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>> bill: i don't know what will happen in the afternoon. >> sandra: that was wild. thank you for joining us. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, the process is underway as president trump conditions one of the most important decisions of his presidency to date. an opportunity to reshape the nation's highest court for decades to come. and now we are getting new details on the president's selection of a nominee to replace retiring supreme court justice anthony kennedy. this is "outnumbered." i'm melissa francis. here from the fox business network is dagen mcdowell. republican strategist and senior fellow for the independent women's voice lisa boothe. democratic strategist and the fox news contributor jessica tarlov. and joining us on the couch is bill bennett. former secretary of education under president reagan and a
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fox news contributor. he is "outnumbered." but we are out-gunned without a doubt. what a privilege to be on the couch with you. what a perfect day to have you here. i have so many questions. >> bill: think there is enough going on? >> melissa: a fair bit going. let's get to it. lawmakers are gearing up for what is expected to be an historic debase over justice kennedy replacement who was known as a key swing vote on the high court deciding how many critical rulings came down. president trump at a rally in north dakota last night calling kennedy a great man and giving some hints on the type of candidate he wants to nominate. >> president trump: justice anthony kennedy a very special guy. i'm very honored that he chose to do it during my term in office. because he felt confident in me to make the right choice
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and carry on his legacy. we have a pick to come up. we have to pick a great one and pick one who will be there for 40 years, 5 -- 45 years. we need intellect and so many things to go. there are so many elements that go into the making of a great justice of the supreme court. you have to hit every one of them. >> melissa: top senate democrat chuck schumer already vowing opposition. shocking. saying none of the potential nominees on the president's list would be fit for the high court and warning that the president's nominee may move to overturn the court's landmark roe v. wade abortion ruling. >> the senate should reject on a bipartisan basis any justice who would overturn roe v. wade or undermine key healthcare protections. the senate should reject anyone who will instinctively side with powerful special interests over the interests of average americans.
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>> one of the top judicial advisers to the president on the next supreme court pick dismissing senator schumer's concerns. leonard leo of the federal society noting the democrats have been saying that for decades. >> the left has been using the roe v. wade scare tactics since 1932. -- 1972. for 30 years, nothing has happened to roe v. wade. we know a lot about the justice roberts as we knew about kennedy when he was nominated. so i think the abortion issue is a scare tactic. >> melissa: so i'm very excited to be on the couch with you because as the story goes, you are responsible for justice kennedy. tell us the story. >> bill: no, no, no. that is a bit much. no. after -- when the process started, bob bork was famously
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"borked." >> melissa: a verb now. >> bill: one of the worst things that happened. we talk about the civility war. in the modern time that is when it started. '87. nothing like that had been seen before in recent times in the senate. >> melissa: interesting. >> bill: the way he was attacked. back alley abortions and all of that. people were shocked but that was one of the great divides. judge ginsberg. there were a couple of problems but marijuana was a problem. not that he as a kid had smoked a joint once or twice but he had smoked marijuana as a law professor with his law students. that seemed bit much. a lot of people thought so. i made a call to howard baker who was then chief of staff. i was secretary of education at the time. i just don't think this is going to work. and then he said you better deliver it to the boss. so i talked to the president. and said, i know ginsberg. i think he is great.
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but i think this will do it for him. too bad. there were other people being considered. but, you know, be fair to kennedy. he voted conservative more often than not. the issue is he voted -- he didn't vote pro life on two critical cases. the casey case, and the recent one on gay marriage. and those are obviously third rail hot issues. that is what got him in a bad rep with conservatives. >> melissa: so as somebody who has looked at picking somebody before and put someone up, as you look at the list or con template this, what would -- contemplate this, what would you advise? >> bill: can i be specific? my former speech writer is on the list. allison ide. stanford graduate, colorado supreme court, tenth circuit. that is a great list. this notion that you mention you quoted somebody saying no
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one on the list that qualified. >> melissa: chuck schumer. >> bill: that's just crazy. these are really good, really impressive people. the people who put the list together should be congratulated. the president has a lot to choose from. but despite that, it will be a hot summer in the swamp, i'll tell you. >> isn't it always hot? >> bill: especially hot. the creatures will come from everywhere. >> dagen: you mentioned a woman. i'm going to make a feminist remark. mitch mcconnell has to get all the republicans on board with whomever they put up. wouldn't it be wise if you want susan collins who is very much pro-choice, lisa murkowski on board with the nominee, you pick a lady. >> i think it would be smart and it would help president trump, cement his legacy as someone who is not antiwoman. another credential to say kellyanne conway, sarah huckabee sanders and now a female justice. for pro choice republican woman, it would be nice to
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have a woman on the supreme court but they are focused on the issues that matter to them. the real challenge for chuck schumer to keep all of his senators in line because there are ten dems up for re-election in red states. >> melissa: great point. >> jessica: he is personally pro-life. and heidi heitkamp said she would be open to a meeting and chuck schumer faced the difficulty before with the senators. we need the seats. >> dagen: speaking of another woman really quickly. amy barrett. >> bill: yes. >> dagen: put on the court by trump. and joe doablely of indiana, tim kaine and joe manchin, she won support of those. >> melissa: can you respond to that? what do you think of those who were mentioned? does it make sense for him to pick particularly a woman? >> bill: it would help on that score specifically when you talk about heidi heitkamp and others running. it makes it harder for them to vote. and susan collins as was mentioned. it's really hard to compare credential of the two women for example. they are both excellent. look, i'm playing favorites
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here because this lady wrote my speech about western civilization at stanford. i defended western civilization and stanford wasn't sure. >> melissa: right! [laughter] >> bill: maybe yes, maybe no. i'll forever be grateful to allison. yeah. anyway. >> lisa: picking a woman mitigates -- we are already seeing attacks on the roe v. wade, abortion issue and the war on women. this is where the democrats want to take this heading in the midterm elections. so if you pick a female candidate, a female nominee, that mitigates the attacks from the democrats who are already gearing up to make the essential. >> jessica: there are plenty of women that don't care about women making a decision over her body. >> melissa: growing questions about how the showdown will impact the high-stake midtermss the democrats have begun pushing to have the senate confirmation vote delayed until after the midterms. here is democrat senator richard blumenthal. >> the republicans should
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follow their own rule, the mcconnell rule that no vote on a confirmation should take place this close to the election. republicans have a razor thin majority. one vote going our way. they lose that majority. and the appeal is also to our colleagues. and then we have tools available. we will make use of every tool in terms of the parliamentary procedure available. >> melissa: the looming showdown over president trump's supreme court pick also putting red state democrats in a very tough spot. jessica mentioned this. substantial portion of the democratic base will likely be opposed to any of the president's picks. but in the very red states like missouri and north dakota where the president won big it's hard for democrats to vote no on a qualified judicial nominee. and i would even pause it that it would, it might really hurt the democrats if they did hold over until after the election because it makes it more of a voting issue which, you know, supreme court on the right is
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probably the biggest issue. >> bill: they can't hold it over. republicans can force the issue and get the votes. i think they will. part of it is they will get some sympathy. sympathetic hearings from the red state democrats. but the other thing is who is the person sitting in the dock? i love bob bork but he gave ammo. he answered questions in a way that made him seem perhaps a bit distant. you know, he said, "i'm not the kind of guy who loves the flag." other things. but then consider gorsuch. how do you really attack like gorsuch? he will say and even on the abortion question, i predict whoever up there will say of course i will honor the precedent. which the court does. look at the fact of each case that comes up. it will go over and over and over but that will basically be the response. i don't think the democrats can stop it. particularly if it's good, valuable, attractive
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candidate. >> this is a gift for republicans looking for an energy to energize the base to get people to turn out. we saw this as a big issue for republicans in 2016. election where president trump did one of the smartest things in the campaign put together a list and put him out there of who he would choose as a nominee, driving force. it helps the republicans as bill pointed out, as jessica pointed out as well if democrats come on board, which they probably. it look like a bipartisan effort as well in this nomination process. >> jessica: chris stirewalt just talked about that that the republicans will inevitably pick up a couple of the red state democrats who will make the calculation this is going to happen anyway. and it's more important we keep our senate seats because we are at risk of losing some of them as that comes. in terms of the argument an election year or not. one was presidential election year and this is midterm. elena kagan was confirmed in 2010 coming up on the midterms. >> bill: that is right.
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>> jessica: i wasn't done talking. >> dagen: that is hogwash. it's not blumenthal peddling the hol -- hogwash. it's a bunch of them. >> jessica: a lot goes to the phil buster and -- filibuster and president obama supporting that. a third of the issue is up. that's where the strong argument is. we don't know what will happen. i believe democrats will take the house back, i don't think the senate. there is an argument to make we are 133 days away from potentially a sea change in the senate that will put democrats on top, is it worthwhile to consider waiting those few months when ted cruz, richard burrr and john mccain talked about leaving a seat open for a year. >> lisa: you mentioned there is no evidence of a sea change in the senate. >> jessica: i said it's possible. i personally don't think that the democrats take the senate back. the races are tight. but it is possible and a few months away considering what happened to merrick garland,
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it's a conversation to have. >> dagen: i want to add one thing. if the democrats make court ping about abortion and overturning gay marriage, which chief justice john roberts is a wild card. he is not going to vote to overturn gay marriage. so soon after it was legalized at the federal level. what is going to happen is it going to energize the republican base. the republicans historically always have the advantage in terms of the turnout in the mid-term election years. the democrats are at a disadvantage already. you make it about those two core critical social issues and they will come out and vote in droves. >> melissa: if i can say, jessica, you are absolutely right everybody is doing this for their own political gains on both sides. whatever argument they make sound or not you will try to get your justice through at the right time. you don't care about the whole idea -- >> jessica: then you reverse it. >> melissa: be honest about that. just moments ago the house approving a resolution insisting the justice
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department comply with house committee subpoenas for documents. this fight with the d.o.j. ramping up as the f.b.i. director wray and the deputy a.g. rosenstein testifying on capitol hill. we have the latest from that heated hearing. plus, f.b.i. agent peter strozk reportedly insisting that the personal bias against the president didn't impact the bureau's investigation. we show you how the republicans and the president are responding to that. >> i wonder whether these same members would say the same if text messages turned up to the tune of hillary clinton is a disaster or we'll stop her or cursing her with all manner of expletives or smugly stating that particular part of the country smell of hillary supporters.
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>> dagen: another big day of testimony on capitol hill. wray and rod rosenstein going before the house judiciary committee about the department of justice and the f.b.i.'s actions in the runup to the 2016 election. they are demand transparency for the american people in the ongoing investigations.
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>> russia attacked the country and they should be the target but russia isn't hurt by the investigation. we are. this country is hurt by it. we are being divided. if you have evidence of wrongdoing by any member of the trump campaign, present it to the grand jury. if you have evidence that this president acted inappropriately present it to the american people. >> the best thing we can do is finish appropriately and reach a conclusion. i agree that people should not jump to conclusion without seeing the evidence. i have been the victim of fake news attacks myself. >> dagen: this as tensions continue rising between rosenstein and the g.o.p. members of congress. house lawmakers voting to approve a resolution demanding that the justice department comply with the house committee subpoenas for documents. g.o.p. congressman mark meadows warning that the resolution is a last step before lawmakers take more drastic measures.
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>> if the documents are not provided for us by the 5th, and if they are not here by july 6th, contempt and impeachment would be in order. >> dagen: contempt and impeep. ment -- impeachment and they wrote in an article that a third option is to jail somebody until they produce the documents. is that where we are going? >> bill: i don't think we are going to jail. contempt citations are issued often. eric holder was hold in contempt. how did it limit him? not at all. one person can insist on getting the documents, the president of the united states. andy mccarthy wrote a column about this.
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they work for him. he can say i want all the documents released now. give them to me and i'll make a decision about the appropriateness. he has the authority. no question about it. this is what it may come to. if we have impeachment hearing you know how long that will take, it will take longer than what we have done up to date. so congress can fuss and huff and puff and they are doing it. i think they are right to do it. i think they are in the right. but the person that can cut the knot is the president. >> should he? >> bill: i think he should. >> lisa: the concern for the president is the justice issue but i think it's taken off the table. if you look at comey's actions as the f.b.i. director. clearly out of line. doing things unprecedented. that is off the table. even in the own memo he talked about how president trump wanted him to investigate the issue to see if there is any
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issue of collusion. so president trump should direct them to comply. >> bill: i heard it would be obstruction of justice. an odd argument to make when a person says release all the documents publicly to see what is there. how is that obstructing justice? that seems like the sunlight is the best disinfectant. let's see the sunlight. >> jessica: i'm all good with the sunlight. we can't say until the mueller probe finishes what is on the table or what is not. there are people saying you could release it in pieces. if there is one piece of it. there are three projs, financial crimes, collusion and obstruction of justice. if financial crimes are done seal it up and go to the next thing to finish up the timelines. i find it amusing to see trey gowdy frustrated with how long this is going on when he was in charge of the benghazi investigation. if you look at white water, they can go on for longer than
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this and people are not screaming this has to be stopped. >> melissa: this is frustrating because it is intentionally casting a cloud over the president. it's frustrating because when you see the text messages that say we will stop it at the same moment, that agent who wrote the text is opening an investigation into the president. i mean that just, you don't even need to know anything else. >> we need an explanation on that and we need to know what that is about. when the same person disparages all the people that voted for the president and his job. >> melissa: the person disparaging an entire swath of people he never met the job is to protect the people and investigate the people. that is frightening. >> dagen: bill, i want your final except on this before we move to the f.b.i. agent. we wouldn't even know about the text messages if not for the inspector general investigation. >> bill: absolutely. >> dagen: and the most recent text message which was
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sent before in august of 2016. >> bill: it's old. >> dagen: only uncovered because the inspector general used the department of defense technology. the f.b.i. didn't hand it over. >> melissa: wasn't going to do anything with it. >> dagen: they were not going to do anything with it. how astonishing is that? >> astonishing and one cannot help believe there is more. this was uncovered late and this is old. it didn't just happen last month. >> moving to peter strozk. new reaction to the f.b.i. agent closed door interview before the joint house committee yesterday on capitol hill. president trump tweeting this -- "lover f.b.i. agent peter strozk given more marks on yesterday's closed door testimony. according to most reports refused to answer many questions. there was no collusion and the witch hunt headed by 13 angry democrats and others who are totally conflicted is rigged. meanwhile, we are learning that strozk reportedly told
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lawmakers that the personal political views did not impact his decision-making in the hillary clinton e-mail probe or the russia investigation. here is more from congressman mark meadows casting doubt on that explanation. >> i don't know how you read the text and how any reasonable person read the text and think there was no bias. none of my concerns have been alleviated based on what i heard so far. >> dagen: your reaction to that? i don't think anybody watches this day in and day out and knows what we know and think it started and ended with peter strozk despite the fact that he is the one that wrote the electronic communication that launched the russian probe in the first place. >> bill: let me take another piece of this. the weirdness of washington. >> dagen: please explain it. >> bill: remember, didn't i hear correctly peter strozk and his lawyer said get him in there. he is so eager to tell his story. he is tired of being vilified. he doesn't want people to
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think he is a creep. he goes in there and tells a story. the story is i have been advised not to answer that question. >> dagen: thank you. >> bill: thank you for the help. he refused to answer almost all of the relevant questions. you have to put common sense on hold not to believe that the endless exchanges did not make a difference. the most important thing about -- the most important thing about a judge, maybe anybody is what in your mind. what are you thinking and what is your intention? they were during work hours and they talked about the actions prepared to take it. what happened to the insurance policy? when do we find out about that? >> dagen: i want to clear up one thing. the insurance policy text was sent after the "we'll stop him" text. we found out about the insurance policy text first but we'll stop trump text message preceded that.
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>> melissa: they are trying to make strong and page scapegoat but there are more that were guilty. the trump supporters are poor, middle class, uneducated lazy -- >> bill: here i am. >> melissa: there you go. >> dagen: text message about the southern virginians in the walmart. that is me right there. >> melissa: trump supporters are an ethnic group or women. you wouldn't let them investigate anyone. is it because he says the trump supporters are all poor middle class uneducated lazy p.o.s.s? you wouldn't say didn't impact the work and he characterizes that entire ethnic group that way. >> jessica: this is the argument that theteams are making. >> lisa: what is in the judge's head? do they have a perceived bias? this is what we hear in the
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confirmation process from the democrats. it was the inspector general who said peter strozk not only indicated a bias state of mind but a willingness to take action. >> there was no action. >> that is not true. what he said -- >> melissa: he opened the investigation. he did take action. >> lisa: he is making the point that there weren't text messages saying i'll make the decision because i have a biased state of mind. what he said verbatim is peter strozk had a biased state of mind willingness to take action. we learn more as he continues the inspector general report regarding the russia investigation. the fisa application and other components as well. >> dagen: let me say this to peter strozk ripping on the southern virginians at the walmart. bless your heart. bill knows what that means. >> melissa: i do, too. >> bill: he may end up as a greater. >> i even know what it means.
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>> dagen: we have the date and the location. president trump's summit with vladimir putin. what we can expect the president to face criticism at a sit down. maybe too soon. and amid controversy at the southern border the president going after democrats who want to abolish the immigration and the customs enforcement agency. whether he is right to say his critics favor anarchy over law and order. we'll debate. let's take a look at some numbers: 4 out of 5 people who have a stroke, their first symptom...
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>> melissa: fox news alert, president trump hitting back at democrat and activists amid the growing call to abolish i.c.e. he said the left prefers anarchy over law and order. >> president trump: left wing activists blocking ice officers from doing their job and publicly posting their home addresses, putting the incredible people and their
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family's in harm's way. the radical democrat protesters really want anarchy. but the only response they will find from our government is very strong law and order. >> melissa: vice president mike pence is in central america highlighting the root of the immigration crisis. the countries devastated by violence. your thoughts bill? >> bill: what is interesting about this. there are heart-wrenching scenes across the board. some were false and phony like the "time" cover and so on. never pretty to see the children separated from their parents. in san diego of the 12,000 children, 10,000 were there by themselves and brought in for the purpose of getting in and abandoned and then left.
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this was as big of a howl as we have had. maybe the so-called muslim ban. people screaming and this turned out to be a political win for him in terms of the polls. not saying reduce the issue to the polls but it is interesting to me that the public staying with him. moderates stay with him. i think salina zito said trump critics know what he says but don't know what he means but the supporters don't pay attention to the words but they understand what he means. what he means is we have to do something about this. you have to have a country. if your policy is if you show up with a child you just get in, catch and release, that isn't going to work. we'll fix it. so the public put responsibility is the people bringing the kids. >> dagen: there was a
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rasmussen poll that found that from a week ago. it found 54% of the likely voters say the parents are more to blame for breaking the law. only 35% believe the federal government is to blame for enforcing the law. >> bill: heat of the rhetoric. >> jessica: there is no doubt this is on the parents. 5-year-old doesn't wake up and say i'm going to cross the rio grande to see where i end up. but president trump's popularity has been dipping back down. the polls are not in his favor in that way. i don't think this has been a win for republicans. they have been effectively painted as the face of children in cages here. the president has been winning on immigration and that helped him in 2016. if he is not part of a con strucktive conversation about how to deal with the kids, still a dreamer -- >> melissa: but your perspective echoes what the democrats are thinking. >> jessica: i am one of them. >> melissa: i know.
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but to stay wedded in that perspective, you lose election s. you don't see how rest of america is taking this in. anyone who is a parent is heartbroken and devastated by the thought of all 12,000 children, any of them that come up here and are sitting there and you say to yourself this is a bigger problem than throwing tomatoes at each other. >> they are not saying that -- >> melissa: the democrats -- you are saying that president trump is the face of those children. painting him in a bad light. i don't think that is true in a lot of america. ignoring that is how you lose elections. >> lisa: democrats have been patently dishonest in the debate. there was not a zero vote from the democrat on the compromise bill. so they are not concerned about that. and regarding separating the families, president trump didn't have many good options. he either catch and release and chooses not to prosecute the people willingly breaking
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the law by crossing the border illegally or he prosecutes them and he chose to prosecute them. and the flora settlement he can't keep them with their parents longer than 20 days. he is trying to move forward to an executive order that could meet the same fate that the obama administration met on this issue. and jeh johnson from the obama administration, the former department of homeland security on fox news sunday said catch and release is not a position to be in this country and we have to prosecute the people illegally crossing the border. the discussion going on in the media is patently dishonest and void of facts. the democrats are driving the dishonest attack line. >> jessica: there is no more time but i have things to say in opposition. >> dagen: the phony photographs play in the narrative that the media makes things up. >> jessica: there are thousands of other kids -- >> melissa: go ahead. >> jessica: the "time" cover was a mistake but there are
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still 2300 children that are not with the parents and jeff sessions has been clear on the zero tolerance policy. >> dagen: this budget year is the unaccompanied minors. that is up 4%. the families coming down -- ja we haven't solve immigration problem and it feels like we are not closer and that is frustrating for everybody. we are learning more about the sit down next month with vladimir putin and what the president can expect to accomplish after john bolton hammers out the details. come here, babe. ok. nasty nighttime heartburn? try new alka-seltzer pm gummies. the only fast, powerful heartburn relief plus melatonin so you can fall asleep quickly. ♪ oh, what a relief it is! find thenah.ote yet? honey look, your old portable cd player. my high school rethainer. oh don't...
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democratic congressman ted deutsche of florida sits on the house foreign affairs committee said this. >> i have real concerns. he is going to talk to putin at the time of the nato summit after he went out of his way to question the relationship with nato. the president said russia post sanctions on for marching into and taking control of crimea welcoming them to g7 and he is suggesting we should have a closer relationship with russia as he denies any involvement of russia in the elections. >> lisa: bill, start with you. the congressman said trump is rejecting traditional allies and embracing vladimir putin and north korea. what is your response to that? two, do americans care about the line of attack if they see the gains? that nato ally is paying more that is part of president trump's effort and force them to do so? >> bill: he is telling nato people to ante up and do more.
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taking a larger share. i see no problem of talking to putin. president trump happens to pack more in a week or a month than most presidents do. and his policies, whatever his words, have been tougher on russia. if he puts in the same month to meet with putin and having alex ovechkin of the caps to the white house he may get in trouble. two russians in one month. putin was at ovechkin's wedding. i don't know why i told you that. >> i like gossip. we love the extra tidbits. >> there so much fuss about the eagles not going. the russian goes and he shakes hands with alex ovechkin without the tooth, there will be a lot of talk. >> how do the democrats continue to try to hold president trump up as a punt of putin? you look at the aggressive sanctions the move to the energy independence and beefing up the missile defense. how do they align? >> the president is still
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tweeting. putin tells me they didn't interfere in the elections. that is something they are clear about. bill wants to gets back in. i don't think this is about gossip. i think that is where you go with it. there are people who comment on sanctions. huge critics. we need to continue to go further and apply pressure. the circumstances under which they will meet. is it private or them and the translators? and bolton set i want to talk about how you pulled off the world cup masterfully. that is not saying you are a murderous thug. >> lisa: bill, what is your response to that? >> bill: putin wants the meeting. they have nuclear weapons. other than that it's a gas station. you know what makes them nervous? star force with the president announced the other day.
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reykjavik, what made gorbachev nervous is the star wars. he wanted reagan to stop. it's interesting because reagan went back said are we that far along? not as far as gorbachev thinks we are. well don't say anything. but they are nervous because they don't have the goods or the technology or the money or the arsenal. >> president trump likes goading media and the press and pokes them in the i he is the dude that drives by the house and blows the car horn every night to make you angry. he loves it. >> i think the left focuses on the words and the right focuses on action. >> lisa: perfect way to end it. put a button on that. tonight, two republican candidates vying to be the next governor of florida going head to head in a live debate airing here on the fox news channel. inside look at the big event next. stay tuned. let your inner light loose
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>> melissa: more "outnumbered" in a moment but first touch base with harris on what is coming up on "outnumbered overtime" in a few moments. harris? >> harris: thanks. hi, bill bennett. good the see you. >> bill: hey. >> harris: all right. let's get started. white house director marc short will join me on
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"outnumbered overtime" on the process of choosing and confirming a nominee to replace supreme court justice kennedy. some democrats as you know are vowing to do whatever they can to block the nomination. they don't even know who it is yet. can they do that? how does the white house plan to put the nominee through? also joining me republican congressman chris stewart on the house testimony today by deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and f.b.i. director christopher wray. are they convincing lawmakers that bias did not affect their investigation? all of that and more news as it breaks on "outnumbered overtime." top of the hour. back to you. >> melissa: all right. thank you. >> the high stake primary continues in florida. tonight ron desantis faces agory culture commissioner putnam in the first g.o.p. gube thattory primary debate. putnam has support from many in the g.o.p. establishment and a new nbc news/mar rist poll shows him in the lead. but 42% of the voters in the
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sunshine state are undecide or support other cammed dates at 42%. the debate at 6:30 eastern on fox news with martha maccallum and bret baier. there is the debate stage. it's exciting. there will be more people in there. and watch fox all day and stay at 6:30. i'm start with you, bill. what do you make of it? trump guy/nontrump guy. 42% undecided which is much higher than usual. >> melissa: big number. >> bill: we'll see. i try to be fair here but i'm a huge desantis guy. i think he is great. i think he is terrific. a strong advocate. >> jessica: he joins us on the up co. wonderful. >> bill: i'm sure putnam is fine. saying i'm for desantis, i haven't written any text or statements saying we will stop putnam. if i did, it wouldn't prove anything. only prove the state of mind. no, desantis has a great future. i think he may win this anyway but he has a great future.
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outspoken. very thoughtful. good lawyer, good navy guy. >> dagen: i want to add quickly i'm a nerd. we used to cover commodities back in the day. with the trump-china tariff tiff, agriculture is in china sights in terms of going after it whether it's the soy bean or citrus in florida. it will be interesting to run against the ag commissioner, how it plays out in florida. >> lisa: putnam is up right now. but as the ag commissioner he has run state high so his name i.d. is higher than desantis is right now. desantis hasn't been up on tv yet and putnam has. >> jessica: desantis has been on television for many years all the time. >> lisa: in congressm district. >> jessica: he has been on national tv. >> lisa: it's important to keep in mind there are 36 races and republicans are in 26. they are on the defense in this cycle. it's important that key
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states, florida, and michigan, wisconsin, ohio. for president trump to have a republican governor in those states when he is running for re-election in 2020. >> jessica: the economy is the number one issue everywhere. but we know the horrific shooting in parkland took place in florida. do you think there will be much conversation around gun reform and those issues? i know it's different on the republican side than the democrat side but could it effect the undecides? >> melissa: i think they are waiting to see what they are for or against and see hem duke it out. it will be unpredictable. >> jessica: primary is august 28. there is time. >> melissa: absolutely. >> jessica: to figure out here. >> melissa: be sure to watch the florida g.o.p. gubernatorial debate tonight at 6:30 eastern. right here on fox news channel. bret baier and martha maccallum will be moderating. that is tonight at 6:30 p.m. eastern time. so you can decide for yourself. we'll have more "outnumbered" in a moment. your heart doesn't only belong to you.
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convention -- i went to them all the time to cover them -- you will see 10, 20, 30% of the people there, the public sector union. >> melissa: it will starve the democrat party of money and a big deal. >> bill: money machine. >> melissa: we have to go. thank you. harris, over to you. >> harris: fox news alert. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. we have a couple of things happening right now. you see the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and the f.b.i. director christopher wray also seated next to him. they are testifying before the house judiciary committee. they were in a break. the testimony has resumed. we are going to watch it now together. >> the evidence you collected may have been corrupted or tainted or in any way influenced by the hatred, bias or prejudice expressed in the texts. you repeatedly and unequivocally said no. yes, we kno

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