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griff: thanks for letting me come explain the redacted redacted redacted fisa. abby: you were fabulous. pete: oh, there's some got to it have a great sunday everybody we love you. thanks for being here with us. abby: have a good day. maria: good morning, good sunday morning we're getting a first look at top secret surveillance records this morning, showing how the fbi spied on a former member of the trump campaign, and now the president is weigh ing in this morning, meanwhile vladimir putin makes clear one of his obsessions during that joint press conference with president trump and what is the strategy for house republicans to keep control of the house as we witness a rising interest in democratic socialism, ahead of the mid-term elections good morning, everyone thanks so much for joining me i'm maria bartiromo and this is sunday morning futures. president trump responds this morning to the justice department releasing more than 400 pages of documents related to the 2016 fisa application, for former trump campaign advisor carter page.
it shows the intimate steele dossier was in fact a major component for the surveillance warrant. fresh reaction from house judiciary chairman bob goodlatte and alan dershowitz coming up this morning. vladimir putin called him out by the name during the helsinki news conference by president trump. today, bill browder responds to the russian leader and will join me live and the mid-term race is heating up and i'll speak exclusively with house majority whip steve scalise about the republican leadership strategy to keep control of the house all that and a lot more right now as we look ahead on sunday morning futures. top of the news right now, the justice department making its first public disclosure of a highly sensitive fisa request by releasing the heavily redacted version of the documents relating to that fisa warrant against former trump campaign foreign policy advisor carter page. the 400-plus pages wereas a resy
several media organizations including judicial watch. the documents reveal major components in the fbi surveillance request leading up to the 2016 presidential election. they were memos written by christopher steele. that is what they use to get the warrant. the former british intelligence officer hired by a research firm working for trump's opponent hillary clinton. the president reacting on twitter earlier this morning saying congratulations to at judicial watch and at tom fitton on being successful getting the carter page fisa documents. as usual they are heavily redacted but confirm with little doubt that the department of justice and the fbi mislead the courts witch hunt-rigged a scam. the president later tweeted looking more and more like the trump campaign for president was illegally being spied upon surveillance for the political gain of crooked hillary clinton and the dnc. ask her how that worked out? she did better with crazy bernie
republicans must get tough and illegal scam joining me right now with first reaction to this is house judiciary committee chairman, bob goodlatte mr. chairman good to see you thanks for joining us. >> good morning, maria good to be with you. maria: well what strikes me about all of these documents that i've been looking at all morning is all of the redactions on every page, major black black lines redacted so tell us, what did we learn from this fisa warrant? >> well, we certainly learned that there is a serious problem with the fbi presenting to the fisa court an application for a search warrant against the united states citizen and then followed by three renewals when they were basing it on a very flawed document, the so-called steele dossier that has never been verified. even after all of this came out, they attempted to verify it and failed, so that's number one.
number two, i have had the opportunity as have a few other members of the house of representatives the opportunity to read these fisa warrant applications without all of those redactions. there are only a few redactions in the document that i reviewed and i think it is critically important that the american people have the opportunity to see most of the rest of those documents. we want to make sure that we're protecting sources. we want to make sure that we're protecting methods that are used investigations but most of the information that is redacted in that report should easily be seen by the american people. they can judge for themselves but i will tell you it does not support the issuance of a warrant against mr. page. maria: so what will be done about it? >> well, certainly, this is a big development for the investigation that i as chairman
of the judiciary committee, trey gowdy as chairman of the oversight and government reform committee have been pursuing now for the last nine months because as you know at each step in that process, the fbi has objected to our looking into this matter because they claim it's part of an ongoing investigation and we have said all along we're not interested in looking at the substance of anything that mr. mueller does find in his investigation. we don't want to interfere with that but we do want to see how this investigation was launched and how it contrasts with the shocking way they handled the hillary clinton e-mail investigation so that is an absolutely critical aspect of this and now we have a federal judge who agrees that information regarding that investigation can and should be made public and has ordered to be made public. much more needs to be done in that regard with the congress, which has subpoena power and has issued subpoenas with regard to both documents and witnesses as entitled to have answers to our
questions, and i think that this is a major boost to that effort. maria: there was one redaction here about an agent, are we an agent launching this investigation. are we assuming that that is peter strzok whose also his name redacted in this warrant? >> i can't comment on the redacted items in that until a court has ordered them to be made public but i can say that based upon our other aspects of this investigation, that peter strzok was at the heart of both the hillary clinton e-mail investigation where the fbi bent over backwards to find every way possible to not proceed with that case and in fact as you know they did decide in a very public and controversial way not to proceed in that investigation and he was also at the heart of the beginning of this investigation into so-called trump campaign russia collusion. maria: i want to know what this tells us about the robert mueller probe, because you go
back to carter page and here is the guy who was actually wiretapped and surveilled. if carter page was an agent of a foreign power working for the russians why is he still running around free? why are there no charges against carter page and by the way, what does that say about comey, mccabe, yates, rosenstein and the others who repeatedly certified to the court that he was, that he was an agent of foreign power, why has he not been charged then? >> well excellent question. he was surveilled for a solid year, three-month increments with three renewals, and i don't believe they found anything with regard to him. i can not speak for him and i can't speak for special counsel mueller and as i've said before, he has been charged with a responsibility to carry out and if he finds evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russia, he should bring it forward. this investigation is now more
than two years old and it is i think he's only been on the job for a little over a year but this was going on for almost a year before he came on the scene , and still is a cloud, a shadow over this administration. it is something that if they have the goods as chairman gowdy has said, bring them to a grand jury. if you don't, let's let the world know that they don't have that evidence. maria: i want to run for you what senator rand paul said on fox news this past week, because i'm wondering if this information and all that we're gleaning from all of this whether it's the fisa warrant or your interactions with peter strzok and lisa page which i'm going to get to, if that is going to dictate where the robert mueller investigation goes, you'd think that it would since his mandate is collusion with the russians. here is what senator rand paul said about all of this, this week on fox news listen to this
mr. chairman. >> the president sees the mueller investigation, he sees all these accusations from partisan, democrats, hillary clinton saying oh, he colluded with the russians, but then he also sees that the only people who actually we know colluded with the russians were hillary clinton who paid a british agent who then paid russians for information with this dossier, so he feels like the intelligence community cooked up a political or partisan investigation. maria: would robert mueller interview hillary clinton? >> well again i can't speak for robert mueller but i can very much agree with senator paul when he says that democratic operatives related to the clinton campaign and the democratic national committee paid for, the creation of the so-called steele dossier and then turned it over to the federal bureau of investigation but what's so unprecedented about this is that the fbi then took it, weaponized it without
ever verifying its credibility and brought it to the fisa court without disclosing the source of that information. that is deeply troubling and it is a part of the reason why the new fbi director has been hard at work trying to reform this organization whose credibility has been damaged by a few key people and by the way those few key people are the same people in both of these investigations. james comey, andrew mccabe, peter strzok, lisa page, the fbi counsel, the chief of staff to the director, the same people in both these investigations. in one instance doing everything possible to avoid indicting hillary clinton including allowing her chief aids to be in the room with her when she was interviewed by the fbi creating a memo exonerating her before most of the witnesses including secretary clinton had been interviewed, not putting this before a grand jury even though they had paneled a grand jury in
that investigation. they didn't let the grand jury determine whether she should be indicted and then changing the language in the memo from gross negligence to extreme carelessness, gross negligence very closely tracks the statute, extreme carelessness is not a meaningful phrase, all to avoid indicting her. maria: yeah. >> that is shocking. maria: and many of the people that you mentioned they have signed, they're on the signage page of this fisa warrant they all signed it okay and that includes john brennan, sally yates, james comey, peter strzok so john brennan, he's the man who deserves a belated bit of scrutiny according to the wall street journal, the op-ed just this past week. we know that john brennan has been all over town trashing president trump and trashing the hearing that your committee actually did with peter strzok. what are your thoughts on john brennan's involvement?
>> well, we have lots of questions for john brennan and he will definitely be sought by the committees for an interview. this is an extremely disturbing thing to see both he and james comey supposedly impartial government officials carrying out their jobs in very important areas in intelligence gathering and law enforcement express the kind of extreme bias that they've shown now which i think reflects quite accurately on what they were doing back in 2016. maria: so he's on your list of witnesses to have into interview >> absolutely. maria: who else is on that list? >> well, we're going to go through, we've received a list from the intelligence committee of literally dozens of people we're going through that list now and determining which ones are our priority. i think i would rather leave it at that but certainly we'll also be talking to director comey and former attorney general lynch.
maria: let me ask you about lisa page. i know that you had behind closed door meetings with her but apparently during that hearing, you have discovered more information that you want. can you tell us anything about the lisa page testimony and what you learned? >> well it was a private confidential interview but i will say this that ms. page in contrast to mr. strzok was far more forthcoming and gave us far more information regarding what was going on in 2016 and into 2017, to help our investigation, but i'll also say that she reminded us of some documents that hadn't been talked about for a while, including the fact that there are not only memos by james comey that we're all aware of but also memos by andrew mccabe, the deputy director of the fbi that are of interest to us as well and we're seeking those now. maria: so now you're seeking those documents i know that you have been focused and certainly your colleague devon nunes has been focused on any information
before the actual investigation was launched which was july 31, 2016. mr. chairman i want to take a short break and then come back to that. we also have much to discuss with you including that showdown with democrats over house resolution to support i.c.e. we'll be right back with chairman goodlatte follow me on twitter at maria bartiromo at sunday futures let us know what you'd like to hear from chairman goodlatte and a quick programming note former democratic vice presidential nominee senator joe lieberman will join me this wednesday on mornings with maria so join me weekdays at 6:00-9:00 a.m. eastern on fox business. we'll be right back with chairman goodlatte. ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. ♪♪
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same evidence. are you among those calling for rod rosenstein to recuse himself >> i am not at this point. rod rosenstein did sign the third renewal application or in other words the last fisa warrant application. he was asked at the hearing that he testified at a couple weeks ago whether or not he read the document. he declined to answer that because he claimed it was part of an ongoing investigation. i think that's an important question that he needs to answer but also think it's even more important that he continue to work with the congress to move this forward so that we can get answers to all of our questions and get all of the documents that we have subpoenaed. there has been definitely more cooperation since we issued the subpoena and since u.s. attorney from the northern district of illinois was appointed to help us get those documents. we have much greater access to unredacted documents than we've had before, but we still have a
long way to go. this is an ongoing investigation and there are many more document s and many more questions that witnesses have been instructed by the fbi not to answer, that need to be answered and i think the fact that a judge has now ordered the release of this fisa warrant application shows that it is entirely appropriate for us to look into how this investigation was launched. maria: and of course that investigation morphed into the robert mueller investigation and there was one text from peter strzok to lisa page that basically says there's no there there when the robert mueller investigation launched; correct? >> that's correct. maria: yeah. okay, we'll keep following that. let me move on to immigration you've been working obviously with two bills. are you going to be able to get one of them across the finish line before the mid-term elections? what are your expectations there , mr. chairman? >> well you know, maria 224 house republicans all but 12 of
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headed by mr. mueller, let them into the country and they will be present at questioning and then we would expect that the americans would recipro indicate and so we can bring up mr. browd er in this particular case. maria: bring up mr. browder. joining us right now is the man, bill browder. he is a thorn in putin's side now for several years. bill, it's good to see you this morning thanks for joining us. >> great to be here. maria: look i know you a lot of years, bill and we've talked about your story for a lot of years but even then, for me, after knowing the story as well as i do, i've got chills down my back when i heard vladimir putin mentioned your name. what did you think? >> well, i should point out that he's been mentioning my name on a regular basis for the last six years. in fact i would go so far as so say vladimir putin is obsessed with me. he's obsessed because i was the one responsible forgetting the
magnitsky act passed in 2012 which sanctions putin and his corruption for human rights violations and he hates that. maria: so tell us about that because just to briefly go threw your story at one point, one of the leading investors in russia. you owned a lot of russian companies, russian stocks in your capital fund you were living between moscow and london , traveling back and forth all the time, when you became aware of corruption going on, organize it gashes stealing money from russian companies. you wanted it stopped you started to become more of an active investor calling out this and then what happened, bill? >> well so after exposing corruption in these big companies, putin expelled me from the country, declared me as a threat to national security. the police then raided my offices in moscow, seized all my documents i had a young lawyer start to investigate and he figured out they seized those documents to steal $230 million of taxes that we paid to the
russian government. he exposed it. he was then arrested by some of the people he exposed, put in pre-trial detention, tortured for 358 days and killed at the age of 37 in a russian prison on november 16, 2009 and since then , i've put aside everything else i'm doing on a mission to get justice for him which has resulted in the magnitskynitsky about which putin hates me for. maria: and it basically protects companies and punishes those who try to have fraud and stealing of the wealth by the oligarchs and putin is upset by that. let's show you the wall street journal editorial board wrote a piece about you this weekend saying donald trump meet bill br owder. it begins like this, vladimir putin knows what he wants from donald trump and one priority is help in silencing businessman and human rights advocate bill b
rowder, so tell mr. trump and he and mr. browedder were both targeted by fusion gps the political gun for hire that the steele dossier in 2016 tell us what happened with you and fusion gps, bill. >> so just a little bit of background on the story. the department of justice discovered that there was some of the money from the magnitskyn itsky case in new york , they opened up a criminal case against a russian oligarch and fusion gps came into work for the russian oligarch so fusion gps, the firm that did the trump dossier, started to do a smear campaign on me and they put together all of the talking points about me for the trump tower meeting where she went into speak with donald trump jr. and i would deduce that fusion gps and glenn simpson therefore put together the same talking points for vladimir putin because they were the same talking points in trump tower,
so in that helsinki meeting last week, vladimir putin said a whole bunch of stuff about me and as far as i can tell, i think those talking points came from glenn simpson. maria: well the senate voted down any idea that russians would be able to question you and donald trump obviously agreed with that, so that's not happening but i've seen some of your quotes in the press. you're afraid that if in fact that were to happen, you're a dead man. >> well basically even if there's only 1% chance of it happening if i get handed over to the russians and to vladimir putin, i will be killed, there's no question about it. they made death threats on a number of occasions, a number of other people connected to this case have either been killed or attempted to be killed. vladimir putin wants me dead. this is not, this is a very serious matter. maria: now the charges that he levels against you which were all debunked, but he says you avoided taxes in russia and in the u.s. and that you gave hundreds of millions of dollars
to hillary clinton. your reaction. >> well, he's been throwing out charges against me like candy. these particular charges have been analyzed by the u.s. department of justice, by the british government, by the german government, and have all been rejected. it's just complete nonsense. in terms of the hillary clinton campaign contributions i've given zero. zero contributions to hillary clinton in any campaign. i do not make u.s. campaign contributions, and in fact this $400 million number he threw out they then walked back to 400,000 the next day and the real number is zero. maria: it's an interesting situation because when you look at the past in terms of vladimir putin there's your story, there's the chess champion was thrown in jail not to mention the endless number of murders of journalists in russia, and enemies of putin. then again, russia and the u.s.
control 90% of the world's nuclear capability. what does president trump do? he has to work with the other partner of the nuclear capability, but it's important to put a picture together of who vladimir putin is. >> well i think that president trump should do it what ronald regan did. i mean, russia and the soviet union have had these nuclear war heads for a long time. ronald regan knew what to do which was to contain the soviet union and donald trump should contain russia. this is not, you don't make friends and buddy buddy up to a hostile power and that's what the 90-0 vote was about and every other vote in congress about russia. this is not a partisan thing. this is it's unamerican to do anything other than contain vladimir putin. maria: it feels at this point we are seeing a new era and it seem s that the president
understands who this person is, but we will keep watching that, bill browder, good to have you on the program thanks very much and we're not saying where you're coming to us from we understand the danger you're in. next up house majority whip steve scalise. stay with us. expensive. just go to priceline. it's the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40%. just tap and go... for the best savings on flights, go to priceline.
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majority whip and republican louisiana congressman steve scalise. congressman it's great to see you this morning thanks so much for joining us. good morning always great to be with you maria. maria: so what is the plan to retain control of the house from your standpoint? >> the plans to continue focusing on getting the economy moving, seeing this great economic growth and then locking it in we're going to bring some more bills to cut taxes, we're going to make the tax cuts permanent that bill chairman brady and his committee are already working on. we just did a jobs 3.0 bill to provide more regulatory relief and do thins to help create more jobs and rebuild middle class and look it's a stark contrast with the radical left's agenda in washington. pelosi is talking about raising taxes, she's talking about abolishing i.c.e., single-payer healthcare that's not the direction we need to go so let's keep the economy moving we're going to continue focusing on it this week and bring a bill to repeal the medical device tax pushback the health insurance tax some of these thins hurting
healthcare in this country and focus on getting the economy moving. maria: and by the way the economy is going to show movement this week. we get the gdp number out on thursday, and all expectations call for a second quota gdp number of 4%, largely as a result of some of the rollback in regulations and the tax cut plan. i want to talk about what the democrats though are going to do in response to that. joe liner man, former senator wrote an op-ed and lieberman writes this in the wall street journal this week, vote joe crowley for working families, it begins with this quote. alexandria cortez's surprise primary victory over representative joe crowley seems likely to hurt congress, america , and the democratic party, it doesn't have to. what lieberman writes is that he's hoping that crowley's name is on the ballot because the idea to abolish i.c.e. came from her. alexandria cortez and tom perez the head of the dnc says she's the future of the party.
>> well i hope she is, because it shows such a dramatic shift to the radical left. that's not where america is. america is still a center right country and you saw she was out there with bernie sanders going through the midwest, going to missouri. she was in kansas city. they're trying to push this idea of abolishing i.c.e. of all thin s. think about this maria. the very people who keep our country safe i.c.e. has been directly responsible for stopping human trafficking, saving some of these kids being exploited from human trafficking and they want to get rid of them and want open borders that's not what this country is all about. i hope they keep going around letting people know that's what they would do if they were in the majority. maria: i don't understand the idea of open borders. it's really questionable in terms of that being a platform to run on, in terms of immigration and your efforts we just heard from bob goodlatte. are you going to be able to come up with a plan that protects the daca recipients but also protects this country with the
proper security in terms of securing the borders? >> well maria we've had two different bills we brought to the floor that would do just that and as you heard chairman goodlatte say we've had large numbers of republicans vote for it but not one democrat so when you have between the two bills, 224 republicans voting yes to build a wall, secure the border, solve the daca problem, and the visa lottery system and not one democrat could find a way to vote for any of those bills it shows you they don't want to solve this problem and we do, we'll keep working on it but let's look at those votes to show there are serious republican plans to secure this country's border and every single democrat voted no because nancy pelosi bullied them and threatened them and said she didn't want to provide donald trump with a win. that's not what this country is all about. some of the great things president trump has done, working with us to cut taxes, to get the economy moving, to bring regulations under control, it's actually working. they should want to join with us to keep that going to be opposed to the things that are helping
rebuild our middle class is a losing strategy for democrats. maria: and in a also foreign policy you look at the outcomes that have come. jim mattis apparently saying that the nato meeting was a wrong the most successful meetings that he's ever seen. your thoughts on the president's relationship with vladimir putin and what the u.s. needs to do with russia given these horrible stories we just heard about putin from bill browder. >> yeah, putin is a bad guy. he's not our friend. i think what you've got to look at are the actions that president trump has taken to stand up against putin and to stand up against russia and they're significant maria. if you start with the ukraine they're our friend in eastern europe. you saw putin rolling through crimea moving into eastern europe and barack obama sat on the sidelines. those countries by the way they didn't say give us boots on the ground. they said can you just sell us arms so we can pushback against the russians aggression and bomb their tanks, and obama said no president trump said yes and
actually sold them those missile s so they can defend their country and push russia out of eastern europe and that's happening right now. he kicked out diplomats increased sanctions against russia. that's standing up to russia. we need to keep reminding russia they're not our friend and get out of syria, stop allying with some of these rogue countries. maria: kevin brady was on this program last week the chairman of the house ways and means committee he will try to get a vote on tax cuts 2.0 to the floor in september. do you think he'll need democratic support here? is anybody going to vote for tax cuts 2.0 when they're complaining about deficits and they didn't vote for tax cuts 1? >> every single democrat should vote for tax cuts 2.0. maria: but they won't. >> because it's worked for our economy and they probably won't and we'll go forward anyway what chairman brady is doing is important work down at the white house just a few days ago working with president trump to make sure that the cuts include all of the things we want to do to keep this economy growing.
we're seeing historic growth let's keep it growing. we'll have a bill on the floor to do just that in september and it'll pass the house. the real question is will every democrat vote like last time now knowing how well it's working for middle class families. maria: it's a win for president trump for sure. congressman good to see you thanks so much. >> great being back with you maria. maria: congressman steve scalise there. the department of justice just released heavily redacted documents last night relating to the surveillance warrant against a former trump campaign aid so what if anything do these documents tell us? alan dershowitz weighs in, next as we look ahead on sunday morning futures right now. it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same. but while some push high commission investment products, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better.
discredited steele dossier as a major component to apply for surveillance warrant on carter page for his part page is maintaining his innocence. my next guest is the author of the new book, the case against impeaching trump harvard law professor alan dershowitz joins me right now and alan good to see you this morning your reaction to what we've received in terms of this fisa warrant which is heavily redacted every page, massive black spots. what do you think? >> well i'm used to seeing redacted information. i would say 90% of redactions are generally designed to cover people's in competence and they're not national security and i think you should have an objective neutral person go through the redactions and always error in favor of publicly releasing transparencies rather than secrecy but what it also shows us is that there is potentially a violation of the united states supreme court decision called franks vs. maryland and that
case says when you make an application for a warrant you have to be truthful, and if you omit important information or fail to disclose information that might discredit the source, there's a real legal problem and here of course we know that the steele dossier, we know how it was obtained we know the circumstances, and the fisa court didn't know those pieces of information should have known it, and the question really is was there other information sufficient beyond the steele dossier to justify intruding on the privacy rights of an american citizen. we don't know enough yet to answer that question. maria: well we know that one other piece of information used was a yahoo article about the steele dossier, so it was all based on the steele dossier and then they reuped it and they had to get additional sign ups on it three times with the same information, normally when you go go to reup a warrant you have new informational based on the dossier.
look is it high time we all admit that the obama administration spied on the trump campaign because it was a political enemy and there was an election? >> well i'd like to know more about that. that's why right from day one i called for an independent non- partisan expert investigat ing commission that would look at the entire 2016 election, ranging from comey's statements to strzok to whether the obama administration put a spy, all of these things are relevant to all americans and they're non-partisan. we want to see fair elections. we don't want to see the thumb of any fbi agents, justice department officials, russia, comey. even a pinkie on the scale of our election. maria: so what happened to this, it certainly doesn't feel good. it feels like its rigged. this whole thing, what happens now when you're in your estimation, based on what we know from peter strzok, what we know about the hearings in terms of lisa page and of course all of these texts?
>> well we'll see first of all whether any of this appears in mueller's report. this is going to be a report but there are also indictments and some contested cases and in the contested cases lawyers have a gold mine to work with defense lawyers, challenging this fisa application, challenging strzok 's objectivity. all of this will become a basis for legal proceedings and legal challenges. we've already seen judge ellis in virginia question the special counsel, wonder whether or not are they only trying to make people sing but also make them compose. the process is a very flawed one and the more the american people know about it, the more distress ed they are at how special counsel operate particularly in the context of political elections. we need to know more not less. we need less redaction, more transparencies and we have the right to judge for ourselves whether or system of justice is operating fairly, within the constitution, and consistent
with civil liberties. right now there are more questions than answers. maria: we'll keep watching that and wonder when the robert mueller report will be out we're waiting on that of course. good to see you thanks very much for weighing in. thank you so much. maria: alan dershowitz joining us we'll be right back with our all-star panel on all of that. back in a minute.
maria: welcome back the justice department releasing the carter page fisa documents, let's bring in our panel ed rollins is a former reagan bush campaign manager, james freeman assistant editor for the wall street journal editor editorial page, a pleasure to see you both. your reaction to what we've heard this morning ed rollins? >> the truth of the matter is what was discovered with this document and the strzok testimony what have you, hillary was never a target of any investigation, peter strzok admitted she was never under
investigation. clearly strzok was one of the instruments of going after the trump campaign and he's trying to woo the girlfriend and basically, she was very anti- trump. brennan was an anti-trump person and my sense is that they used this idiotic document that was in opposition research document to go violate the fisa rules and all of the rest of it and this whole thing that started carter page is not an operative for the soviet union . the problem is the trump campaign did not have the big significant foreign policy people. these were all kinds of fringe players and i think to a certain extent they got paul manafort and that'll all be next weeks trial will start but i think the reality is there was no there in the american public. maria: that was one of the texts there's no there there. peter strzok said it but you mentioned carter page. if carter page was an agent of foreign power, why is he still running around with no charges, james? no charges. >> its been two years now, and
as you mentioned, a lot of black marker redactions in these documents but one thing that does come through is it appears the dossier was central to it and when they weren't relying on the dossier they were appealing to the authority of yahoo news without pointing out that that was a steele story as well in terms of the source, now why do they continue to say that steele is credible after they even acknowledge in their re applications that he didn't do as he was told and sharing information with the media? that's a question so i think this is another argument for the president to declassify everything, get it out there. enough of the applications, let's see the fisa applications, what are known as the woods notes where the fbi goes through and figures out what they can put in the document. maria: and the editorial board with an op-ed on that asking the president to actually make sure that you declassified these documents is this going to hurt the dems
in the mid-term? >> i think it will because they're arguing things that aren't valid to the american public and it's important their party is getting so far to the left that if the republicans who have a lot of open seats and challenge seats if they talk about the president's programs of getting the economy moving they will do fine but they can't make it a national campaign. maria: and we have to get the gdp number out on thursday and it may very well show 4% growth the outcomes this president has had are very positive and they're insane over it. >> well this, i mean going back to two years later there's nothing on carter page, two years later we're asked to believe this was some secret russian plot to revive the american economy and rebuild u.s. military and strengthen ukraine to resist russian expansionism so it gets harder and harder to believe and i think the president and his republican allies in congress have a pretty strong case on the economy. >> one thing is the russians are trying to play here and they have for a long time and more
publicity this time because they were on this investigation. maria: because they tried to implicate trump and we know russia has been trying to undermine the west for a long time. trump had nothing to do with it great to see you both have a great day everybody i'll see you next week. rs and for the past 15 years i've been a navy federal member. thanks to their fast approval process, when it came time to buy a new car, we got everything we needed to transport my wife's little bundle of joy... ...who i just adore. .. you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia.
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