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doing well. no word yet if the baby will be named for the delivering state trooper. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that is it for this "special report." fair, balanced, still unafraid. "the story" hosted by martha maccallum starts right now. martha, that is a smart state trooper. >> martha: thinks after that your birth or watching tv. thanks, bret. so, breaking tonight, we are watching the final senate race in mississippi where g.o.p. candidate cindy hyde-smith and democrat mike espy compete. polls close in one hour. hyde-smith had been ahead despite my steps. a win would bring the g.o.p. senate 253, and the democrats to 47 but who knows what's going to happen, and we will see how this thing unwinds. also, brit hume on the president's brand-new comment moments ago on plan b for the wall. and how brit hume says the president proved his critics wrong on the issue. but first, the president versus
robert mueller. could we be getting close to the end of this saga? both sides appear loaded for bear. the president slamming fired tweets off, saying this and more. "the phony witch hunt continues but mueller and his gang of angry dems are only looking at one side, not the other. wait until it comes out, how horribly -- of russia, graciously they are treating people, ruining lives for them, refusing to lie." so the big question is when robert mueller shows his guards. what will we see? george papadopoulos, the center of lots of injury, now in jail, but he will only be there for a couple of weeks. despite an exclusive story that says manafort met secretly with julian assange, he says this, that it's totally false and deliberately libelous. i never met julian assange or anyone connected to him. as another character in the saga says that he refused a deal, saying that he simply would not lie about something he did not do and that he would rather
"rotten jail." our panel here on all of that in just a moment, but first, trace gallagher it says rolling tonight. hi, trace. >> hi, martha. if you look at that major players robert mueller is focusing on, the common denominator appears to be julian assange with the question is who knew assange and who was in cahoots with assange. let's begin with former campaign trauma paul manafort, who "the guardian" newspaper said bent with julian assange in 2013, 2015, and most importantly in 202060 in just months before wikileaks released the hacked emails of hillary clinton's campaign chair john podesta. manafort's at icm are met with assange. now robert mueller's investigation is claiming manafort violated his plea deal by lying to them repeatedly related not say about what. manafort denies lying but could soon be sentenced to decades in prison for his recent tax and bank fraud conviction. then there is jerome corsi,
conservative author and associate of trump confidant roger and stone. the special counsel reportedly has evidence that corsi knew wikileaks had john podesta's emails two months before they were released. mueller as examining whether corsi passed that information along to roger stone. remember, that is credible, critical because the podesta email where public on october 7th, 2016, hours after the "access hollywood" table in public, where donald trump bragged about groping women. for special counsel want to know if there is coordination between roger stone and julian assange about when to release podesta's damaging emails. jerome corsi says he did not have insider information. instead, he connected the dots and theorized that assange had podesta's emails. finally, there is a low-level trump campaign advisor george papadopoulos, serving a slap on the rest two week prison term in wisconsin for lying about his interaction with russian contacts concerning, among
other things, the hacked podesta emails. and today harvard law professor alan dershowitz doubled down on his belief that mueller want to be fair. listen. >> he is going to produce what he believes will be a devastating attack. he will put together everything. he's going to use information from manafort and others without necessarily disclosing that they are liars. >> in the meantime president trump continues to call the mueller probably witch hunt. but late this afternoon he told "the washington post" that he has "no intention of doing anything about the mueller probe." earlier, press secretary sarah sanders says the president is not worried. watch. >> i don't think the president has concerns about the report because he knows there was no wrongdoing by him and that there was no collusion. i don't think he has concerns on that front. >> as to when robert mueller wraps up, the smart money is betting on soon.
martha. >> martha: soon has been soon, you could drive a truck through soon. we will see. thank you very much. here now with more tonight, jonathan turley, george washington university constitutional law professor and r. marc thiessen, fox news contributor. and richard goodstein, former advisor to bill and hillary clinton presidential campaign and a democratic strategist. gentlemen, thank you to all of you. you are all following this very closely, and there has certainly been some developments on it in the past 24 hours. jonathan turley, let me start with you. what do you make up what we have learned in terms of manafort and the mueller investigation saying that they think that he has been lying to them and it sounds like they feel like they have a lot on him? >> this is pretty rare when it comes to criminal cases overall. it's not rare when it comes to robert mueller. he already has had problems with witnesses who have been involved in plea agreements at one stage or the other. papadopoulos essentially became
hostile to them, even as a cooperating witness come to the point that mueller try to increase his sentencing, which the court rejected. corsi refused to accept the deal, according to his own account, because he felt that he was being told to lie. this is fairly rare. usually these are witnesses who are desperate for deals, and really would not risk taking off a prosecutor. so clearly mueller is not getting what he wants. the question is, is he getting enough to get him where he wants to go? >> martha: so, mr. goodstein. i know that you don't believe this is wrapping up anytime soon, and nobody knows. but one indicator is that the president has responded to the questions. that was considered to be one of the last elements of all of this. but it does seem that the mueller investigation is frustrated with what they are getting, as jonathan turley says come out of some of these witnesses. what does that tell you? >> it tells me really nothing, martha.
go back to all the statements rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, said a year ago, before christmas last year, about how soon and early 2018, then the middle, then by september 1st. look, we don't know, the trump people don't know. i attach a zero significance to these written statements that donald trump has submitted. what they say, though, is that he has exceeded to robert mueller's jurisdiction. he basically is a legitimate special counsel. that is it. robert mueller -- what, if donald trump is innocent, why doesn't he sit down, put himself under oath, and say whatever he needed nose to robert mueller? that is what an innocent person does. and it's in person doesn't make up a story about what happened at the trump tower meeting, for example. >> martha: you are saying you don't know where this is going and you don't know where the timeline is over, however, you are pretty sure that president did something wrong. >> he's acting like somebody who is not incident. that is all i'm saying.
>> martha: he's acting like somebody was under investigation for two years. he isn't quite sure that he would get a fair steak if he sat down. his lawyers have told him that was probably the the be a peers situation, given the scope of this investigation, which seems to be quite wide. marc thiessen, and trace gallagher set set up a piece, you look to the question of julian assange. it's interesting to sort of peel back this investigation and say, what are we talking about here? what are they accusing the president on the campaign of doing? when you get down to the not of it, did julian assange and people who were connected to thd figure out a way to release these emails from the clinton campaign, which were actual emails of the concert campaign was writing to each other, by the way, and were not really that terribly damning, when you look at them again. that is the heart of what we are talking about, right? think about exactly the heart of what we are talking about. the story of paul manafort, the reality is, probably every inch
of the city of london is covered by cctv. there is video paul manafort going and are not going into the ecuadorian embassy. that is a fact as to whether he wanted to the ecuadorian embassy and met with julian assange. that is something that robert mueller or someone can find out. but the question is, it's not did paul manafort meet with assange, did jerome corsi meet with assange, the question is, was donald trump engaged in a criminal conspiracy with russia? was he connected? it doesn't matter if corsi was connected to a q. week, it matters that donald trump was. and unless muller can prove that donald trump was somehow engaged in criminal conspiracy with russia, then he's not going to be removed from office, it's just that simple. we have to find out what he knows about donald trump's behavior and we don't know the answer to that. >> martha: jonathan? >> i think that is a very good point. the key line here, legally, is whether mueller can establish that any hacking of the emails
was done before the fact with knowledge of trump associates or whether they became some type of accomplice after-the-fact. the mere allegation that political operatives wanted access to these emails from wikileaks is not a crime. indeed, the status of wikileaks and getting this material is a greatly debated question. wikileaks insists they are more of a journalistic organization than the alternative. that may have to be litigated. but in order to really get a clear shot at the president, they need to start with the foundation and the criminal code, and that is going to require either an accomplice before the fact, or after-the-fact, but not for someone who simply wants to get access to information may have been reading about for political purposes. >> there is a crime -- jonathan knows this. mr. jeanette fallone, where you know that a crime has been
committed -- we could talk about what that is -- there is a long list. and you do nothing to tell the authorities, and you could take steps to conceal it, like, making up a story, a cover story about the trump tower meeting. >> martha: tell me what the crime is, richard. >> it's defrauding the united states government and the people of a fair election, 18 usc 371. have your viewers look it up. and, incidentally, we are not just talking about the russians, we are talking about tax fraud and money laundering, and bank fraud -- >> here we go. >> martha: hold on. you can't -- you are talking about tax fraud and money laundering. i guess you are pointing to the original charges against paul manafort that put them in jail, with regard to its ukrainian connections from a long time before he started working for the president's campaign. is that correct? >> how about the hush money that he paid to all of these women? that is a campaign finance violation. the list goes on and on. you can laugh about it but it reminds me -- >> martha: that case -- at the
moment. i think, whenever we have this conversation come i think it's important to step back and say, what exactly are we discussing here. and marc, i know that you follow this for a long time and this will be the question. eventually robert mueller is going to go forward with a report and there is no doubt in my mind that whatever is in there, democrats will continue to build the kind of story that richard goodstein just laid out, that it doesn't matter if there is no crime there. there is still stuff that is going to allow them to sink their teeth into it for the coming years. >> this is a huge danger for the democrats. the american people look at this and say, okay, mueller is investigating the possibility of a criminal conspiracy with russia to affect the relation results. if there is evidence of a criminal conspiracy, that is one thing. donald trump will probably be impeached and could be convicted and assented. if there was no evidence of a conspiracy that trump was involved in with russia but they come up with payoffs to porn stars or something like that and
i try to impeach him on that -- >> martha: which could be a campaign violation, which is usually a fine. >> it wouldn't necessarily be a campaign finance violation because he may not -- it is not an open and shut case. the fact that the president has not testified before mueller, you cannot -- i'm not a lawyer -- but jonathan can confirm this, the fact that you are not willing to testify does not prove that you are guilty. so the idea that somehow -- i hope that the democrats -- the nightmare for democrats right now is that mueller comes up with no evidence of a criminal conspiracy with russia about some sort of tangential evidence about campaign finance or something like that i may go after impeachment anyway because what is going to happen is, there is zero chance that, other than a criminal conspiracy with russia that the two-thirds of the senate will convict the president and there will be a huge electoral backlash from the american people, from the trump voters, because they will see this as an effort to invalidate their votes because this was supposed to be our russia. if it's about anything other than russia, the president will pay a high price. >> martha: got to leave it
there. three wonderful guests. we'll have you back. there's a lot a lot of talk about. thank you very much, all of you. jerome corsi will actually be on "tucker carlson tonight," which we all look forward to, should be interesting. in the meantime, president trump foretold what we just saw happen at the border this weekend. >> your campaign had an showing migrants climbing over walls and so on. >> they weren't doctors. -- they weren't actors. >> martha: so now, a scramble on capitol hill to get funding for the wall or risk a shutdown by next week. brit hume on all of that coming up next. ♪ veto drink a lot of water. medications seem to be the number one cause for dry mouth. dry mouth can cause increased cavities, bad breath, oral irritation. i like to recommend biotene. biotene has a full array of products that replenishes the moisture in your mouth. biotene definitely works. it makes patients so much happier.
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wants $5 billion for an expanded wall in order to keep that campaign promise to secure the border. he needs democrats' help and votes to do so. he told "the washington post," though, tonight that he is considering a plan b if that does not happen. saying this, "there are other potential ways that i can do it. you saw what we did with the military and with a barbed wire and the fencing and various other things." well summer criticizing his decision to send troops to the border and the recent teargas of some migrants as they try to force their way into the united states, his critics also seem to have a pet of selective memory on this issue, according to brit hume, our fox news senior political annualized. brit, great to have you. let start with that come and get to the issue of funding the border because obviously, there's been a ton of criticism of how the president handled the situation, which really should not have come as a surprise to anybody. he's been nothing but clear on his approach to the border. >> that is certainly correct,
martha. of course, the near hysteria over this episode at the border over the weekend with teargas used to repeal the people who were trying to rush the border in some numbers was really a remarkable example of what we find all the time with mr. trump, things that are done under his administration are considered outrageous, and violations of human rights, and evaluations of chemical weapons treaties in the eyes of one hawaiian democratic senator, brian although he later took that down. it turns on its been going on for some time. one significant thing, martha, november 27th, 2013, at that very same entrance point and is san ysidro on the mexican border near san diego, a group of migrants russia border, were repealed with teargas in the same way that, and i don't
remember -- it turns out according to a report in the washington times, the obama administration regularly used teargas on migrants trying to cross the border. as we find out with things that mr. trump those are not so unusual are strangers people would have you believe. >> martha: people are horrified by equal actions under different presidents under different ways. when you look back in history, richard nixon closed the border, reagan also close the border at one point to thwart the drug trade coming across and i don'te years, the kind of outrage of humanitarian concern about the issue to secure the border based on national security. >> martha, it is simply a fact. the president says there's all the time, which is, if you don't have a border, and effective border, you don't have a country. that is understandably true. his promise to halt the flow of
illegal immigrants into this country is a perfectly reasonable thing to promise. you could enter the question of whether we should have a better immigration policy to handle things like this attempt by people to get asylum, we obviously need that. but that -- he can't wish that into being. that is a responsibility of congress, which has been struggling with this issue now for decades, and has not been able to reach any kind of compromise. the reason for that, of course, martha, there is not in a trust on both sides. the republicans think the democrats want the immigrants to come in because they want them as voters and the democrats think the republicans don't want to let the men because they are racists. >> martha: that's exactly right. and i think the american people across the land would just like to have a solution and these people are in that entire situation, and people would really like just an orderly process. that is all anybody is looking for is an orderly process. that is my last question to you on the politics out of this. the president wants $5 billion
over several years for border security. he's already told the democrats he would give them 1.82 million doctoral recipients who could say, that got cut down. any help that he could accomplish that on that front before the end of the term? >> there is a deal to be had and what you get border funding in the exchange for dealing with the daca issue, the young immigrants who came here as children enter never have lived anywhere else. i think most people think it is reasonable to have them stay. but under current law, they are really not supposed to. so that is a deal that that ise to be had. the question is whether either party is willing to make it. and so far, that has not proved to be true. the situation is worsening. i think the case for mr. trump's border wall has improved. i'd situation you see in tijuana with the people stacked up therf stress on the government down there, israel, as well as about the incident that happened
over the weekend in which the teargas was used. this caravan, which a lot of people said was a myth and was not really meaningful and posed no threat, turns out to be pretty real, and pretty serious. so there may be a moment here where everybody kind of wises up. but having seen what i've seen over the last couple of years, it would not bet on it. >> martha: brit, thank you as always. great to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: so this is sergeant leandro jasso. an elite army ranger who was known as "landoll" to his good friends he was killed this week in afghanistan. he was not alone. others have also lost their lives in the past few days as the situation with the travel ban escalates. congressmen and war vet adam kinzinger is next. ♪ want to get the most details about your family history. my pie chart showed that i'm from all over europe, but then it got super specific. i learned my people came from a small region in poland and even a little bit of the history
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roadside bomb detonated in the eastern part of the country and the taliban-claimed attack believed to be the deadliest trike in afghanistan in 17 months. i'm touring for more by congressman adam king and sir, are home again from illinois, who serves as deputy house web, also in iraq and afghanistan veteran. thank you for being here. good to have have you here. it breaks your heart when you see the picture of this young man, loved by his friends, the life of the party, according to these reports and extraordinarily dedicated to serving his country. at the age of 25, caused his life. it makes a lot of people look at our situation and wonder, almost 18 years into this fight now, why we are still there. what do you say to them? >> it's tragic, it's sad. it's awful. but i think what's amazing about all of those is he is 25 years old and we have young people that, today, are going to still walk into the army, the marine corps, air force, navy
recruiting center, still raise their right hand to protect and defend this country despite the fact this war has been going on a long time. whether we fight, terrorism is not our choice. where we fight terrorism is. i would much rather fight the terrorists in afghanistan, as a brave soldier and the three that lost their lives yesterday gifted, instead of on the streets of the united states of america. i wear on my wrist, a friend of mine, i flew with him in iraq in 2008. and he was just killed this year in a iraq. think about this, mr. o'keefe has been in iraq multiple times over a time of ten years, at least over the time i knew him, and he gave his life. we have a brave, brave group of people that struck protect ray demott i think it is essential that we put the terrorists on their heels of their home area instead of letting them come here. unless we are willing to convert to their brand, there are strict, narrow brand of islam as a country, they will be determined to kill us and we have the best fighting force in
the world that is going to make sure they don't make it here. >> martha: i think that that is absolutely the reason that this young man was there. he said he wanted to fight for his country and he wanted to help people overseas and there has been certainly a rod of gains with regards to that. we've lost a lot of people recently. 13 service members been killed in afghanistan in 2018. in terms of how we are doing -- the president has spoken out about this in in the new "washington post" interview tonight -- and he said -- this is not a direct quote, i'm piecing at some of it together -- experts have told him that we need to stay there. he went on to say in a separate part of that response, oil is now less of a reason. all of a sudden it gets to a point where maybe you don't have to stay, he said, the exact quote is on the screen now. he said one reason now, are we going to stay in that part of the world, one reason is for israel. oil is becoming less of a
reason. all of a sudden get dry point raid on how to stay there. what do you say about that? >> i want to get to a point where we don't have to stay there. the president was right in the first part is that we don't come back can't leave. president obama -- i hate to do what about-ism but president trump, would he claimed and he put a timeline, he emboldened the taliban because these are people that are writing a generational war. he knew that they just had -- they knew that they just had to outlast us. we don't get defeated on the battlefield against the taliban or al qaeda or isis. marika divided his armor well. it's tragic we have 13 people and its awful but we have the best fighting force, significant damage on the enemy and not on ourselves, and the other thing to keep in mind, the afghan people, we are popular in afghanistan, and they have stood up and have sacrificed to defend their country. there is a lot of work to do and i think we will be there a while.
i wish at the beginning of the war, we spent more time setting that table but if we leave, we will be back because biting them is not our choice. it is just where we fight that matters. >> martha: congressman adam kinzinger, thank you for your service and for these young men in these families. we are making about all of them tonight and the extraordinary sacrifice that they have made to help people overseas, as landro, as he was no difference, he would often talk about. >> god bless his family. >> martha: absolutely. we will take a quick break. we'll be right back. liberty mutual accident forgiveness
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>> martha: so the supreme court could soon hear a case that could potentially lead down the road to a test of roe vs. wade for this nearly conservative leaning highest court in the land. so groups are requesting a review of an indiana law that was signed by then-governor mike pence. the law required doctors to
inform their patients that abortions were not permitted if the reason was the unborn baby's race, color, or potential of disability, such as down syndrome. so earlier this year, a federal appeals court found that the law unconstitutional. but that could potentially change under the new supreme court with the addition of justice kavanaugh. here now, governor mike huckabee, fox news contributor and author. good to see you. thank you for being here. this is an issue that is very important to you. why do you think that there may be, for a number of reasons, science, and a number of reasons, more of these cases that start to question the validity of roe v. wade? >> let's hope so. because science has dramatically changed since 1973. we know things about the unborn child that we simply didn't know in 1973, about when life begins, and the viability, issues that were very different then.
i think a lot of people need to step back and realize that if roe v. wade is overturned, it doesn't end abortion. so many people think that is the end of abortion. it isn't. all it does is return it back to that is decision of the states. in some states, like my home state of arkansas, abortion would be abolished because there is a constitutional amendment that bans at. that would happen in several states. in other states, their ashley could be more abortions. my guess is, states like new york and california would likely see an uptick in the number of abortions because those dates would likely and any restrictions whatsoever. ultimately, this is the decision, we have seen incremental changes of the way people approach it legally at the state level. but ultimately, it's got to be decided by personhood. this will be resolved when we determine that an unborn child is a person. that moment is when that child will be protected by the fifth and 14th amendments that says that you can't deprive somebody
of life or liberty without due process, and in an abortion, there is no due process. >> martha: when you look at the indiana case, for example, and it was signed under a governor but then overturned, the question was, it's a discrimination issue. you can't end a life based on race or color or creed or the potential that that child might have a disease like down syndrome, and we've done a number of stories, countries that are cheering their success rate at not having any down syndrome children in the whole country because they are ending that life the second that they understand that that could possibly happen. we all know what a gift down children are to the families that they live in. >> beautiful children. >> martha: robie wade, it made it a federal decision and not really limited to the state's ability to make these decisions for themselves, and people to vote and change the laws in their own states. >> martha, this particular law
in indiana, think about it. when the federal courts overturned that wall, where they basically said was, we can't discriminate anywhere in the culture except we can discriminate when it comes to the gender or to the race of an unborn child. i find that appalling. i wish society would find that appalling. >> martha: what do you say about -- obviously some of the topper question that judge kavanaugh god were regard to this issue, roe v. wade, and he, like everyone uses in a chair, set, i can't tell you that until i look at the law and the case before me but i would imagine that to you, people that feel the way you do, are hopeful that this court will make this decision. >> i would like love to see it happen. i just want people who are pro-life to recognize this is not the ultimate solution. this is not fixing the idea of what i think has been a horror on the civilization that we have taken the lives of almost a million unborn children a year
and their mother's womb. this is amazing. 60 million -- if you want to know, we have so many people immigrating into the country just to supply jobs. a lot of it is, we've aborted our workforce over the past 45 years. think about that. 60 million people that would be in our workforce were never seen the light of day. that is pretty tragic, martha. i think every time we can put a new hindrance on the wholesale slaughter of unborn children, it is a step for a more civilized culture and society. >> martha: governor, thank you for being here tonight. we will see where this case goes and we will keep an eye on it. thank you, sir. still ahead this evening, why two trump insiders say the president's worst enemies go to still be within the white house walls. david bossie and corey lewandowski coming up next. ♪ with advil liqui-gels, you'll ask...
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>> martha: a bombshell new book by trump campaign insiders says president trump has embedded enemies with with his and administration who are in tirelessly working to hold his agenda. the authors describe a handful of white house aides as the november 9th club, establishment republicans who did not support the president until he won and then showed up looking for a job
in the white house. joining me now, corey lewandowski and david bossie, authors of "trump's enemies: how the deep state is undermining the presidency." guys, welcome back to the program. my question about the november 9th club is, you guys could run the whole place by yourselves. obviously they would have to be people who said after the election, i did not support him but i do now. i want to help. >> there's a lot of people like that. let me give you an example, second of state mike pompeo was with somebody else on the primary but when he came to the administration, he was with the president's agenda 100% of the time. other people, not only do they work against him in the election process, they didn't vote for him on election day, but when they got into the white house, they have their own agenda. gary cohn, sean spicer, rob porter, and that agenda was to subvert the will of the president to move the country in a certain direction. that is not what they were there to do. they were supposed to be there to support the president and i think -- >> martha: what direction were they trying to move the country and? speak of what we saw was that the president trump wanted to sign a trade deal with
south korea and the bob woodward deal said that rob porter and gary cohn took the papers of the resolute desk because they did not agree with the president's trade policies. they weren't elected to do that. i think of people in the past like jim baker, who was a rival before he came in to be chief of staff to a different person, and that is what you are supposed to do. you put your personal differences aside, and the privilege of working in the administration means use it for the president and his agenda. you can have differences of opinion and you should air those differences but when he makes a decision, you don't use your position to subvert the decision that has been made. >> martha: who is still in the white house that fits this category that you think is subversive? >> martha, the one perfect example is the author of anonymous. we don't know who that person as yet, and -- >> martha: who do you think it is? >> i don't know. i think it would be easy to figure out who it's not then who it is because there are so many people that it could simply be. but my point is, there are people there who, like the author, feel like it's their job
to save the country from the president, as that person set in the letter. it is outrageous. that person is a coward, should stand up and be counted and say, -- >> martha: why not just say, i actually shouldn't be working here because i don't agree with what you are doing and i got to go? speak about is our point. by the way, all presidents need to grow their administrations come off residence bring people in. >> martha: is the president good at listening to someone who says, i support you but this is why this is a really bad idea? >> he's not only good, he's great at it. he wants people with differing opinions. that is one of the reasons that we think he needs a team who he's going to listen to and then make decisions -- >> martha: who should he put in place? do you think john kelly should go? >> here is what i think, when the president makes decisions to bring people in like john bolton and larry kudlow and bill shine, individuals who are there for one reason, which is to support the president, they have fundamental disagreements
amongst them and they present those arguments to the president, and the president makes the final decision on what those policies are going to be. that is a healthy thing to do. those of the type of people that i think the president needs to continue to bring in and surround himself with. >> martha: who would you replace john kelly with, david bossie? >> whether or not john kelly needs to go or not -- look, there's a bunch of people. this president has a lot of people who wants to work for him, that is a fact. all sorts of jobs. i think this president, first and foremost, when he makes his changes post midterm elections, with which all presidents do, we are looking forward to some of e changes, he needs to put together that team that is going to be solely focused on his reelection. seamlessly working the legislative agenda, the political agenda, and the communication aspect of it, the forward-facing 2020 agenda that is going to get this president reelected. that should be what people are thinking about when we are creating the new team. >> martha: i want to pull up this tweet because this is
something that we have talked about. the first lady, she said of that interview she did in africa, she said, i'm the most bullied person in the world. she sort of couched about a little better but she does feel like that sometimes. she's really incredible and so many ways, and she is very supportive -- she is also the person that says that there are people in the white house who are against the president's agenda. so why do you think that she doesn't get the kind of attention that michelle obama god, for example? >> it is not just the attention, it is the respect. she deserves the respect that every first lady gets. she is a first lady. she is doing an amazing job with kids, going on that trip to africa, bringing delight to the plight of some of those people over there that she is meeting with brian for her be treated in that way -- by the way, james woods, that tweet, i am so glad that he didn't. i follow him. he is an amazing guy, he makes people think about things every day. >> martha: did you know house
beautiful, it really political magazine, i didn't know? they went after -- >> about two weeks ago, her office and said there was a person in the white house who did not deserve the privilege of working there and the mainstream media said, oh, my god, the first lady is being involved in personnel decisions. whether you think the role of hillary clinton was when she was the first lady? she took over the health care for the country, and all these other things. melania trump was chastised for making a statement for people who should not be working in the white house. the mainstream media attacked her for that. it was disgusting. they never would have done that her barack obama's wife, never done it to bill clinton's life, they sure didn't do it to george bush's wife. there was a double standard in software. >> martha: they should give her a chance. >> she is the rock of that family. >> martha: the white house is the most beautiful at christmas time and she did a beautiful job with that. that should be noncontroversial. thank you, gentlemen. and it's a way, the polls close administered
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♪ >> so i am asking every citizen from every party, community background, race, color, religion, and created, for the honor of your support. i need you to get your family, get your friends, get your neighbors, get your coworkers, and get out tomorrow and vote for cindy hyde-smith. >> martha: that was on monday in tupelo, mississippi, as the president campaign across the states in hopes of increasing his majority in the senate. backing incumbent republican senator cindy hyde-smith, who faces democratic challenger mike espy from the bill clinton administration. that is what is happening in tonight's runoff. polls close in about 3 minutes from now. correspondent peter doocy is allied with an update. he is at hyde-smith's
headquarters. good evening, peter. tell us what is going on down there. >> martha, despite the national attention about how this race could reshape the senate, state officials are saying that the turnout has been steady but slow. as he just mentioned, mike espy is trying to become tonight the first african-american elected to the senate ms estaten and he says he knows he needs crossover voters. the state's democratic race in the states democratic base is not enough to lead him to victory. it still early but democrats inn the state are telling me they think the dynamics of this special election might be different enough from the general that they could be poised for an upset of the way the democrat doug jones upset republican roy moore and the alabama special election last winter. unlike alabama has a special election, where top republicans kept the controversial candidate at arm's length and the closest president trump got to alabama during election week was florida, the republican cavalry
has been here in full force. president trump twice, governor bill bryant, all with cindy hyde-smith, appealing to borders, and a big part of their argument is to give mitch mcconnell cushions of the senators who sometimes take a long time to decide how they want to vote in d.c. lose leverage when it comes time for a close vote on something like immigration or a supreme court justice. the real wild card tonight is who actually showed up. because you could vote today, whether you voted three weeks ago or you didn't. martha? >> martha: obviously, what may be helping mr. espy a bed as the controversy that has played out there over a couple of comments that he cindy hyde-smith made. i know senator graham was asked about her today and he said he was there supporting her. he said he didn't think people should be judged by one comment. but clearly, that open up some possibilities for espy. >> it might have. again, the state is very, very
red. graham's point was a cindy hyde-smith would not be such a proponent of criminal justice reported on microform if she was this big racist that somewhat have you believe. but again, the cindy hyde-smith team, very, very confident in their chances to hold the thad cochran ch. >> martha: thank you very much, peter. that is our "story" for tuesday nights. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." as has become the rule lately, there are a couple of big stories unfolding simultaneously tonight. big news in mississippi, the polls have just closed and a key runoff election there. you'll get the results right here may be during this hour. we'll also bring you the latest on the migrant caravan, and investigate the news coverage of that. was it accurate now that the facts are in? we can assess that and we will. but first tonight, robert mueller's investigation, it was created, as he