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home, that is it for this "special report." fair, balanced and unafraid. "the story" hosted by my friend martha maccallum starts right now bearing 94. >> martha: do not say no to that man. >> bret: yes is the answer. >> martha: breaking this evening, the president as you know says that mueller, comey and company are pursuing a witch hunt against them and the wife of the former governor of illinois says she agrees with that. if she claims the same team did the same thing to her husband, who as i said was then the governor of illinois who went to prison in part for saying this about his power as governor to pick a senate replacement for then senator barack obama. >> i've got this thing and it's a leap golden and i'm just not giving it up for nothing. >> martha: good evening, welcome to "the story." i martha maccallum. in her first-ever op-ed that came out today, patty writes this. little did we know how truly corrupt the obama era justice department were with predawn
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raids, overzealous prosecutors and a flair for big flashy press conferences, we have learned the hard way how some prosecutors have weaponized their power to criminalize the routine practices of politics and government. she joins me now exclusively tonight. good to see you once again, patty, thank you for being here this evening. >> thank you. >> martha: the "chicago tribune" has an op-ed that is pushing back. they are saying that you are revising history somewhat in this op-ed. are they right about that in terms of the timeline? they say president obama wasn't even in office when this happened to your husband and they also say that the claim that the charge about selling the senate seat was overturned is not exactly accurate. how do you respond to that? >> it's true that it was under the bush administration when my husband was arrested in december, but it was the obama administration and their justice department that made absolutely
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sure that my husband didn't get anywhere close to a fair trial. they suppressed evidence, they lie to the jury in their closing arguments, they made sure that our evidence, those wiretaps that were so famous, that our wiretaps never even saw the light of day. it was the obama justice department and it's the same people who were held over from the bush justice department that made sure that we didn't get a fair trial. >> martha: let me ask you this, because president trump did bring up a while back on air force one the suggestion that he felt that maybe your husband, his case was handled unjustly and that he had sympathies for that. is that getting anywhere? have you heard anymore about the potential for a pardon from the president ? >> i haven't heard anything at all. we are so grateful for the president to even be thinking about us in that respect. he has given our family a tremendous amount of hope and we
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are confident that the president is going to do what he thinks is right regarding that. so we are -- we say our prayers every night and hopefully look for the day that my husband gets home. but this whole thing happening this weekend is just so familiar to me. i can't believe these people are at it again. whether it's using false information to obtain warrants returning trusted advisors into spies against you, it's almost like i'm reliving it all over again. >> martha: when you talk about this weekend, you are about paul manafort? >> no, i'm talking about the latest revelations about how the fisa court and how they used slander, essentially opposition research for slander against president to spy on him and just like the allegations that they used against my husband to get six wiretaps on all of our phone
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lines was the evidence that they supposedly used was that my husband was going to be doing a lot of fund-raising before the end of the year. this was the allegation. if that doesn't strike terror in the hearts of any american, that they can allege that you will fund raise and that's the wiretap you, i don't know who would feel safe. >> martha: what about your suggestion that the charge about selling the senate seat, which we played in the beginning, and i know you say there was a lot of other evidence that you feel should have been submitted on your husband's behalf and that you feel that it was wrong that it wasn't, but it was not overturned, the charge with relation to that. you say that in the op-ed. do you want to clarify that? >> sure. the appellate court overturned five charges relating to the political logrolling that my husband was accused of, saying you think if i give the president who he wants for the senate seat, he might appoint me
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to be director of health and human services? both kinds of things were totally overturned as perfectly legal politics. all that remains of our case are three fund-raising allegations. fund-raising. my husband is actually the only politician in the history of the united states that is in resin for fund-raising. >> martha: you look at bob macdonald's case and bob menendez case and you feel that your husband, that what they did was more egregious than what he did and that politics came into play. how so? >> with senator menendez, he was given the jury instructions that we wanted in our case. if we were given the same law that he was given in his trial, my husband would be a free man today. but the court played politics and they had to bury my husband so deep that he could never come out and protest. they gave him a 14 year sentence for asking for campaign
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contributions essentially. >> martha: i'm just curious, it seems to me that one of the strongest arguments you have, and i know you go back to the case and talk about the way the jury instructions and all of that, which is very interesting, is the length of the sentence. is that something that you are pursuing with the white house in terms of a possible pardon for him? to say that time served is enough, he has missed so much time with his two daughters growing up and he will never get that back? >> absolutely. my older daughter just graduated from college. she's heading off to graduate school. my younger daughter is learning how to drive and as i'm sitting there next to her in the passenger seat and thinking this is a job for her father. he should be sitting here next to her teaching her how to drive and these are moments that we will never get back. his sentence is at least double that of any other elected official up until that point and it's outrageous for what the charges are. even if you take the charges for face value and believe somehow that it was a fair trial and
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that it's just, that sentence is so out of line from anything in the history of the united states. >> martha: we will see where it goes. patty, thank you very much. good to have you here tonight and we will be watching it very closely. our thanks to you. >> thank you. >> martha: let's bring in marc theissen at american enterprises. and charlie hurt, both are fox news contributor. juan williams is here as well. cohost of "the five" and a fox news political analyst. obviously, patty blagojevich wants to get her husband out of prison, and who can blame her? he missed a lot of time at home with their family. what do you make of her arguments and the fact that she is making it analogous in some ways to what she sees happening now and she believes that it was politically motivated in terms of the length of time of that sentence? >> first of all, your heart breaks for her and for her family and her kids, because they didn't do anything wrong. they've lost their dad to a long prison term and a husband to a long prison term so they are doing their best to try and
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figure out a way to get their husband back and father back and that's completely understandable. however, their case has no legal merit. he was convicted of 18 counts, 13 were upheld on appeal. at the five were dismissed were because of bad jury instruction on a technicality. he was convicted of wire fraud, attempting to solicit bribes and not just in the case of the obama senate seat. he was convicted of extorting a children's hospital for a $50,000 contribution in order to release money to them. he was convicted of extorting racetrack owners before refusing to sign legislation for racetracks. there's a lot of stuff going on, there was not just one case. it was a pattern of extortion. they have lost all their appeals and they have no choice but to get a commutation from the president. it's their only hope. what they're doing is playing the comey card, they are playing the mueller card to make their case. >> martha: exactly and you make excellent points. he was impeached overwhelmingly
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by the illinois house and senate as well. i think the only person who voted not to impeach him was his wife's sister, who was serving in the house. she stuck up for him. but i do think that there is a legitimate claim in terms of the time served and when you look at bob menendez and bob macdonald in virginia, there are a lot of similarities and they got off much easier. >> sure. there's a great argument there in terms of the amount of time. the courts have basically been sort of moved on the issue of what exactly is political corruption? and this is a major constitutional issue and the reason is because there are a lot of skeezy politicians that do skeezy things. we don't like that. and we want to do something to curb that. but of course there is something more terrifying than a skeezy politician, and that is prosecutors that pursue politicians, professional
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prosecutors who pursue professional politicians and we don't really understand everything that's going on and we don't understand are they politically motivated, are they not? that's where i think she raises a lot of interesting points at a time where we ought to be thinking about these sorts of things. from the beginning, the reason the investigation into the trump campaign and those around donald trump, it's so alarming. a major constitutional question is for exactly the reasons that she enunciated. they may not be the best case for this. but the idea that you would have these witch hunts that donald trump calls come up with these investigations into politicians and the only politician i've ever known who got off completely scot-free or got some advantage of it was the clintons. >> martha: he makes a good point. in my mind, you look at this and you do obviously have sympathy for patty blagojevich and her daughters. and you do have to be
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circumspect about both sides of the equation. you have to look at the potential crime and in this case he was convicted on several counts as we have pointed out several times here. you also have to look at the investigators and you have to say is it politically motivated? because what we want is justice in this country and people to have a comfort level that they are getting a fair shake when they are charged with something. >> i don't think there's any question about that, but i also think that you have to be open to the idea that law enforcement has to hold the line against politicians who have power over budget, who have power over contracts, power over appointments like governor blagojevich. so i think what patty will go with blagojevich is doing -- i feel for her losing a husband and a father. but i think what she's doing is trying to appeal donald trump even here tonight and do make the case to president trump, we have a problem similar to yours. if you have a grudge against law enforcement. if you see law enforcement as
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excessive in the use of their powers and abusive, then guess what, i'm the perfect case for you to use and we know that president trump has pardoned joe arpaio. president trump has gone out of the way to pardon denise desousa, fellow conservatives, if you will, especially on the immigration issue. he's going out of his way even to pardon scooter libby. again, in every case it seems like he is sending a message. >> martha: what about mark rich? obama and bush had hundreds of pardons when you look back at the list. hundreds of them. and in many cases it's just a question of believing that there should be some forgiveness for time served. i don't think there's any question that there were laws broken here and you are absolutely right. patty blagojevich is hoping to catch the attention with the president with this op-ed that she wrote entries raising the question. we will see if she gets anywhere. we got to leave it there. thank you very much, great to see all of you.
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>> martha: some encouraging news from north korea today as new satellite images reportedly show some of its missile launch sites are being dismantled as part of the president's deal to denuclearize the korean peninsula. if truly represents a glimmer of hope for the white house. in some rocky negotiations that began in secret during the early days of the 2016 election. and tonight, we are getting a closer look at one part of how the crime-kim negotiations found their beginnings in an american tragedy that is detailed in a deeply researched new story in "gq" magazine. it is called the untold story of otto warmbier. it digs into the secret talks that took place to bring the american college student home, describing what happened to him as "even more shocking than anyone knew." trace gallagher is live and our west coast newsroom tonight with
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the story. a good common traits. >> good evening, martha. "gq" is reporting that in june of last year, president trump signed off on a secret mission to send a plane load of diplomats and doctors enter north korea to bring otto warmbier home. the article says mr. trump told then secretary of state rex tillerson to "take care of him" but it was also known, he had been held for 15 months, was unconscious. his parents were told by his home state of ohio senator rob portman that their son had brain damage, yet they held out hope that he was in a medically induced coma. that hope faded when the plane carrying their son arrived back in cincinnati and they saw him strapped to a stretcher jerking violently and howling. doctors still don't know what caused the injuries, but there was talk of torture and coercion as evidenced by warmbier's confession statement in februar. watch. >> i have been very impressed by the korean government's
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humanitarian treatment of severe criminals like myself. >> later, "the new york times" cited anonymous sources claiming u.s. intelligence reports indicate warmbier was repeatedly beaten by north korea. the torture theory was then embraced by president trump and otto warmbier's parents. >> he was blind, he was deaf. as we looked at him and try to comfort him and look like someone had taken a pair of pliers and rearranged his bottom teeth. >> but a day later the hamilton county ohio coroner contradicted the statement saying she found no signs of trauma to the teeth and no obvious sign of torture, but she also confirmed there was brain damage. here she is. >> there's a couple of ways that you can get that. you either have to discontinue blood flow to the brain, or stop breathing. and what caused either one of those possible events, we wouldn't know. could that have been torture at
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the time? we don't know. >> the writer of the "gq" piece says he spoke to a dozen experts and only one thought there was any remote possibility that warmbier was tortured. and today when fox news asked the state department if warmbier was in fact torture, we were told only that the administration holds north korea accountable for otto warmbier's unjust imprisonment. in warmbier's parents have not yet commented on the "gq" article. >> martha: there's no doubt about it that they are accountable for what happened to him. that's to be sure. thank you. here now, a man who is mentioned quite a bit in the story, a crucial part of the secret negotiations with north korea, executive director of the richardson center for global engagement. has worked in these kinds of cases for years bringing back hostages. thank you very much for being here. first of all, your reaction to the suggestions in this story? >> i think the story is
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thorough, it's deep. it takes into account a lot of different interviews. we were interviewed by the reporter several times and i think the reporter did a good job. there's parts of all of this that none of us know and i think you just touched on it in your coverage. there's no doubt and i got a chance to see him when he came back to ohio, of the damage that he had, but as we heard, we don't know exactly what caused it and i think fred and cindy, his parents, they know everything that they need to know. the north koreans killed their son and they are looking for accountability and there should be accountability. and it's a tragedy and at the same time i also want to remind you that what happened is the exception to other cases that we have seen. i was on your show a few months ago when we welcomed back three
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other americans coming back and they were healthy. there's a lot of mystery around what happened over there. >> martha: it's very clear that he was under mental duress, and how could he not be? and he was a young man with his whole future ahead of him who, according to them, took some piece of propaganda to bring home as a souvenir and then saw his entire life end. he was going to be there for the foreseeable future, 15 years, and there's a suggestion in here that that may have led possibly to something that led to oxygen being cut off to his brain and even the suggestion that he might have tried to take his own life. his parents have not responded to the story. if they do not believe that that is the case in any way. but even if that were the story, what is still clear is that doing this -- and you say that what they routinely do is put them in a room, question him for sometimes 15 hours on end and
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mental torture is absolutely part of the equation in all these cases. >> correct. and especially when you think about him being there, we know what was happening here. we know that there was a movement, there was an attempt to get him. we don't know that he knew any of it. it is possible for somebody in isolation like that to be told many things that can be really devastating. anywhere from -- and might sound not so serious, but for somebody saying your parents don't care about you. your parents have made it your fault. your government, all those things when they are repeated at you and you have no outlet can get to you. again, what the exact cause of his condition, i think we are not going to find out but the overall responsibility and accountability for his health, no matter how it took place, was the north korean government and i think that's the important thing for fred and cindy.
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>> martha: hard to imagine something that would be more torturing to a child then your parents don't care about you. that would be absolutely devastating to this young man or to anyone else. in terms of what we are seeing now, the dismantling of this facility and their nuclear operations, how optimistic are you that they want to move forward with this dismantling? what you think is going on? >> i think what we saw today, the images is a very good sign. it means that secretary pompeo managed to get back on track after a bumpy visit he had. and i think what's important for us to understand is that we are looking at the timing of position, the period of positioning for the both sides. the summit last month was very good. it allowed the two leaders to meet, but it did not produce a workable framework, which was the task of secretary pompeo since. so when secretary pompeo meets harsh language when he visits
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north korea, that the north koreans positioning. when secretary pompeo goes to the u.n. as he did last week to reinstate maximum pressure, that the u.s. positioning. so we are going to see this. it's going to be bumpy and we need to remember not to cry all is lost every time there is a setback and not to celebrate mission accomplished every time we have a step forward. it's going to be a long and bumpy road ahead. >> martha: set off and when the north koreans say no, they mean not yet. something called the new york channel here in new york, which i thought was fascinating as part of the story. thank you very much. great to see her tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: still to come this evening, wow. from america's dad to america's newest sex offender, he is being categorized that way by the state of pennsylvania and people are fighting back. the shocking news story about bill cosby. the republicans slam the president for extending a lifeline to farmers who are hard-hit by his tariffs. the secretary of agriculture
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to help american farmers caught up in the escalating trade war with china. $12 billion in aid will go to farmers whose harvests have been hurt by the tariffs. kendall is the indiana farmer, has been for 40 years and rates in soybeans, corn, wheat, beets, cattle and hogs. also the vice president of indiana farm bureau and board of directors for the american soybean association so he knows of what he speaks. thank you very much for being here. the $12 billion, how does that go over with you? >> obviously we appreciate the president having our backs as farmers and he said that he would do that as this trade issue has continued on. he said he would be supportive of us and while we appreciate that, obviously we would just like to have a deal done would be what we would really like to see done in the long run. >> martha: what kind of deal? you want to see nafta, tpp put back on the table? >> obviously nafta is what needs
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to happen first. nafta is very important to the agriculture economy. it not only indiana, but all farmers in the united states. there are both of those, top five trading partners for the united states. a lot of corn, a lot of soybeans, a lot of meat products are exported to both of those countries and i think what we are being told is that would be the model. so we would like to see nafta done so we can continue to see trade agreements with other countries. that's what the administration said they preferred instead of larger multilateral trade agreements, they would rather see unilateral or bilateral trade agreement so we are anxious to see those take place so our commodities continue to flow to these other countries. >> martha: obviously the president is very concerned about people in your situation and generally part of his base and he does not want to lose your support and here's one of the tweets that he put out today. tariffs are the greatest. either a country which has treated the united states
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unfairly unfairly negotiate the deal or gets hit with tariffs. it's as simple as that and everybody is talking. remember, we are the piggy bank that is being robbed. all will be great. earlier today he said you've got to stick it out, you've got to fight. he's essentially asking for your patience and saying that in the end it will pay off for you. do you believe that? >> i think farmers all along have been very supportive of the administration. secretary purdue has said multiple times as farmers if we raise the commodities and the crops that the government will find a home for those and sell those for us, so we believe that. we want to see that take place and happen. so farmers are free-trade people. we want free trade, we want fair trade. we want open markets. we are over producers in this country, the u.s. farmers are, so we produce way more than what the american citizens can consume, so we have to have a market and export those for our market around the world.
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95% of the population lives outside of the united states, so it's important that our goods get to those people. >> martha: i got to go but before i let you go, do you think it will change anyone's vote or support in your group for the president? is that in danger? >> they are still patient right now. we are a little ways here in the midwest from harvest. we are a couple months away yet. if this drags on and we get past harvests and our bins are full and we have a good crop and we have poor market prices, then i think you are going to see more farmers saying that we need to have this deal done quickly. >> martha: thank you very much. good to speak with you tonight. here now for a story exclusive to answer the questions, secretary of agriculture sonny purdue. welcome. very good to have you with us tonight. what's your response? >> i think again, he's a farmer and farmers are real patriots. there's not a farmer in this country that would not rather have a good crop at a fair price
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then a government check. but when we have trade disruptions that we have no we believe illegal retaliatory tariffs against our farmers, then they need some help and that's exactly what the president has promised, and that's what he has delivered. our farmers, if there were open trade around the world, they would benefit greatly, and that's what we would like to see. there have been nontariff barriers for years and china has treated ever since they got in the wto. so this is what the president is the first want to call them on it and that's what we need, someone to play fair. >> martha: in terms of china and many other countries, they have the ability to manipulate their currency, they can manipulate their markets to a great extent. they can offset some of these tariffs. is this sort of the administration's way of trying to offset while obviously keeping within the rules that we have is a country? >> it is. it's a temporary measure so we can get these trade disruptions resolved. the president wants trade more
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than anyone. he wants free and fair trade. even our allies at the e.u. have nontariff barriers that are damaging our farmers. our farmers are the most competitive in the world. if you turn them loose with reciprocal traits, they can outcompete any one of the world, and that's why we face these unfair trade practices from around the world. >> martha: there's a lot of effort and a lot of discussions to date about exceptions for certain industries, and that's a dangerous road to go down because the next thing you know you are carving out everybody who is lobbying and pushing hard to be the one who gets that exception. >> our farmers provide national food security, which is actually national security, just like our defense. if we don't have enough to eat, this country is in an amazing situation that is not very helpful. that's why the president understands how important the farmers are to the economy and the farmers are important to our national security. >> martha: i'm hearing you are going to protect them and we will see how it all works out.
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agriculture secretary sonny purdue. good to have you on the show tonight. coming up next, john stossel is standing by with a paper straw and it's just a disaster. will any of them live up to plastic? we are going to test it out because you know this problem at home. i know you have witnessed this and john is going to explain it to us. but first, he was once one of america's most beloved figures. comedian bill cosby is now one step away from being labeled a sex offender for life in a state of pennsylvania and that might be the least of what he has coming ultimately. governor mike huckabee with a big picture look at all of this. role models, celebrity, expectations that we have for these people. all of that with the governor when we come back. ♪ i' so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'm up for that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk
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come on, come on, stop. >> did you tell denise she could go out on a date tonight? >> yes i did. >> did you see the boy? >> how ugly is he? >> the fathers are the geniuses of the house. we are the geniuses at the house because only a person as intelligent as we could fake such to stupidity. >> martha: those were the good times. a stunning fall from grace for bill cosby, once regarded as america's dad. wrote a book on fatherhood. his cosby show, his stand-up act, a fatherhood book, all considered to be a role model for people across the country until it all came crashing down with sexual assault convictions, and today a pennsylvania board
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recommended the 81-year-old, who is now under house arrest while he waits for sentencing, which could be 15 years long, while he's doing that at home is declared potentially a sexually violent predator. that's under advisement in pennsylvania right now. if the judge approves and it would mean he has to register with the police for life, undergo mandatory sex offender counseling once a month and if he's released from prison, the neighbors would be alerted to his location. so how did this man get here? joining me now, mike huckabee, former arkansas governor andy fox news contributor. it just occurred to me when i looked at this today. we've all watched the story and it has unraveled. it just makes you question who we hold up as role models and how this kind of person ends up with this kind of situation surrounding them. it's just so disheartening. >> it's one of the saddest stories i think i've ever seen in my life. this entire episode reveals him
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as something totally opposite of what we believed him to be. the people i feel most for obviously the women that he took advantage of whose lives were ruined by his predatory behavior. but i feel sorry for the country because he did a lot to change even the mind of people regarding race because he played an upper-middle-class african-american father, extremely successful, great family, changed the whole view and made it so mainstream and took away a lot of stereotypical and racist roles for african-americans up until that point. and all that is gone. it's tragic. >> martha: it is. unfortunately he joins people of all races who find themselves in this situation in the current world that we are living in and you just realize that there are so many people who believe that pushing the lines with people and crossing the lines and getting people to do things that they don't want to do is far far
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too frequent in this society in terms of what they may see as promiscuity, which it's not. which is actually a violation of someone's freedom and liberty but one of the things that you pointed out in what you sent over to me earlier is this. the whole fatherhood issue and the fact that he at one point in his career was very committed and was actually ruffling a lot of feathers in terms of encouraging black fathers in this country to take responsibility and do not abandon your children and to make sure that they are raised in homes with two parents. >> and he pushed for strong education and accountability and responsibility. he made it very clear that nobody should go around saying i'm the victim, because what you should do is take responsibility for your life, your actions and at that he was the iconic american dad. he gave us a picture that we didn't have really since father knows best back in the '50s. so it was an incredible role. and bill cosby owned -- he owned
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the '80s on television. his show was number one for five years that it was on the air and always in the top 20. and yet what we see i think from this is that the people that we can look to as role models because of their public persona may be very different in private and it gives us pause, but it shouldn't take away that the role he played is a role that fathers should seek to be, and i pray that that won't get destroyed. >> martha: i think if you want to look for role models, you should look -- i look to my dad, who is a fantastic father, and maybe don't look at these celebrities. look closer to home, look for people who you know and who you trust and who really do create role models that we can all look up to and i think everybody hopefully has somebody like that in our lives. i know your daughter feels like that about you. you are a pretty good dad. >> thank you. let's hope we don't have many stories like this again. thank you for having me. >> martha: governor, thank you very much.
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great to see you as always. all right, the great showdown of the straw. we've been discussing this a lot lately at "the story." how much it bothers us that you can't find plastic straws anymore. some people think they are saving the environment by switching amount for paper, but john stossel is really good drilling down on this stuff and he did just that. so he's going to tell you if you really have to worry about your plastic straw or not, next. ♪ i've been making blades here at gillette for 20 years. there's a lot of innovation that goes into making america's #1 shave. precision machinery and high-quality materials from around the world. nobody else even comes close. now starting at $7.99. gillette. the best a man can get.
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♪ >> straw suck and we are no longer going to allow for plastic straws in san francisco. >> their time has come and gone. >> martha: they are talking about straws. san francisco and new york preparing a war on's plastic straws. so what's behind this and to the alternative straws that are being offered even work? john stossel, author of "no they can't: why government fails but individuals succeed." so this weekend i was out, a couple meals out, lunch, dinner, cocktail, everything. came with a straw that eventually in the hot sun started falling apart in the middle of drinking it and you can get to the bottom. what's going on? >> it's one more pointless
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environmental zealotry. we are going to ban straws because there's a lot of plastic in the ocean, it's a real problem. but almost all of it comes from asia and africa. almost none of it from the united states. and banning the straws is going to make no difference in what people are going to use instead our paper, which disintegrate. >> martha: which falls apart. >> or they want us to use reusable straws like this metal one or this plastic reusable one. >> martha: you are supposed to carry this amount in your purse and take it home and wash it out so wherever you go -- it's very large, by the way. this is my straw. i have my own straw. that's what you're supposed to do? >> or starbucks giving up plastic straws. if they are going to use washable ones, do you really trust the fast food place to wash the straw? >> martha: absolutely not. so it started with a child who did a report that says that there were 500 million straws being used, but unfortunately he's nine years old and the number was wrong and it just took off like wildfire.
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>> because he was cute and cnn put him on tv. a 9-year-old kid. he called some straw companies and said there are 500 million used in many of them end up in the ocean, but real number is much lower in the number from the united states is pretty small. >> martha: san francisco, seattle has no straws. don't try to get a straw in seattle. san francisco, there is a daily wire piece today that talks about how they think ridiculous it is that san francisco is considering banning straws. it comes at a time when san francisco is currently experience a couple public health crisis. a website that allows residents to request maintenance has received 16,000 complaints with the keyword feces. that's the really disgusting problem they have on their hands but they are very excited that they have outlawed straws. >> the environmental movement has been great. converters on cars, scrubbers
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and smokestacks. the epa has been wonderful but it should now stand for enough protection already because we are now down to pointless things like straws. >> martha: surprised how quickly it catches on. like overnight. >> it makes you feel good. somebody else is going to give up straws. the substitutes cost more in the environment, it's just a penny or two but if you are in business, that makes a difference. >> martha: you are drinking out of a paper straw but it stuck in a big plastic cup. i don't know. i don't know where all this is going but tom brady was, who everyone knows i love, has also recommended that i give it up. >> even he fell for it. >> martha: he wants you to have one of these. john stossel, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> martha: can i keep one to try it out? >> you pay for them. >> martha: coming up, the internet has proclaimed senator orrin hatch dead. he has something he wants to say about that coming up next. ♪ waking him up.
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>> martha: finally tonight, a very important story. orrin hatch wants to clear up a little bit of a misunderstanding after google search result listed him as being dead since last year. he tweeted "hi, google, we might need to talk." making sure that everybody knows that he is definitely still here by posting this "here is senator hatch preparing for an interview just weeks ago, alive and well. and his 84th birthday back in march, the theme was bacon, and he even provided this video evidence. >> the reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. >> martha: did he say that? we are very glad that orrin hatch is still alive. we wanted him to come on tonight to prove it, maybe he will come on tomorrow night, what do you think about the straw thing?
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already see turtles with straws in their nose, we will see if they are actually accurate, because we might have to revisit, but this is the straw cleaner that comes with a portable straw, so if you like that kind or this kind, you can email us at "the story." and we will share. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," we know that it is a little bit strange, a little bit odd that john brennan still has a high level security clearance. he does not work for the government anymore. he is a cable news gap or who spends his life yelling at people on twitter. he is also a political extremist who if you listen carefully seems unbalanced. john brennan gets a security clearance, why not the homeless guy talking to himself on the bus? it seems like a fair question. apparently the white house agreed. the administration announced that it is seeking to remove clearances for john brennan, jim clapper, and o

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