. ♪ i'm a fighter. always have been. when i found out i had age-related macular degeneration,
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>> there's a special place hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with donald trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door and that's what bad-faith justin trudeau did with that stunt press conferenc conference. that's what weak, dishonest justin trudeau did and that comes right from air force one.
>> martha: it does, can you tell? white house trade advisor peter navarro giving voice to the president's quick twitter tirade after the canadian prime minister waited until air force one was just taking off to start talking tough. >> canadians did not take it lightly that the united states has moved forward with significant tariffs. we are polite, we are reasonable, but we also will not be pushed around. >> martha: kristin fisher live at the right house with the story to me >> at the same time that president trump is preparing to sit down with one of the u.s.'s greatest adversaries, he's also essentially backing out of a deal with some of the u.s.'s greatest allies. this weekend that meeting of the g7 leaders in quebec, it was already tense as captured in this photo. german chancellor angela merkel staring off with president trum president trump. jen justin trudeau held a press conference that you were talking about where he announced that his country would be moving forward with those retaliatory tariffs against the u.s. starting july 1st.
>> they are our neighbors, they are our friends. my job is to stand up for canadian workers. canadian interests, and i will do that without flinching. >> office said that the prime minister didn't say anything in that press conference that he hadn't already said to president trump in public and in private conversations, but something in those remarks clearly set the president off. shortly after he accused him of being very dishonest and weak. he announced the possibility of even more tariffs, this time on automobile imports and most importantly he withdrew his endorsement of the g7 joint statement, which the u.s. had just agreed to. the white house's top economic trade advisor placed all the blame squarely on justin trudeau. >> he really kind of stabbed us in the back. he really, actually, you kno what, he did a great disservice to the whole g7. >> to my friends in canada, that
was one of the worst political miscalculations of a canadian leader in modern canadian history. members of congress, including some republicans worry that perhaps the white house has gone too far year and republican senator john mccain went so far is to put out this statement to our allies. he said on twitter "americans stand with you even if our president does not." but president trump seems perhaps more convinced than ever that the u.s. is continuing to get ripped off. he said just today that he will now call fair trade fool, trade endless it's reciprocal. all of this leads those ongoing nafta negotiations very much blowing in the wind. nobody knows really what's going to happen there. >> martha: know we don't. thank you so much. as christian mentioned, presidep coming under fire over his handling of relationships with u.s. palace, watch this. >> for the president of the united states to walk into that session and essentially blow it
up and disrespect our allies is very worrisome and very destructive. >> justin trudeau did not make president trump lookeak. president trump made president trump look unstable, erratic and thin-skinned. >> he's just as willing to take on canada or france and be friendly to north korea in pursuit of a deal. >> martha: joining me now steven hilton, good to see you. what do you make of all this? >> one of my favorite topics. thisllustrates the whole point of donald p, all the people are going around saying the establishment, the foreign policy elites saying this is unprecedented. we've never seen anything like this before, the whole point of donald trump is to be unprecedented. people wanted a change. whoever wins elections, you get the same policy. globalization, stuff that benefits business but hurts small business and working people. then you see a president who
goes into these meetings. if susan rice is right to say he blew it up, but that's what people want. actually the international order that they talk about so fondly, it hasn't worked for anyone except the elite and that's donald trump was elected to change. >> martha: you watch these meetings and you look at that picture of all of them standing around the table. he's like you talk to him. standing in the back. whether or not it will work out and president trump's favor we have no idea at this point. but it wouldn't surprise me at all a month from now to see some sort of deal between canada and the united states where the parity is a little bit cser. stephen harper, the former canadian prime minister was talking and here's what he said. he doesn't believe that we are not at parity. >> not only is the trade deficit with canada small, the united states runs a current account surplus with canada.
canada is the biggest single purchaser of u.s. goods and services in the world. it's not china, mexico, britain, it's canada. >> the diplomats in the bureaucrats have this brilliant way of trying to smooth everything over and they point to things like that and they look at averages and they get the statistics out there, but they cover up the reality for individual industries and for people. for example, when the president points to something very specific, which is the dairy industry, there's a massive disadvantage and that's his skill really come in to say you can come with all your statistics, but what i'm interested in is how it affects individual working americans and the fact is exactly as you say, this is not president trump's starting a trade war. this is president trump on behalf of the people who voted for him standing up for their interests after decades in which they have come second to the interests of global corporations who really don't care about people in one country or another, they just care about the efficient way of doing this whatever that may be. that has just empowered countries like china at our
expense. >> martha: to get specific about it, he will say how many f-150 ford tru have you seen driving around germany? ask yourself that, folks. there's a reason you are not seeing a lot of them and jn trudeau is clearting on trumpiest trump act in that moment. great to have you here. >> so great to be with you here. >> martha: thanks for being here. we are on singapore summit watch. it's fascinating because inside these hotels, the saint regis is where kim jong un is at this moment preparing for what is safe to say i think one of the biggest moments of his life. he's about to beat the united states president. some have said that in and of itself is a big victory for kim jong un. he will be on the world stage and let's see how he does. at the shangri-la hotel, president trump is there. apparently there is no trump hotel in singapore which i wasn't sure he would love to fix. but anyway, president trump is at the shangri-la and they are getting pretty close, about an hour and a half away before they walk into that room, have coffee, spend a few minutes
together alone, with translators of course, and it will be interesting because kim jong un went to school in switzerland. i would imagine he understands a lot of english, would you think so? >> i think tt's what we are hearing. actually sometimes he pretends that he doesn't really -- he has to wait for the interpreter, but actually he's much smarter than that. >> martha: it gives them a few extra minutes to kind of think. >> he loves american culture. >> martha: also coming up tonight we have a very important segment. gary mccarthy, who has been here several times with us, he was a former head of the chicago police department. rahm emanuel fired him as the black lives matter movement heated up and got ugly in chicago, but now the former top cop would like emanuel's job as mayor of the windy city and he joins me next. also tonight, former president obama is secretly meeting with top democratic prospects for 2020, holding some meetings, seeing who maybe stands out of the crowd as bill clinton is back in hot water tonight with a very
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establishment, the democratic party establishment is picking the candidate. that hasn't worked for them in the democratic primaries this year leading up to the midterms and it would seem like a heavy hand. they picked hillary clinton last time. >> martha: is understandable that the former president would want to have these meetings sort of off the radar. i couldn't help but think of all the people coming in and out of trump tower and how different these two men are. not that the situations are similar, but everybody remember those moments, the video. everybody walking in and out of the building and there were cameras set up everywhere. very different men and how they go about their politics. >> indeed. trump likes a show. he likes to dried out, he likes the lights. they could not be more different. but with barack obama, we have seen his involvement in partisan politics since he left office. whether hs weighing in on obamacare or other policy things, but is as juan said, it
should be all that surprising considering the president is sitting there watching so much of his agenda torn out root and branch by this president. a lot of it is easily done by whatever it was, the pen and the phone, because of obama's agenda was put in by a pen and a phone. >> martha: unfortunately that's a lot of weight president have to work these days. they have a tough time getting through a lot of major legislation. i want to point out some of the people that have not been there. terry mcauliffe, kristen shall a man, kemal harris. cory booker hasn't visited the offer since last year. i don't know if that is significant or not, but does this tell anything about who the president prefers? >> it's kind of early. i think we're still trying to understand exactly how significant it is that he's talking to all these folks. many are contenders but the one thing that stands out to me, if you are thinking about who is the leader of the democratic party at this moment and lots of people, saying there is no
leadership, there's an an absence of leadership. guess what, it's not nancy pelosi, it's not chuck schumer. here we have barack obama asserting himself as the is fighting republican rrymandering, fighting voter registration and now potentially asserting himself as the man who will select the party's nominee. >> martha: there's no doubt that his support will be huge for whoever ultimately gets it. bill clinton is looking like he is just disappearing from the scene and comments like this are not going to help him. >> i think the norms have really changed in terms of what you can do to somebody against their will, how much you can crowd their space, make them miserable. >> wow. >> i don't think that's so good. >> martha: he said it several days ago. i hadn't seen that until this morning, but how much you can do to somebody against their will, juan? >> should do anything to anybody against their will. there's no change over time or
standards, that's just wrong. >> martha: quick fun and we've got to go. >> it's important to remember that this is exactly the sort of behavior in the white house, in the oval office that a lot of quentin's detractors deplored about him at the time. >> martha: i think is putting an interesting mark on his legacy over the last week. thank you, great to see you both. >> take care. >> martha: we are on singapore summit watch and this is very interesting. this is the hotel where kim jong un is staying. we will see some movement as they start moving out of these buildings momentarily. one hour and 24 minutes until the big meeting, we will be right back. and i take trulicity once a week to activate my body to release it, like it's supposed to. trulicity is not insulin. it comes in a once-weekly, truly easy-to-use pen. and it works 24/7.
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rahm emanuel fired gary mccarthy from the police department over three years ago. they are both democrats and they have a very different outlook on how to fix one of the greatest cities in america that has clearly fallen on some hard times. trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom will with the back story on this one. hi, trace. >> listing the positives and negatives of gary mccarthy's campaign kind of goes like this. positive side that he has a good name recognition, good media presence and a great resume, having served as a top law-enforcement official in three major cities. negatives are that his campaign is short on cash, he doesn't have the money to self-finance and he's running against a political machine that is rahm emanuel. and while gary mccarthy identifies as a conservative democrat, at the emanuel campaign is already calling his candidacy the trump-mccarthy ticket. watch. >> candidate gary mccarthy has a very big fan. >> the head of the police in
chicago is a person i know. he's a phenomenal guy. >> mccarthy fires back saying the attack ad shows that he's got the chicago mayor's attention. mccarthy won't say who he voted for him in 2016 presidential election but he also says he won't abandon his friends like rudy giui because of his political affiliation. mccarthy was deputy new york police commissioner on 9/11 and worked closely with giuliani during and after the attack. mccarthy said rahm emanuel's attempt to link them to the trump administration is aimed solely at trying to avoid the real issues. >> under this mayor , corrupti, school closings on violent crime. we don't have to live like this. if chicago does have to live like this. >> mccarthy says during his tenure as chicago's top cop the homicide rate dropped to levels not seen since the 1960s, yet
over the past two years the city has seen 1400 murders, there were nine just this weekend. but it was on mccarthy's watch in 2014 when a white chicago police officer shot and killed black teenager mcdonald. police body cam video showed the teen was carrying a folding knife and was shot 16 times. rahm emanuel fired gary mccarthy in an effort to restore public confidence. mccarthy has cast himself as a egoat in that case, but says this is not a revenge campaign. and martha. >> martha: thank you so much. gary mccarthy, former chicago police superintendent and mayoral candidate joins us again. good to see you, thank you for being here. obviously that video is going to be central when you are going up against rahm emanuel, as we make clear in the story there. you were let go from your position after that. you claimed that city hall also played a role in all of that. how so?
>> they didn't play a role, they actually did it. this is a typical case of accountability without authority. i was accountable for the behavior of the chicago police officers, but i didn't have the author to discipline them. i can only make a recommendation to a civilian board. i was accountable for the investigation that was conducted by an outside civilian office and i have the actual testimony of rahm emanuel's attorney lying to the council and telling them them -- without telling the city council that there was an agreement not to release the video. the cover-up of that case happened exclusively in city hall. that's public record. there was something like 6,000 emails that went back and forth regarding mcdonald and i was on one and it was after i was fired. i can only make one step, to put
that on paid desk duty by illinois state law. wasn't in charge of the investigation, wasn't in charge of the discipline, didn't hide the video, that was solely on city hall. >> martha: we are short on time because of the summit but i just want to ask you what do you want to do to save your city? you've heard that this is a revenge move on your part and you say that is absolutely not so. >> absolutely not true. i had adopted this city and the city has adopted me. i have been here for almost eight years now. i have a 19-month-old son who i don't want him to grow up in a city of crime, lack of education and increasing taxes in this city and the answer is legitimacy and government. i had the opportunity to be there when rudy giuliani turned new york city government into performance-based government. if anybody ever ran a business the way that city hall is run here in chicago, which is about
political bullying, lying, pay for play, corruption, taking care of your friends, you would be out of business in a heartbeat. performance-based government, business management techniques, addressing the actual issues that exist in the city and inclusion. i love to talk about the fact that we love to celebrate diversity but we have to celebrate unity. we have to stop the polarization oing on not just in chicago, but in this country. we kind of have to get together and look at the problems and go after it. and that's the platform. >> martha: gary mccarthy, thank you. i hope i get to see that you have your debate. it's going to be very interesting. you represent two very distinct wings of the democratic party. a lot of people will look at you and recognize the democratic party they used general. we will see how that shakes out. thank you so much. >> i would be shocked if he doesn't, but thank you. >> martha: fox news alert as we look at the live scene. morning has broken in singapore where at 745 in the morning and we are about an hour and
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>> martha: you are looking live at the saint regis hotel in singapore. this is the hotel that kim jong un on his staying at. this is a live shot. whenever you have world leaders of this magnitude, and we never see world leaders of these two particular magnitudes about to get together and talk, the security and the intensity of
that is just unfathomable. if you are watching them as they go through each one of these cars. these are the gentleman whose job it is to get kim jong un onto the summit and it is an incredible moment that we are watching unfold. the camera at some point will switch over to president trump's hotel, the shangri-la and we will see all of the preparations is that gets undy as well and as we await this historic north korea summit, a lot of people have been talking about 1986 today in the reykjavik summit and whether or not it's a blueprint in some ways of what we may see play out here. two days before that famous oval office address that we showed you, president reagan and his sovietounterparts, mikael gorbachev, met in iceland hoping to reach an agreement that would eliminate both countries supply of nuclear weapons. the deal could have been momentous and it almost was until a sticking point surfaced. reagan's space-based missile program also known as "star wars" and the strategic defense initiative which he said was simply not on the table.
he needed it to protect the united states. gorbachev wanted testing of the space depends programming limited to laboratories for the next ten years but president reagan said no, believing that it was a program that was absolutely essential to our national security. gorbachev refused to compromise, the president turned to his secretary of state, george schultz said this meeting is over, let's go, george and out they went. gorbachev pleaded for them to stay, asking can we do something here, can work something out? to which it reagan replied it is too late. here's how that was reported at the time to the american people. >> it seems clear than that gorbachev is ready to deal with the u.s., but only on his own terms and at his own pace. for a president with just a year left in office, that may mean steady progress, but not the big finish he had hoped for. >> martha: joining me now live from singapore, "fox news sunday" anchor chris wallace who covered that summit back in 1986. great to see you now and great to see you then as well bringing
a smile to our faces as we look back at all the experience that you have had. your thoughts as we watch these motorcades get in placed in a? >> let me say first of all, that kid needed a haircut and secondly, it doesn't seem a day more than 32 years ago, w is exwhat it was. first of all, there is a palpable sense of excitement here. to see the motorcade lining up, to know that these two leaders are going to be driving over to santos island, which is like -- it's called the state of fun, that's what they market it as and there's a universal studios there and beaches and golf courses, but they are going to be down to some very serious business in just over an hour and this one as opposed to u.s. soviet summits, which were big and important, but there was a kind of routine to them, the idea four months ago that the leaders of the united states and north korea, the hermit kidom were going to get together after all the insults thrown back and forth, it's just unthinkable and obviously very exciting with
what we are about to see play out over the course of this evening in the united states. >> martha: one of the things that makes it so exciting is that these are not two predictable individuals, in fact they are extremely unpredictable and we could very well see a situation, it's easy to imagine president trump getting up from that table and saying no big deal, we can come back another time. >> i certainly agree that they are volatile, unpredictable characters who push the envelope and don't observe the diplomatic niceties. having said that, i would be very, very surprised if this were to fall apart and i base that on secretary of state pompeo, who has been closer to the negotiations and closer to talking to kim jong un than any other american, and for him to come out at the news conference earlier today and say i'm very optimistic that this is going to have a good resolution, i think there's going to be enough here for both men to declare the singapore summit a success, not
with a big agreement to denuclearize, but enough good faith on both sides to continue the negotiations going forward. >> martha: i thought it was fascinating, president trump was up and tweeting this morning. obviously he was watching tv and he was barking at the naysayers who believe that no progress has been made and he was pointing to the return of the hostages, the fact that the missile tests we witnessed just last summer, which looks very dangerous and very provocative at the time, indeed they were, are no longer happening. he was clearly making the point that already walking in the door he feels lik he has made progress to get to this point. >> i completely agree with that. it's easy to forget, but think back to five months ago, six months ago, when the president was calling him little rocket man and threatening to rain fire and fury and there was a sense that the doomsday clock in the far east between the u.s. and russia -- i'm sorry, china and
north korea and japan and south korea, that it was approaching midnight and there really was a sense of tension and the president at one point talking to his aides about potentially evacuating the tens of thousands of american dependents from south korea, whose aides, particularly the pentagon talked him out of that. we were really on a hair trigger. we are somewhat further away from that now and while tha doesn't get us closer to denuclearization, doesn't get us closer to a deal, it is certainly a much better situation to be in and to conduct the summit than a hair trigger we were at just a few months ago. >> martha: absolutely. i thought it was significant that the president put out a statement that he spoke to prime nister abe of japan. he also spoke to prime minister moon of south korea making it very clear as mike pompeo said the other date there is no daylight between us and our allies in this situation but apparently the secretary of state also talked today about the denuclearization of the peninsula, which indicates that there may be some room for
denuclearization of the entire peninsula. that sounds like a possibility, chris. >> first of all, to your first point, this is not just yes they are only going to be two men in the room, kim and trump, but this is not just about the two men of the two nations. you are exactly right. there's a very complex set of relations in the far east. north korea, south korea, japan, china, the united states and one of the things the prime minister of japan is obviously concerned about is with the president say get rid of all year long range missiles that could hit the u.s. continent, but not say anything about the medium or shorter range missiles that could still hit japan. i think the president very much wants this to all be put together. in terms of denuclearization, the u.s. has made it clear what it wants. it wants kim to give up his entire nuclear program, all of the nukes, all of the missiles, all of the nuclear infrastructure that can enrich uranium or plutonium. what kim wants when he talks
about denuclearization is also a dramatic disarmament and south korea. we don't have nukes there. we haven't had them for decades, but we do have those b-2 bombers that fly over, we have submarines that have nukes and that's part of the nuclear umbrella with which we protect the south. the far east. there is some concern that if the president agrees to that end lifts the umbrella, lift the shield with which we promised to protect south korea and japan. >> martha: in the minute i have left with you, i thought it was fascinating i was reading today about something that is called pyong-hattan, which is the growing small elite that exist in north kea and that the members of their growing small elite are allowed to have certain kinds of commercial enterprise, renting your apartment to someone if you like. sort of baby steps towards what we consider to be capitalist farmers and keeping these folks
happy and north korea is something that has become increasingly difficult for kim jong un. he just fired a bunch of his military leadership and these people apparently are the ones that perhaps he feels he has to answer to in all of this. >> that's exactly right. to the degree that a totalitarian dictator has to answer to anybody, but that's exactly right. there are two components to this from kim's point of view. he wants security guarantees and he wants a military stand on. you can see the delegation starting to come out at the saint regis hotel, but he also wants economic. if that doesn't necessarily mean he wants mcdonald's on every corner, but he wants a release of the sanctions so that he is able, as you say, to improve the lives of people in his country. some economic boost and that's one of the things the president is talking about and i suspect it's one of the reasons that kim is here in singapore this morning. >> martha: there's no doubt that the dynamic and north korea is being pressured to change and that the status quo is simply not a possibility whether they
come to an agreement here or not. fascinating to watch this delegation as he gets in place. chris will be with you throughout the coverage. thank you so much. "the story" continues and it goes on with tucker carlson in d.c. ♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. after months of negotiations insulting nicknames, aggressive tweets and a brief cancellation, the moment has finally come tonight, right now president trump is about to hold a summit in singapore with the north korean leader kim jong un. what can we expect to happen once that starts? fox chief news correspondent ed henry is in singapore right now covering. this he joins us tonight. hey, ed. >> tucker good to see you. there is movement we are seeing at the hotel across town from where i am in singapore at kim jong un's hotel. he is staying at the saint regis. there are some military folks who are starting to move as if they are getting his motorcade ready president trump's motorcade. not in formation just yet,