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jillian: friday, september 28th, this is "fox and friends first". happening at 4:00 am, the confirmation countdown is officially on and the stage is set for the first official vote just hours from now. who are the key holdouts holding brett kavanaugh's fate in their hands? live in washington. senator lindsey graham throwing the books at democrats, this was definitely one of the most memorable moment on the confirmation circus. the most disgraceful thing he
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has ever seen in politics. the other big question on america's mind, what exactly was in the envelope, sheila jackson lee is giving to ford's attorney. "fox and friends first," we will talk about it. ♪ jillian: a rainy start to the morning in new york city. live shot of times square, quite a busy day yesterday. you are watching "fox and friends first" friday morning. thanks for starting your day with us. let's begin with that and fox
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news alert, fireworks, supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh and christine ford undergoing hours of questioning in any emotional and explosive senate hearing. >> i'm here today not because i want to be. i am terrified. i am here because it is my civic duty to tell you what happened to me when brett kavanaugh and i were in high school. >> it took the committee 10 days to get to this hearing. those two long days, as was predictable and as i predicted, my family and my name have been totally and permanently destroyed by vicious and false additional accusations. >> the details of that might that bring me here today are the ones i will never forget. they have been seared into my
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memory. >> this confirmation process has become a national disgrace. the constitution gives the senate an important role in the confirmation process. you have replaced advice and consent with search and destroy. >> it drastically altered my life for a long time. i was too afraid and ashamed to tell anyone these details. >> no one can question your effort, your coordinated and well-funded effort destroy my good name and destroy my family will not drag me out. the file threats of violence against my family will not drive me out. you may defeat me in the final vote but you will never get me to quit. never. >> doctor forward, with what degree of certainty do you believe brett kavanaugh assaulted you? >> 100%.
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>> i swear today under oath before the senate and the nation, before my family and god, i am innocent of this charge. >> emotions and distress running rampant yesterday from both of those individuals. today the senate judiciary committee heading into a 9:30 vote on brett kavanaugh as donald trump reaffirms support for his supreme court nominee. griff jenkins live in the nation's capital with a breakdown of the explosive hearing. that is one word for it. what a day. >> reporter: what a day indeed. a tale of two testimonies. history will not forget yesterday's emotional and extra ordinary hearing, doctor forward and brett kavanaugh, with anger and tears, it is time to vote.
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what may be looked at as the pivotal moment where the passion stands that senator lindsey graham took. >> what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open and hope you win in 2020. you said that. i voted for lindsey graham and sonia sotomayor, i would never do what you did to this guy. the most unethical sham since i have been in politics. >> reporter: mitch mcconnell says this is the timeline, 9:30 to vote on brett kavanaugh. and the nomination on the floor, monday a procedural vote to end the debate on brett kavanaugh's nomination and tuesday the actual vote that will determine the fate of brett kavanaugh and
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it will be close. three key republican votes will likely decide this, senators collins, murkowski and flake are undecided, 47 republicans. a democrat to watch joe manchin appears to lean towards yes, that could be a huge factor. donald trump was glued to the hearings and standing behind his nominee, brett kavanaugh showed america why i nominated him come his testimony was powerful, honest and limiting. this process has been a total sham in an effort to delay, obstruct and resist, the senate must vote. one thing you elected to hear more about his democrats continue to call for fbi investigation, the american bar association weighing in urging the senate to delay the vote until the guy could investigate. >> the next person who refers to
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an fbi report as being worth anything doesn't understand anything. the fbi explicitly does not in this or any other case reach a conclusion, period. >> reporter: finally this morning with the committee vote senator flake is on the committee, we will find out where he stands, with collins and murkowski. >> an interesting report came out, and email that murkowski, collins, flake and manchin were huddled together. a block vote coming to agreement. and they withheld this information, the leaks coming from her office, she denied that. what do you make of that? >> you will hear more about that because doctor ford sent the letter to diane feinstein and she was asked about it
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yesterday, john cornyn of texas called her out on it and she denied her office, leaked this letter and let forced testimony. take a listen. >> i don't believe my staff would be good. >> somebody leaked it if it wasn't you. >> i'm telling you i did not. she testified she had spoken to her friends about it and most likely that is how the story leaked. it did not leak from us, i assure you of that. >> reporter: in a town where leaks are rampant, that was front and center. the final thought, if brett kavanaugh goes down, they will have a backup plan if need be. >> as we have seen so far, anything can happen. there has been a lot of back and
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forth about the seemingly gentle line of questioning from rachel mitchell. what did you think of a job she did? some believe it helps doctor ford's credibility. jonathan turley thinks it was brett kavanaugh who came out on top. >> he regained that ground, difficult needle to thread. he couldn't be seen as going on offense against her butt and that going on offense against committee democrats and it worked very well. what people saw in that anger was a certain genuine quality, he came off rather wooden and robotic in the confirmation hearing and there was nothing particularly practiced here. people saw very raw anger and sort of the michael dukakis of judicial confirmations. if someone accuses you of being
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a rapist people expect you to be angry and he certainly was. heather: would tip the balance closer to the conservative side but -- a plane crash lands into the sea. a couple other headlines. everyone on board survived. 47 people rescued. this happened off the coast of micronesia in the pacific. >> i thought we landed hard, there was a hole in the side of the plane. >> i was impressed with the locals who immediately started coming out in boats. heather: the plane the and thinking in the water after they overshot a short airport runway. no one was seriously injured. a tragic ending, this plane crash happening in greenville south carolina, two pilots killed the couple critically injured after a jets kids off the runway and split into two. investigators waiting on results
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of the body believed to be a boy with autism who vanished in the park, the ending none of us wanted to happen to this sweet little boy, police fighting back tears after a 6-day search for maddox ritch ended in tragedy. >> our communities are heartbroken, searchers, investigators, this is not the end we hoped-for. heather: the boy's body found in a creek off a north carolina hwy.. the last person to see him writing on facebook, quote, for the rest of my life i will live with the guilt of not being there to save my son. rod rosenstein's job is safe for now. donald trump postponing his meeting, we talked about the possibility with rod rosenstein with supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh's hearing, and bob goodlatte issuing a subpoena for fbi deputy director andrew
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mccabe. rod rosenstein suggested reporting donald trump in a meeting with mccabe and others in the fbi. we are hours away from the senate committee vote on brett kavanaugh. what happens if he doesn't get confirmed? a personal friend of brett kavanaugh, why he says anyone who votes against him is complicit in one of the greatest shams in modern-day politics. you might want medicare supplement insurance, too. uh oh, more research. no big thing. not with this website. unitedhealthcare insurance company created aarpmedicaresupplement.com to give you answers about aarp medicare supplement insurance plans insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like how this type of plan, also called a medigap plan,
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>> this whole two week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit fueled with apparent pent-up anger about donald trump and the 2016 election.
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this is a circus. the consequences will extend long past my nomination. the consequences will be with us for decades. heather: brett kavanaugh blasting senate democrats during his marathon testimony in an exclusive hearing on capitol hill. joining me is indiana congressman and friend of brett kavanaugh david mcintosh. thanks for joining us, appreciate it. you and brett kavanaugh went to yale together. i want your personal response to seeing him yesterday clearly in distress on the verge of tears multiple times. what were your thoughts watching him? >> didn't quite overlap in yale but for 20 or more years, my thoughts went to him and his family about having to sit through this personal smear campaign and come here and talk
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about his sex life in a hearing about who should be the justice of the supreme court. donald trump made an excellent pick in brett kavanaugh and the reason is he is a very measured, deliberate, thorough judge will make an excellent justice on the supreme court. what we are seeing is a democrat smear campaign. they can't defeat him on merits and for them it is all about power. we saw that in a quote from one of the clinton political operatives in the newspaper two or three days ago, a 2-step process. first we have to stop brett cavanagh, delay, stop, prevent him from getting on the court. second, we have to win the united states senate that, get the majority and stop every one of donald trump's nominees, that is what is going on. democrats trying to stop donald trump. heather: in terms of everything we heard yesterday along with the testimony from doctor ford,
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what stood out the most to you? what was the most significant if any of it? >> we heard a lot of it before but one of the things i found most significant was who actually leaked this document? you played that earlier, the senator feinstein denied it. frankly it is pretty clear to me they leaked it so doctor ford would agree to testify, she said she wasn't going to but when reporters harassed her she decided she should. second they calculated, they waited until the last minute. those are the telltale signs that this is a political smear campaign. there was no effort to get it to the fbi, to get a real investigation. if they were really concerned about doctor ford, they would have acted different we. heather: let's talk about what happens today. in reference to the leak and the delay and senator feinstein's office. if they managed to delay this,
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if he is not confirmed, what are the consequences? views confirmed what are the consequences? >> the senate committee will vote on it. i'm hopeful that all the republican senators will vote to confirm and send it to the floor. senator flake is the only one that hasn't indicated one way or other on that committee. i think he knows brett kavanaugh is telling the truth and i hope that will lead him to decide to vote yes but even if he doesn't, it will go to the 4. this is such a critical vote and mitch mcconnell has said he would start over the weekend the process so there could be a vote next tuesday. heather: thank you for joining us, we appreciate it and your personal insight and our hearts go out to the brett kavanaugh family, thank you. reactions from both sides of the aisle pouring in overnight after the brett kavanaugh hearing. the top comments from capitol hill.
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some lawmakers were questioning the judge, one democratic senator did this, sent out a fundraising email. imagines that. carly shimkus has the backlash and the campaign apology which was quick to come. [ upbeat music ]
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senate republicans more certain of his innocence and senate democrats more convinced of his guilt. donald trump and vice president mike pence through their support behind brett kavanaugh after the hearing with mike pence saying this, today senate republicans conducted a hearing that was fair and respectful to brett cavanagh and doctor ford, the same cannot be said for the democrats. based on today and decades of service i stand with brett kavanaugh, a person of integrity and impeccable credentials, take the vote. republican senator bill cassidy signing and saying enough with the delays, time to confirm brett kavanaugh and bring washington democrats shameful smear campaign to a end but democratic senator cory booker addressed the accuser saying doctor ford, thank you for speaking truth to power. what you did today for survivors across this country was nothing short of hero. in all of your courage and bravery.
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it is up to those key swing votes. lawmakers were huddled together after the hearing and we have to wait and see. >> overall it gave politics a bad taste. >> what was up with this letter that was handed over to ford's lawyer? >> one moment peaking interest as they watched this hearing unfold, when democratic congresswoman sheila jackson lee handed an envelope to doctor ford's attorneys. you can see it being passed over right there. a lot of us wondering what was inside that envelope? folks on social media questioning that. freedom of information act, i want to know what is in that envelope. april saying it is probably a donation to pay fees. a lot of people thinking that.
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nothing like that. her office it was an open letters of support from women who believed forward and she was just passing them along. nothing controversial, no payment. let's talk about a fundraising email that was sent out. democratic senator hirono apologizing for using this as an opportunity to fund raise. some supporters received this email, while i am focused on stopping brett kavanaugh's nomination, i'm asking you to step up and ensure my team has everything they need to win our campaign. a fundraising message was sent this morning in error. we apologize sincerely for that era, campaign send that email and the apology. a lot of people saying this was a wrong move and it is good that she apologized. shannon: fundraising email
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started going out almost immediately. be aware of that. thank you, have a great weekend. the time is 26 minutes after the top of the hour. emotions running high from brett kavanaugh and christine ford during the powerful hearing. >> you believe brett kavanaugh assaulted you? >> 100%. >> we should pray for the woman. >> that moment got me. jackie ibanez is here with your reaction to the key moments from that testimony. we want to know what you have to say for sure. ♪ don't let me down ♪ don't let me down ♪
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>> doctor ford, with what degree of certainty do you believe brett kavanaugh assaulted you? >> 100%. >> i swear today under oath before the senate and the nation, before my family and god, i am innocent of this charge. >> there were four boys, i remember specifically being at the house. >> all four people allegedly at the event including doctor ford's longtime friend miss kaiser said they recall no such event. >> i remember my friend leland attending. >>, quote, simply put, miss kaiser does not know mister kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present with or without doctor ford. think about that fact. >> emotions at an all-time high on capitol hill, brett kavanaugh and his accuser, doctor christine blasey-ford share their story before the judiciary
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committee and the american people. jackie ibanez joining us with key moments from the hearing and what everyone at home had to think. the word emotional, frustrating, comes down to a matter of who you believe. >> people were glued to the tv, emotions running high as america watched powerful and explosive testimony unfold, doctor ford telling the senate judiciary committee she was sure of her accuser's identity, brett cavanagh broke down in tears talking about his daughter. >> doctor ford, with what degree of certainty do you believe brett kavanaugh assaulted you? >> 100%. >> the other night ashley, my daughter, said their prayers, eliza, 10 years old -- said to ashley, we should pray for the woman.
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heather: the lawyers for doctor ford saying they paid for the polygraph, she took in august. but afterwards, the story seemed to change a bit. >> did you pay for the polygraph yourself? >> i don't think so. >> do you know who did pay for the polygraph -- polygraph? >> not yet. >> dick durbin and judge cavanagh caught in a fire exchange of the call for an fbi probe. >> i want to know what you want to do. >> i'm innocent of this charge. >> you are prepared for an fbi investigation? >> they don't reach conclusions, you reach the conclusion. >> they do investigate questions. heather: it was hard to watch, heart wrenching. once to take a shower for sure. one of the other key moments, went through the timeline as to when this information was received by diane feinstein, when attorneys were hired on the part of doctor ford, polygraph
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was taken and it brings the question, what do people have to say? >> we know it is an emotional time for everyone. joseph on facebook saying amazing how brett cavanagh remembers every single detail from the timeframe in question and his accuser remembers nothing. mary tweets it was a circus and will go down in history as an embarrassing blemish on america and nothing but an attempt to set a new and damaging president on judicial justice. cheryl on instagram says brett kavanaugh is an honorable godly man, ford is mistaken. heather: i heard someone talking about the impact this would have on the midterm elections in congress and regardless of the political side it left a bad taste in your mouth, democrat or republican, and usually the party that is in power takes a hit when people are disgusted with the process. we will see. fox news alert. some other things, 7 suspected
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heather: welcome back, you are watching "fox and friends first". the media coming out sympathetic to doctor christine ford finding her, quote, credible while hammering brett kavanaugh and using his anger and frustration against him. >> she comes across very credible. >> the credibility of her testimony is unparalleled. >> listening to brett kavanaugh, it was surprising to me, he seemed like a boule. he was angry and belligerent and it was kind of scary. >> that is not the temperament of a federal judge. >> completely everything a federal judge isn't. heather: i don't think he could have won either way. them in the media declaring the supreme court nominee guilty. paul krugman of the new york times tweeting whatever
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eventually happens, brett kavanaugh was a smarmy, smirking, entitled guy. obviously had a skeleton in his closet. matthew dowd writing she has nothing to gain and everything to lose. for 250 years we have believed that he in these scenarios. enough is enough. a former colleague of brett kavanaugh and michelle malcolm sounding off about the media's parent like demonization of the supreme court nominee. listen to this. >> can't win for losing. when people are accused of something wrongly, they have a strong reaction and brett was indignant, offended and all the things a person, a good person would be when they have been wrongly accused on a national stage and their name has been dragged through the mud. he would be upset too.
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it was the goodness in brett coming out to say this is wrong and i'm not going to take this anymore and i'm really glad he did that. they keep repeating and parroting over and over again that the accuser, ford was not on trial. neither is brett kavanaugh. and yet he has been convicted and hung by these have them high justice feminists. that is what a thinking society has devolved into. uma: senate judiciary committee will vote today on whether or not to send brett kavanaugh's nomination to the full senate. that a final confirmation vote could come tuesday of next week. democrats praised doctor ford or her bravery, one woman says they ignored her sexual assault allegations 20 years ago. remember one he about rick -- one need a brodrick? she claimed bill clinton raped her in the 70s when he was arkansas attorney general. she tried taking her allegations public in 1999 but says democrats back then refused to
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do anything. >> he felt compelled to speak up about the double standard. what do you say to democrats -- >> senator feinstein and senator durbin and senator schumer wanted nothing to do with my case. they should apologize for what they did to me in 1999 completely turning their backs on me. >> reporter: former president clinton denies the allegation. heather: what a mess. let's talk about something else that is a mess, an illegal immigrant who has been deported six times is accused of brutally murdering homeless people in california. on the east coast, daca recipient behind bars charged with murdering his shipmate aboard a fishing boat. what are the legal loopholes putting american lives in danger. joining me is doctor jason niccolo. thank you for joining us, appreciate it.
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just to talk about something else going on briefly today, this is something we don't want to go under the radar. talk to us first about the incident involving the shipmates, specifically what you know about that. >> the shipmate was here illegally. he had a daca recipient and then he lost that privilege. looks like he was hastily married and he assaulted his wife. he was arrested and then he was released on an immigration judge bond. there is a reason he should have been here. heather: the how did that happen? what loopholes allow those things to transpire? >> in this case the immigration judge released him and i don't know if that is because he had a stay or some other relief afforded him. heather: let's go to the second incident, california killer, he had been deported six times, we
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constantly hear about these individuals being deported repeatedly repeatedly over and over. you see his mugshots, he doesn't look concerned. >> he had a lengthy criminal history and another case where -- he is from el salvador. that is the other thing, the judge released him. the ice officers and supervisors in the ground. we need to heed their warnings. heather: you say more power needs to be given to ice? what needs to transpire between the judges and ice supervisors? >> we definitely need more immigration judges, need more immigration judges. we need more asylum officers. we need to take the recommendations of the ice officers and ice supervisors on the ground. they have the ground troops. heather: do you think anything will change in california specifically? >> how can it? we need bipartisan immigration reform. anytime i come on i say we need it. everyone in america believes in that.
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the thing is it is not going to happen in today's day and age. heather: the why? >> it is so political. right now every talking point is brett kavanaugh or immigration. you cannot get past that. heather: why do we hear more about these incidents we are talking about? american citizens losing their lives to people who are repeatedly deported and let back into this country. it seems the simple solution would be don't let them back in. >> exactly. you do have federal laws, if someone does reenter after being deported they could be charged federally. if you have jurisdiction like california good luck trying to have a us attorney's office prosecutor case for reentry after deportation. heather: thank you for joining us, appreciate it, important topic to talk about. senator lindsey graham erupting in anger at the heated hearing
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with brett kavanaugh. this is something to see. slamming his democratic colleagues. >> what you want to do is destroy this guy's life. a system of unethical sham since i have been in politics. heather: is senator graham right? we will debate it up next. help bring us together. we order custom ink to welcome new employees, personalize team shirts, and even for company events. the design lab is so easy to use. we just upload out logo and if we have any questions, customer service is there to help. seeing our team together in custom ink gear is an amazing reminder of how far we've come as a business. - [narrator] custom ink has hundreds of products to help you look and feel like a team. upload your logo or start your design today at customink.com
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heather: senator lindsey graham tearing into democratic colleagues for their handling of brett kavanaugh's confirmation process. >> what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold the seat open and hope you win in 2020.
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you said that. when you see soda mayor and kagan, let's not vote for this, i would never do to them what you did to this guy. the most unethical sham since i have been in politics. julie: is you have a point? i democrats politically motivated to keep the supreme court seat open? here to debate is rochelle ritchie and republican strategist nathan straub. thank you for joining us. rochelle, i will begin with you. your overall thoughts on lindsey graham. you can see the passion inside of him. >> this was where everyone was passionate about what was happening yesterday whether it was doctor ford, brett kavanaugh and senator graham. it is really unfortunate that doctor ford's story has been held for this long which does sort of give credit to the fact that this was a politically
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motivated attack in order to withhold brett kavanaugh's nomination. with that said i also think this kind of shows a little bit about what is happening on capitol hill right now. there is a lot of divisiveness whether it is on the left or the right. for republicans it is about credibility. who do you believe? who is believable? they are looking at this as a coherent, not what you know, what we saw yesterday was doctor ford was not able to corroborate her story and brett kavanaugh was. heather: what did you think about the passion that went back and forth from all sides? >> senator graham was exactly right. on my twitter feed i follow a wide range of people from the crazy left of the crazy right and all points in between and what i saw on twitter after senator graham's speech was the mild-mannered somewhat conservative that i follow who
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really show any anger were upset, they were angry, they were fired up. senator graham tapped into a nerve where a lot of republicans, this process is a sham, that brett kavanaugh was set up just like he said and unfortunately the biggest loser yesterday was the american people and the institutions we rely on to provide good government for our country. heather: the white house came out to support senator graham almost immediately, the president himself, sarah sanders tweeting with the graham has more decency and courage than every democrat member of the committee combined, god bless him. a lot of finger-pointing at this point. a good point i will bring up with you, the reflection on both sides of the aisle if democrats succeed in delaying the confirmation vote, what precedent does that set? >> we heard a lot about the fear, will this impact supreme
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court nominations from here on out? if one person can come forward with an allegation would this ultimately style our confirmation hearing of our justices, i do think that is a concern but i think we have to be concerned about the character of our justices and that is what the democrats are talking about. they are talking about whether we want a man accused of sexual assault sitting on the highest bench in the nation. heather: the accused of sexual assault but with no corroborating evidence to support that including the best friend of the woman doing the accusing who says it didn't happen. you get the final word here. >> all the evidence is on brett kavanaugh's side. i was watching this and reading about it, what struck me as i have two daughters and one son and i want my daughters grow up in a world where they don't have to fear bringing forward an allegation, something horrific like this were to happen to them but i don't want my son to have
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to fear that he is presumed guilty because somebody says something with 0 corroborating evidence. as of right now all of the evidence is on brett kavanaugh's side. diane: fear you will be put out for display like what has happened here with doctor ford and brett kavanaugh. thank you for joining us, we will see what happens. coming up, jeopardy contestants walk away with prize money but when guest just walked away with something bigger, stay tuned. >> i want to say one quick thing and ask lillian shafer if she will make me a winner today and marry me. and like my dad, you might want medicare supplement insurance, too. uh oh, more research. no big thing. not with this website. unitedhealthcare insurance company created aarpmedicaresupplement.com to give you answers about aarp medicare supplement insurance plans insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like how this type of plan, also called a medigap plan,
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heather: enough time for the good, the bad and the ugly. the good. he didn't win the game but this jeopardy contestants still went home a winner. >> i want to say one quick thing and ask maria shafer right there if she would make me a winner today and marry me. heather: michael proposing to his girlfriend in front of host alex trebek and the rest of america and she said yes. the bad. a halloween decoration spooks neighbors into calling the cops. amanda north dakota calling 911 after spotting this bloodstained helped me sign stuck to a window.
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that would help me call 911 too. a dog accidentally get stuck in this concrete wall. firefighters using a sledgehammer to welcome linda, she is just fine, just a little embarrassed. that wraps up this hour of "fox and friends first". "fox and friends first" continues right now, have a great weekend, goodbye. rob: it is friday, september 28th. this is fox news alert. the confirmation countdown is on, the first official vote just hours from now. jillian: who are the key holdouts holding brett kavanaugh's fate in their hands? >> i thought we landed hard, i thought there was a hole in the side of the plane. >> i was impressed with the locals who immediately started coming out in boats. >> reporter: a passenger jet slamming into the water with

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