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si. big difference when it comes to judges and confirmation. we'll watch that closely. also tomorrow an exclusive interview with the homeland secretary and exactly what's happened at border. lindsey graham will join us. that's all the time we have left. let not your heart be troubled. there she is. >> laura: 10:00. you hit it at 10:05:06. >> sean: excuse me. i didn't take a second of your time. >> laura: i didn't talk to you. did you already make turkey soup with the deep fried turkey that you made? >> sean: do you want to know the truth? there bunt any left to make any turkey soup. it is the juiciest, moistest, most delicious. it is a butterball turkey
fryer. go to home depot and make another product to compare it. >> laura: send me one at this point. >> sean: ingraham, you know what i'm going to do? i'm going to mail you. text me your address. i have no idea where you live. i will have it sent to your house tomorrow. >> laura: you have to come and cook the turkey. >> sean: what do you mean? i have to come and cook the turkey? i'll send you explicit instructions. 15 pound turkey, 45 minutes, done. >> laura: we're doing -- forget fox nation. we're doing the cooking. all right. hannity, great sew. i'm laura ingraham this is "ingraham angle." a lot to join us in just a molt. first let's get into the big
news of the day, how to heal a lame duck. yes, that's the focus of tonight's angle. if you have any news about the border crisis in the last 24 hours, you have been subjected to a disgusting and blatant attempt at emotional manipulation. at the time we need something called real reporting, instead we get this. >> look at the photo. that group includes men, women, and several children, several of them trying to cross after being denied access where they could legally claim asylum. one photo shows a mother struggling to pick up her children and flea the fumes. >> this shows the family running from the fumes. >> laura: that's it. it's the one photo. on sunday in a brazen act of lawlessness, migrants tempted to
cross the border. border patrol had two choices. let them over run the u.s. border like what they did in mexico, or use non-lethal tear gas. these are the only images. women and children who appear to be running for their lives. the hyperbole was the full tilt market. >> this was a shameful american moment. those chin and toes pictures are the pictures that we saw at the end of the vietnam war. >> laura: now no one wants to see children in distress. but that comment was an embarrassment. remember, donald trump didn't create the crisis. his foremost responsibility is safeguarding the nation, which is what he's doing. reports who are lazy or agenda driven are using their own toxic
agents to blur the eyes of the public on this critical issue. now this is what really happened on sunday. >> the way these people rush the border was absolutely monstrous. they pushed women and children up front and behind those women and children they started throwing rocks, cement bricks, they started throwing bottles at the border control agents. >> laura: just a bunch of modern-day patriots. did the mothers and children make up the bulk of those arrested? no. here's the san diego border chief, rodney scott. >> we ended up making 42 arrests. only eight of those were family. the vast majority of people we're dealing with are adult males, similar to what we saw the first wave that came up about a week or so again. >> laura: in knowal 69 arrested and the crisis continue to escalate which the angle repeatedly warned you would happen.
a new migrant caravan from central america, the second in sixth month, is headed up through mexico to the united states. they are feeding the narrative that anyone opposed to welcoming them into our country are cruel, horrible, awful, rotten people. their caravans, it's got to stop. i mean it is just untendable. it is unsustainable. the people in the country want orderly immigration. of course the atom splitters at the other network claimed it was no big deal. >> there's no invasion. there's no emergency. >> they are panicked about this fake invasion. >> for everybody out there telling me it is a real story. we're worried about the caravan and trump is strong enough can be i go back to what i said about mash martians in my
backyard. >> laura: it is not just the know nothings that need to be exposed. we're making a list and checking it twice. others have been very naughty as well. one of the prime drivers are groups such as the pube -- they even put out a press release. this is last march. it reads like some kind of perimeter for the borderless world. this is the favorite line. we demand, of mexico and the united states, that they open the border to the u.s. we are as much citizens of the people of the countries where we are and/or travel. they are not american citizens. this is a classic citizens of the world claptrap that's been funded who wants transmigration to be a universal right.
number two on the naughty list, activist judges. acting like a superlegislation, district court judges continue to frustrate the president's every initiative when it comes to immigration enforcement. just last week the president was hit with two devastating rules. in the first case a judge barred the president from limiting a filing claim to those who enter the country legally. ten in michigan, a judge ordered the release of nearly 100 iraqis who were incarcerated under the trump travel ban. all of this explains why the president is running very short on patience. >> it is a shape. it is a shame. it is a disgrace frankly. some judge sitting in some location were far away is telling our incredible military and law enforcement what to do ands not right. it's been going on like that for
a long time. >> laura: the nationwide adjunction has to be stopped. certain judges have completely abandoned the article iii limits and are totally out of control. but congress, perhaps more than all of the other culprits on the naughty list, deserve the most of the blame here. both parties could have solved the nightmare had they acted to shore up the asylum loopholes while obama was president. democrats should struck a deal with trump while the iron was hot. republicans were willing to grant a pathway to citizen for nearly two million illegals. they will do this for a limit on chain migration and visa lottery and, of course, the funding for his border wall. trump was excited about the prospect of the deal. >> i will consider that a great achievement to solve the daca problem. it's been out there for a long
time. these are people. these are people that should be able to stay if the country. >> laura: it didn't matter. schumer rejected this out of hand. it was more important in the end for the democrats to deny trump a win on immigration than it was for the democrats to agree to protect our country. and even avoid the type of crisis that we see on the border now. now at the same time many weak-kneed republicans, many of whom are captive to agribusiness were unwilling to go to bat for the trump's agenda. with 12 legislative days left until they lose power in the house and only 15 in the senate, republicans must unite and make passing trump's immigration agenda a priority, working through christmas and shutting down the government, yes, if that's necessary. this is a crisis that must be addressed immediately. we know that once nancy has the
gavel back, the democrats answer to scenes like this will be to simply allow the situation to worsen, encouraging thousands more to storm our borders and put women and children at risk. the republicans meanwhile have a chance to make the short session of congress a lot less lame by addressing the most immediate problem facing our country today. but i'm telling you if the republicans duck it once again, they shouldn't expect to be back in charge any time soon. and that's the angle. joining me now with reaction is house majority whip, steve scalise, along with tom lohman, former acting member of i.c.e., and let's start with you. the house has 12 days left. was i too harsh in my angle? >> i think you laid out the landscape really well. clearly this goes back to barack
obama presidency when he created the daca problem without trying to solve it. come to america illegally, bring your kids, he never tried to fix it. they had a house and superrer majority in the senate. they never tried to bring a bill to fix the problem. they wanted a political issue. as you pointed out again, president trump comes into office. chuck schumer was willing to work with him on a solution for daca that included funding from the wall. then the radical left went nuts. schumer pulled the deal off of the table. we tried to pass bills through the house and solve the interior problem that you've sited. not one different democrat, we had two approaches on that. you could have solved the problem. >> laura: you could just shut down the government. >> we have the homeland security budget expires at the end of november. this is going to be one more battle that we're going to
have. it is going to happen in the next few weeks. >> laura: one of the other shows last night or yesterday. republican senate from iowa was basically saying we can't shut down the government for the wall. we can't just -- these are the republicans that we're dealing with here. steve scalise has done yeoman's work with everything that he's been through. there are not many who will. you've seen this. you and i sat here at the table, tom, and you said to me, watch what happens. it is going to get worse. we have 5,000 people crossing the border illegally separate from the caravan. >> unfortunately everything i said is coming true. we had some great republican congressman take the bull by the horns. and a lot of republicans -- some of the republicans didn't support it. of course, no democrats did. but that fixed the problem and the fixed the loopholes and gave some relief.
perfect bill. i said it many times, i don't care if you are republican or democrat, there's no downside on securing the border. none. >> laura: paul ryan is on his way out. i like him personally. he's never wanted to fund the wall. i'm going to say it again. paul ryan never wanted to fund the wall. he didn't want to deal with the problem. he was never comfortable with the president's immigration agenda. i think that looking back -- looking back -- that ended up hurting the republicans. if you don't have someone at the helm who is championing what the president wants to do. >> we were able to get $1.5 billion for the funding. the president asked for $5 billion. i would like to see us get there. we've had a number of bills to solve that problem. let me make this point for the end-of-the-year funding. when people talk about a shutdown, they try to use it in a term to try to scare people.
over 70% of the united states government is fully funded until the end of next year's fiscal year, including the department of defense. which is important. in the past you saw obama use our troops as hostages. the troops won't get paid unless you give me x, y, or z. we have fully funded the department of defense. now all we're talking about is an important part of government. but it is less than 30%, including the department of homeland security. that's where the wall funding comes in. there will be no widespread government shutdown. it is all about funding the department of homeland security and funding the wall. >> in addition to wall funding, i.c.e. needs funding. if i.c.e. can't detain people and it is catch and release, more of the caravans are going to come. why would they stop? >> laura: rodney scott, i know you know him. i've interviewed him including town at the border in san diego. he said what we're seeing contrary to what all of the
bleeding heart media types, most of whom would not sponsor illegal immigrants if they had to guarantee their economic independence, they would never do it. rodney scott knows this sector better than anyone. he said this. >> what i saw on the border yesterday was not people walking up to the border patrol agents and asking to claim asylum. they were champion and throwing rocks at the flag. if they were asylum seeker's, they would have walked up with their hands in the air. that did not take place. >> you send the tier gas out. they didn't send out women and children. the wind drifts. that happened. however i wanted to shout out to nbc. they had a great story. they interviewed the woman and she said she was coming in the country to join her husband ill
heelly in louisiana. exactly what i said. people are coming to get a job or rejoin loved ones. >> laura: it is a big lie. what they are trying to illustrate for people is we need real reporters who put aside whether they don't like trump, like trump, and they say this is how we got here. the real persecution is happening all over the world. like a woman in pakistan. >> president trump was very clear if saying there's a legal way to come to america to seek asylum, and there's an illegal way. we're hot going to let you storm the border and chime a fence. go to the port and make your case. >> even the tijuana mayor said they are getting overridden with people coming to attack law enforcement officers.
>> how many laws do they make before they come to the border? >> when they enter the country illegally, the first crime is a misdemeanor. a lot of the people haven't entered before. one thing about the tear gas, you need to get it out. put on a uniform, strap a gun to your hand, get rocks thrown at you. there's not a proper response to being assaulted. >> laura: how do you disburse the crowd? rihanna is upset. she doesn't have security at her concert. anyone that wants to go on stage with rihanna can and get a hot meal after her house afterwards. i don't think so. the media hand ringing is getting worse by the day. there's one exchange in particular that stood out.
>> i want to challenge you on one of the statements that you made on the tail end of the campaign in the mid tells that the caravan was an invasion. >> i consider to be an invasion. >> it was not an invasion. it is a group of migrants moving up from central america wards the bodder with the united states. your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls. >> that's true. they weren't active. >> they are hundreds of miles away. that's not an invasion. >> laura: none of these are points that are working in the business. dereliction of duty. joining me how the media missed the story from the start is molly. what are the chances that jim acosta apologized and not only getting it wrong but telling the president he was wrong. >> it looked bad at the time. the way he was giving his opinion which was not based in
fact the way he was belligerent with the reporter. that was an embarrassment at the time. after this weekend it is a complete and utter humiliation. this is the guy who is a mascot of the white house press corps that decided to make him the guy they all rally behind. he couldn't have been more wrong about the fact. he's doing what a lot of media has done. there's been so many false things about the caravan, whether it is largely women and children and these are valid asylum seekers or there's no criminal element, or they will never make it to the border, or there's no threats to sovereignty and to the united states. all of that was completely exploded this weekend. and it would be nice to see the media react more honestly about that. instead they are doing what you pointed out in the first segment, which is taking a picture of one woman and her children. >> laura: i saw that coming a mile away. once they got the photo of the woman wearing the cartoon
shirt. that was a lazy man's story. try to be honest. i got to play something for you molly. this is mike who is good at writing about sports. he's now a political guy. this is what he said. let's watch. i think we have the microphone off. do we have it? it's coming. i keep asking when is the first person from the caravan going to shoot up a dance club or music festival in las vegas. every time there's another mass shooting in the country one of my first reactions after i'm struck by the horror of the routineness is please don't let
it be an immigrant. >> human nature is across the immigrant and non-immigrant populations. they are saying you weren't allowed to have a conversation about rule of law. >> laura: thank you. we have a lot more to get to. the story is breaking as we speak tonight. stay with us. >> this country is in need of gun control. >> neither of you know as much as gun violence as you think you do. >> you know what's really far out? drug cartels have infiltrated the avocado trade.
>> [shouting] >> laura: as we noted in tonight's angle, the left in the media often use this emotional imagery to tell you just one side of the story from the border. what really happened when agents dispersed gas canisters into crowds of migrants trying to break through the southern border? for more, here's a report from jeff paul in tijuana, mexico. >> the scene outside the main migrant shelter is overwhelming. you have people walking in all sorts of different directions. thousands still living inside, others moving to the outside where they were living in tents. despite the crowds you're seeing, things are relatively peaceful compared to what just happened the day before. u.s. customs and border protection reporting that rocks were thrown at least four
agents. no injuries but as a result, teargas and pepper spray balls were used to get the crowd to disperse. there were also several arrests and others looking for cover. >> translator: we went to that side and they started throwing teargas at us. there were many children who fainted. many young children fainted. my daughter also got gas. pregnant women and there are many men. >> there were arrests on both sides of the border in tijuana and in the united states. 79 people arrested in the united states were trying to cross the border illegally. despite that showing of forests from authorities on both sides of the border, many of the migrants here remain hopeful that one day they will somehow still be able to gain access to the u.s. laura. >> laura: all right, jeff, thanks. what about the agents involved? is anyone telling their stories? imagine if a mass of humanity charge at you. wanting to enter your home. maybe come live with you for a while. throwing rocks and waving other countries flag.
well, while the agents themselves aren't able to speak out of the moment, they are allowed to talk with their representatives, and one joins us now to share what he has learned. hector garcia is a national border patrol council president and is with us tonight from san antonio. hector, what are the people on your team telling you on the ground? you just saw a report about what happened, another very emotional woman who says they started throwing teargas canisters at us. that's not actually what happened but that's what she said. what did they encounter? >> agents were under attack. they were assaulted. these migrants were throwing rocks. they were throwing glass bottles. they were also throwing other debris in the area, and it's a matter fact, some agents were hit on their helmets with these rocks. minor injuries. there was also damage to vehicles and windows were broken. this was an assault. this was an invasion on our agents, on our country.
our agents had to respond with a very low level of force, which is the teargas that was deployed. >> laura: now, we had heard from everyone from mexican government officials to guatemalan officials who set from the beginning that the use of women and children at the front of the lines, whether they are crossing the bridge into mexico from guatemala or breaking the border into guatema from honduras. that this was done very deliberately with careful planning. unfortunately the children had fs casualties, the ones who aren't traffic and up as casualties. or injured or traumatized. but they want to blame hector, president trump because i guess the border should just be open and people should be able to come in 100 of time and fill out a form and say i want asylum. >> these people think they're going to do the same things they did on the guatemala-mexico
border, they are wrong. our agents are properly trained. they are going to be using reasonable force. something that they are reporting to us these migrants were using these children as human shields and they were launching roxette agents. they had no regard for human life. they didn't care about the other migrants are the kids. our agents to date great job by using the teargas by using it to disperse the crowd. they were justified to use a higher level of force but they did not. they use a low level of force and they were successful. they did a great job. >> laura: hector, what if the numbers increase? what if they swell? >> we are going to have to keep using the same strategy. the good thing is we have the military and that's what president trump did for us. we are going to have to deploy more resources to the area. but it is going to get out of control and that's why congress needs to act we need to make sure we do build that wall so that we can avoid these type of confrontations because people will end up getting hurt.
again, our agents are properly trained and they're going to do the best job that they cannot there. but again, these caravans, they need to stop. we need to do our job and also mexico needs to do their job. >> laura: they should never have been trucked to the border. many were trucked up. they should never been allowed to cross new mexico. is a series of things it had to happen for this situation to resolve in the crisis that it is today. hector, thank you very much. please think the border patrol for us. they are doing incredible work under very difficult circumstances being maligned by everyone from hollywood actors and actresses who themselves -- how many immigrants with a sponsor in their homes if they had to? and politicians and business types. we really think you so much. by the way, those crashing our southern border of course are referred to in blanket terms like they are migrants seeking a better life. they are asylum-seekers. they are would be refugees. but they wouldn't be criminals, right? no. joining us now to explain his
former immigration judge art arthur, currently at the center for immigration studies. you have dealt with this issue. we have been talking about this now for months. i'm sad to say we predicted this because it would have been great if this never happened because people's lives are put in jeopardy. our sovereignty is imperiled. now we have the vilification of president trump because the situation became, you know, the boiling pot that it is right now. >> you see a variety of crimes from these individuals that they have committed. entering the united states illegally is a violation. it's a misdemeanor, as mr. tom homan indicated. some of these individuals have entered the united states previously. that's a felony. assault on a federal officer is a crime. it's a felony in and of itself sewing see a number of these individuals committing crimes, in addition secretary of homeland security homeland security kirstjen nielsen indicated there are 500 criminals and gang members that are included in this group of
individuals. quite frankly, i think that number is probably low because the numbers we have, it's only as good as the intelligence. >> laura: my other border patrol sources are telling me that 5,000 illegal immigrants a week, the whole caravan down there week, are crossing other sectors. as everyone is focused on this, 5,000 coming in through yuma, through laredo, the rio grande. being swamped. >> the rdg is completely overrun. >> laura: what is that? >> rio grande valley. >> laura: i am quick. thank you. >> it's completely overrun. these individuals have gone to tijuana probably because it's the ninth circuit and they have the best chance of getting released there. the fact is we see a huge of migrants at other locations. those sectors are also overrun by individuals. the first act they commit is criminal. >> laura: they have committed many crimes along the way.
other countries sovereignty is, sometimes assault on other countries border patrols. this is what allison camerata who have always liked witches on another network, this is her argument about the current crisis now and why what we are seeing is a sign that everything's working and we don't need a wall. let's watch. >> shutting down the border worked and it also proves that we don't need i think a border wall because the migrants made -- went out of their way to go to tijuana because the rest of the border was considered too hazardous, too dangerous so they went and extra hundreds of miles to the port of entry of tijuana because they considered that the easiest. in other words, the system is actually working. >> laura: did some reporter -- was there a reporter and a control room whispering "sadist"? she can't actually believe that. >> the reason why the rest of the border is so dangerous is because it is so controlled by the drug cartels. they are getting their funding
from exactly the same smugglers who are smuggling these individuals to the united states. we are supporting the drug cartels by allowing these individuals -- >> laura: we said that the other sectors were being overwhelmed as we speak right now every day of the week. i have to play one more thing. tearjerker moments. rick wilson another network tonight. >> this is not just the terrible threat of a shoeless girl wearing a hello kitty backpack at the border. oh, my god. without the teargas. it's done deliberately and methodically and cruelly. >> laura: so trump is doing this cruelly, focusing on the little girl with the hello kitty backpack. >> border control agents are getting rocked along the border. i was in a vehicle that was hit by cinder block i can tell you right now it's the sort of thing that you really want to have a strong response to. we need to have a strong response with can make sure agents are safe. a speech would you agree with me
that congress has to act? >> i have been saying that for more than a year. >> laura: if they don't do that, were going to have more of this. all right, art. thank you so much. what is going on with the mueller investigation? we haven't been talking about that in a few weeks. significant development involving rejected plea deal earlier today may tell us a lot. the hard work you put into lowering your very high triglycerides with diet and exercise deserves the hard work that went into the science behind vascepa. prescription vascepa. vascepa, along with diet and exercise, has proven results in multiple clinical trials. vascepa looks different because it is different. over a decade of extensive research and development achieved proven results. that's the prescription power of vascepa. vascepa is not right for everyone. do not take vascepa if you are allergic to icosapent ethyl or any inactive ingredient in vascepa. tell your doctor if you are allergic to fish, have liver problems or other medical conditions and about any medications you take,
>> laura: big developments in the miller investigation tonight, including a plea deal gone awry and another that may have been violated. for details, we are joined by fox news' trace gallagher. what would we do without a trac trace? has anyone ever used that before? >> nobody has. i don't know what you do. breaking tonight we should note special counsel robert mueller's team estimated new court filings coming forward from campaign chair paul manafort violated his plea agreement by lying to prosecutors and the fbi. now, the special counsel didn't say what he lied about, only that he did so on a "variety of
subject matters." that a fort denies he lied. he was convicted in august on eight counts of bank and tax fraud. in september he agreed to cooperate with mueller to avoid as second trial and for a possible reduced prison sentence. the government wants manafort sentenced immediately. ekstrom campaign advisor george papadopoulos reported to a meeting medium security prison in wisconsin to begin serving hr lying to the fbi about his interactions with russian contacts. papadopoulos claims in april of 2016, he was in the u.k. and was told by a professor with ties to russia that the russians had obtained thousands of hillary clinton emails. remember, this was months before hacked emails from clinton campaign chair john podesta were posted on wikileaks. that in august of 2016, papadopoulos told an australian diplomat the russians had derogatory information on hillary clinton. the diplomat reportedly pass that info onto western
intelligence. papadopoulos now believes he was set up and is willing to testify before the senate intel committee. and now, jerome corsi, an associate of trump confidant roger stone, says he is rejecting a plea deal from robert mueller's team. the special cause reportedly has evidence showing two months before john podesta does hacked emails went public, jerome corsi knew wikileaks had them. the rulers team is examining whether jerome corsi pass that information roger stone but corsi says he did not have inside information from wikilea. instead he "connected the dots, dots,'s" saying that two months before the podesta emails went public, he deducted the julian assange had them. mueller's investigators are apparently not buying it. >> laura: thanks so much for joining us media sol wisenberg, former deputy independent counsel in the whitewater lewinsky investigation. we haven't seen you for a while, so excited to have you want.
why are you not hear? you are there. what does this tell you that mueller is focusing so much of his effort now on someone like jerome corsi. he is in his 70s. he's done a lot of writing, colorful writing, interesting writing. a lot of people really like his stuff. is he grasping at straws here? what is this? >> while, from the very beginning of his tenure, mueller has taken the position that if you lie to us and obviously it's his view as to whether or not they lied, but if you lie to us, we are going to prosecute you. that's really something that a lot of aggressive special counsels have done. patrick fitzgerald did it in the scooter libby case. they are here for a limited time. they know they're going to get criticized publicly, like they all are, like star was, like archie cox and mike mueller has been. so they want to strike terror
into the hearts of the people that they deal with and they question. mueller has been very consistent in this regard. if you lie to us, we will charge you. i don't know. >> laura: this is what prosecutors -- i am speaking as an old defense counsel, but prosecutors have a big weapon in their arsenal. the weapon is you talk to us. if you don't, we are turning the screws. we are going to turn them and turn them and turn them and it's going to be so painful that you're going to say something. i am not saying all prosecutors are bad. i am not saying that. i want to play when jerome corsi set about this because he's not willing to take a plea deal. he said i'm not going to lie basically to take some lousy plea deal if i have to die in jail, i will. let's watch. speak of the american people ofd understand we have a criminal department of justice. they are taking citizens. i've never committed a crime in my life. i am 72 years old.
i will can die in prison but il not lie to say i didn't tell the truth to the special counsel. >> laura: i believe him. i don't know. you know you have a certain radar about people and things. >> let me tell you a little secret. let me tell you a little secret about jerome corsi and papadopoulos. neither of these guys had to talk to mueller at all. mueller couldn't have turned any screws on either one of these guys. they could have said guess what, we decline to talk to you and if mueller had called them to the grand jury, they could have said guess what, we are not -- we are going to plead the fifth amendment. these guys were not major players than drug administration who might be embarrassed if it came out that they took the fifth amendment. so these guys, i don't know what their problem is, why they felt like they had to talk to the government in the first place. >> laura: they were corroborating. they don't have anything to hide. maybe you're saying it is
stupid. shouldn't talk to mueller. they have andrew weissmann and all the other people who hate trump. so i get it. i wouldn't have advised my client to talk to them but i think they feel like jerome corsi, didn't do anything. i am a journalist writing stuff i didn't do anything. you can indict a ham sandwich. >> you can. the bottom line, as you know, we don't know if they had anything to hide or not. one thing about corsi, he was trying to work on some kind of deal where he would not plead to intentionally lying. really the only way you can be successfully -- plead guilty to a crime of a false statement is if you did it intentionally. if you didn't do it intentionally, he shouldn't plead guilty. >> laura: dershowitz now, dershowitz has been reviled by the left or defending trump. all the invitations to the parties dried up at martha's vineyard. apparently nobody would come to his party.
>> so sad. >> laura: the martha's vineyard crowd turned a cold shoulder. i was very distressed for him actually. >> they haven't invited me to any of their parties either paid >> laura: sol, when people don't know about you is that you are so much fun. it's very upsetting to me that you wouldn't be invited. but this is what he said yesterday that set the internet on fire. let's watch. >> and i think the report is going to be devastating to the president and i know that the president's team is already working on a response to the report. >> laura: did he get a leak from mueller? is it just rank speculation? >> i think it is rank speculation. on the other hand, it's pretty clear that there is no love lost between mueller's prosecutors and the president and his people. so it wouldn't be surprising to me if a report is hard-hitting. here is the key thing people haven't focused on yet. granted, it's only been a couple hours since mueller made his
filing about manafort, saying that he lied and committed new crimes. mueller said let's proceed to sentencing and manafort's attorney agrees with him and then mueller said were going to be filing something, judge, we are going to be filing a sentencing memo with you the details and i'm quoting mueller here "details all of the various lies and crimes that manafort has committed." i think mueller will take this opportunity. he is very limited in what he can say, unless he is doing it in a court filing. i think you're going to see a document from mueller in the manafort case -- won't be a speaking indictment. >> laura: a lot of this has stuff to do with the old business dealings going back several years and predating the campaign. i don't know about that. >> you are right but i don't think that's what they're theyn
asking him about nine don't think that's what they are going to say he's been fibbing about. another interesting thing, mueller does not have the power to say you lied in the deal is off. the court will make that decision, and that's an important distinction. >> laura: sol, it's good to see you back. we have missed you terribly. >> great to be back. >> laura: take care. among the potential list of 2020 trump challengers includes some hilarious sideshows. slap and han beat the never-ending parade of when my hot water heater failed, she was pregnant, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world.
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>> laura: if you can believe the rates for 2020, i can't believe i am already saying this, as often running in the latest batch of contenders, well, may not have the president's wedding too much from the right corner, we have two contenders who don't have much of a constituency in their party but still think they can challenge the president for the nomination. first we have jeff always a flake. his approval among republican voters in his own state was a whopping 20%, forcing him into early retirement. still he recently told politico that he has not ruled out a run
for the presidency. and then there is old john kasich, the man who seemingly lives in an msnbc greenroom. great food there. and he didn't even show up at his own party's presidential convention when it was held in his state where he was governor. but he thinks he can challenge trump and is very seriously considering it. from the left, robert francis over, darling of the democratic party, could wins senate race in texas but is now saying a presidential run could be in the cards. and then there is mr. impeachment himself, tom steyer. he thinks basically any billionaire can run for president. last week, he released his five rights for americans that looked enough like presidential platforms. here to debate whether any of these challengers should keep the president up at night, matt schlapp, chairman of the american conservative union.
chris hahn radio host and former aide to chuck schumer. should the president be worried? when i think of john kasich versus trump, i get palpitations. so exciting. a debate between them. >> john kasich could keep it close in ohio. usually for republican presidents, they face a primary challenge, it is toast in november. i think with president trump it's exactly the opposite. i think if he is a guy like flake, i assume running as a republic, not sure, if flake or kasich runs, it will embolden him. he likes a file. as far the democrats explosion, the fact that it's so big with so many interesting characters, actually think it placed in the vantage as well. >> laura: chris, first of all i hope you had a nice thanksgiving. nice to see you. >> i did. >> laura: did you cook? are you one of those progressive men and you cooked and wore the apron and all that?
>> i don't wear an apron but i did cook. the butcher did most of the work brining the turkey. >> laura: very cool. i'm totally kidding. high level -- cooking is a family affair. beto o'rourke now, he's a contender. his wife said she's leaving open the possibility. "newsweek" actually had an article today that the title of which was beto o'rourke -- of beto o'rourke was president, here's how he would handle the migrant caravan. i mean, that's the title of a "newsweek" piece. thoughts, chris. >> i remember laughing very hard when a guy named donald trump got into the race, saying he will never win the nomination and if he wins the nomination, democrats will win 40 states. the careful what you wish for. beto o'rourke, if he closes the gap the way he did in texas and increases that margin in other
states, he will get over 300 electoral votes. easily. may be closer 340. he is an inspiring guy we will see what happens. >> laura: why is he inspiring? wait a second. okay. obama did better than he did in rural texas, if my memory serves me correct. why is he inspiring? he's cute but why is he inspiring? what's inspiring about him? >> the guy reminded me a lot of donald trump. he was always trailing the poles but yet everywhere he went, thousands of people showed up to see him. there is something there and i think if the guy ran for president he's going to be a serious contender. i don't know if you will be the nominee but he will be a serious contender in the democratic primary. a big field didn't hurt the republicans in 2016 and it won't hurt democrats in 2020. frankly if i was a republican, i would throw my name out there just in case the president decides he doesn't want to run
or doesn't -- >> laura: for the speaking fees alone, you throw your name into the hat, right? >> i agree with chris. i think the big field is not a bad thing. >> laura: it doesn't matter. >> it's a big smorgasbord. >> laura: john kasich, i mean, he just keeps showing up. it's like a bad toothache. one word.
with the cincinnati. >> are you channeling bill belichick quick. >> g we had a great win today great game i'm sure we had an incredible day. >> that's what they look like when they win quick. >> that's all the time that we have ed henry is in for shannon bream. >> i will love it when time he said i don't understand this social media snap face or whatever you call it. [laughter] take care. president trump just threatened moments ago to close down the busiest border crossing in mex