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>> rhythm guitarist there. >> is that bad? >> guitarist? >> we'll see you here tomorrow. >> bill: breaking news at this hour. moments ago president trump firing back at secretly recorded conversation between the president and his attorney has been leaked. did anyone break the law? that's where we start. i'm bill hemmer live here. >> julie: three hours, i'm julie banderas in for sandra smith. the president and his personal attorney slamming the audio recordings given to cnn by cohen's attorney. mcdougal claims she has an affair with the president. >> giuliani says it doesn't prove anything. >> there is no indication of any crime being committed on this tape and that's right. cohen says we need financing.
the president says wait a second, what, financing? then he has to explain it. the president did not know about this before this conversation at least with regard to the transaction that we're talking about. >> julie: kevin corke is live from the north lawn with us this morning. >> what a morning. you can imagine if there are, julie dozens perhaps or at least a dozen such taped conversations you can imagine how you would snip at this story to death between now and the 2020 election which might explain why the president is on twitter this morning asking the question why would michael cohen tape their conversations? take it to the president's social media platform. what kind of lawyer would tape a client? so sad. is this a first? never heard of it before. why was the tape so abruptly terminated, cut while i was presumably saying positive things? i hear there are other clients and many reporters that are taped.
can this be so? too bad. here is a clip from one such recording again about we believe about that alleged payment to finish off the catch and kill story about the president, then private citizen trump's alleged trist. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of the info regarding our friend david. i've actually come up and spoken to allen about how to set the whole thing up with -- with funding. and it's all the stuff because, you know, you never know where that company. correct, so i'm all over that. and i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing, which will be --
>> what financing? >> you heard the words cash and check there. a dispute in typical washington fashion. two people can hear the same thing and hear wildly different things at the same time having credibly different interpretations. here is the president's attorney rudy giuliani. >> this is at most an attempt to do something. i don't know of any attempt in this category of crime that they're looking at. in any event, i don't think anyone can suggest that this represents anything where the president did anything wrong. >> for his part mr. cohen's attorney, lanny davis, a long-tim clinton attorney and advisor said he will call out giuliani for misleading people about what was said in that conversation. here is lanny davis this morning. >> i say to everybody who voted for donald trump, don't believe me, i'm a democrat. listen to the tape. the words don't pay are not heard. the word cash, so it's not
about cash versus not cash. it's about truth and the power of the truth is what michael cohen now has. >> we're off and running on another busy day at the white house. for the record, we have reached out to white house officials and they've been consistent, julie, in telling us they'll send all inquiries over to rudy giuliani and the president's legal team. >> julie: i hope you are wearing your running shoes this morning. you need them. >> bill: let's analyze what we think we know now. judge andrew napolitano. nice to see you. giuliani's case, no payments ever made. giuliani's case, no indication of any crime. is there? >> there doesn't appear to be the indication of any crime. i think that's the wrong analysis. there is an indication of a fraud and the significance of that is if the client and the lawyer discuss the commission of a crime or discuss the commission of a fraud there is no attorney/client privilege in
that conversation. meaning the tape can be used by anybody who can get their hands on it for any purposes. >> bill: which would include? >> which include mcdougal if she is suing the president. bob mueller if he is investigating the president. what's the fraud? the conversation is about paying national -- it's about paying "national enquirer" to pay mcdougal -- believe the "national enquirer" is going to publish the story but the aim is to bury the story by duping her into selling it to them and not publishing it. that failure to be truthful to her and the involvement of donald trump and michael cohen in that decision is the fraud. >> bill: you say it's not a criminal fraud it's a civil fraud. >> criminal fraud is where you dupe somebody out of cash to enrich yourself.
civil fraud is when you dupe somebody out of cash for some other purpose. the other purpose here was to keep the story from being put in the press by lying to her and telling her we'll pay you $150,000. you don't talk to anybody else and we'll publish your story when they never intended to publish that. >> bill: based on that analysis criminal is more severe than civil. >> of course it is. but both civil fraud, criminal fraud are enough to burst the attorney/client privilege and where the giuliani argument fails and the lanny davis argument prevails. >> bill: two more questions. rights were never bought to the story on behalf of the trump team, correct? the story was never printed. does that give a fair explanation for what was happening here? >> as i understand it, and i could be wrong, the money went from some source, michael cohen, donald trump, to the newspaper, to ms. mcdougal.
she thought she was selling her story to be published. because they misled her there wasn't an intention to publish it that transaction was broken. >> bill: was anything done that was illegal? >> that's an analysis for mueller to make. if it was to help the campaign, campaign finance laws were broken but it is not a crime. a violation of a statute. >> bill: does that mean giuliani is right? >> he is correct in that there is no criminal violation. he is incorrect by not addressing the fact this is a fraud because he knows that crimes and fraud both vishiate the attorney/client privilege. >> bill: 12 audio tapes he gave to the feds. >> god only knows what is in them. he didn't give them to them.
rudy waived the attorney/client privilege with respect to this tape because he believes it helps the president. there is no crime. it hurts the president in that there is fraud. >> bill: do you think the president has something to worry about here? >> yes. >> if there is no attorney/client privilege the tapes go to bob mueller to do with whatever he is going to do to it. >> bill: my regards to you on the passing of your father. >> thank you for coming yesterday. >> julie: another big story this morning as we're watching isis is now claiming responsibility for the toronto attack that killed two people and wounded 13 others on sunday. the terror group calling the shooter a soldier of the islamic state. brian is live. where did the isis claim come
from exactly? >> good morning, julie. let me begin by saying that toronto police are still investigating the motive behind sunday night's mass shooting that left two people dead and 13 others wounded. however, this morning on official isis media the terrorist organization claimed responsibility for the shooting carried out by 29-year-old faisal hussein. the claim says the attacker in the city of toronto in southeastern canada sunday night was a soldier of the islamic state and he carried out the attack in response to the call to target citizens of coalition nations. it is important to note here that isis has falsely claimed responsibility for attacks in the past and no evidence has been provided to back up this particular claim. yesterday, though, canada's public safety minister said this. at this stage based on the state of the investigation which is led by the toronto police service, there is no connection between that individual and national
security. hussein's family said he had severe mental health challenges and struggled with psychosis and depression his entire life. medications and therapy did not work and they expressed their deep condolences to the victims as we're learning more about the two killed in the attack. the 10-year-old girl has been identified. the 18-year-old woman also. she was killed as she was out celebrating a friend's birthday. she was on her way to college to study nursing. julie. >> julie: there is now a proposal to ban handguns after this shooting. tell us about it. >> the public safety minister says that prime minister justin trudeau's government is prepared to consider an outright ban on handguns. he said the government is prepared to consider the arguments for such a ban and take that seriously. it is already much harder to acquire guns legally in canada than the united states.
it is regulated federally and you must pass a five year background check to buy a permitted gun. >> bill: fox news alert. unfolding story today. secretary of state mike pompeo firmly defending president trump hours before testifying on capitol hill. have a listen. >> one of the things that gets lost is the determination that this administration has had in pushing back against russian maligned behavior around the world. >> bill: pompeo faces questions on two historic summits. marco rubio coming up next. >> when we try to contact and get no response the only thing we can do is protect our civilians. >> julie: israel saying it will defend itself when it needs to hours after shooting down a syrian war plane.
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says he is going right at the questions about helsinki and the summit with putin. what are you doing? >> well look, i think the summit as i said already before i don't think it went very well for the administration and the perception it left after that first meeting. then there is rhetoric and words and then there are actions and policies. i think so far you could say while i may not necessarily agree with all the words that the president used in helsinki, his policies on russia, we want to be fair, have been stronger than the previous administration and any administration since the end of the cold war dealing with putin's hostilities. i'm more interested in policies. mike pompeo wasn't the one standing in helsinki and at the end of the day he is in charge of implementing the administration's policies through the state department and that's what i'll focus on are policies. what are we going to deter the next attack in 2018 if putin decides to interfere with our elections? what are we doing about nato, crimea, isis and the talks with north korea and the like? those are the things i hope we'll focus on.
>> bill: i don't know how much pompeo can offer on the private meetings. he can tell you a lot about north korea. >> what we want to know is what was happening in the private meeting is what are the policies going to be, the vision of this relation with russia. i'm as anti-putin as anybody. there is nobody here that has worked longer or harder on the issues of vladimir putin than i have. i recognize we need to have a relationship with him because they have a large stockpile of nuclear weapons. i want to make sure that relationship is based on the truth and reality of who vladimir putin is and what his goals are as they relate to the united states. and so that's what i'm interested in public policy, not a show to relitigate words. policy is what i want to know about. >> bill: mike pompeo is in california on saturday and the president set out the tweet directed at the iranian leadership in all caps. the "wall street journal"'s opinion page rights this about pompeo. mr. pompeo also offered support
to iran's protestors declaring the united states hears you, the united states supports you, the united states is with you. his words would reach ordinary iranians given that millions use technology. there is a lot more in that piece as well. you know in the streets of iran during the last revolution president obama did not have their back and they paid a price for that. this administration appears to have a different posture. do you believe that? >> it's kind of funny. a week ago everybody was upset the president didn't speak harder against vladimir putin. a week later he speaks quite hard against someone who threatened the united states. chants death to america every week and responsible to continue to sponsor terrorism around the world and suddenly it's a bad thing. it's important we speak strongly when it comes to that. policies matter and i think policies on the iran deal have
been great. when someone threatens you, words do matter. i never meant to say they didn't. policies matter more. but policies and words are strong in this case. >> bill: important point and i'll move to the next one. do you see a coordinated effort on behalf of this administration to squeeze the iranian leadership in a way they haven't felt it before? >> no doubt the iranian leadership is facing the squeeze. they have the pending threats of sanctions because the iran deal is gone. they have a huge fuel shortage in the country. they don't know what they'll do. ration, cut the price, raise prices? they have a long drought that is creating a lot of anxiety and people are angry. they see the money being spent to sponsor hezbollah and hamas but what about the people of iran? they're facing tremendous pressure from within. this administration has had a role to play in that absolutely. >> bill: last point on china. can the president win on the
tariff battle? >> we don't have a choice. >> bill: you're big on making sure the chinese don't infiltrate our military through their technology. >> i don't think they should be allowed to do business in the united states, period. on the issue of trade, china's economy is one big tariff. the most unfair deal you've seen in your life. the chinese basically say we want our companies to go to your country and sell anything they want any way they want and we want to buy anything we want. your companies cannot come into china. if we allow them to come in we'll force you to partner with a chinese company to steal your secrets and one day replace you and put you out of business. the craziest thing ever. finally an administration is standing up for them. we're running out of time to get this right. they don't seek parity, they seek to overtake us and dominate us economically. we cannot allow that to happen. this is our last chance to
confront it. i hope we stay strong on it. >> bill: thank you for your time. 3:00 hearing today. we'll cover it live. >> julie: president trump speaking at the vfw national convention yesterday making the promise to one veteran to fulfill a lifetime dream. >> bill: top d.o.j. officials will be meeting with house republicans on the push to get to all the documents on what led intel to surveil the trump campaign. we'll hear from a member of one of those committees trying to get some answers coming up next. >> more cooperation since we issued the subpoena. much greater access to unredacted documents than we've had before but we have a long way to go. woman: it felt great not having hepatitis c. it's like a load off my shoulders. i was just excited for it to be over. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c.
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stage with the president at the convention in kansas city yesterday afternoon. jones calling the moment one of the highlights of his life before asking the president the following question. >> i'm going to be 95 years of age april 11th of next year. hopefully that you will allow me to bring my family into the oval office to meet you. [cheering and applause] >> bill: a sweet moment. >> julie: very sweet. >> bill: great man. 94. spry, running up the stairs. >> julie: he gets to go to the white house. the white house is going to invite him and his family into the oval office. very sweet moment. so some house republicans are still considering an option to hold d.o.j.'s deputy attorney general rod rosenstein in contempt of congress.
they say he is stonewalling efforts by their committees to receive documents from the justice department. meanwhile, a big meeting is planned today between the d.o.j. and top g.o.p. lawmakers to discuss where things stand on the process of producing those documents. congressman chris stewart is a member of the house intelligence committee and joins me now. thank you for talking to us. congressman mark meadows, the chairman of the house freedom caucus still weighing the introduction of a resolution to punish rosenstein. do you think a vote to hold him in contempt of congress will be forced today? >> i think it's unlikely. maybe we'll be surprised. to answer if it's appropriate is the primary question. could we maybe go up a little bit and remember this? the department of justice was created by congress and they and the f.b.i. were given enormous power. the ability to survey, spy,
listen to phone calls, read texts and emails. talk to your family. if you are under suspicion they have enormous power. we didn't give them the power and say go do what you want, don't tell us, we don't want to know, we trust you. we absolutely have to hold them accountable and mr. rosenstein has made that incredibly difficult. it is like death by a thousand cuts. the reason they're doing it isn't to protect sources and methods, it's frankly to protect themselves from embarrassment. >> julie: when you withhold documents you are withholding evidence. for an investigation to be properly completed all parties need to have the evidence moving forward. under house rules lawmakers can force a vote such as this privileged motion two days after filing it. at least that's according to the law. already those two days not possible for a vote before the house because there is a five-week recess starting tomorrow. this could still be filed i'm
told from washington insiders a vote could still be forced even though it's not within the two days. what does it say to gop leadership first of all that this force vote could happen without speaker ryan's blessing? >> i think it's unlikely. i understand what mark is trying to do. keep the pressure on. i appreciate that and i think we should. we're better if we do it in a thoughtful manner. i think his behavior has been disregarding entirely or nearly entirely to congress. i understand that. i think we're better to build the argument, to actually have a debate on the floor to present to the american people why we are going to hold him in contempt and to defend that action and to convince the american people. i think that's lacking in this process and because that's lacking i'm afraid it would be viewed as another partisan activity. i think we're better to present our evidence and convince the american people. >> julie: what about seeking
impeachment? holding him in contempt for stonewalling congress's ability to get documents is one thing. these documents shed light on the russia probe now led by mueller who is trying to negotiate with president trump's attorneys on a sit-down. you would think that the president's attorney should have all these documents before them before they allow it to happen. >> i would imagine so. that would be up to the president's attorneys to make that argument and i understand why they would. again, more broadly it's not just the withholding this information entirely to protect themselves from embarrassment. there is more than that. if you've seen the carter page/fisa application released although redacted over the weekend. there are serious questions about that. those individuals who signed those applications. there are other things i think mr. rosenstein has to answer to. leaking, for example, and creating a culture not only in the department of justice but
f.b.i. with senior people signaled it's okay to leak if it benefits you or your argument. >> julie: it's not okay to leak. congressman, i didn't mean to cut you off. we're out of time and we have a bit of a delay between the two of us. thank you very much for talking and taking the time this morning. >> thank you. >> bill: more breaking news. israel saying it's prepared to defend itself a day after the shootdown of a syrian war plane as the u.n. holds another big meeting of escalating tensions in the middle east. israeli ambassador will lay out his case coming up live next. >> where are the arab countries when it comes to encouraging reconciliation between palestinian factions, which is essential to peace? where are the arab countries when it comes to denouncing hamas terrorism?
>> bill: it is 9:33. state media in turkey saying the pastor brunson is under house arrest. the 50-year-old american will be kept there until his trial. the north carolina pastor addressed in december of 2016 accused of working for a terror group behind a failed coup attempt. he strongly denies the charges. president trump has been calling for the release since taking office and again last week demanded his release yet again. >> president trump: i withdrew the united states from the horrible, one-sided iran nuclear deal. [cheering and applause] >> president trump: we're ready to make a real deal. not the deal done by the previous administration, which was a disaster. >> julie: that was president trump yesterday weighing in on a recent war of words between the u.s. and iran. the president keeping the door
open to possibly renegotiate the iran nuclear deal. let's bring in israel's permanent representative to the united nations danny dannon. we should make it very clear iran is not north korea. they are different. they must be dealt with a bit differently. how do you fight the fight with iran differently than you do with north korea? >> they're a bad actor continuing to fund terrorism in middle east, lebanon, syria, you name it, you'll find funding coming from iran. they are continuing to build their ballistic capabilities. it was a bad agreement signed by the previous administration and it was time to change that agreement. four main issues with the previous agreement. first you have allowed them to do ballistic missile tests. second you cannot inspect. you tell iran you are coming to inspect military bases, it is a joke. third, what will happen in seven years?
it is coming next morning we wake up in seven years and funding terrorism, what we see today in syria and lebanon is all coming from iran. >> julie: let's talk about what is happening in syria and israel's move to shoot down a syrian airplane. what's the significance. >> our policy is not to get involved in the syrian civil war. what we saw yesterday jets coming into israel we send a very clear message to the syrians, we have a cease-fire agreement since 1974. respect it. if you invade our airspace we'll shoot down your airplanes. >> julie: this is the first shooting down of a syrian jet since the u.s. navy f-18 super hornet shot down a syrian airplane in june of 2017. let's talk about iran's aiding terrorists because the terrorism in syria is fueled by
iran. north korea has decided it is going to go ahead with this very slow-going denuclearization process. with iran we want them to get rid of their nukes but get them to stop the filtration of these weapons into other countries that are meant to harm not only the israelis but our troops. where do you stand there? >> we saw the demonstrations in iran and the people in iran saying enough spending our money on terrorism. look what is happening today in syria? they have more than 80,000 militants being paid by iran to fight in syria. by the way, the war is finished. isis has been defeated. why do you still have so many troops in syria. they want to take over syria. netanyahu will not allow them to build bases and syria today. >> julie: mike pompeo will testify today. among the topics is north korea
and also talking about his summits with kim jong-un and putin. the u.s. senators are expected to grill him hard. what will they be looking for do you think? >> we are more concerned with iran than north korea. we stand to see a change in the policy of other arab nations that are coming now and speaking with the u.s. about the future of peace maybe. original agreement. we welcome the involvement. >> julie: ambassador, thank you for coming in today. >> bill: 22 before the hour. yet another trump-backed candidate picking up a win. this time in georgia. brian kemp won his primary for governor and will advance. jonathan serrie live in athens, georgia. >> brian kemp says president trump's endorsement late on in this race was what led him to
victory. president trump tweeted congratulations on your big win in georgia last one. he won 69% of the vote to casey cagle who came in just under 31%. kemp now hopes to unify his party as he goes into the general election campaign against democrat stacy abrams. >> this is a blood sport sometimes and you have to get over it quickly and move on. we have a big fight ahead of us. this will be a national race with stacy abrams. >> after conceding the race casey cagle called on his supporter to rally behind kemp and they plan to appear at a unity rally thursday. both parties are anticipating this campaign leading up to the november general election is going to be both difficult and highly expensive. >> bill: a lot of attention, too. jonathan serrie in georgia today. >> julie: this video was caught on tape and watch this. >> stop the train, move, move,
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>> bill: a long way from a goldfish, retriever. we're legitimate and tough. >> julie: i like how she decided to beat a drum. how would you get a lion from behind your couch? would you use a drum? do you own one? >> bill: i have an idea now. 15 minutes before the hour. >> president trump: maxine waters and perhaps even worse nancy pelosi -- they've launched vicious smears on the brave men and women who defend our community. when you hear open borders, when you hear get rid of ice, when you hear some of the things that they're proposing, it is like you can't even understand it. >> bill: tough words to some democrats who want to abolish ice picking up steam toward the mid-terms. in the same event in missouri yesterday the president was stumping for the republican senate candidate josh hawley trying to unseat democrat
claire mccaskill. josh hawley is with me now. thank you for your time. yesterday was a big day for you. a primary on the 7th of august two weeks away. you have to get past that and then hopefully take on claire mccaskill. what did the president do for you yesterday? >> huge to have the president and vice president's support and have them in the state and really clarifies the stakes of this race. this is one of the most important senate races in the country. a clear contrast. do people in missouri want someone like mccaskill who will not secure the border or support the president or meet with brett kavanaugh. someone who wants -- supports people who want to abolish ice. or do they want somebody who will stand with the president and get things accomplished in washington that's what this race is about. >> bill: it is really close here. the president won the state by almost 20 points in 2016. she has a lot of money and she
is spending it, too. she spent already 3 1/2 million. she has 12 million on hand. you have around 3 million. that could matter in the end. how do you make up that difference? >> well, i tell you, you trust the voters and by having a record that respects the wishes of the voters. you're right, the president won the state by 20 points. claire mccaskill has sold out the state of missouri for the big special interest liberal donors. money is important to her, bill and she is awash in it. she's collecting it from hollywood on wall street. in missouri they want somebody who will stand up for the farmers, secure our borders and put conservative judges on the bench. that's the contrast between senator mccaskill and me. >> bill: are you working hard enough for it? a piece two months old that says the republican golden boy
mails it in. what did that mean? >> well, fake d.c. news is what it means. we're constantly being criticized by the d.c. establishment media most who are big supporters of claire mccaskill and don't like the fact i have stood with the president from day one. the president endorsed me in this race last november. it hasn't earned me the favor of the d.c. media or establishment press anywhere. but i don't care. it doesn't bother me. we're out there every day out working senator mccaskill who can't be bothered to get off her private jet most of the times. we'll earn this race and earn the support of the people of missouri. we aren't trying to buy it with out of state money. i look forward to the results come november. >> bill: do you think this is a -- your race specific. is it a referendum on the president and the job he has done for claire mccaskill? >> it's ultimately about claire
mccaskill and her record. do people want to hire her again? and if you look at her record i think the answer will be no. this is someone who won't vote to secure the border. somebody who thinks that the federal government ought to be helping illegal immigrant teenagers get abortions. somebody who doesn't support our farmers. this is why she has the lowest approval rating of any incumbent senator on a ballot in 2018 and why we'll send her home. >> bill: we've invited claire mccaskill, too and hope she takes us up on our invitation. >> julie: several top democrats vowing to block the confirmation of trump supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. why some lawmakers are refusing to even meet with him. "america's newsroom" a-team takes this on next hour. >> bill: new details on the deadly shooting at a trader joe's last week. what we're learning about what happened as new video from the scene comes into "america's
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l.a. supermarket last week. investigators now saying the store manager killed during the stand-off was struck by police gunfire as they were chasing the gunman. she was caught in the crossfire. the l.a. police department devastated by the news. >> as a father, as an individual it's unimaginable the pain of the family and everyone who knew her. and we share that pain today. >> julie: jonathan hunt is following the story from the west coast newsroom live. what a tragic ending. >> it was a split second decision to fire, julie, under the most intense pressure and an innocent woman died as a result. the whole tragic incident sparked by 28-year-old gene atkins leading police on a wild chase as seen at the lapd recording after shooting his grandmother and kidnapped his girlfriend. he then crashed into a utility
pole outside a trader joe's and ran inside still firing. two officers made the decision to return fire weighing the consequences of shooting in a crowded area against the thought that atkins could harm scores of shoppers inside the trader joe's. that 27-year-old was heading out of the store add atkins rushed in. a police bullet struck her hitting her arm and entering her body. she died at the scene. a tragic accident the police chief says his officers will live with for the rest of their lives. >> they had to make a split-second decision and as they did that, i'm here to say that is the worst -- worst decision that any officer ever wishes to have to make. but at the same time, our duty
to protect the public is sworn. >> atkins appeared in court yesterday facing 31 charges. he is being held on $19 million bail. >> julie: jonathan hunt, thank you. >> bill: there was a heated war of words between a conservative congressman and democratic socialist. they've gone at it. congressman ron desantis will be live to respond in our 11:00 a.m. hour. also there is this just out. a lot more in the back and forth escalating between michael cohen and the white house over the audio tape of the president. did anyone here break the law? that's up next at the top of the hour. people would stare.
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>> bill: president trump on the attack this morning after new audio recordings of a conversation with his former lawyer are leaked to the public. hour two, are you ready? >> julie: let's go. >> bill: only a third of the way there. >> julie: i have my running shoes on. >> bill: sandra has the day off. >> julie: i'm julie banderas. what does the latest bombshell mean and how did we get here? >> bill: it brings us to our news feed today for the journalists who bring it to you. >> have you haven't been watching television tonight you didn't know what was released an hour ago. >> cnn playing what it calls secret recordings between then candidate donald trump and his then attorney michael cohen. >> the recording is from september of 2016 between cohen and donald trump. >> the pair discussed purchasing the rights to a
story about an alleged affair with a playboy model. >> when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay? >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> giuliani says it vindicates the president. >> no indication of any crime being committed on this tape. that's absolutely right. the president did not know about this before this conversation at left with regard to the transaction that we're talking about. >> bottom line giuliani said he was trying to keep it to the up and up. lanny davis was amused by giuliani's statement saying the truth is on michael could hen's side. >> a campaign to disparage mr. cohen? he has truth on his side. >> question this morning did anyone break the law? >> what a morning, right? we're off an running on another busy day at the white house. >> bill: time for the a-team.
lisa boothe senior fellow at the independent women's voice and noah rothman, commentary magazine. mo elleithee, the institute of politics and public service. hello. are you guys doing all right? all the attorneys are gathered here today. first of all, the audio that has been leaked michael cohen and donald trump 2016. here is how part of that went. >> so i'm all over that and i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing, which will be -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> bill: and then it gets cut off. we talked to the judge last hour. you made a strong case you could find something wrong here on a civil complaint. then you can make a case that no laws were broken. what do you think, lisa?
>> i'll leave it up to the attorneys to debate that aspect. i think the big issue and big concern for the president is the fact that michael cohen once said he would take a bullet for the president and it is becoming evident he no longer would. there is at least 12 tapes. president's trump team have waived the attorney/client privilege to that. michael cohen's attorney is saying there is more here. michael cohen knows everything. the thing to look for here is the continued breakdown of that relationship that used to be really strong. and what arises with that. >> bill: giuliani said there were no more tapes. no other tapes of the president. we have all the tapes in our possession. that's what he said. here is his voice now on that. >> there are no other tapes with the president. we have all the tapes in our possession. we have transcripts of all of them. we're comfortable with them. and there are no others. >> bill: does that change your
analysis? >> look, ultimately we'll see. again, i think the big issue here at least for president trump is the breakdown in that relationship with michael cohen and what arises from that. what is most disturbing here is the attorney/client privilege. it is not illegal to secretly record somebody's audio in new york. if it happened in florida you need consent by both parties. was a crime committed here and what was his intent in recording this if he was his right-hand man? >> in new york it's a one-party consent state. you don't need the other party's consent. you can record whoever you want. >> julie: i record this one and have a bug on him all the time. >> you are in a world of sharks here. he knew he was in a position he could be compromised by his client but he performed an act that was unethical but done to
from protect him. the fondest hopes of donald trump's -- it is thin gruel. >> bill: over time it's a pay-out with money and it is not even a substantial amount. >> to establish a campaign violation that's not something that's unheard of. >> bill: it is minor. >> it happened to barack obama and something that happens. politically when it came out in february it was called fake news. presidential spokesman. this has nothing to do with the media. the president addressing it on tape. nothing to do with the press. the people can go there was no media involved here. you and your attorney confessing the legitimacy of this story. that could undermine him. >> bill: confessing to what? >> confessing to the fact he had an extramarital affair and they tried to silence the client with the complicity
allegedly of the "national enquirer". >> i think that point can't be understated. the president just yesterday stood at a podium and told the american people -- told his supporters do not believe what you hear in the press, what you see and what you hear is not what is happening. here we hear the president in his own voice contradicting what he said months later on air force one when directly asked this very question by the press and he denied that he knew anything about a payment. here we now know the president did know. that's issue number one. if you thought donald trump -- if you voted for donald trump because you thought everyone in washington was lying and you thought he would be different, guess what? he ain't. >> bill: rights were never bought to the story. the story was never printed. you are jumping through hoops to make sure to try to make your case that the trump team through his attorney was trying to conceal this story. >> you have on tape michael
cohen talking about setting up a corporation in order to run money through and the president knows fully well and assents to it. the president lied to the american people repeatedly when he said he did not know anything about this. >> bill: more on giuliani sound bite number three not paying for cash. this is critical, too. laura ingraham last night. >> the major point is it's outrageous that someone would tape his client surip tishously and number two it's fool hardy for them to yell and scream and make believe what's on the tape. the transcript makes it quite clear at the end that president trump says quote, don't pay with cash. cohen then interrupts and says no, no, no, i got it. >> bill: giuliani say the tapes help his client in this case.
>> you'll have both sides make obviously separate arguments. the bigger issue if any laws were broken and we don't know the answer to that. my understanding is michael cohen hasn't been charged with anything. we don't know that fact. as mo said we'll continue learning about this story and we'll ultimately see if any crimes were committed or not. >> julie: noah, there is also conflicting information whether or not rudy giuliani approved the release of the tapes. at first we heard he did and the reason he did so is because they vindicated his client. now we aren't sure if he did or did not. i can't imagine if he released them that he could be concerned they would end up in the wrong hands. >> i heard it came from lanny davis. >> julie: they had breaking news last night and lanny davis is sitting there in the studio. where do you think the tapes came from?
>> i struggle to see the relevance of the cash versus check angle. >> julie: this is supposed to be used in trial. to reveal evidence like this to be used at trial is very concerning if i were an attorney and trying to protect the president and the opposite side is releasing evidence to the public? you can't do that before a trial. that stuff is supposed to be locked up. >> unless the intent is to prejudice the public against the proceedings in the courtroom. >> julie: then you can ruin a case that way. we'll have to wait and see. >> one thing that i think all my attorney friends this morning are buzzing about whether or not they support the president or they are critics of the president is why they would waive attorney/client privilege. when you are in the middle of something like this, when you are in the middle of these ongoing investigations and you know there are tapes out there, why anybody would waive attorney/client privilege the way the president's team did is beyond me. i don't know many people that
would do that. >> bill: topic two. >> if we're talking about the jordan race i would like to move on. talking about anything else we can continue. i want to talk about politics. >> bill: your bread basket, right? brian kemp. the president tweeted congratulations. go win against the border crime loving opponent the dems have given you. how is he doing in his endorsements? >> in this race it did make a difference. casey cagle. there was a tape that hurt him severely he pushed forward with bad public policy for political reasons and it didn't help. the georgia race is interesting. a competitive governor race. they're changing democratics in the state. increasing with african-americans, stacy abrams would be the first african-american female governor in the united states.
that would certainly help driving out turnout. republicans are coming out saying she is too far left for the state. rga is out with an ad hitting her with that reason. governor races will be interesting. republicans are playing defense. 36 races, republicans are defending 26. so i'm looking at these races and seeing what happens. >> bill: do you think georgia is really changing? we've had these candidates on for two days now. the demographics. this is deep south. >> it is changing. whether or not it changes for this cycle is an open question. i think it's the next virginia or north carolina, a state deep, deep red trending more and more purple because of changing demographics and the issues in that state. you look today, the first poll that sort of came out post both party's domination has this a dead heat. stacy abrams up by two points or something like that. it is a dead even race.
that in georgia is pretty remarkable. >> julie: at this point the president has backed some 20 republicans for the race in 2018 and sticking to the same issues over and over. border security at the top of the list, taxes and support for the military and veterans. is that going to resonate? >> depends on the electorate. with the general a whole new ball of wax. we can overstate the effect of trump tweets and endorsements in a republican primary but there is a pattern that you can establish where the president backs, for example, a candidate more middle of the road and he doesn't do as well in the case of luther strange in alabama he lost. voters know who the trump candidate in the race is, right? it doesn't necessarily translate into a general election win. in georgia we're seeing a progressive candidate who chided her fellow democrats for appealing to centrist republican voters in the state of georgia and a very pro trump
aggressively anti-immigration, put a shotgun a kid in an ad. you have two polls. where do centrist voters go? is this the future of the political environment in america? >> bill: what happens in the house. do the democrats take it or republicans hold it? >> i think it's too close. i think it will be tough for republicans to keep the house. i think the senate is an entirely different story. to mo's point regarding the georgia race look it's really early and republicans have been deeply divided in the runoff. polling could change as republicans come together. they are looking at doing that unity rally. casey cagle endorse had jack kemp here -- brian kemp. those numbers could change as republicans rally together and as the base comes together. >> anyone that tries to predict the outcome of that race today doesn't know what they're doing.
>> bill: mo, thank you, noah, come back. lisa, don't go far. >> julie: what questions should mike pompeo expect on russia and north korea today. we'll ask cory gardner and then there is this. >> for me this is a great loss. not just because the price has dropped, but our future markets will be taken away from us. >> julie: the trump administration looking to give america's farmers $12 billion in aid as the white house considers more tariffs. one top republican lawmaker says forget the aid, just get rid of the tariffs. money man charles payne will break it down and tell us what it means for your bottom line next.
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ends, do you? >> i think trump will stay the course. i think i know how it ends. i don't know when it ends. it can end shortly with relatively less pain for all involved or it could end long-term with more collateral damage. i don't think trump will blink. he is doing this because he believes that we have lost out big time on trade relationships. even the trade agreements. people talk about the world trade organization. it's an extension of the general agreement on tariffs and trade that goes back to 1948. antiquated and they don't work and haven't worked for the american worker. >> julie: i wanted your reaction to rand paul. he is not the only one that says this but tariffs are taxes and here is a tweet that he sent out. tariffs are taxes that punish american consumers and producers. if tariffs punish farmers the answer is not welfare for farmers, the answer is remove the tariffs. >> clarify that one way. tariffs are taxes on imported
goods. imported goods. how come we aren't creating those products here at home? i think we need to expand on this. everyone is using the same language but tariffs have worked very well for china whose economy has gone from less than 2% of global gdp in 1979 as ours has declined. tariffs are working well for south korea and india. the fastest growing economies in the world have tariffs either two or more times ours. i guess tariffs don't work but why are they working for china? >> if there is a moral hazard and you get money to farmers and steelworkers get in line? >> first of all, i think one of the things we need to do as a country is say listen, we have always sort of prided ourselves on fighting fair that go back to the old superman, clark kent, truth, justice and the
american way. we were exploited that way. if someone takes a box cutter you let them dominate you. some folks said we had an epiphany. we're fighting a fight and we're following the queens bury rules. we're wearing gloves. not hitting behind the head. our foes are wearing brass knuckles. the bottom line if tariffs are so awful why do other nations have them against our products? it's losing industry. it gets back to tariffs being a tax on imported goods. we wouldn't have to import those goods if we didn't lose manufacturing jobs. >> bill: you're saying we're bringing a knife to a gun fight. >> we're fighting a fight we should have fought a long time ago. tariffs are taxes on imported goods. why aren't we making those things in america now?
>> bill: kudlow from earlier today. >> it is possible -- i don't want to predict. it is quite possible that people may be very surprised on the upside. where there is a political willingness, there is a political way and i just say, you know, keep an open mind. >> bill: you have an open mind. >> i do. the question you asked earlier goes to what he is saying. president trump will win it. i hope he accepts victory. in other words, they'll come to him. the e.u. and china and mexico will come to him and canada will come with concessions. he won't get everything he wants. i'm hoping he will declare victory. a clear victory for america, americans and american manufacturing. we can bring all the stuff back and restore the greatness. >> bill: let's hope. topic two. taxes. she did an interview -- i don't know how high we'll go here, charles, but this is how it went on cnbc.
>> 50% too high? >> look, there was a time in a very prosperous america, an america that was growing the middle class, an america in which working families were doing better generation after generation after generation where the top marginal rate was well above 50%. >> bill: you know where she is coming from. claw back the tax cuts. she was asked would you take it to 90%? i don't think i got a no. >> she would take it to 90%. it was 94% in 1994 on income of $200,000, the equivalent of $3 million today. if you go back to 1932 it was 63% on a million dollars but the average family made less than $1,000. it's a little -- sometimes you have to be careful. when they talk about the rates were very high back in the day they didn't apply to a large swath of americans. it was truly the wealthy.
it wasn't the rich, it was the wealthy. we're talking about taxes, though, just think about this. what makes more sense to you, to keep more of the money you earn and spend it the way you want or give to the government that puts it in a giant wood chipper. >> julie: look at the economy. unemployment is down. jobs are up >> she wants to put it in the government wood chipper and all we get is a washing machine full of crumbs. >> bill: charles payne doesn't want that, does he? >> absolutely not. i don't think the american public does, either. >> bill: it's why they have elections. senator is about to hear from president trump's meeting on vladimir putin. >> the biggest thing on everybody's mind is what did we commit to in that private meeting with putin? what were the commitments made by the u.s. that's the biggest thing. >> bill: that committee will have plenty of questions for mike pompeo. public hearing today on the
historic meetings with chairman kim and president putin. senator cory gardner is in the hearing today but first here live and answers our questions coming up. >> julie: an old-fashioned political smack down from new york to florida. congressman ron desantis targets a left wing democratic star and she is firing back. more when congressman desantis is with us live. stay tuned. that's next hour. people would stare.
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>> julie: fox news alert. secretary of state mike pompeo will be on capitol hill today where he will be grilled by senators on the foreign relations committee about the president' meeting with vladimir putin and kim jong-un of north korea. mike emanuel joins us live from capitol hill. >> so much to discuss. a fascinating session when pompeo fields questions from lawmakers about the facets of the trump administration's foreign policy. pompeo says he has spoken with president trump about the
recent high-profile summit in helsinki with russian president vladimir putin and spoken with sergey lavrov about next steps. pompeo says beyond the high-profile meeting the trump administration has been pushing back hard on russia's bad behavior around the world. you can expect u.s./russia relations to be the focus of a number of senators today. >> the biggest thing on everybody's mind is what did we commit to in that private meeting with putin? what were the commitments made by the u.s. that's the biggest thing. then, too, if president putin comes here will there be another private meeting? >> the secretary of state says he is looking forward to testifying today. his portfolio is much more than just u.s./russia relations. the issue of north korea and pompeo has been a critical player trying to get the regime to denuclearize, two high-profile summits with put yien -- putin will be front
and center for other key players. >> everybody will say what happened in helsinki and singapore? it was june 12th. we haven't been briefed about what was discussed and then we'll also have to ask what is going on with the tweets back and forth against iran. >> pompeo himself has also been tough with iran at a time when its regime is under intense pressure from its own people, julie. >> julie: thank you. >> what we want to know is not so much what is happening in the private meeting is what will our policies be? what is the vision with the relation with russia. i'm as anti-putin as anybody. there is nobody here that worked longer or harder on the issues of vladimir putin than i have. i recognize we need to have a relationship with him for no other reason because they have a large stockpile of nuclear weapons. i want to make sure that relationship is based on the truth and reality on who vladimir putin is and his goals
relating to the united states. that's what i'm interested in, public policy. not to show to relitigate words. >> bill: senator marco rubio live last year. now it's time for today's headliner to do the same. cory gardner will also be in the room. thanks for being today's headliner, good morning to you on capitol hill. we heard from marco rubio. senator corker said he is going right at the helsinki summit with his questions. what are you going to do with pompeo today? >> i'm going to talk a little bit about russia. i have legislation in place to add or have the state department consider whether or not russia should be named a state sponsor of terror but i'll spend a lot of time focusing on north korea. it ought to get more attention than it is finding where we're at with a timeline toward denuclearization. >> julie: the timeline is slow going but moving forward. when you look at north korea and those who are going to be questioning pompeo today, he is
the one that facilitated the summit between kim jong-un and president trump. what kind of questions will you be asking? >> there seems to be this idea we'll succeed fast/fail fast with denuclearization. the question is how long will it take to know whether we're succeeding or failing? if we're succeeding we need to know what the steps toward denuclearization are. if we're failing we need to know what steps to take to fully implement a variety of sanctions that have yet to be implemented, whether the united states or united nations or china. we have some reports that lessening of restrictions on crude oil to north korea and lowering the price of gasoline meaning sanctions may be slipping away as we speak. that's an importance we'll get. >> julie: how optimistic are you? what accountability do you expect to see with regard to north korea especially when it comes to actually going in there and making sure they hold up their end of the bargain? >> that's the great unknown.
we've seen the been there, done that before where north korea made great promises and reneged on those time and time again, father, grandfather and it continues. we need to have inspectors on the ground and unfettered access and transparency and a total accounting of what the nuclear program consists of. we need those in place to make any kind of consideration of what next steps to take with north korea. >> bill: it appears there was a next step taken this week if satellite images are right. deconstruction of one of the missile test sites. it would advance the cause a little bit, would it not? >> that's a small step toward a resolution but it is a very small step and why i remain cautiously optimistic. this can be rebuilt. intelligence says it can be rebuilt in a matter of days or weeks. this isn't a concrete step toward denuclearization. this may be a good faith gesture to get toward the denuclearization. we need more than just gestures.
>> bill: you need a relationship, too. i want to come back to iran in a moment. you just mentioned a pompeo meeting with putin and trump in helsinki. this is how the secretary of state characterized his approach to perhaps what you hear today. watch here. >> i have spoken to the president about the meeting that he held with president putin. i was part of a larger discussion as well. many things that came from i view as a very important meeting between president trump and president putin. one that i think the world will have benefited from when history is written. >> bill: that's lasted about an hour and a half but not in the private meeting that lasted two hours. democrats want to go at him for the meeting privately. they don't trust this president. i don't think they ever will. how much can mike pompeo ease the concerns of some senators today? >> i think we have to recognize that we can't just rely on press release diplomacy in the country. we have to meet with people. even people we strongly disagree with.
we have to make clear to those people we strongly disagree with is what the disagreements are, what it will take to overcome the disagreements and in this case we need to hear from secretary pompeo in the private discussion. president trump rejected russia's malign behavior. the syria, he objected to the violations of international law in georgia and ukraine. those are the conversations a u.s. president needs to be firm and our position talking about the meddling in elections, information warfare to make sure it never occurs again and lay out the consequences for such malign behavior. those are the conversations that you can have face-to-face. i hope that's what we hear about today. >> julie: we want to take you full circle to iran and the president's willingness to negotiate with iran hoping perhaps the same result will come out as it did with north korea currently. what do you make first of all of the president's willingness
to try to achieve diplomacy with iran? >> if you look at what the iran nuclear deal it relieved the pressure on iran. we had iran at a point where they would have to give up their nuclear program because our sanctions and complete embargo against iran had worked. then you saw an inflow of billions of dollars and cash coming into iran. lifting of business sanctions, the pressure valve was released around the globe on iran and puts them back into beefing up their military and terrorism efforts and it was just a wrong direction to take. so we have a chance now to actually get iran to a point where we put more pressure on them, we get our allies in europe and others to put more pressure on them to get back to where they were heading. toward denuclearization and stopping their threats against israel, the united states and ceasing to be the world leading sponsor of tariff.
>> bill: their economy is hurting. they didn't get support from the obama administration. pompeo's speech was striking and reaganesque. the president's tweet. do you see a coordinated effort to free the reins of the ayatollah and their people? >> look at what prime minister netanyahu does every week in weekly messages. video recordings to the people of iran. even israel messages to the people of iran how they will stand with them if they stand up to their regime. so i think what we have is a coordinated effort within this administration to do what we should have done all along. continue the pressure that was bringing down the radical government, the radical elements of iran. that's what we have to do to continue to get our allies to do that. you see that with this administration pursuing that. >> julie: senator, thank you very much, sir, for being our
headliner today. >> bill: we'll watch this afternoon at 3:00. another big story we are watching now. isis claims responsibility for a deadly shooting rampage in toronto. why the terror group is calling the suspect a soldier of the islamic state. live with details on what we're learning today on that. >> julie: democrats throwing up roadblocks to fight president trump's supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. will it work? our a-team is back straight ahead. >> if he is a fair minded jurist that they claim he is why are republicans hiding his full record from the senate and from the american people? as soon as we come to an agreement, we'll begin to move forward.
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mo elleithee. mcconnell is saying the drop dead date you can count on october 1. >> i believe him. democrats have no realistic options to put any obstacles in front of him. if that's the schedule senate majority leader wants to keep he can keep it. >> bill: they'll try. >> one of the most interesting developments in recent days is senators from both parties asking to see all of judge kavanaugh's documents, all of his records, and hitting a little bit of an obstacle. the same republicans were asking for documents from then judge kagen when she was appointed and people didn't fight that. let's have the hearing. let the senate do its job and let's review the documents. there is a lot at stake. i don't see what the hesitation is in doing that. >> julie: what do you make of democrats trying to delay this hearing? they say the republicans did it to obama and so they're trying
to pay back. it's politics, playing politics. >> we're in the midst of a mid-term election cycle. it makes sense for it to be political. grassley and feinstein are discussing what documents to reveal. you have some of these red state democrats starting to set up meetings with kavanaugh and want to sit down and talk to him and you have the same three democrats that voted for neil gorsuch setting up meetings. joe donnelly. heidi heitkamp and joe manchin. an important development in the confirmation process. those are the guys that voted and gal for voted for gorsuch. that's important. i'm interested in looking at doug jones, the now senator from alabama and where he will be on this. it will be interesting to look at him. does he go along with what voters in the state of all want, inevitably confirming cavanaugh or does he deny them and end up hurting him politically?
>> julie: senator kennedy is talking about this guy is more than qualified. there is no real reason why the democrats are delaying this other than by just purely playing politics. let's play that. >> i like judge kavanaugh. i knew going in that he is a superior intellect. i've read -- i'm not through but i've read enough of his opinions to know it is whip smart. i wanted to use the time we had together to understand not just what is in his head but what is in his heart. i asked him the role of precedent in our legal system. and he has thought about it deeply. i was impressed with his answers. i really like what i see. >> bill: he is a yes. i think the wild card is senator rand paul. >> might be. i'm hesitant to say that we'll see senator paul torpedo a domination to the supreme court. >> bill: based on what i'm hearing out of washington and his office he will go for this. >> he wants to get his issues and concerns out there fourth amendment but at the end of the
day he is a yes vote. there is nothing to stop this process. there is going to be hearings but the only obstacle or option the democrats have now having nuked the filibuster over gorsuch who was going to pass anyway. a smart democratic party would keep their powder dry for this moment. they fill bus terd who wants to see passion. their only option is to say this is the guy who is back alley abortions and do whatever they can. they have no other option. >> bill: no other option? >> the keg stands and baseball stands and erroneous thing. that's a joke. a lot of the stuff that's come out will make you like him more. he had fun in college. he likes baseball. i think that's something everyone can get on board with. he is human. >> democrats and progressives are raising about the judge. one is how will he rule on roe
versus wade? that's a legitimate question. number two, how will he rule on the affordable care act and the one that really i'm really fascinated to see how it plays out how will he rule when it comes to any issue regarding the russia investigation given some of his past statements and writings when it comes to these types of issues? i think those are all legitimate and should be litigated and laid out. he is getting more of a chance to be heard than neil gorsuch. >> bill: democrats are going over it. cory booker from new jersey. >> in a moral moment, there is no bystanders. you are either complicit in the evil. you are either contributing to the wrong or you are fighting against it. >> bill: you are complicit in the evil. >> go away, cory booker. it doesn't matter about him. he is so irrelevant. whatever, all that matters, i'm surpriefsed he didn't start
crying. all the matters are the red state democrats, the ones that voted for neil gorsuch. you have the judicial crisis network up with millions of dollars in the red states trying to put pressure on them. polling indicates the majority of voters in those states want him confirmed. that's what matters. sorry, cory booker, don't care about you. >> bill: noah, mo and lisa, thank you. big news for ivanka trump. her clothing company is making news. the 24/7 crew breaking that down next. ♪ ♪ keep it comin' love. if you keep on eating, we'll keep it comin'. all you can eat riblets and tenders at applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip.
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>> bill: carley shimkus, bret larson and jared max. ivanka trump is making news. >> shutting down her fashion line and focus on her career in washington sales of her clothing rose during the 2016 presidential election. since then they appear to have fallen. big time retailers like nordstrom and neiman marcus dropped her and called grab your wallet that encourages people to boycott stores that sell trump merchandise. you have to wonder did this headache and did all the drama factor into her decision as well?
>> bill: she is committing 100% to washington, d.c. >> will she continue to be in the white house as long as trump is president? the answer is yes. >> troubling new report smartphone radiation may be bad for teenagers. they did a public health swiss researchers did this. this is interesting. figural memory. it affects right handed teenagers, brains are developing. we have been hearing about problems with cell phone radiation since the dawn of cell phones. this is a very troubling report. it is also a very good excuse for parents who want to get phones away from their kids. listen, you can only be around it so much time during the day. >> bill: how about ear buds? >> as long as they aren't wireless they're okay. the problem you have with the
ear buds is then you have hearing loss which a lot of younger people losing hearing. >> a lot of kids don't talk on the cell phone but they're playing games. >> i don't talk on the phone. i can't stand people calling me on the phone. leave a voicemail. >> i hate the phone give me a text and a heads-up. >> if smartphones haven't destroyed my eyes, i'll try to read a tweet that serena williams sent last night. the greatest tennis player in the world continues to be targeted. she has been tested now six times this year by the world anti-doping agency. last night she tweeted. it's that time of the day to get randomly drug tested and only test serena. out of all the players it's proven i get tested the most. discrimination? i think so. i'll be keeping the sport clean but i'm ready to do whatever it takes to have a clean sport.
bring it on. i'm excited. she tweeted something back in may. is this a witch hunt? is there fire and smoke? >> if we were to ever find out if serena ever tested positive for an illegal p.e.d. on a scale of 1 to 10 how shocked would we be? >> 10. >> i would be surprised. >> i say maybe a three or four. >> i'm five. >> bill: thank you. >> julie: conservative candidate for governor congressman ron desantis.
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have had an affair with donald trump. >> there is no way the president will be talking about setting up a corporation and then using cash unless you are a complete idiot. the president is not an idiot. the president does bring up cash but says don't pay with cash, right? and then cohen says no, no, no and the president says check and cohen says i got it. the point is the president wants the transaction to be memorialized. >> bill: kevin corke leads our coverage this hour. at what point and how soon will we hear from the white house on this and if not, why not? >> well, bill, listen. we've been asking as you can well imagine and they've been pushing this off to rudy giuliani for obvious reasons. they want to keep this separate from what is happening here day-to-day with respect to the white house. i think that could change especially given what we have learned in the conversation because it would seem to sort of go against what has been stated previously by white house officials about what the
president may have known vis-a-vis a conversation about a possible payment. i say possible because keep in mind, no payment ever exchanged hands based on what we have read and know so far. i want to take you to twitter and share what the president is saying about this so far today. he is quite shocked his attorney, his fixer, michael cohen, is the guy out there who has made these recordings. the president saying why would a lawyer tape a client like this? it's one of the 64,000 dollar questions a great many people are asking even this morning, bill. he goes on to say it has never been heard of before. why was the tape so abruptly terminated or cut while i was presumably saying positive things? i hear there are other clients and reporters that are taped. if so, why. it's a very bad thing. this is only a portion of what we've heard on the recording. listen here. >> i need to open up a company
for the transfer of the ininformation regarding our friend david. i'll do that right away. i have spoken to allen about how to set the whole thing up with -- >> what, are we going to pay? >> yeah, all the stuff. you never know where that company or -- correct, so i'm all over that and i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing, which will be -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> don't pay in cash. >> no, no, no. >> was he saying no cash, check, no, no, i got it. we'll use a check. again interpretation is in the eyes of the beholder. cohen's lawyer lanny davis says this isn't about whether or not
any laws were broken in this tape. >> it's by lies and truth. giuliani can't make up the words don't pay. i say everybody who voted for donald trump don't believe me, i'm a democrat. the words don't pay are not heard. the word cash, so it's not about cash versus not cash, it's about truth and the power of the truth is what michael cohen now has. >> we'll learn a lot more about the tapes and the recordings as they continue to be sort of doled out bit by bit. we'll keep an eye on twitter. >> bill: kevin corke leading off this hour from the white house. >> julie: more from hugo gurdon from "the washington examiner". thank you for talking to us. >> nice to see you. >> julie: let's get to the tape being released by michael cohen's attorney to cnn. everyone pretty much assumed lanny davis is who gave it to cnn considering he was sitting in the studio as they released it. did rudy giuliani approve of
any kind of release? >> i don't think that he did and as you say, it seems like it was lanny davis who leaked it. it seems to me and i've listened to the tape several times. it isn't clear what is said. odd to hear lanny davis saying cash doesn't matter. earlier in the interview he kept emphasizing the word cash is used, the president uses the word cash, only thugs and mob sters use cash. he is trying to paint president trump in a bad light. what he does for a living is make bad guys look good. he did it with president clinton during the juanita broderick and paula jones affair and monica lewinsky affair. he did it for african dictators and now for michael cohen. he wants to make his client looks good. he says i'm working for a client. >> julie: he is trying to plant a story. a cable news network jumps right on it. the story is out there.
we've heard part of the tape. it is hard to figure out exactly what they are talking about regarding the cash issue because at one point he says finance? he is not referring to finance as a financial payments. it was a full payment that was doled out at some point. what is concerning is how the tape ends. as you know it ends abruptly. seems it was recorded either if his pocket or something. there is a lot of interference there. what do you make first of all of us not getting the big picture here? he doesn't seem like the full story is out? >> the tape cuts off abruptly. whether there is more of that tape i don't know or whether it is suddenly cut off because cohen either did it deliberately or not. however it was, you certainly don't get a clear impression of what is being said. you hear the word cash, there are lots of crosstalk. several different issues being discussed at different points. interruptions. i couldn't tell whether president trump says paying
cash or don't pay in cash but the thing to remember what we do have clear is they were talking about a deal and we can take it that they were talking about silencing this pornographic model who says she had an affair with trump. i don't think anybody believes the president when he says they didn't have an affair. if that's clear, that's fine. what isn't clear is the exact implication of the discussion they were having. i think, julie, one of the things to remember is some people are suggesting that this is somehow setting up a trump need to by pass campaign finance laws. if you are trying to conceal an affair you set up a company where the payment will come from people which conceals the origin of the money. that seems the most likely thing that was happening. >> julie: cohen has conceded to paying off to paceically silence former affairs. that's not the issue here. the issue is whether the payment came from campaign finance funds. there is no evidence of that.
whether it was cash or not makes no difference legally. it's a little sleazy, we'll leave that up to the viewers. nonetheless it doesn't break the law. the question is whether campaign finance laws were broken. if trump -- candidate trump agreed to do the payment, what is the point giuliani is trying to make by basically saying that, you know, he did not pay cash, he did not do anything that would break any laws, so why does it matter? >> i think what rudy giuliani is saying is look, there was a discussion. everybody at least at the moment seems to know that there was no actual payment made so there was a discussion between trump and his lawyer. there was this woman who was claiming an affair. they wanted to make sure it didn't come out before the election. the question of whether it was cash or not does not make any difference legally. but lanny davis wants to play that up and repeatedly used that word because he doesn't
want trump looking good. he wants his own client looking good. i don't know there are wider implications to that and it is a stretch to say it's a breach of campaign finance. >> julie: all right. hugo gurdon, thank you very much. appreciate you coming on. >> bill: nine past the hour. fox news alert. isis claiming responsibility after the deadly attack in toronto. investigators saying there is no evidence to support the terror groups claim. where are we on that. two dead by the way. brian is back from toronto in the new york city newsroom. >> this morning isis's news agency claimed responsibility for the toronto shooting. they called the man a soldier of the islamic state carrying out the attack in response to their call to target people in coalition nations. it is important to note that isis has falsely claimed responsibility for attacks in
the past. no evidence has been provided to back up this claim. the toronto police tell fox news this morning they have not yet determined the motive. quote, at this stage we have no evidence to support these claims. we will continue to explore every investigative avenue including interviewing those who knew mr. hussain, reviewing his online activity and looking into his experiences with mental health. the shooter's family says he had severe mental health challenges and struggled with psychosis and depression his whole life. the family said medications and therapy didn't work and expressed their deep condolences to the victims. canada's public safety minister said at this time there is no connection between hussain and national security. >> bill: what's the latest on the victims in toronto? >> we now know the identity of the 10-year-old girl in the attack. her father, donny, was also shot and is recovering. doctors and paramedics reportedly moved the father
from one hospital to another to give him a chance to say goodbye to his dying daughter. also killed in the attack was an 18-year-old. she was out celebrating her friend's birthday when the gunman shot at restaurants and a park. 13 others wounded some suffering life-altering injuries. >> bill: thanks. tough stuff on that back there in new york. >> julie: awful. a new development in the deadly stand-off at a trader joe's in california. what brand-new video from the officer's body camera and dash cam is revealing. >> bill: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell vows to keep the brett cavanaugh nomination on track. we talk to bret baier in a couple of minutes. >> julie: a war of words erupting after ron desantis calls out a rising democratic
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on her views which are socialist and they are wrapped in ignorance. in florida, bill, we have more people probably than any other state who have fled socialism. places like cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, we understand socialism doesn't work. when you are justifying it by saying the unemployment rate is low because people are working multiple jobs it shows you don't know what you are talking about. one of the reasons i brought that up in that campaign stop was because she had been slamming israel repeatedly throughout her campaign but she was talking about the israeli occupation of palestinian. there is no palestinianian state. there never has been a palestinian state. if you are based on no knowledge whatsoever i think the socialism and ignorance is a toxic combination. >> bill: we've been waiting to get you on. now respond to this, okay? her tweet to you was the
following. representative desantis seems you're confused as to what i am. i'm a puerto rico woman. strange you don't know what that is given that 75,000 puerto ricans have gone to florida. react to that. >> sthe is trying to play i dent fee politics. i don't care whether she is an eskimo. socialism is wrong. there is a stronger version of socialism among our hispanic population in florida than the broader population. she is trying to make it. >> bill: what do you think it says about the overall democratic message? she campaigned with bernie sanders over the weekend and the places where they went were very interesting. st. louis, missouri, kansas city, wichita, kansas. what do they see in these parts
of the country? >> look, i don't think they represent nearly a majority. if you are running on failed socialist policies you will lead a -- you have an energyized left wing but that's where the energy is for the party. the chairman of the democratic party said she is the wave of the future. lower standard of living if she had her way. bigger government, anti-israel views. i think that's not what the majority of the american people want. >> bill: i did not expect you to say it was a good thing. do you think they can win on that? >> not in florida certainly. she may be able to win in her district there but it is not representative of the country as a whole and i just think that our unemployment rate is under 4% right now. we have more work to do, don't get me wrong. the idea you'll go down the road that has failed time and
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pastor from prison to house arrest in turkey. he is being moved for health reasons. he is 50 years old facing terror and espionage charges. he denies those accusations. his attorneys said this is a critical first step we believe will result in the freedom of pastor brunson so he can return to the u.s. and be with his family. the president has played a critical role in getting his freedom. we're grateful for the president's efforts and look forward to the ultimate release of pastor brunson. that will come with relief. the white house is working on this hard. let's hope they have success. >> julie: let's hope so. the trader joe's manager killed during a shoot-out with a suspect was fatally shot by police gunfire. the new information surfacing from police body camera footage. the los angeles police chief sharing the devastating news. >> i'm sorry to report that we have now determined through our forensic investigation that one
of the officer's rounds struck the woman as she was exiting the market and in close proximity to atkins. >> julie: jonathan hunt picks up the story live in los angeles to explain how it went down. hi, jonathan. >> this was all about split-second decisions having to be made under the most intense pressure. the videos released by the lapd show first of all gene atkins leading police on the wild chase through the stays on a busy saturday afternoon. he gets close to the trader joe's and crashes into a utility pole. you then see him running out of the car and into the store firing at officers. they have to make the decision then do we fire back towards what is a busy store? two of them took the decision to do that.
the trader joe's worker was exiting the store. caught in the crossfire, hit by a police bullet. something that the police chief says his officers will have to live with the rest of their lives. listen here. >> they had to make a split-second decision. as they did that, i'm here to say that is the worst -- worst decision that any officer ever wishes to have to make. but at the same time, our duty to protect the public is sworn. >> and the police chief said, julie, it is quite literally this incident every officer's worst nightmare. >> julie: jonathan, the suspect was in court yesterday. how did that go? >> 28-year-old gene evan atkins was in court facing 31 charges, among them attempted murder, kidnapping and murder itself. although he did not fire the
bullet that killed that 27-year-old trader joe's worker, his actions caused the events that led to her being killed. so under law he can be charged with murder. he is now being held on $19 million bail and back in court on august 14th. >> julie: jonathan hunt in los angeles. >> bill: a deadline in the battle over supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. republicans going to do the vote in a few months. >> julie: are there missing texts from the f.b.i. lawyer lisa page? some gop lawmakers think so. what a group of republican lawmakers plan to do to get those answers.
senator majority leader mitch mcconnell in the oval office. we're waiting on information on that meeting. stand by. we'll give it to you when it becomes available to us. >> julie: several gop lawmakers are meeting with justice department officials with the status of documents requested by congress regarding the russia investigation. here is what chris stewart said earlier. >> the department of justice was created by congress and they and the f.b.i. were given enormous power. we didn't give them the power and then say we don't want to know, don't tell us, we trust you. we have to hold them accountable. >> julie: catherine herridge picks up the story live in washington with the breaking developments. >> two sources close to the discussions tell fox news lawmakers are aware of new records after the recent closed door depositions from f.b.i. agent peter strzok and his
former colleague and lover f.b.i. lawyer lisa page. lawmakers are seeking records related to the controversial trump dossier an internal document efforts to verify the allegations. another set of records includes memos from f.b.i. deputy director andrew mccabe documenting obstruction with the russia case. the meeting includes four republican lawmakers, chairman of the house judiciary and oversight committees, and congressman jim jordan and mark meadows. they told the u.s. attorney to handle congressional records request is expected. the use of confidential human sources by the f.b.i. in the earliest stages of the russia case. the judiciary and oversight committees have jurisdiction of the russia case. they're in the lead with house
intel now referring to dozens of witnesses they discovered through their investigation over to those committees for future interviews. >> julie: the house passed a non-binding resolution. will there be movement this week? >> just to recap on the 28th the house did pass the non-binding resolution along party lines insisting that the justice department comply with committee subpoenas by july 6th. that deadline was not met. there remain outstanding records with some republicans in favor of now taking the next step against deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who oversees the russia probe. they accuse him of withholding documents that will show when and how the russia probe began and whether it was done on a sound legal basis. this morning congressman stewart also said he is for accountability but he cautions a measured approach. >> i think we're better to build the argument. to actually have a debate on the floor to present to the
american people why we are going to hold him in contempt and to defend that action and to convince the american people. i think that's lacking in this process. and because that's lacking i'm afraid it would be viewed as another partisan activity. >> the main justification for withholding some documents from the f.b.i. and justice department saying it is not standard to provide these records as a result or during an ongoing investigation and we expect that meeting up on the hill just about three hours from now, julie. >> julie: we'll be watching. catherine herridge, thank you. >> nomination this fall and so let there be no misunderstanding that there would be any kind of delaying tactic that would take us past the first tuesday in november. >> bill: mitch mcconnell making it clear that brett kavanaugh will get a vote before the mid-terms explaining he is
willing to wait for reasonable and relevant documents from kavanaugh's time in government but not let it derail the nomination. bret baier is with me now. good morning. i think the other thing he said is by october 1 they want to get it done. that seems to be the schedule now. is it on track? >> it is. and senate majority leader mcconnell controls the track. and i think that barring any really outstanding thing that we can't foresee this is going to move forward. democrats don't have a lot of options and a number of democrats who would consider voting for brett kavanaugh who are in vulnerable positions, 10 of them in red states where donald trump won 70% or more of the counties up for reelection. the other thing, bill, remember, during this time as kavanaugh is making his rounds i think 23 senators so far, the news has been focused on a lot of other things. the helsinki meeting, now we have audio tapes, every day is
something -- drinking from the fire hose. in a normal supreme court nominee roll-out there might be a lot more focus down in the granular details of brett kavanaugh. >> bill: i'm looking for rand paul. i think he will be a yes vote. if rand paul is a yes, what stops him? democrats can't? >> nothing does. in fact, once the dam is broken chuck schumer will turn to the red state democrats and say go ahead and i bet you could have 57-58. >> bill: you were with secretary nielsen, very well done. part of what she told you about separating families and how they've responded to this policy. >> the parents contact us and they would like to be reunited we will work with them. as you know the way the process works the parents have the choice to take the children with them. so these are parents who have made the decision not to bring the children with them and then
will continue to work with the court to understand how we can best comply with the order. >> bill: the other question you were trying to suggest or don't let me put words in your mouth, whether or not the policy was a deterrent to tell others don't come here. >> she avoided that one and deflected that one. there she is talking about the 460 plus parents who were deported. she have is saying those parents chose not to be reunited with their children, which is an interesting take. she claims that the government is going to meet the deadline tomorrow but that is a heavy lift to get the reunited families back together. we'll see. and i think the other thing that i took from the interview was yes, the roll-out didn't go well. they still plan on pushing for the wall and daca. doesn't think the immigration legislation will happen before the mid-terms but really the
biggest news was the cyber news which was yes, russia, china, iran, are actively every day attacking the u.s. and yes, russia did get access to a utility company and possibly flipped the switch. >> bill: i thought your question about who is the most effective was very interesting. she seemed divided it up into groups. some countries are better at some things than others but they're all trying. >> russia is the loudest, but china is playing the long game and maybe the most dangerous. >> bill: a story breaking now, kind of johnny on the spot. i get your reaction to it. apparently the first lady's office was asked to comment about the michael cohen matter, the audio tapes that emerged over the past 24 hours and comment about a report that she was watching cnn on air force one. here is the statement from the first lady's office. did you know that every 15 minutes a baby is born with
nas, which stands for neonatal abstinence syndrome. maybe you would like to talk about the 160,000 kids who skip school every day for fear of being bullied or 280,000 students are physically attacked in school. seems silly to worry about what channel she watches on tv or if she heard a recording on the news, end quote. i don't always hear a response from that office but that's one. >> it's kind of a way to deal with two issues there and essentially saying there are many more important things to focus on and the message you'll get from the white house on the tapes as well. who knows where this is going? we'll have alan dershowitz on tonight on special report to break down this and the special investigation. >> julie: president trump getting ready for tough talk on trade with a top e.u. official today defending the tariff plan
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>> bill: we'll keep an eye on that hearing at 3:00 eastern and give you live coverage later this afternoon. >> president trump: we're now in the midst of a great economic revival and it is for that reason that i chose this is the time. last year our country lost $817 billion, with the b, on trade. we lost $817 billion. >> julie: president trump touting his trade policy proclaiming the tariffs are the greatest. meeting with the president of the e.u. commission this afternoon, in fact, for a new round of what is likely to be tense trade talks. meantime the trump administration is offering those farmers hurt by the tariffs a $12 billion aid package to hold them over until the stand-off is resolved. a move that is drawing heated criticism from members of his own party. art laffer is the former economic advisor to president
ronald reagan. appreciate you coming on today. the president made a lot of promises in his campaign and holding him. he said he would be tough on china. when is the last time we saw a president this tough on china and trade. how would you rate his performance on keeping the promises? >> on trade i don't know how to rate what he has done so far. the obvious answer for all of this is to have zero tariffs, no subsidies and have a truly free trade world and what he tweeted last night. i think it's the right thing to do. in my personal conversations with him he assures me every time he is a free trader and these are negotiation tactics to get them to do the right thing. in that regard i hope the heck he is right because i'm not a great negotiator. he has the steel will to be able to negotiate this stuff and say things i would never say but he says all sorts of things. i can't follow all the quotes he says on all sorts of topics. i've never been so confused by so many things going on at once
in my life but on the free trade stuff he has been consistent. when he left the ottawa meeting, the group of seven there, he said if all of you want to take your tariffs to zero i'm willing to do it right now. that's what he said last night and what i hope he does. that would be the most amazing thing for the world ever. >> julie: you have president trump's fresh tariffs. $34 billion in chinese goods. some in his own party are concerned. some think the tariff fights will lead to trade wars that will in turn raise prices for consumers worldwide including here in the united states. how would this affect the everyday american? >> let me say i'm also very concerned about tariffs. i'm concerned about the tragedy that trump has used but i've been concerned about a lot of his strategies and almost every time it works out correctly. i have to tell you, i have been shocked by him many times. tariff wars are terrible. you saw the stock market have
one of the periods in u.s. history in 1974 under president nixon. you can go back to the tariff wars of tariff wars, the grand tariff war and horrible for the u.s. and all of the world. so tariffs are not good, julie. they're bad. a tariff war is awful. can we get rid of all tariffs? i don't know, that would be the right thing to see happen. it would be so wonderful. the capstone of a great two years in office. >> julie: here is a tweet from the president saying leaked politicians ask him to stop using counter tariffs. every time i see a weak politician -- i wonder what can they be thinking? will we just continue and let our farmers and country get ripped off? lost $817 billion on trade last year. no weakness. now, let me ask you, tariffs have worked in other countries
so then why couldn't they work for the u.s. >> i think they've been very bad for other countries. >> julie: some would argue they have. >> they've been terrible. the tariffs on chinese products that they put on american products going into china has hurt china. the tariffs going into europe hurts europe. we have wal-marts here. without wal-mart there is no middle or lower class prosperity. without china there is no wal-marts. you don't find wal-marts in europe and they're lagging behind the u.s. in large case because of their tariffs and their protectionism. my view of the world. free trade helps everyone. i think it would be great for the u.s. and the world to go free trade and trump has a strategy. i don't know if it will work or not but he told me this is his strategy and he thinks it will work and thank god i'm not a politician or he would call me
weak, too. >> julie: let's talk about the farmers. they're the food on our table. the blood of america. the white house is offering this $12 billion aid package for american farmers hurt by tariffs until this gets figured out to give them some reprieve. republicans like rand paul and ben sasse are pushing back against the plan. paul says tariffs are taxes, kasich added protectionism doesn't work for the american economy. what say you on the impact on farmers? >> they're all right on that, tariffs don't solve anything and none of these tariffs are doing american farmers or anyone any good. the question is -- here is the relevant question. do the threats of tariffs leave the european union, china and other countries to drop their protectionist barriers to go to a freer trade world. that's the question. will it lead to a tariff war or lead to a world of free trade? he believes it will lead to a
world of free trade. if he is right it will be the miracle of all miracles and i will be very pleased to be part of that. >> julie: art laffer, thank you. it's good you aren't a politician and you are not weak. >> i'm really weak. i'm a chicken. i don't have the iron constitution these people do. i run and cry under my bed. >> bill: nice to see art, thanks. one of the nation's busiest national parks under evacuation orders as of today. a wildfire is forcing park rangers to get everyone out. the battle ahead next. are you ready to take your wifi to the next level?
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contain those flames and william -- >> a fire is closing yosemite national park. the third most popular national park in the u.s. the very height of tourist season. >> it's kind of going over my head. a lot of my friends are leaving and going to higher places where the smoke is not affecting quite yet. >> so visitors have until noon today to evacuate as flames from the ferguson fire approach the camping areas and toxic smoke makes for low visibility and air as unhealthy as any city in the world. once tourists leave fires have more freedom to move in aggressively with bulldozers, engines and helicopters without worrying about clogged roads and saving lives. >> a full suppression fire and
we're fully engaged. we have authorized dozer line inside yosemite, hardly ever done. >> containment is stuff because we have a blistering heat waves. vegas 112. death valley 127. temperatures in l.a. downtown 99. it's prompted utilities to warn customers of reduced power and throughout the region officials say residents should stay out of the sun when possible to avoid heat stroke. >> a patient's body temperature rises higher they will develop symptoms more consistent with heat stroke, typically seen with changes in their mental status. confusion, headaches, blurry vision or becoming unresponsive. >> we don't want that. the heat wave should peak today but stay above average for 10 days. it raises the risk of wildfires. they are harder to put out and
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