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evening. "fox news sunday" is up next. chris: i'm chris wallace. the nation mourns our 41st president, george herbert walker bush. as president trump calls a temporary truce in the trade war with china at a summit of world leaders in argentina. >> we've made tremendous progress at the g-20 with many nations. chris: we'll break down the summit and how the president dealt with challenges from china, russia and saudi arabia with two key senators, republican roy blunt, a member of the gop leadership, and democrat ben carton, a member of the senate foreign relations committee. then, remembering a war hero turned statesman. >> i really believe it. i really believe there can be no
definition of a successful life that does not include service to others. chris: we'll revisit some of our special moments with bush 41. do you feel a tremendous sense of pride when you see your children and your grandchildren carrying on the family tradition? >> total sense of pride and great happiness. chris: we'll get reaction from former vice president dick cheney, who served as his secretary of defense and james baker, who served as his secretary of state, together only on fox news sunday. plus, we'll ask our sunday panel about the legacy of president bush. >> i made plenty of mistakes, got some things right bottom line, served with honor. chris: all right now on fox news sunday. you are looking live at the ronald reagan presidential library and air force one, that carried our 40th president around the globe in pursuit of
peace. and welcome to a special hour of fox news sunday from the sixth annual reagan national defense forum, a gathering of key figures and national security. it was here we learned of the death of former president bush, who among his many roles served as reagan's vice president. we'll spend much of this hour reflecting on bush's accomplishments, including a joint interview with dick cheney and james baker. but we begin with breaking news. president trump has put the brakes on his trade dispute with chinese president xi. let's bring in white house correspondent kevin cork live in bay nose aries. >> reporter: by agreeing to effectively a 90 day cease fire, president trump and his chinese counter part sent a strong message to the world that the ongoing trade dispute could soon be entering a new phase. >> this is a very important
meeting, a lot of people are looking forward to it. i know that president xi and myself are looking forward to it. >> reporter: for two and-a-half hours, the world watched and waited, that's how long the high stakes talk between president trump and his chinese counter part lasted at the g-20 summit, a working dinner that proved long on promise but short of specifics. we did learn that the americans agreed to leave tariffs of $200 billion worth of chinese imports at 10% at the beginning of the new year, agreeing not to raise them to 25% as previously threatened. and in return, china agreed to buy a substantial but unspecified amount of agricultural,, industrial and other products from the u.s. to he reduce the trade imbalance. both countries agreed they'll try have the transaction completed within the next 90 days. if it doesn't happen the americans insist the 10% tariffs will be raised to 25%. meanwhile, after avoiding any public interaction with russian president vladimir putin for
much of the summit, the white house consistent your firmed cot trump had an informal conversation with the russian leader. a bit of housekeeping for you, chris. we learned from the president that his next meeting with north korea's leader, kim jong un, will likely take place in early 2019, january or february. he said he would strongly consider a two week extension to avoid a government shutdown, a funding extension, that is, as the nation mourns the death of president bush. considechris. chris: kevin cork reporting, thanks for that. joining us now with reaction to the meeting with president xi is one of the senate's republican leaders, roy blunt. senator, as kevin just reported, president trump has agreed to pause any increase in tariffs or any new tariffs for 90 days while we negotiate with the chinese about trade issues,
trade architecture issues, like trade technology and also about their buying more u.s. goods. but isn't that the kind of vague, nonspecific offer from the chinese that the trump administration has rejected in the past? >> chris, first let me join all the americans who are expressing such gratitude for president bush and his life and his great example, but on this topic, people like me who have really been concerned about the president's stated trade policy, can take some encouragement about what happened in the last couple days, the signing of the u.s./canada/mexico agreement, that's a big step that six months ago or even just a few weeks ago we were concerned we would not be making that kind of progress. and on the chinese front, you're exactly right. but we need more specifics here. the ag products that come from my state, that come from the middle of the country, i think
the soybean exports to china have gone to virtually zero, from about one out of every three rows of missouri soybeans were being exported to china. so whether it's those kinds of crops or pork or beef or chicken, we need to see some real specific figures here. this has hurt a lot of missouri farm families and farm families all over the country. but the president's goal to get china in a better and fairer place in trade is the right goal. i'm just hoping that what we've seen in the china -- in the canada/mexico side of the ledger is going to have the same kind of impact as we're negotiating seriously with china. chris: do you worry -- and you kind of indicate you do -- about the impact that the president's trade wars around the world, but especially with china are having on the economy? we see the stock market jumping up and down, gm announced
layoffs this week, that it's going to close five plants and lay off 15,000 workers. do you worry that the president's trade policy is playing a role in all of that? >> i am concerned about it. and the president knows that. he's been very open to talking with me about it. but i think it's hard to win a trade war and i also think, though, the facts on the table with china are stronger than any other country in terms of our legitimate concerns and the more other things that the president can move off the table, whether it's canada, mexico, the e.u., japan, the more of those things he can move off the table, the more flexibility he has with china, but i'd like to see china become the market that they should be for us but i would also like to see china create the opportunities for american companies that invest there, to do things besides just steal our intellectual property and violate the agreements that china has clearly made and
doesn't stand up to. chris: senator, president trump also canceled his meeting with vladimir putin at the g-20. he said it was because of russian aggression against ukraine, but the russians, a spokeswoman for the russian foreign ministry suggested the main reason, the real reason may be because of president trump's domestic political problems including new revelations from the special counsel. two questions about that. do you think that the special counsel's investigation has cast a cloud and made it more difficult for president trump to do business on the world stage? and what do you think of the fact -- this is not the first time that robert mueller has announced some action just as the president was headed out on a foreign p trip. >> well, i haven't thought a lot about the mueller timing here. i certainly do think lieing to the intelligence committee that impart of is a big mistake for whoever does it and creates lots
of problems for the committee itself. when you thigh a -- when you thigh a congressional committee, when you lie to an investigation where hundreds of thousands of hours are being spent, the question you ask the next witness may be different, a witness you don't call may be somebody you would have called, if you had gotten the right answer. i'm glad to see the special prosecutor taking that particular crime seriously, but on the russian front, i hope if the president did have any words to exchange with president putin, it was outrage about what the president -- what the russians are doing in ukraine. it is totally unacceptable. the president i think announced that he wasn't going to have that meeting pretty quickly after what happened in ukraine as opposed to in response to anything else and if the president had a chance to talk to president putin, i hope his talk was very frank and no holds
barred, that we are not going to accept the kind of activity that the russians are looking at in ukraine and crimea and better send a strong message about the rest of eastern europe. chris: senator blunt, thank you. thanks for coming in. >> great to be with you. chris: always good to talk with you, sir. joining us now, the number two democrat on the senate foreign relations committee, ben carden. senator, your reaction to the pause that has been announced in president trump's trade war with china. >> well, chris, first it's good to be with you and clearly it is encouraging to see that we are talking with the chinese on the trade front. china has created many problems with trade. they have many obstacle toss free trade. my concern about the president's trade policy is that its first action was to take tariffs against our closest allies, based upon national security exceptions. we lost the unity that we needed in dealing with china. so now as we go to a g-20
meeting, the conversations take place between only two partners where we would have been stronger if we had our closest allies working with us in regards to a china solution. chris: we talked with senator blunt about the gm layoff. you know about that personally because part of that layoff is the closing of a facility in baltimore that employs more than 300 people. do you think the president's trade policy and the imposition of tariffs, not just on china but other countries around the world has played a part in the gm layoffs, the added cost for steel and aluminum, and for a lot of the economic instability that we're seeing right now. >> i do. i do think that the way the president's gone about the trade policies, imposing tariffs, there's a consequence. there's a domestic consequence. and clearly general motors' decisions are in part based upon the tariff issue. so, yes, it has an impact and it cost us jobs here in america.
chris: let's turn to russia and you heard my discussion with senator blunt about the cancelling of the meeting, varied reasons given. the white house says it was because of russian aggression in ukraine. the russians suggested it may have been because of president trump's problems with the special counsel. do you worry ought all that the special counsel is casting a cloud over this president and his ability to do business on the world stage? after all, robert mueller's been at this since may of 2017 and, yes, there have been some guilty pleas including from michael cohen this week but there still is no solid evidence of any collusion between president trump and the russians. >> chris, i worry more about this president interfering with an independent investigation and what impact that has not only in america but for the rule of law around the world. mr. mueller needs to be able to complete his investigation
without interference. he's already had too much interferencinterfrom the -- intm the trump white house. i believe that america, our president needs to respect the independence of this investigation and that's a clear message around the world. no, i don't think this investigation is affecting america's ability to deal with our problems around the world. chris: finally, i've got about a minute left. president trump says that we still don't have solid evidence that saudi crown prince mow muhammad bin sal man was responsibility for the murder of jamal khashoggi. do you think he's wrong? secondly, even if you believe he is responsible, how do we balance our outrage over this horrific act with the fact that it may be in our national security interest to continue to have an alliance with saudi arabia? >> chris, i sort of compare this to president trump's denial of
mr. putin's involvement in our 2016 elections even though the evidence was very clear. there's no doubt in my mind that the crown prince understood what was happening in turkey and was very much involved in that. we cannot allow that type of conduct to go unchallenged. our strength, american foreign policy, the values we stand for and what happened in turkey affects all of our core beliefs. the united states has to have a pretty strong position on it and we have to demand that there be accountability. that doesn't mean we can't continue to have a strategic relationship with the king dumbf saudi arabia. they need america. it's more important for that relationship from the saudi's point of view. we must make it clear that can't go unchallenged. chris: senator carden, thank you. thanks for your time. always good to talk with you, sir. >> thanks, chris. chris: up next, we'll have a live report on the plans to honor george h.w. bush.
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week, arrangements george bush approved as his final message to the country he loved so dearly. >> reporter: he surrounded by family, friends and clergy during his final hours friday night inside his home in the gated community and his final words were to his son, george w., who told him on speaker phone he had been a wonderful andad and he loved him, bush 41 told his son, i love you too and he passed not long after. tomorrow, the casket will be transported to washington, d.c. thanks to a lift from the white house. >> most off know the process, the procedure, but we'll be sending air force one which is a special tribute that he deserves. he'll be missed. he'll be greatly missed. a terrific person, a terrific man. >> reporter: president bush will light in state in the capital rotunda for 38 hours until 7:00 a.m. wednesday, declared a national day of mourning, stock markets will be closed and
congress will hold off on votes, focusing instead on the funeral service at the national cathedral where president trump and first lady melania is expected. afterwards, george h.w. bush will return home for a family funeral at saint martin's open he'churchon thursday morning. he'll be buried along side his wife barbara and daughter robin who died of leukemia as a child. today is expected to be quiet, reserved for family and close friends. chris. chris: rick leventhal, reporting from houston. thank you. i had the good fortune to sit down with george bush twice after he left office. i think our talks give you a real insight into why so many people who knew this president, including me, loved the man. the first time was at his presidential library and museum at texas a & m university. i asked the president where he got his strong commitment to
public service. >> some of it was from my parents. i watched my father at an early age, not realizing what he was up to, doing a lot of charitable works. my mother pounded into us early on do something for others. it's always been a part of my life but i really believe it. i really believe there can be no definition of a successful life that does not include service to others. chris: do you feel a tremendous sense of pride when you see not just your children, but your grandchildren carrying on the family tradition? >> total sense of pride and great happiness. i'm not in -- i don't try to sit at the head table anymore. i've done that. i've enjoyed it. i have had a lot of challenges. i taken no takeenormous pride ie grand cismedz i want to be around to see their success in life. chris: i know you're not -- you're going to shutter when i
say this, but aren't you a dine city, lik citi -- dynasty like e kennedys. >> two words i don't like, dynasty and legacy. we don't think of ourselves as a dindynasty. i hope some of my grandkids will be involved in politics. chris: why not legacy? >> i'd like to have somebody else figure out that's what motivates me and motivates barbara. i just think let the historians do it. chris: you have led the most remarkable life, war hero, successful businessman, ambassador to the u.n., liaison to china, c.i.a. director, vice president, president, elder statesman. how do you explain it? how was george h.w. bush able to accomplish so much? >> oh, i guess some of it is --
it might be ambition, which is not a particularly worthy way of describing it. when i was down, a president comes along and gives me an interesting assignment and that's happened two or three times in my life. so i don't really find it that remarkable looking back. i find that i've had a very exciting and wonderful challenge of a life and -- but then i don't miss a lot of the things i used to -- i used to pick up the paper, turn on the fox and listen to the news and say listen to this, look at this, so on, don't do that anymore. i'm a calmer, quieter old guy. chris: kinder, jen del -- gentler. >> i really am. chris: we started with a recreation of the oval office, and i asked mr. bush if he ever lost his sense of awe for the room. >> you always feel that it's a special place for the american people and for foreign visitors. a lot of them stand outside,
american citizens, i'm going to go in and tell this guy out and then they get in there and the legs start shaking, they don't tell you off. it has a image sigh to it. chris: it's been called the ultimate home court advantage. >> that's very true. when i walked into the office from this door over here, you feel a sense of awe and a sense of respect and i tried to treat the office with respect. but i have many happy memories. i look down there and there was a secure phone in there and i remember colin powell coming in one day and they said well, it's time to end the shooting in kuwait and he picked up the secure phone right there and was on there to schwartzkoff, in 45 seconds and they confirmed it was time to end the battle. chris: we moved on to a version of the situation room where president bush and his team handlehandled things.
you had to deal with choices the president faced during the first gulf war, such as when to tell the american people in 1990 he was sending troops to saudi arabia to confront saddam hussein. >> if they knew immediately, that wouldn't be prudent. >> no, it wouldn't be prudent, not going to do. chris: i'll try three. >> yes, congratulations. >> you macin amazing role you'r. >> easy for you to make a decision or would you agonize on it a lot? >> when they say we need a decision by 5:00 today, i had no problem doing that. you always hoped you were right. chris: we spoke with him again in january of 2009. just as george w. bush was about to leave the white house. and we discussed that historic relationship between a father and son who were both presidents. there's been a lot of pop psychology about you and -- >> oh, yeah.
chris: and 43 i'll call him in your presence. i know you hate these questions but -- >> go ahead. chris: what's your relationship? >> like any other father and son. they have a loving relationship, total confidence, one in the other. i tried to stay out of his way on the issues but i'm in touch by telephone. yesterday evening we got home to houston, telephone rings, it's the president, how's mom, how are you doing, dad? be like any family and that's important i think especially in times of real difficulty for our country. chris: do you think there's ever been an -- i say this frankly thinking of my father and me, ever been a sense of competition with you and him? >> you hear it but there isn't any such competition. it burns me up a little bit -- when the president first came in, i thought some people around him were trying to like you've got to establish your own persona. he didn't have to establish
anything. i've known who he was and he's known that we know that. but i don't think there's ever been any competition of that nature that i'm aware of. i don't think he's ever felt it. chris: we also spoke about his son jeb, who was then the former governor of florida. >> i'd like to see him run. i'd like to see him be president some day. chris: really? >> or maybe senator or whatever. yes, i would. right now is probably a bad time. we've got enough bushes in there. no, i would. i think he's as qualified and as able as anyone i know in the political scene. you've got to discount that he's my son. he's my son that i love. chris: would you really want after all you've gone through yourself and your son to have another son go through this. >> absolutely. it's about service. service to the greatest country on the face of the earth. and the honor that goes with it. but not just to be president. not to be something, but to earn it and to do something that makes you worthy and i think jeb fits that description. chris: when we talked about a
year ago, i asked you if you planned to mark your 85th birthday the way you spent your 80th birthday by jumping out of an airplane and you said yes at that time. is that still your goal? >> still on. it will be on june -- right around june 12th. as you can see, i'm hob -- hobbling down the hall with a cane. just because you're an old guy doesn't mean you need to suck on your thumb, drooling in the corner. old guys can do stuff. it brings out the fact that old people can still do interesting things, scary things, exciting things. chris: our lasting memory of this remarkable man and his values was from our earlier interview wit at his presidentil library. when we walked into the kind of tent where u.s. soldiers camped in the desert during the first gulf war. it's got to be the hardest thing for any president to send troops into combat. >> it's the toughest decision a
president can make. nothing compare toss it when you send somebody else's kids, somebody else's son, somebody else's daughter into harm's way. chris: on a personal level, how do you live with it? >> well, with all respect, you pray and you rely heavily on a team of experts but in the final analysis, you live with the decision and sometimes things work out great and sometimes i was very worried they won't. when you suit up to be president, that goes with the territory. chris: the library had a powerful film that took you back to that night in 1991 when the air war was launched. >> i'll never forget that night. chris: you must be thinking, as this is going on, get home, everybody get home. >> yeah. bring them home. chris: the president remembered the courage and humanity of american soldiers and he grew
emotional. >> my favorite picture is the picture of american soldiers surrounding a guy in a fox hole, iraqi soldier and the american guy says we're not going to harm you, we're american soldiers. > chris: this really brings back the sacrifice, doesn't it, sir? >> sure does. that side of the war never got -- the fact that he treated those people with respect in spite of the fact they were the enemy, it's really good. chris.chris: for years, i havet george h.w. bush was the greatest living american. now, we have lost him. up next, more recollections of president bush from two men who knew him well, former vice president dick cheney and former
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commander in chief, i can report to you our armed forces fought with honor and valor and as president i can report to the nation aggression is defeated, the war is over. [ cheering and applause ] chris: president bush a announcing the end of the gulf war and joining me now two men who knew him well, former vice president dick cheney, who served as bush's secretary of defense during that war, and james baker, who was the secretary of state. gentlemen, welcome back to fox news sunday. secretary bake e. let me start with you. you have called george bush one of our most underrated presidents. what is it you think people failed to understand about george bush and why do you think so many people missed it? >> well, i'm not sure why they missed it, chris, except perhaps because he was not re-elected. he was a one term president. in my view and i would bet this is true with dick cheney as well, he was the very best one
term president this country's ever had and perhaps one of the very best presidents of all time. but he didn't blow his own horn one of his wonderful character traits was to let other people take credit. that was something he was brought up with and that's the way he operated. he was an extraordinarily -- if you think about it, you go back and look at the record, he was an extraordinarily consequential president of the united states, particularly in the arena of foreign affairs. chris: let me pick up on that with vice president chai any. cheney.i think it's fair to saye centerpiece of the bush presidency was the victory in the gulf war over saddam hussein. what stands out for you about the way that he led that fight and what about the controversy that we continue to hear his decision not to go on to baghdad
and tol topple saddam. >> in terms of his leadership, important thing to remember, chris, is what we put together during those years, nsc and jim at state, me at defense and the president as commander in chief, we all worked together during the ford years and it was in my opinion, i'm probably biased, but about the most successful national security foreign affairs defense team that had been my experience to watch operate. >> you're absolutely accurate, dick. >> it was -- well, the president obviously was a key part of it and jim and brent and i would have breakfast every wednesday morning and most of the time we could solve our problems among us, once in a while we would have to take it to him and he would resolve it. but he was a consequential leader, as you've said. his knowledge of foreign leaders, people he had worked with over the years, his understanding of the military,
his willingness to support the military, we gave him a very long list of things we wanted to have in the gulf before we launched the offensive weapons. he didn't turn down on anything. he approved all of them and said all right, now show me how you're going to do it. he was a great leader. chris: secretary baker, one of the things that strikes me about george bushies that he didn't take the easy path. he left yale to volunteer and to become the youngest navy pilot. he left connecticut, he could have had a very comfortable life there to strike out on his own and become an oil man in texas. what do you think that was about? >> well, i think it was about taking on the hard challenges. he was not afraid to take risks, no risk, no reward kind of thing. but let me say a quick word if i might, chris, about the centerpiece as you said of his foreign policy presidency, the war, the first gulf war, which
was in my view a textbook example of the way to fight a war. you tell the world what you're going to do, you get the world -- all the referre rest of the d behind you to do it, you do that and nothing more, you bring the troops home and you get other countries to pay for it. we've never done that before. that is a textbook example of the way to fight a war. but while that may be the centerpiece of his foreign policy a accomplishments, it certainly wasn't the only one. you look at the fact that he was able to manage and end a peaceful end to the cold war, that was a huge, huge accomplishment. chris: mr. vice president, in 2015 president bush told a buy offing grabogra pheer he called, his quote, iron ass and i
wonder, one, what you thought of the criticism and two, what did that do to your relationship with george bush. >> well, first of all, i was more i guess of an iron ass when i was vice president. the thing that intervened between my time in defense for 41 and my time as vice president was 9/11. we had had 3,000 of our people killed on 9/11, more people than we lost in pearl harbo pearl pee moved into a wartime setting rather than simple law enforcement. i think it was important to do that. after he made those comments, he sent me a note, one of the notes which are great to have, this one said dear dick, i did it he went on to tell me what a great american i was. but he also that year when we went to the annual alphalfa
club, he enjoyed those dinners and he invited me to sit at the head table at the dinner. >> that's the kind of person he was. let me say, that's the kind of person george bush was. there was a story early in his administration in 1989 to the effect generally that, well, the national security council's running foreign policy, the state department's out of it, they're not -- and i got a phone dprawl thcall from the presidend i want you to come up to camp david with me for the weekend. we did so. there was never another story like that for the next four years. chris: george bush was not just your colleague, not just your boss, he was your dear friend for more than 60 years and we have learned in the last few hours that you were with him when he passed away on friday
night t. to the degree you feel comfortable doing it, can you share with us his last moments. >> he had a very gentle and peaceful passing, chris. only one of his children was living in houston, neil bush, neil and his wife maria were there. my wife susan and i, his rektor from our church, saint martin's church in houston. the doctor, some of the wonderful aides that took care of him in his later years. it was a sweet situation they made arrangements for all of his children to call in to in effect tell him good-bye and his last words, the last words george bush ever said were i love you and he said those words to 43, george bush, president george bush 43 who called in to say dad, i love you, i will see you on the other side.
and president bush said i love you and those were his last words. another tender moment about that, chris, was that the irish tenor ronan tynan was in town. he happened to be there and he sang a couple of songs for president bush on that last evening and he said one of them was silent night and as he was singing, president bush was mouthing the words of silent night. he had a very gentle and easy passing, the kind we ought to all hope we have. chris: secretary baker, mr. vice president, we want to thank you both so much. thank you for joining us today. >> thank you, chris. >> thank you. thanks, chris. chris: up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss the legacy of president bush, oh, how he hated that word.
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regrets in the sense of not being able to communicate better, but i know if i would have had the skills of ronald reagan, i probably would have had another four years. he was so good. chris: former president bush discussing one of the big disappointments in his life was failing to win re-election as president in 1992. it's time for our sunday group. karl rove, incoming house republican conference chair, liz
cheney, and columnist for the hill, juan williams. carl, i think it's fair to say that president bush was a classic moderate republican, he negotiated bipartisan compromises such as the americans with disabilities act in 1990, he negotiated a budget deal which may have cost him his presidency. in order to cut the deficit, he broke his pledge, no new taxes. how different is the washington of george wash in terms of legislating, compromising, to the washington of today. >> i think it's somewhat different. in that respect. but i think it's really different the tone he set. he was of the greatest generation. there was a humility, respect and dean sig decency about him. his best friend in congress was a democrat from akron, ohio. he had friendships across the aisle based on shared
background, shared experiences in the time they were together. we don't see that much in washington anymore. chris: it's interesting, liz, when i asked your dad the question about iron ass, i was a little nervous about it. he gave such a great answer. it was so revealing about president bush. he expressed his opinion but it wasn't personal and he reached out and made a show of sitting together with your dad at the alfalfa club dinner. >> let me say i'm a proud member of team iron ass, chris. president bush, i was struck both by that story, but also by the piece where he was talking about the soldier in desert storm. i think that the emotion that he showed in terms of how proud he was, how moved he was of america, of our military, and i think that's something that really helps when you're talking about bipartisanship, is getting back to remembering the fundamental goodness and greatness of somebody like
george bush and also of our military. that's something we should all remember. chris: i want to get to the original question i asked carl. you and i had the good fortune to cover presidents reagan and bush in the '80s. it seems like a different world in terms of government's ability -- the leadsers of government to come together, to compromise and to solve our problems. >> no question, chris. we live in a polarized political age today, so divided. the way i think of it is out optimism versus pessimism. the message coming from the leader to the american people, when think of president bush, i think of someone who crossed the aisle. i was really taken by what carl said about his best friend being a democrat while he served those two terms in congress and of course he followed reagan's
pronouncement, let no one speak evil of another republican. versus donald trump who has a polarizing relationship with democrats and also attacks other republicans who don't agree or embrace him. and again, i think also of policy issues like guns, after oklahoma city in 1995, president bush quit the nra, quit his lifetime membership. after what happened in parkland, florida, you see president trump not only say that we should arm teachers, but continued to do business with the nra. chris: i'm not sure, liz, that i would go along with the attack on president trump because, frankly, not to say that he doesn't make mistakes and hasn't done some things wrong but i think there's cull pan culpabill sides. is the perception that ton has washington has become a zero sum game where all sides feel i only
win if the other side loses, is that fair, is it fair to say this polarization is preventing us from addressing our problems and dealing with them. >> well, i really missed juan. i forgot how much. [ laughter ] >> look, we are very polarized. one thing that's true, and i can speak for -- on the floor of the house of representatives, there isn't venom all the time. i found you can sit down next to anybody from any party, they've got an interesting story and they're good people there for the right reasons. it is the truth, however that, we have big issues. we have a lot of democrats coming in who are socialists. that's not -- i'm not a edge ann rating. i think it's important that we have aggressive and clear policy debates. we have to make sure we understand the national security threat that's out there, as well as the threat we're faceing from the perspective of our debt and the socialist set of agendas, set of issues which i think leader pelosi is probably going
to be compelled to have to push forward or ones that will be disastrous for the nation. i think we've got to fight and fight hard on those issues. chris: i think juan is going to say he missed you. >> we've known each other quite a while. chris: let's try to end this on a personal note. carl, when you and i before the show began, you were saying george h.w. bush changed the arch of your life. what did this mean to you? >> great, make me cry on national television. i went to work for him when i was in my early 20s. and the rest of my life is a result of being associated with him. and you know, he taught me what it was like to -- what kind of person i would strive to be. anybody who was around george bush came to love him and admire him and to try and emulate him. he was a kind and gentle and decent person, also strong and principled with great
convictions and character and integrity. when you were around him, you wanted to emulate those things. look at that incredible life that he had and jim baker put his finger on a big part of it. the fearlessness of a kid that grows up in privilege in the east and his father's a big wig in a wall street firm, he says like so many americans,ism going to strike out for the west. i'm going to learn the oil business from the bottom up. i'm going to strike a new life. if you go to midland texas, see the modest house, it's knot bigger than the stage are on here that he lived in. he jumped on as a republican in texas. he served our country so well and so many great positions, and he did so -- you talk to people who had a chance to work with him whether it was at the cia or in china or as vice president or wherever, in the oil patch, and they admired him because he was not only a very great man, he was a very good man. chris: let me quickly --
because we're running out of time. liz, any personal remembrance of this man, any dealing that you had with him, directly or through your dad? >> i just remember election night in 2004 up in the residence of the white house when president bush 41 saw my daughter and he walked over here and he said i'm the oldest person here and you're the youngest and we need to sit together tonight. they sat together, deep in conversation. chris: it must have meant a lot to him. it was the ter was the second tr got and his son did. >> you he was a great and good man. >> i traveled with him especially in '94 for the regan re-election. one of the things that struck me, he wrote notes every day to lots of people, knew them as human beings, had a relationship. so he was asking for something, it wasn't that it was the first call, he was asking because he knew you and you knew him. i've got say to reassert what carl just said, one of the
kindest, most loving people. self effacing. chris: thank you, panel. we'll see you all next week back in washington. up next, how visitors at the reagan presidential library are getting the chance to meet the 40th president, ronald reagan, face-to-face, as fox news sunday continues from simi valley, california. when my hot water heater failed, she was pregnant, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they were on it. it was unbelievable. having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa- now that's a privilege. we're the baker's and we're usaa members for life. usaa. get your insurance quote today.
chris: one more look at the reagan presidential library on a mountaintop on california's simi valley. president reagan died in 2004. this year his presidential library found a way to bring him back to life. here's a look. >> hello, mr. president. >> hello. chris: ronald reagan greets visitors to his library, at least a three dimensional hologram of the president does, using remarks he made on a train tour during the 1984 campaign. >> we see america's best days ahead. chris: in the oval office. >> you don't just give speeches in the oval office, you also say prayers. chris: and at his california ranch. >> it truly is america the beautiful. chris: it took 18 months for a visual effects studio to bring the giffer back to life, using
computer generated imagery, a silicon cast of reagan's head was photographed at various an gets. hiangles. his head was digitally placed on the body of an actor playing the president. >> we've got to do a better job of getting acros across that ama is freedom. chris: the exhibit is the first of its kind in a presidential library. >> we think we've made a good beginning but you ain't seen nothing yet. [ cheering and applause ] chris: and come see it because it is pretty cool. before we go, a special thanks to the reagan library and the reagan national defense forum for inviting us here once again. stay tuned to this station and fox news channel for continuing coverage of the nation's farewell to president bush. and that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you back in washington next fox news sunday.