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conway. then pointing to growing threats from russia and china, the white house declares space to the next battlefield. >> our adversaries have transformed space into a war-fighting domain already. and the united states will not shrink from this challenge. >> we will discuss the plans for a space force and new sanctions on iran, russia, and turkey with two key members of the senate armed services committee, lindsay graham of south carolina and the committee's top democrat jack reed of rhode island. >> thank you, everyone. >> then -- >> thank you. >> two contested races, still too close to call. both considered bellwethers for november's midterm. we will ask our sunday panel how they test trump's power at the polls. all right now on "fox news sunday". >> and hello again from fox news in washington.
this weekend white nationalists will use the white house as their backdrop as they take to the streets once again. what began last summer as a gathering to defend the statue of robert lee evolved into something darker. protesters and counterprotesters flooded the streets and then a car driven by a suspected neo-nazi plowed into the crowd in charlottesville, killing 32-year-old heather heyer and injuring 19 others. today the statue remains behind a barricade. meanwhile, more violence in the city of chicago, where they also have seen protests of their own now, against the killings in their streets. 20 people were shot this weekend, two of them fatally, three children were wounded, including a 12-year-old girl, as the city adds 600 officers to patrol the streets, after last weekend's brutal violence of 74 shootings that left 12 people dead. all of this as the president speaks out for unity and faces new criticism for some of his
latest tweets going after nfl players who are once again protesting during our national anthem. here to speak about all of this kellyanne conway counselor to the president, in just a moment but first to peter doocy, live in lafayette park the site of today's rally. >> martha, what was billed as a white civil rights rally was only very lightly attended by a few dozen self-described white nationalists, far fewer than the 100 to 400 that organizers told authorities they were bringing to washington, d.c. the group was outnumbered by counterprotesters which encircled the police escorted unite the right 2 demonstrators as soon as they arrived at the metro station after authorities in virginia helped them off buses and on to a train. once the group of white nationalists made it there, they were the only ones allowed on to a closed pennsylvania avenue. counterprotesters were kept 100 yards back and continue flowing into lafayette park as groups representing shut it down d.c.,
black lives matter and antifa among others showed up. there were thousands of counterprotesters in the park, thousands more than the heavily guarded unite the right rally attracted, the reason today's unite the right demonstration was scheduled for washington was because the organizer jason kessler was denied a permit to protest a second year in a row in charlottesville where last year's protest about the removal of robert e lee statue spun out of control and ultimately resulted in heather heyer's death. tensions there remained high today. most of today's events unfolded outside the white house, but president trump was not home. he is in new jersey, but the day of dualing protests was mostly peaceful and it came to a quick and soggy conclusion when a big thunderstorm rolled through. martha? >> peter, thank you very much. peter doocy reporting steps from the white house this morning. joining me now from fox news headquarters in new york, kellyanne conway, counselor to the president. kellyanne, welcome to fox news sunday.
good to have you. >> thank you. >> the president tweeted this morning the riots in charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division. we must come together as a nation. i condemn all types of racism and acts of violence, peace to all americans, he wrote. but in a new poll, 57% say that race relations are actually worse under president trump since he became president. so does he need more than tweets to be convincing on this issue? >> two things i'd say about that, martha. first is you even saw when our first african-american president barack obama left office, there are very mixed polling, very mixed assessment of race relations eight years after he was in office. so this is not unique to president trump, in terms of people wanting to improve relations. i think we should all agree that we always want relations to improve among people of different backgrounds and different races. secondly, i think you've got to look at president trump's record with respect to men and women of
color. the record low unemployment rate among african-americans, hispanic americans, asian americans, and others is remarkable, and it's owing to his policies, his bold leadership that there are so many more people of color who are able to access these new jobs in manufacturing, in professional industries, as well as in mining, as well, carpentry is way up. and yet this president is also for school choice and charters. he is trying to give those who are trapped in conventional school systems that are failing these students another choice. the prison reform initiative that jared kushner and president trump have put forth is meant to help all people of all races, but we know disproportionately many of our prisons, those are african-americans who are languishing in these prisons, those who have paid their debt to society, martha, and can reenter to have the skills, education, the opportunities and indeed make themselves available for the 6.6 million jobs that
are out there. this is a president who is doing all of that, and even my former colleague in the west wing, omarosa agreed with much of that when she was there. >> i want to talk about that in a moment. when you look at the disparity in the numbers, when president obama left office, 37% said he had made race relations worse. as pointed out a moment ago, the number for the president right now is that 57% of those asked believe that he has made relations worse. given the fact that as you point out the unemployment numbers are better for minorities and all of the efforts that the president has made, which you just mentioned, that are trying to lift all boats there still seems to be that feeling as his critics say that he doesn't want to make america great again. he wants to make america white again. can he be more articulate, more outspoken on this issue? it goes to one of the other things that we talked about this week, you know, the tweets about the nfl players. some people say he is tougher on nfl players and athletes than he is on the movements that we're about to see this afternoon in washington. >> that's just a terrible thing
to say. this president last august 14th said the following it doesn't get much coverage. so i'm going to read it. quote racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. that quote doesn't get much play. that was the president of the united states, president trump last august 14th, denouncing specifically kkk, neo-nazis white supremacists after -- before that and after that denouncing racism, bigotry, hatred and violence as he did again yesterday. as for the national anthem, the president made very clear that he believes it is not a big ask to have people stand for the flag and the national anthem at football games and elsewhere, and that separately, martha, if these professional athletes want to go back into their communities or anywhere they want where they have considerable platforms and in most cases very big popularity, that they should go ahead and make their voices known there. on the field, when people go to play for a football game, it
sounds like the nfl's new policy actually agreed with this. they said if you are going to be on the field, you can't be kneeling -- stay in the locker room -- >> let me go back to omarosa because she's speaking out. she was in charge of african-american outreach for the white house. she has said that she was fired because she knew too much about a tape on which the president used the n word. she also has said that she heard him call your husband derogatory names as well. did the president do either of those two things, kellyanne? >> no, he did not. i have never heard the president of the united states use a racial slur about anyone. i simply haven't heard it. martha, today is two years to the day that he asked me to be his campaign manager. i have worked alongside of him for over two straight years now without interruption. i have never once heard him say that about anyone, and i never heard omarosa complain that she had heard the president say it about anyone either when she was there. she's contradicted her own
accounts. she told abc news the day after she was fired that she had resigned. she's now saying she was fired. she told abc news the day after she was fired that, quote, donald trump, no he's not a racist that she wouldn't have been there. she also had a very glowing appraisal of donald trump, the businessman, the leader of the apprentice, the candidate and indeed the president, specifically in trying to reach out to african-americans, helping the historically black colleges and universities through an executive order, through workforce development, through prison reform. >> you heard what the president said at bedminster yesterday. he called her a low life which raises an obvious question, why was she ever hired in the first place if the president thinks she's a low life? >> no, i think he believes it is a low blow to write a book riddled with lies and accusations and insinuations, whether 30 pieces of silver or seven figure book advance, for you, your publicist and ghost
writers and others all that's changed was this book deal and her being fired. so i think he probably feels very betrayed and i feel very disappointed because i had a good working relationship with omarosa and the fact is in the west wing, i never heard her a single time, not on the campaign, the west wing, ever, even after that say that she heard such things. my husband very strongly said this is absurd all the way around. that the president would not use these words about him. my husband is half filipino, and i've just never heard that. i think that matters. also i think omarosa missed a great opportunity here, martha, to take credit for all the wonderful gains the president has made for people of color, whether it's the hbcu's, the workforce development, the historically low unemployment numbers, the accessibility of more jobs, the prison reform, the drug reform that i work on first-hand on behalf of the president. she should have said i'm really glad all our labors are bearing fruit. but instead she's trying to sell
books and settle scores and you've got to be anti-trump for those to be successful. it's very disappointing. >> let me ask you one more question on a new topic. on august 16th the boston globe has asked newspapers across the country to put out editorials, essentially, attacking the president for his dirty war, this is their quote, against the free press. how do you respond to that? >> that's what they do every single day. every single day the mainstream media, which now has anywhere from a 17 to a 20 percent approval rating that i've seen, is vehemently antitrump and they are not just being skeptical, they are being cynical. they make everything about them, even at these rallies, martha, the press covers the part that's about the press. the people hear the policies that are about the people. i think the press, many of them are trying to get the president instead of get the story. many of them as you full well know are trying to become the story that increases their speaking fees, get to go on late
night tv and make fun of the president and everybody around him. that's not journalism. i don't know how people can feel that modern reporting and journalism industry includes people like this new sarah long that was hired by the new york times who says she wondered how quickly white people can burn, cancel white people, makes fun of white men. you have mark from politico last week in tampa calling the trump supporters quote garbage people and saying if you line them all up next to each other, they would have a full set of teeth. that's a modern state of journalism. i'm sure you as a responsible respected reporter would object to that. they are not trying -- they are trying to erase this presidency. many of them are in a dying industry unlike the trump corporation is not very profitable and they should try to go out and learn what they keep getting wrong about trump and his supporters and his policies and stop just being so
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virginia campus on the anniversary weekend of the unite the right rally that led to violence last year in charlottesville. time for our sunday group, former press secretary to vice president pence, columnist for the hill, lisa lair who covers politics for the associated press and also opinion editor for the washington times, thank you to all of you for being here today. let me start with you, juan. you have a new book called "what the hell do you have to lose?" which harkens back to something that president trump said on the campaign trail, african-americans to give him a chance. he got 8% of the african-american vote, which is not a lot but a little bit more than romney got when he ran. how is the president doing on this issue? >> it is pretty clear that a year after charlottesville, the president continues to talk about blacks, about latinos to his white base as a group that is, i mean, he'd say black and latinos are dumb, violent and less patriotic than white
americans. i think that's racist kind of language. but he uses that, and in a way it's to his political advantage. he seems to think it encourages or stirs up his base of voters to support him, but i also think it stirs up, emboldens the white nationalists, the kkk, the neo-nazis in the world. i think a poll is that more than 55% of americans see president trump as em boldening -- >> give me an example. >> this week, lebron james. >> why is that on the color of his skin? >> he plays to the stereotype that blacks are -- >> he calls a lot of people dumb. >> he says you don't have the
right to be critical of your president in the way that nfl players now are viewed as unpatriotic by trump, even though they are simply talking about police brutality and exercising strong constitutional rights. and you see this behavior by trump by the way a year later, after charlottesville, being mimicked now, by republican candidates, cory stewart in virginia, illinois, california, congressional candidates who are holocaust deniers. martha: those people are candidates. we will see if they are able to get elected. >> that's what i'm saying. martha: charlie, respond to what juan is saying here. >> i think it is an incredibly unfair assessment of president trump. i don't think that he's playing to those things. when he calls lebron james dumb or whoever he calls dumb, he's not drawing any nexus between his race and being dumb. and i think that people that do try to draw some nexus, i think they are the ones that are dragging race into it. i think politics in america over the past 20 years, in the democratic party, has been by
far the worst of it in the past couple of decades, has used race, religion and gender to divide people, and they make this -- the whole problem so much worse. i think that -- and i don't think you could possibly deny that democrats have used racial politics at least as much as conservatives may have, you know, decades ago. but it's -- and it is tearing us apart. a year ago today was a tragic event, one innocent person died. two innocent virginia state troopers were killed. but let's put it into perspective. when you compare it and you noted at the top of the show, martha, you know, the number of people shot and killed in chicago, on a basic weekend, but the media focuses on this stuff. politicians focus on it because
they want to show these divisions in a very damaging way, but i think if we step back and put it into perspective, a, race relations in this country are a whole lot better than i think you would get the impression from reading the media or listening to politicians who are trying to make politics out of all of it. and i think that -- i think we should -- everybody should calm down a little bit and put this into perspective. martha: couple interesting voices on that. i want to get thoughts from lisa and mark on this. this is a democrat lawmaker in chicago. he says as a democrat i come here today calling on the president he said he wanted to help people in chicago. i accept that help. that is number one. we want to receive help from the president of the united states. another voice, kanye west talking to jimmy kimmel had this to say when kimmel pushed back on his support of president trump. watch. >> liberals can't bully me. news can't bully me. the hip-hop community can't bully me. because at that point if i'm afraid to be me, i'm no longer
yea. >> how will this impact the moderate independent voters? >> what's been so striking these sort of incidents with the president, is normally when you have this kind of racial unrest, presidents step in and try to calm the situation down. that's not clearly what this president does. he seems to thrive on this kind of tension and divisiveness. but, you know, it really hasn't cost him. a year after charlottesville, republicans are more unified around him. a lot of places on the campaign, he hasn't really paid a price for what he said in his back and forth about the charlottesville incident a year ago. i think the take away for the president and for a lot of people around the president about that is that there's no single incident that is going to, you know, certainly tank him in the eyes of his supporters but maybe with, you know, hurt
him more with independents either, that they are not really holding their breath for a katrina moment. that's not really going to happen with this president. martha: kamala harris talking about identity politics. let's watch. >> i have a problem, guys, with that phrase identity politics. because let's be clear, when people say that, it's a pejorative. that phrase is used to divide and it is used to distract. its purpose is to minimize and marginalize issues that impact all of us. it is used to try and shut us up. martha: this is the debate that we're talking about here, mark, your thoughts? >> well, i think to charlie's point earlier, i mean democrats have been engaging in identity politics for decades now. it is not something that is likely to change any time soon. in fact, i think because of people like kanye west and others who are coming out and saying i'm going to give this president a chance or the ones who actually took the president
up and said what do you have to lose as more and more people are coming over and saying, you know, i look at that unemployment rate that president trump talks about. i look at our increased wages. i see him engages on the things he was going to do. i will give him a chance. the more and more democrats are going to have to strike fear, keep those people into their political fold, and i don't think it is going to work in the long-term. when you look at the president's approval rating among african-americans right now it's doubled according to some recent polls, about 20%. it shows that the results do matter and people are starting to think critically for themselves. martha: we will talk more about the midterm politics with regard to this as the bigger picture as well, panel, thank you. we will take a quick break. less than a month after the helsinki summit, the work towards common ground is now in the middle of something called economic warfare. where are the u.s. and russia in terms of our relations really heading? we will talk to two key u.s. senators on this coming up next. we would talk to two key u.s.
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senator lindsey graham and senator jack reed both members of the armed services committee join us now and we begin with senator graham, senator, welcome back to "fox news sunday" good to have you with us here today. >> thank you. martha: in a new york times editorial, he went on to say that the united states -- that until the united states starts respecting turkey's sovereignty and proves that it understands the danger that our nation faces our partnership could be in jeopardy, which leads to the question, is this still a working relationship at all with turkey? >> an airbase in turkey, they are a nato ally, it needs to be a working relationship. we need turkey to help us in syria, iraq, they are a nato ally, but they have not just the pastor in jail, five or six other americans -- turkish citizens who work for the american embassy. we're not going to have a normal relationship with turkey until they let the pastor out. the charges against him are complete shams. it is a bogus event regarding
the pastor and others who work for the american embassy. they had nothing to do with trying to topple the government. martha: you know, i think in terms of the pastor brunson question, and, you know, this back and forth between turkey and the united states over an operation to overthrow the government in turkey, which is what he is so angry about. it is interesting to see, you know, that relationship that these are pinned on the return of these individuals which is a way that we haven't really seen presidents work in the past. do you think this is going to be successful? is brunson going to come back and is there a possibility to repair the relationship? we also know that turkey wants to buy defense weaponry from russia. that's also something we don't want them to do. >> this relationship needs to be repaired. it is in turkey's interest to have a good relationship with the united states. it is our interest to have a good relationship with turkey. i would like to one day do a free trade agreement with turkey. i would like to get them out of russia's orbit, pull them away from iran and back into our
sphere of influence where they should be. there will never be a normal relationship until the pastor is out of jail. he pastored a church of 50 people in turkey. he had nothing to do with the uprising in 2016. the employees of the american embassy are not trying to overthrow the turkish government. in 2016, the military turned on the turkish president. i can understand his concerns, but the s-400 being bought from russia, the russia's premier missile defense system, you can't have s 400. we need to reset this relationship and the best way to do it is let the pastor come home and start over. martha: when the president left for helsinki he talked about all the meetings that were ahead of him. and at that point he said putin might be the easiest of all of them. that he wanted to find some common ground with the leader of russia. now we've got a situation where there are sanctions due to the poisoning that happened in the
u.k. so is it fair to say that the president has put the goal of finding common ground with russia to the back burner at this point? >> yeah, i think russia behavior is dominated the relationship here. i don't mind trying to have a better relationship with russia. they just need to act better to achieve that goal. they did -- they were directly involved in killing the british citizen, the poison that was used in britain to kill the former soviet spy -- soviet member who became a spy, came from russia. they are meddling in the 2018 election. i'm 100% certain that they are continuing to meddle in our election. they intend to disrupt the 2018 election. so i've introduced hard-hitting sanctions. i applaud the administration for hitting russia based on what they did in britain. so you will never have a better relationship with putin as long as he behaves the way he does. and i appreciate the president pushing back.
martha: all right. i want to ask you before i let you go, a nonforeign policy question, with regard to bruce orr, department of justice official who worked under sally yates and a few offices down from the head of the justice department. he's becoming a much more central figure in what looks to be the initiation of this russia investigation. what do you know about that >> well, he was the number four guy at the department of justice. his wife worked for gps, the firm hired by the democratic national committee in the clinton campaign to find dirt on trump. they hired christopher steele, a former british agent who went to russia to gather dossier that i think is a bunch of political garbage. here's what i would tell the american people, both campaigns were investigated by the fbi and the department of justice in 2016. when it came to the clinton campaign, she got a pass. the criminal investigation of the clinton campaign was a joke. when it came to the trump campaign, it was corrupt, it was biassed, and i think unethical.
mr. ohr should not have had any role in investigating the trump campaign because his wife worked at fusion gps. the fbi agent in charge of the clinton campaign hated trump liked clinton and also started the counterintelligence investigation against trump. when it came to dianne feinstein, they went to her and said hey, there's a chinese person working on your staff that we think may be tied to the chinese government. when it came time to -- they never did the same for trump. so these investigations against trump were corrupt to the core. they gave clinton a pass. bruce ohr was at least unethical. we need a special counsel to look at all things department of justice and fbi when it came to the trump investigation, particularly the counterintelligence investigation. martha: we will talk about that in a moment. i want to circle back to north korea for a moment. the white house has really never explained the discrepancy between the president's tweet which says that there is no
longer a nuclear threat from north korea. >> right. martha: and john bolton's assessment that the singapore agreement really has not yielded any progress at all. you said at one point that the president could potentially receive the nobel prize for what he was doing in north korea. what do you say now? >> well, i think we need to be patient. north korea's going to do the -- going to respond appropriately or they will go back to the same old way of doing business. i can tell you this, president trump has no place to kick the can when it comes to north korea. if he had to as a last resort, he would use military force to stop their missile program, their nuclear program, and watch what's going on with iran. do you want to be next? i appreciate the president withdrawing from the nuclear agreement with iran and trying to break the ayatollah's back economically. this is a religious theocracy. to north korea, if you don't think trump will turn on you, if you try to play him, watch what's going on in north korea.
martha: senator lindsey graham, always good to talk to you. joining me the top democrat on the armed services committee, senator, thank you very much for being with us. as we look around the world, you know, what we see is sort of a very broad spectrum of tariffs and sanctions that have been levelled against as we were just discussing against turkey, against iran, against russia, also china. you said that you felt that the tariffs against china were the right move when president trump put them in place. now china is pushing back with punitive tariffs against the united states as well, which some people are concerned could down the road put a dent in the positive gdp growth that we have seen. here's the president talking about what's going on with china at bedminster this week. >> we're in a little bit of a fight with china right now. we want them to do well, but we want them to treat us fairly. they have not treated us fairly for many decades. martha: where do you think this is heading, senator? >> well, i think the president's
approach has been discoordinated. he has imposed sanctions on a range of countries. i don't think he has a strategic plan. i think he's essentially just lashing out k and when he doesn't get his way, he will invoke more sanctions. he's got sanctions against some of our closest allies like the canadians, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. i think if he had a more focused approach to china, if he indicated what he would want to change specifically, rather than just generically we are going to punish you until you stop doing everything you're doing, i think again, he has to be much more focused. martha: but you did say that it was a good idea for him to put those sanctions in place, and i think a lot of people who look at the trade imbalance have a similar reaction. you know, that he's not wrong about how the united states has been mistreated in these deals. so doesn't that require a bit of patience at the table? >> well, it requires patience, but it also requires a consistent plan and also
requires cooperation with our trading partners. rather than going in with a concerted effort, unified effort, he's created issues among all our major trading partners, and as a result, china's able to sort of in a way isolate us and diminish the effect of our sanctions, the effect of our policies. and the tariffs i think are less critical in terms of chinese tariffs and our tariffs. i think the real issue at stake is the way that the chinese do not allow our companies to participate fairly in china, to own companies, to protect intellectual property. a more focused approach by president trump on those efforts i think would be helpful. martha: that's clearly what the president is going for here. he's talked about it quite a bit in terms of intellectual property so again, doesn't it require patience and in the midst of the dealmaking to sort
of wait out the tough part of this because that's the negotiation, and do you think ultimately it will draw them to the table? >> well, i think it requires patience obviously. but i think it will also require sort of a more systematic and calculated and calibrated approach. it's been sort of a wild ride with the president in terms of sanctions he's imposed. again, it is not just with respect to china. i think he would be in a much stronger position if he had a unified trading block, the trading block, working with him against china. he doesn't have that. and then again, the question is, in terms of patience, who has the patience? i think the chinese seem to be indicating that they are not going to quickly succumb to these tariffs or these protectionist measures that the united states is imposing. it could be a long long process, and they might have the ability to wait us out. again, this is going to show effects in our economy eventually and those effects i think will take away from the growth we are seeing. martha: let me switch to iran
right now. obviously the snapback sanctions are now in place. the deal is not something that the united states is participating in anymore. and as a result of that, we saw some fairly aggressive moving up of the timetable for iran to carry out its military exercises that it does in the strait of hormuz over the course of this week. your reaction to that and where you think that situation goes next? >> well, first, you're right, exactly. they have moved up their annual exercises. they have conducted a ballistic missile exercise in conjunction with those exercises. one thing they haven't done which i think is appropriate and i think we cannot ever allow is they have not been interfering with the passage of ships through the strait of hormuz. that has to be something that is absolutely nonnegotiable. i think the problem is after withdrawing from the jcpoa we have lost the support of our european allies particularly. in fact the europeans are going to length to try to cushion the blow to the iranians.
and then again, you're into a situation where what's going to happen within tehran? i think there is a strong feeling that the hard-line is we'll take more and more power that they will begin to marginalize those people and i think using the term moderate in iran is not particularly accurate, but those much more sensitive to world opinion will be marginalized, and the hardliners will take over. and the iranians have the ability to through proxies particularly, to interrupt, interfere, and in fact indeed cause us harm in iraq and syria and throughout the region. so again, i think the biggest problem here is that we do not once again have a concerted world standing with us against the iranians, and they will try to divide and conquer, separate the europeans from us and continue to do that. martha: before i let you go, i want to ask you about the space force which got a lot of attention, even some ribbing this week, but it is a serious proposal on the part of the president that he wants to start
this sixth branch of the military. mark kelly, the former astronaut told me the other night that he thinks it's a bad idea, that it's a waste of money and that it's redundant. buzz aldrin also weighed in and said he thought it was a huge giant leap for mankind. he's very in favor of it. how about you, senator reed? >> i think we have to reorganize our space forces because our threats are now in multiple dimensions, but i think creating a separate service with all of the infrastructure and the bureaucracy is not the way to go. we in the national defense authorization act authorized a sub unified command for space that i think would begin to pull together these different strands. every service has some sort of connection to space. if you're -- and i was a paratrooper for several years, if you are on the ground, you need gps to give you directions and guidance. that's a space asset. if you are at sea, you need space asset. so this is not a one service dimension.
i think creating a separate service would just add bureaucracy without effect. what we have to do is unify our current efforts. one of the good models for this is joint special operations command, which is multiple services, seals, green berets, special operators, they operate unified but there's no new service with all the paraphernalia and bureaucracy of the new service. that's the direction we should head. martha: senator jack reed, thank you sir. good to see you today >> thank you very much. martha: coming up we will bring back the panel to discuss why bruce ohr who worked for sally yates is now becoming a more central figure in how the russia investigation got its legs in the first place. and rudy giuliani speaks out. i visualize travel rewards. i receive travel rewards. going new places. (oh!) going out for a bite. going anytime. rewarded! learn more at theexplorercard.com
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need to ask a single question on obstruction. he has all the answers. they are not going to change. the president's not going to change his testimony. so stop the nonsense. you are trying to trap him into perjury because you don't have a case. martha: rudy giuliani on the back and forth over special counsel robert mueller's request for an interview with the president in his investigation into russia's meddling in the 2016 election. we are back now with the panel. good to have all of you here. mark, let me start with you, your thoughts on giuliani's tactics here, and is he trying to convince the president not to sit down with robert mueller, do you think? >> probably to a certain extent. i mean the president has obviously said on multiple occasions that he would be open to the idea and his lawyers have pretty much unanimously said they are not. this is i think a message in both directions. one, for the special counsel to prepare himself that it's probably not going to happen. and secondly, to the president reiterating that they don't think it is a good idea. martha: lisa, what's the impact if he sits down or if he does not? >> well, i think part of -- this
is more of a pr strategy than a legal strategy. i feel sometimes like i'm having breakfast with giuliani. he's on my television so much. but that may be the right way to go in the end this could go to congress, whatever report comes out, if democrats take the house, this could be impeachment. this will be a political fight. and i think the president's team is setting it up that way. we know the president's lawyers don't want him to testify, but they also don't -- or to do the interview, but they also don't want it to look like he doesn't want to do the interview because that might look like he's hiding something. so this whole back and forth is a way to stretch out the argument, make it look that whether the president is or is not willing to do it, make it look like he is, and draw out this whole back and forth for as long as possible. martha: i wish we had a crystal ball so we could see how this story ends. his other attorney also came out this week, he said, you know, basically we didn't accept the offer from the special counsel, that they presented in terms of the parameters for those questions. you know, which leads to the
question, once again, when you hear all of this, as lisa says, from rudy giuliani and his other attorneys you wonder if their message as we have seen them do in a circular way before is at the president >> no kidding. what more is donald trump going to say about -- i mean, he's answered all of the questions. martha: you agree with rudy giuliani's point there? >> i do. i think the biggest problem from the president right now is he walks in, says something intentionally or unintentionally that's not true, on some completely unrelated matter, and it winds up being a perjury trap. but you know, the president has -- it's not like he's been quiet about this stuff. he has opined about every aspect of the investigation, the details, the people involved in the investigation. if mueller would just be satisfied with an interation via twitter -- interrogation via twitter, then he would have all his answers. martha: i think we have already
had that. juan? >> the fact is the president keeps changing his stories on the trump tower meeting for example. so we don't know exactly -- we can't say we know exactly what he thinks. we do know that jeff sessions the attorney general should get active and end this so called witch hunt in the president's terms. so i think what this is about is picking up on lisa's language, it is a campaign, a public relations campaign by giuliani and his other attorney to say to people, you can't trust the fbi. you can't trust the robert mueller special prosecutor investigation. and as a result, listen to me. this is what the president has said explicitly. don't listen to the press. that's fake news. listen to what i say. that's what's going on. and i think he's speaking to his base in that regard, and a lot of this and really in my mind boils down to a diversionary tactic if we're thinking in terms of war strategy. martha: let's take a look at the bruce ohr part of the story. he's been sort of a back player in all of this. according to to some new
reporting it appears he may have been lot more central to the investigation, in the beginning, the origins of a russia investigation than we may have realized. let's take a look at this quote from the hill. it says a close review of these new documents shows just how closely associate deputy attorney general bruce ohr who reported to obama era deputy attorney general sally yates maintained contact with fusion and in particular its primary source, former british spy christopher steele before, during, and after the election. so i want to pull up some of these communications between christopher steele and bruce ohr, at least this is who they are perceived to be between. this is july 1st, this is just before operation cross fire gets underway. steele wanted to give ohr urgent info -- i'm sorry, you're looking at january 31st. let me tell you one thing first. before that happened, they communicated on our favorite business tycoon, okay? we don't know necessarily who that is, but you can surmise
perhaps who that might be, based on this. so that was on july the 1st that he had urgent information that he wanted to give to bruce ohr on our favorite business tycoon. then, fast forward to july 31st, so at this point bruce ohr is talking to christopher steele, according to these reports, and he is talking about checking to see if he is okay. let's put the january 31st one back up on the screen now. the reason he wants to know if bruce ohr is okay is because sally yates has just been fired, that day. so he's trying to figure out if his connection and this is after the fbi has fired christopher steele. christopher steele now no longer works for the federal government. so steele says to ohr just want to check with you that you are okay. still in situation able to help locally as discussed along with your bureau colleagues. martha: then move forward to
this cryptic message: martha: they are trying to investigate who our guy and where back home may be in all of this, but charlie, let me start with you, your thoughts here. >> christopher steele he keeps coming back. what these messages reveal is that he was coming back, even after president trump had been sworn in, and then he's worried about bruce ohr being removed and then where will he -- who will be his contact person at that point? it just -- you know, it undermines the credibility of the fbi and the doj, obviously. but it feeds all of the questions that we've had all along about the -- about how
both the launch of the investigation, originally, into trump collusion -- alleged collusion with russia, but also whether or not there was sort of a vendetta or something. i mean, at all levels of the department, a vendetta, some effort to try to thwart the president, and it should alarm everybody, whether you're democrat or republican. it should be very alarming. >> yeah, that is the question, whether or not there was some sort of concerted effort between the doj and the fbi and christopher steele who was hired by the hilary clinton campaign to keep this fire burning, to figure out what they could dig up perhaps on president trump. bruce ohr's wife works for fusion gps which we didn't mention before. >> let me offer a different point of view, which you have christopher steele as a well respected spy across the globe
who thought he had information. remember, the fbi did not disclose that they had an ongoing investigation of donald trump before the election. here comes steele, and he says they're getting rid of obama era justice department officials, who can i talk to in the government if i discover added solid information? so i think there's not much here to this story, except to say that it feeds donald trump's effort to discredit the fbi, to discredit the justice department and justice department officials and to suggest that somehow there's a grand effort against him. but there's no there there. this is a nothing. martha: we will see. i want to ask you guys quickly about the midterm outcome this week. close races. what do you think mark are the indications for republicans and democrats from what we saw this week? >> i never put a lot of stock into special elections in the middle of summer right before people are going back to school, usually low turnout. it looks like we are winning the
race and continue to do so. i think the biggest message is get out there, do your job, raise money, knock on doors, do not count on the fact that the president and vice president in the last minute can come out to help you. martha: a lot of reaction to nancy pelosi? >> republicans see that as a way to get republican voters who may not be crazy about the president, independents, you know, they can get them against pelosi. martha: we will be right back with the final word. thanks to our panel. ign up for new insurance instead? for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ cohigher!ad! . but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again.
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