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first ever dog of the year. todd is doing well and we are happy to say recovering and enjoying all those treats. that is how fox reports this sunday, october 28, i'm just got to keep watching "fox news sunday" bar snacks. >> i am chris wallace. a mass shooting in a pittsburgh synagogue. the deadliest attack on jews in u.s. history. >> of his evil anti-semitic attack is an assault on all of us. it's a an assault on humanity is the one that is just a day after a man is arrested for sending mail bombs to critics of president trump. raising new questions about inflammatory political rhetoric that sometimes goes over the edge. >> any acts or threats of political violence - - are an attack on our democracy itself. >>chris: this hour, from the
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brett kavanaugh confirmation to confronting politicians and the angry debate over the migrant caravan. we will look at the growing national divide. we will have the latest on the alleged mail bombs a suspect and the synagogue slaughter. >> it's a horrific crime scene. one of the worst i've seen. >>chris: we will talk with the secretary of homeland security, kiersten nielsen. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. then we will breakdown the battle for the house with the leaders of both parties campaign committees, republican steve stivers and democrat ben ray lujan. plus we will ask our sunday panel about calls for unity and the growing partisan rancor. alright now on "fox news sunday". and hello again from fox news in washington. we begin with breaking news. yet another tragedy and then increasingly divided nation. just nine days before the midterm elections.
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the mass shooting saturday at a synagogue in pittsburgh left 11 dead and six wounded, including four police officers. witnesses say the gunmen shouted anti-semitic slurs before firing a semi automatic rifle. the rampage coming one day after the arrest of a man charged with mailing pipe bombs to prominent democrats. in a moment, we will speak with homeland security secretary kiersten nielsen. first, - - outside the federal detention center in miami where the mailbox suspect is being held. >>reporter: we are getting new information about this mail bomber. new details about his personality. family members are describing him as troubled but many coworkers say, he was simply flat out crazy. >> cesar sayoc, the suspect behind 14 pipe bombs to critics
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of president trump will face a judge monday before being transferred to new york for prosecution. cesar sayoc, a one-time stripper, dj and pizza delivery man was arrested at least 12 times for fraud, theft and drugs. he now faces five federal charges and could be sentenced to 48 years in prison. one day after his capture, 46-year-old robert bowers brought an assault rifles and three pistols into the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. president trump condemned the attack is pure evil. and that the outcome might have been different with an armed guard. >> if they had protection inside, the results would have been far better. >>reporter: the president said he will go to pittsburgh. both the pipe bomber and the synagogue shooter were active on social media spewing hatred right up until the middle of their attacks. >>chris:steve, thanks for that .
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with the spike in political and religious violence, we want to take a look at the growing political divide in our country that seems an ever greater danger of boiling over. here's fox news white house correspondent, kevin cork. >> political violence must never be allowed and i will do everything in my power to stop it. >>reporter: it was a call for peace but for president trump, - - may be the heaviest of his presidency. in the 21 months since mr. trump took office, the political climate has become increasingly disruptive. [shouting] disrespectful. even deadly. the latest temper of the times, that mass shooting at a synagogue and the arrest of a suspect with artese believe send more than a dozen pipe bombs to democrats across the
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country. a reflection of a political culture now awash in vitriol and venom. we are letters sent with rice and have fairly shocked the conscience. >> you are not welcome them anywhere anywhere. >> you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for. what you care about. >> michelle says when they go low, we go high. when they go low, we kick them. >> any guy that can do a body slam is my guy. [applause] is my guy. >> when words stop meeting anything, went earth doesn't matter. when people can just make up facts. then democracy, it doesn't wor . >>reporter: just who is at fault for the current political and environment is a debate
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that will be had for some time. what is clear, is our need to examine how we got to this point and where we go from here. >> we have serious political differences at home. but our opponents are not evil. they're just our opponents. in the end, we must recognize that we are all americans. >>reporter: chris. >>chris: kevin, thank you. joining me now is the secretary of homeland security, kiersten nielsen. secretary, welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> thank you, my pleasure to be here. >>chris: let's start with that terrible synagogue shooting. as you view it now, was this an act of terror? was it a hate crime and how do we better protect soft target like a house of worship?>> chris, first let me be clear, this was a pure act of evil. you've heard that from the president and vice president yesterday. that's what it is. we all condemn this in the strongest terms possible. as you know, we have an
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extraordinary amount of planning and training for active shooter events as well as protection of soft targets in general. >>chris: i understand that dhs officials had been in the synagogue recently. >> yes, as recently as march. we conducted a site visit with our protective security advisor in the area. this is something we often do. >>chris: what's the advice on how to handle an active shooter? someone comes into a service, what can you do? >> each individual location is slightly different. that's why the planning and the training is so important. in such event, there's really time to think through responsibility. the response has got to be automatic. that's where the drills on the workshops we conduct come in. we train over 900,000 officials throughout the country. we will continue to do that. in some cases, the advice is to
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shelter in place., some, it's to evacuate. but you should always listen to the individuals in charge who will direct you. >>chris: let's turn to the mail bomb case. is there any evidence at this point that cesar sayoc had any help in constructing and sending these bombs? is there a chance there is an accomplice who is still at large? >> as you know, the investigation is still underway. what i can assure you, if there are additional perpetrators, they will also be brought to justice. the president has directed all federal resources to be on top of this. we are continuing to work closely with the secret service and federal protective services with the fbi and state and local officials. and we will bring any and all perpetrators to justice be one at this point, is there any sign there is an accomplice? >> as you know, the fbi in
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their press conference did announce that one individual has been taken into custody. the rest of the investigation is ongoing and i know that we will learn more in the hours and days to come. >>chris: i want to hold up the front page from the "washington post" from yesterday about the capture of cesar sayoc. it doesn't say suspect arrested with what is says is bomb suspect outspoken supporter of trump. what responsibility do you think president trump bears for the actions of this individual? >> i think the president has made it extraordinarily clear that we will never allow a political violence to take root in this country. i firmly believe in the first amendment. but anybody who uses the first amendment as a cover to threaten or commit an act of violence, will not be
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tolerated. there's no place for hate in this country point hate is hate and violence is violence. we will do all we can at the department of homeland security to ensure such attacks are not perpetrated. >>chris: we've been talking about the coarsening of our political discourse. during the height of the family separation controversy, you were at a restaurant where you were heckled as you ate in the restaurant and later, protesters went to your home and blasted audio of crying my grandchildren. outside your home. couple of questions secretary, what those processors did, do you think that was over the line? what do you think, do you think the president's rhetoric and politics have contributed to the growing instability and rancor in our politics? >> i think that folks, first of all, to the extent that folks exercise their first amendment
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rights. it is protected in our country. but there is a line. when those choose to use the first amendment to incite violence, to incite disruption. rather than being constructive. to have conversations that instead tear americans apart. i do not support that. there was a time recently where i daily, had to review, myself, all of the death threats against the great men and women of the homeland security department. whoever they wake up to protect other americans but there's an appropriate way to express solutions and ideas. i welcome them at all times but these calls to violence and disruption are not effective. not productive and frankly, contribute to additional deconstruction of our ability to work together. >>chris: let's turn to perhaps your day job. immigration. there's a report that the president is considering making a major speech this week in which he will announce that he is stealing the border even to
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people seeking asylum. on what legal basis could he do that? >> i think the president has been saying and will continue to say, certainly what i've been saying is, this caravan is not getting in. there's a legal way to enter this country. those who choose to enter illegally will be stopped. we were working with our partners in mexico. they have taken unprecedented efforts within their territory to ensure an orderly flow and that you have nothose with no l to be there will be removed. my message to this caravan is do not come. you will not be allowed in. there's a right way to emigrate to the united states and this is not it. >>chris: want to drill down a little bit because according to reports, the president may use the same legal authority he did for the first travel ban which is section 212 f of the
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immigration nationality act. i fully understand that people coming from honduras don't have a right to come into the u.s. illegally. but on what basis can you say that this caravan poses a national security threat? >> we have a crisis at the border right now. we are stopping between 1500-1700 people a day, trying to cross illegally into this country. this caravan is one iteration of that but frankly, we see caravans every day with these numbers. i think with the president is making clear, everypossible action , authority, executive program is on the table to consider to ensure it is clear that there is a right and legal way to come to this country and no other ways will be tolerated. >>chris: i fully understand that and a lot of people would
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say we need to reform the laws but the question i have is he's talking specifically about a provision where the president gets to protect national security. we are talking in many cases about women, about children, about babies. how do they threaten national security? >> this isn't a ticketed event. you don't have a membership in the caravan. there are consistently, moment to moment, those raising their hand saying their part of the caravan and others who yesterday said they were part of the caravan say they're no longer part of the caravan. what were talking about is a flow of people that are headed toward the united states. they have chosen to break laws along the way. you saw some of them frankly overwhelmed and buster the border between guatemala and the country of mexico. mexico has offered them asylum. in some cases they have refused. mexico has offered work permits
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and in some cases they have refused.i think with the president and i are both saying and we want to be clear on this, if you seek asylum, do so in the first safe country. mexico has offered you refuge. if you want a job, that is not asylum. if you want to be reunited with her family, that is not asylum. if you want to just come live in the united states, that is not asylum. this is about the rule of law and understanding whose in the flow. i cannot tell you as secretary of homeland security that i know everyone in this flow. what i do know is we stop 3000 people a year would have travel patterns similar to terrorists from attempting to come into the southwest border. we stop 10 known or unknown suspected terrorists a day. >>chris: i want to ask you about another one of your day job done that's the midterm elections coming up, nine days from today. can you guarantee to the american people that their voting systems will be secure and will be up through november 6?
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if you go to vote, that you will be able to do so and that if your vote will be counted accurately and there won't be a foreign actor interfering with that. >> the goal just as you say is absolutely to assure americans that their vote will count and will be counted correctly. we are constantly monitoring, constantly working and sharing information. we will be setting up a virtual situation room on election day that we can quickly support any incident response needed. so that we can share any information. we are more prepared than we've ever been. and we will continue to prepare, not just for this election but through every election to come in the future. >>chris: secretary kirstjen nielsen, thank you for joining us today. >> my pleasure, thank you. >>chris: up next, who and what is responsible for the deepening political divide in our country? we will bring in our sunday
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different views about who's to blame about the political divide received these days. time now for our sunday glue. congressman jason chaffetz, mo elleithee of the institute of politics and public service. liz marlantes, politics editor of the christian science monitor and jason riley. president trump is not responsible for bombs being sent to prominent democrats. the person who created the devices and put them in the mail, allegedly cesar sayoc is responsible. does the president bear any responsibility for the growing ugly political rancor in this country? >> i'm sure the democrats would argue that but president probably get too much credit and too much blame for what's happening in that rancor. i think the american people, we need a vigorous debate. that is what we do in this country. political dissent is the american way.
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but there's a point where it crosses the line and becomes too personal when you're in the face of somebody was getting dinner. someone like sarah sanders. i certainly the shooting and violence. there's no place in the american discourse. i thought president trump was pitch perfect and the call from chuck schumer and nancy pelosi should have matched with the president did but unfortunately, did not. >>chris: i want to hold up again the front page of the "washington post" because i've got to say, i was really shocked by you. i expected it to say suspect arrested. instead it said bomb suspect, outspoken supporter of trump. that's the headline. i went back and looked at the post from last year after bernie sanders supporter attacked and severely wounded steve scalise. no outspoken headline there. is it fair to draw that linkag
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, front page. suspect, outspoken supporter of donald trump. >> i probably would have written a different headline. having said that, when i do not think, is it's a stretch to argue that i do not think it's a stretch that the president's comments are helping to stir the pot even further. i agree with the congressman. the presidents get too much credit and i agree there are people who overstep the line. i was outspoken when people interrupted sarah sanders dinner or secretary nielsen's dinner. i thought that was inappropriate. but when the president of the united states is actually questioning peoples patriotism and calling them enemies of the people. when, you know, is a saying pitch perfect words in the wake of a tragedy but then goes into a rally and continues to divide and blame people. i think that is worst
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examination and exploration. i think we can all do a better job in our own lives at being more civil and being vigorous dissenters and arguing with one another, politically. but checking how we do it. i would hope the president would take some of this to heart as well. >>chris: jason, when congressman jason chaffetz said he was pitch perfect. my thought was, which president. there was teleprompter trumps. let's take a look. >> we must never allow lyrical violence to take root in america.- - political violence.i'm committed to doing everything in my power as president to stop it and to stop it now. >>chris: but to then, there was a twitter trumps. here he is at 3:14 a.m. friday one funny how lowly rated cnn and others can criticize me and
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will, even blaming me for the current spate of bombs. yet when i criticize them, they go wild and scream but it's just not presidential. do you think it's fair to say there are two very different residential tones here? >> absolutely. after two years of president trump, this is something people have come to expect. i do want to say, referring to the headline in the newspaper. if you want to know why trump won't give up twitter and social media, that is why. that headline is why. he does not trust the mainstream media to treat them fairly. and he is going to continue to use social media so long as is the mainstream media treats them in that fashion. and his supporters will appreciate his use of social media. that is exhibit a right there. i think the country would like public officials to exercise some restraint. to not jump the gun. when we see these tragedies happen. they'd like hillary clinton to
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do it. ever colder to do and president trump and president obama as would be nice if they did behave that way. the motives seem to vary when these incidents happen. you mentioned the softball practice shooter. the guy who set up the annapolis newspaper had a different motive. they vary. and i think we are trying to shoehorn a political agenda into these actions, it's wrong. what weshould be doing is bringing these people to justice and hopefully deterring future tracks . >>chris: so you think the president's rhetoric is separate and apart. i am in no way, i've got an invite on this network about this. i'm no way saying the president is responsible put do you think it's possible that it's useful to say, these events happened in a particular climate? >> i don't think that's useful at all. anymore than bernie sanders was responsible for the softball practice shooter. i don't think that's the proper way to look at these situations. these events happen to cousin
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these people are deranged. the person who shot gabby giffords for instance. these are deranged people. that is what we need to look at. i don't think attaching politics is helpful at all. in one case we hada trumpet supporter and the other case where the trump opponent . so, no. >>chris: lives. >> what we have seen is an increase in incidents of dangerous and radical disturbed individuals online. the same tactics isis uses to recruit, we are seeing that here with dangerous homegrown extremists and these events are on the rise. that something you can talk about the tone at the top of the general political discourse but there's something ugly going on on the internet i think that is what we need to pay more attention to. >> you talked about the media.
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there are hosts on cable news were giving home to right-wing conspiracy theorists and allowing them to move forward with these, unchecked. >> there's nobody out there out ofthe there advocating violence. >> and that's different. >> but you're trying to subscribe it to death. >> i'm talking about the tone of politics. >> no party corners the market on crazy. >> of this exchange is a reflection of the challenge right now. i'm making a point about the challenge of our lyrical discourse and the lack of civility and the fact that the extremes are rising and finding more homes to articulate their vision. that is worth challenging. i don't think you can point to a specific television show.
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it is online, it's on cable news, it's in a variety of places. i would hope that everyone, whether they are television holes or elected officials, whether to me in my job in academia that we all do a better job of checking it. >>chris: liz, final thought. >> - - not adding to the climate of toxicity we've seen. i was struck by that package that clip by nikki haley. yet such strong words in the wake of what happened to her stay. i think a big opening for a politician who wants to be a healer. >>chris: the one thing you could say, nine days before an election but everything has to do with politics.we will take a breakand see you later. up next , with just over a week to the november midterms, who's got the advantage? we will talk with the chairs of therepublican and house campaign committees , when we campaign committees , when we i never knew there was a different solution to my constipation until my doctor recommended miralax. stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate the nerves in your colon.
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>>chris: just nine days from now, voters will go to the polls to decide which party controls congress. on the house side, democrats need to flip at least 23 seats but battlegrounds may remain tight. from ohio, congressman steve stivers, head of the congressional committee. we often talk about an october surprise in the closing days of a campaign. i wonder whether the terrible october surprise this year is the outburst of violence this last week. congressman, ben ray lujan, will democrats make this an issue. the outbreak of violence and tie it to president trump?
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>> first off, thanks for having me. no one should be politicizing what happened this week.the senseless acts we see in pittsburgh, the number of people killed while they were at a place of worship is a clear reason why congress must act to keep people safe. number one. also with the number of people threatened as a result of those bombs emailed across america. we should come together as a country. this should not be a political response but rather a response and how we can bring us further together. >>chris: congressman steve stivers, ken president trump, clearly not be held responsible for the specific acts of violence but for a culture, a discourse that contributes to it? >> i agree with ben that we should not be politicizing these acts of violence. as your panel said earlier. hate has no ideology. if you look at the baseball shooting last year. that happened to be bernie sanders supporter.
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we need to come together. ben is not my enemy. democrats are not my enemy, they are my opponents. while we have different visions for the future of america. different directions for america, we are all americans first. we need to come together and do what's in the best interest of america. no matter who wins in 10 days, i believe we can come together and make that happen. >>chris: let's turn to some nuts and bolts, starting with the clear politics. average of recent polls. on the generic ballot question, which party do you support in your congressional district. democrats still lead republicans 49.5 241.9 percent. does that mean there still is a blue wave and that democrats will regain control of the house? >> while people have described this in different ways, i'm confident the democrats will
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win back the house.we built our strategy around our candidates. incredible men and women with records of service.many who served in the u.s. military. a former cia and if the eye agents who committed their lives to keeping our country safe. they are connecting talking about personal stories. i never said this would be easy but we made a commitment to leave no stone unturned and that's why i'm confident we will when the majority in nine short days. >>chris: the fact is history at least is against you since world war ii, the president's party has lost an average of 28 house seats in the midterm after that new president is elected. when the president's job approval is what it is now, his party loses an average of 37 seats. if democrats take 23 seats, they take the majority.
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what makes you think history will repeat itself in this midterm? >> we divide history already - - defied history already. we've won eight out of nine special elections. we actually have an economy where we have four percent economic growth.unemployment at 3.7 percent. the highest consumer confidence we've ever had and we've lifted up all subgroups including record low unemployment among african-americans and 18-25-year-olds. i think people will reward us for what we've done. we have more work to do. and we have great candidates. we have folks who are incumbent members of congress. folks were police officers, military folks. folks were committed to moving our country forward. working together to make a difference. i think we will be able to hold the majority and i feel like momentum is on our side in this last week. >>chris: congressman ben ray
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lujan, the fact is by all objective standards.the economy is strong, unemployment is down and growth is up. usually the economy is the key issue. how do you beat that? >> all across america, hard-working middle-class families are still telling us their wages and salaries are not keeping up with the cost of living. my republican colleagues do not have a votingrecord to run on t pirate prioritize hard-working families. the data, what you put on the board. data and momentum is on our side. the energy is clear. early voting is up across america and as long as people continue to turn up and go. we will do well. the other thing is we are making sure the american people know the voting record of our republican colleagues when it comes to healthcare. voting to take away protections for people with pre-existing conditionsand moving the agenda forward that with flap and age tax between the the ages of 50-64. raising premiums and deductibles.
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that's what we are running on an agenda anchored around for the people and our candidates. >>chris: we have been talking this hour about the tone. the ugly tone our politics have taken. i want to play some ads that both of your campaign committees, the two chairs have run again some of your opponents. here is one that the nrc see ran against elise - - in michigan. >> i just don't know why there aren't uprisings. >> this quote unquote mob. >> liberal extremists tearing america apart. - - is one of them. >>chris: congressman - - served three terms working for the cia in iraq and then worked in the administrations of both president obama and bush. is it constructive to call her of all people a liberal
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extremists? >> i respect her service to our country and in the administrations. but people's views on issues are legitimate. there are contrast we need to run so we understand what folks believe. i think it's fair to say she is not in the mainstream of michigan politics. >>chris: here is an ad that your group, your sharing. ran against republican congressman mike kelly in pennsylvania. >> 2010, car dealer mike kelly is elected to congress. while there, his net worth increased by millions. it's no surprise he helped give special tax breaks to car dealers like himself. >>chris: congressman, the specific review site, the center for responsive politics is in fact, his net worth has dropped dramatically during the time in office but it hasn't
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present. >> when we see our republican colleagues voting for a tax package dubbed by the american people as a tax scam that was prioritizing corporations and the most wealthy americans over middle-class families. we will call them out on their record. >>chris: but to serve, that his record. i'm talking about his net worth and that the fact. >> to the point of your question, i think that all committees and spenders out there investing in campaign ads across the country. they need to be respectful of that tone. i would agree with steve when were looking at voting records, were looking at their game as well. and we need to make sure we're having a betterconversation with the american people , whether it's the last nine days or going into the next election as well. >>chris: i want you to share 30 seconds each. he talked about the economy, healthcare, immigration point but to what degree is this
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election really about donald trump either pro or against? congressman ben ray lujan, you go first. >> i think all across the country, candidates are not talking about this president much. there's no one going to talk more about donald trump than donald trump which gives our candidates the opportunity to connect with their personal stories and talk about an agenda that's built around, for the people and how we will lower prescription drug prices but healthcare cause. move a strong infrastructure package and clean up washington d.c. with all of the - - [indiscernible] >>chris: you have 30 seconds. >> this election is about results. versus dysfunction. eye ready talked about our economic success. we have more to do on him for structure. lowering health care costs. the dysfunction the other side would bring her health care agenda would kick 179 million
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people off their insurance and bankrupt medicare on they wanted they have an agenda that outside the mainstream. they want to abolish ice. when there's a caravan of people coming. >>chris: i knew we wouldn't settle things but we appreciate both of you coming on. chairman ben ray lujan and steve stivers. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >>chris: which issue will have the most traction in the midterms? healthcare, immigration or healthcare, immigration or pres if you're waiting patiently for a liver transplant, it could cost you your life. it's time to get out of line with upmc. at upmc, living-donor transplants put you first. so you don't die waiting. upmc does more living-donor liver transplants
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>> if republicans keep congress, you better believe they're coming after healthcare again. and millions of people across the country who count on this are not going tohave it . >>chris: president trump and president obama making their closing arguments to voters on the campaign trail. we are back with the panel. liz, with nine days until the midterms, how do you see the races for the house and the senate? >> it's anybody's guess. we don't know what's going to happen. early voting has been interesting to watch. turnout has been high the board. several states have surpassed their 2014 early voting numbers. >>chris: 8 million people have voted early. >> it's possible states will surpass total voting numbers just in early voting according to some experts. that's a sign that there's a lot of interest. the question is, who will they turn out? is this the year democrats really mobilize young people,
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minorities, and their coalition? >> we need to point out that midterms often times as opposed to a presidential election turnout as low, all seems it could rival a presidential election. >> michael mcdonald touson early voting expert, says it's possible we will see the highest turnout since 2014, based on what he's seen so far. >>chris: i was not around in 1914 but i hear it was a heckuva turnout. less talk these days about a blue wave. particularly in the senate words conventional wisdom for what it's worth, that republicans will hold on to the senate majority. aren't there in the house a lot more ways when you look at the man for democrats to get to a two-way team majority? >> i would agree with that but i was in the house and 2010 when there was a red wave and
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democrats lost 63 season there's no evidence anything like that's going to happen to keeping the senate, maybe even gaining in the senate. in the house it will be nipping talk. it will be close.a lot of local issues like water in california will play a key role in what's happening in those races. but i think the week after this election. neither of the presumptive leaders - - >>chris: we have to wait. let me talk about issues because there seem to be several big ones out there. economy, immigration and concerns about the economy. the caravan. and president trump. let me start with you mo, which of those issues do you think has the most traction with voters? >> i think were living in a
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populist era and people are feeling that institutions are ignoring them. which is really interesting, if you look at democratic ads across the country, they're focusing on healthcare and losing protections for pre-existing conditions. it might be one of the most populist issues democrats have had in a long time. democrats are trying to find an alternative by talking about healthcare and i think it's helping them . >>chris: jason? >> i think the issues that play to the president's strengths are one, the economy. after eight years of being told to present was the new normal but all the experts, we could be on track to four percent growth. it's within reach. so that will certainly play because the republicans in the latest wall street journal nbc news poll has a 15 percent
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advantage on which party does a better job in the economy. i also think immigration plays to the presidents strength. i don't know why the democrats think this works for them. it plays to this lawlessness that president trump has labeled them with. it plays into the abolish ice. sanctuary cities. i think this is something that works better for the president than it does for democrats. >>chris: let me interrupt for a minute. we have a democrat here.what about immigration and the caravan? >> i think there are two couplings of emotions that drive voters in any election point hope and optimism or fear and anger. this is clearly for your and anger. i think what's been motivating both sides in this election from day one is anger. democrats have been anger since november 2016. that has worked very well for them throughout 2017 and it's
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gone tothem to where they are now. for the republicans there was a bit of complacency and between brett kavanaugh and the caravan we see intensity and anger on the right begin to bubble up. the president been effective and stirring that pot and trying to keep them as angry as possible. so which will win out? >> i think to the congressman's point, local issues play a big role in midterms. when it does come to national issues, yes, the brett kavanaugh hearings and the caravan have helped republicans close that enthusiasm gap. what i think with the caravan issue, this is a massive humanity heading toward the border. this is not spontaneous or organic. these people rounded up by activists and immigrant advocates.told what to say to reporters being and people at the border. president trump is not only right to do something about this but it's a duty. i'm very pro-immigrant but i
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believe in a solvent cement board and doing things the right way and this is not the right way to seek asylum to america. >> i think immigrants have been using immigration to their advantage for much of the past year when the president and his family submission policy was at center stage. i think democrats were able to harness that energy and have been sang during this caravan crisis, that we need to address this issue at the source in the president's failure to do that has helped add to this. when push comes to shove when you look at these districts, the most competitive and the pentucket people are talking about people losing existing conditions. which is more of a motivator for the driver? if her talking about the politics of this moment, i think pre-existing conditions. >>chris: jason chaffetz, what
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surprises me is, the economy is going so well. we've got about 30 seconds. he thinks and - - are likely to vote in anger than ingratitude? >> i think the idea that nancy pelosi and chuck schumer would have the gavels and maxinewater with would be the chairman of - - mainstream media doesn't talk about the good news of the trump economy. people feel it in their pocketbooks and it helps republicans going into this election. >>chris: we've got a little more time and then after that, the election and then the election of the speaker. always, business is good these days but thank you panel point what does help for heart failure look like?
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upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines and if you're pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. >> at the end of an ugly week of political violence, it's reassuring to know most of the campaigning followed familiar lines with tough rhetoric and funny moments. and president trump usually at center stage. here's a look at the action on the trail. >> is not lying ted anymore. he's beautiful ted.
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>> and god bless president donald trump collects under republican leadership, america is booming driving and winning because we are putting america first. >> when you hear talk of economic miracles right now, remember started it! [applause] >> are using it don't support donald trump? >> i'm saying i'm committed to the delivery of - - >> do you support donald trump? >> you that i have because i think the policies he's pursuing are good for the state. >> the leader of the most amazing nation in the world thinks it's okay to lie all the time. he doesn't need to do that yeah, i have to say. i don't like that he lies all the time collects no president has ever led by fear. not lincoln not roosevelt, kennedy or reagan.
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this president is more like george wallace than george washington in the. >> the blue wave is being dissipated a little bit. collects are you ready to slip to blue? >> i'm not calling dissenters a waste as i'm simply saying the races believe he's a racist. i will not sit here and take nonsense from a guy like andrew gillum who always plays the victim. who's going out and attacking and aligning himself with groups that attack men and women in law enforcement. >> get the hell off and take back the country! >> early voting is now underway so if anyone wants to leave, we will save your place. you can come right back. >> i like to kielbasa but i do like italian sausage. i'm true to my italian
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heritage. >>chris: after this dramatic week we can only hope for more civil disagreement. even about sausages in the final nine days of the campaign. and that's it for today. have a great week and we'll see you next "fox news sunday". welcome to vaccination first look --dash fox nation


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