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with us. that is the story on this monday night. we will be back with continuing coverage from washington, d.c., tomorrow. tucker carlson is coming up next. good evening, everybody. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the migrant caravan that they told you didn't exist israel and tonight it's languishing in tijuana. amazingly the local population of people who live in tijuana -- is a disaster. here is what tijuana look like e tonight. he says it's past time for the caravan to go back to honduras. plus, paris is burning and there are riots in the street.
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most news outlets are lying and they won't tell you why. or what this is. turns out it's a backlash against climate change agenda. tonight, the comey probe continues to hurt people who clearly have no connection to my connection at all to russian spying. comey's up prosecutors and trapped him in perjury and threatened him with prison all in an effort to make them compliant. plenty of others though on television or confident that the jerome corsi connection is finally the big breakthrough. >> the question now is, as he crossed the line legally? it looks every day that this goes on it looks like he has more and more. >> of the basic lay of the land
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is that you have a special counsel with extremely strong hand of which we are seeing a small piece. >> a special counsel with an extremely strong hand a crushing jerome corsi. jerome corsi, and mr. corsi, thanks very much for coming on. last we spoke my understanding was for our previous conversation, you made a mistake. he said, he forgot the date of an email that you forwarded and you went and told the special prosecutor's office that they made that mistake, and they allowed you to amend your testimony. but then at a later time when you didn't say what they wanted you to say, they came back to prosecute you for lying. is that correct?
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>> they hadn't reloaded the first day of testimony and i had forgotten about two emails. when i finally loaded the time machine, i realized these emails where they are. special prosecutor he allowed o amend the testimony, and in the one count i wanted to plead guilty to, they wanted to charge me with knowingly and willfully giving false information on the original days mistake, not taking into account that they had allowed me come the special prosecutor, to amend the testimony which i thought was completely fraudulent. >> tucker: is certainly odd and most lawyers that we had spoken to hadn't heard of something like that. why were they pressing you on that? >> from day one, they blew up. they said they would have enough to throw me in prison because i have gotten these emails. i'm convinced it was all strategy. i went in to cooperate. i gave my computers, i gave my time machine, i handed over voluntarily my emails and my
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twitter account, et cetera. everything they wanted. the first day is a memory test, i don't get the memory test right and suddenly i will be thrown in prison for the rest of my life. it's an intimidation tactic and i'm quite convinced it's intentional. >> tucker: intimidating you to get you to do what? what do they want you to do that you refuse to do? >> the key thing is they wanted me to be the key link between roger's own, to me, to julie and massage. then roger stone to steve bannon and donald trump, in coordination with masada. m. on that flight i calculated and figured out -- i have never met him or emailed him, and i have no contact with anyone who is in touch with him. and the prosecutors refused to
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believe this. so it led to grilling after grilling after grilling. constantly -- they have an 8-inch thick book with my name on it and mr. zelinski, one of the prosecutors, won't tell me if it's all about me. they are asking me questions and pulling files out and saying this email contradicts it. well i don't remember that email, i don't remember in detail any of my emails. >> and, i don't know the standing of a criminal complaint but in principle, i'm rooting for you. >> tucker: alan dershowitz is a retired harvard law school professor, author of "the case impeaching trump." and he joins us tonight.
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if jerome corsi claims he is allowed to claim his testimony, and then being threatened with prosecution for lying, using the first unamended transcript of the testimony. does that pass the legal smell test? >> i don't think so. there is no law prohibiting someone from being indicted for lying on the basis of the first lie, but in 55 years of practicing criminal law, i have never heard or read of any case where a person was allowed to amend his testimony and then corrected it, and was then threatened with indictment for the unamended, original alleged ally. that just seems unprecedented if
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those facts are correct. >> so what would be the point of doing that? what's actually going on here, do you think? >> we know what's going on because judge ellis told us what's going on. he was a judge in the paul manafort case. that's the modus operandi of the special counsel, to get as many people as possible to commit perjury or to lie, then squeeze them and use pressure on them and have them testify against a major targets of the investigation. the risk of that was not only will people saying but they will compose, elaborate, or tell the story even better. i know the better the story, the better the deal. but having said that, i don't think that we are going to hear a criminal complaint being taken seriously by the justice department against the special prosecutor. that's never happened.
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but raising this as a defense, both as a legal defense and a factual defense i think has some real credibility. i think they have a very defensible case and it would be wise not necessarily to capitulate to the threat of prosecution. now there may be more there, i don't know. i'm not giving him legal rights. but based on what you asked, that could be a very weak case. >> tucker: and that's his account of it. but if that's true, adding that to everything else we know, is it possible that the prosecution, the a special prosecutor has lost the point of the exercise which is to protect the country from a hostile foreign power. >> the special counsel was supposed to apply find crimes g
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to russia. as far as we know, he hasn't found very many of those. what he has done is help create crimes. that is he is giving an opportunity to lie, not that it's his fault that they live but these are all crimes that occurred after that he became special prosecutor. and at the other crimes, most of the ones he was found before crimes, utterly unrelated to his mandate. the one exception to that may b be: testifying about the $150,000 payment to one of the women but that's a very questionable case because you are allowed to make contributions to your own campaign particularly if the purpose is to save you embarrassment with family and friends. >> tucker: how common is this among prosecutors? this kind of behavior?
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trying to convince someone. good prosecutors don't try to manufacture, and good prosecutors to create evidence. prosecutors do a lot of things but good prosecutors, i think they don't do what allegedly is being done here. and i think that once the report comes out and wants the president has an opportunity through his legal team to respond to the report, maybe, we will see both sides of the issue. and up till now, we haven't really seen. >> tucker: mafia and terrorist, jerome corsi of course in either category. great to see you. the president spoke briefly at the g20 summit in argentina this
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weekend but a planned one-on-one meeting one meeting with the russian president vladimir putin was canceled. administration blamed the cancellation on russia's recent behavior toward the ukraine. it also came shortly after michael cohen's plea deal with the comey investigation. in the end, the president did have an informal meeting with vladimir putin anyway. stephen joins us to sort this out, he's the author of a fantastic new book which you should read called "war with russia: from pollutant to ukraine to trump and russia gate." which i just got and read and love. so sort this out if you would. so why the change and what are the implications of it? >> for the first time since president eisenhower, a president of the united states,
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donald trump, is not free to keep us from war with russia. that is one of the themes of my new book, "war with russia" that you mentioned. remember what happened. trump was supposed to meet with putin in argentina. was it important? it was very important. we are embroiled in crises that are brought with pot war, not just cold war, from syria to the ukraine. this episode in the russian and ukrainian waters occur. it seems clear that was a provocation to disrupt the meeting between trump and vladimir putin, and it was successful. trump felt because of these russia gate allegations, clearly that you just discussed, that trump feels not free and think back to john kennedy during the cuban missile crisis.
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that was a model of what we should never do again and the other issue was that president kennedy was free to negotiate with the criminal leader. that's not the case today and that is why i think the danger of war with russia, at least since the cuban missile crisis, is greater in my lifetime, in history and greater than its ever been because of the russia gate allegations of which i have yet to see any authentic evidence. and we saw that last week, trump either felt he could not unlike the resolve to go ahead and meet with putin even though this meeting is desperately needed, there is a new crisis every month with russia. >> tucker: so let me ask the most basic question. clearly there are forces pushing for war with russia, in effect in our country, and who are they and why are they doing that? >> i'm not sure they actually
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want actual russia because in my mind that means a possibility of nuclear war. a few decades ago, you and i would have an oh, my god, conversation. somehow that is gone in these russia allegations that trump is somehow under the influence of the kremlin. whoever promotes the russia gate allegations and is primarily democrats, not only but primarily the democratic party is endangering our national security. now that is not a popular thing for a person such as myself and people denounce me for saying it. it's a real truth based on my 50 years of studying american and russian relations. we are in a dangerous situation, this has to stop and has to stop very soon. >> tucker: professor steve: . anyone who has followed you or russia for the last several
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decades knows the weight that those words carry. i appreciate you saying that and i appreciate your new book. i hope you come back. thank you. >> tucker: we have a fox news alert, the president is expected within the hour to pay his respect to former president former president george w. bush lying in state inside the u.s. capitol rotunda. we monitor their capital for the president's arrival and we will bring it to you live in about 1. local residents of tijuana getting fed up with posting the migrant caravan. this is new video that tells a story of what is it is actually like among the trash and contamination. members of the local government are angry and one joins us after the break. ♪ today... back pain can't win. now introducing aleve back and muscle pain. only aleve targets tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve back & muscle.
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and two-hour appointment windows. click, call or visit a store today. >> tucker: the migrant caravan from honduras was headed for this country but stopped short in mexico and is now occupying the border city of tijuana. local residents and tijuana are getting increasingly fed up about its presence. he recently said the caravan leaders trick people into traveling north with false promises. he also says a caravan would be better off returning to their home countries. >> i'm looking at a picture of you with some kind of encampment behind you. can you tell our viewers what you are looking at? >> we are looking at a facility
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that is like an emergency chapter for them. they are going to try to cross through the beach, or jump the fence. you have to bring them over her here, and they were getting mad and they even started throwing stones at each other. they kept growing and growing. but when we were carrying the financial load of keeping these people with medicine and food and shelter, and its -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt but behind you it seems that someone is cleaning up garbage. is there lots of trash there?
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>> there is a lot of trash because what i try to tell you, the 360 grew to 6300. so we had another, it's a big concert hall where you can have like 10,000 people. we sent them over here but it has to be voluntary because the people from human rights, they have their delegates here, too. and they want to -- they wanted to treat them too kindly. so there are like 1500 people here, 2200 people there and there are like 2,000 people that aren't accounted for. >> tucker: unaccounted for. so basically you have illegal aliens from honduras in tijuana. how do you feel about that? >> while i have heard that like the border patrol has been going
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up in detentions. like 150 more than they are used to. there were there was an accident people dead in a pickup truck. some of the people are staying here. the ones that are outside here in the streets, they said it because they already started their paperwork for getting work permits here in mexico, they want to stay in mexico. they know someone popped the bubble of their american dream. 200 have been repatriated home voluntarily and we have deported more than 200. there have been like 236 detained by police and we send them through the immigration system. >> tucker: it so you are dealing with several thousand unwanted immigrants in tijuana. the united states right now has about 22 million illegal
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immigrants aliens living within our borders. can you understand it, now that you are seeing this first hand, the frustration of some americans about that? >> the people from tijuana are frustrated. these people came here legally, they went to our border and they started with a work visa, a student visa tourist visa. a lot of them do that, they try to do their paperwork also to go legally into the united states. many of them have families there, a lot of them have families in canada. i talked with people from the canadian embassy and they have a program that unites family, mexicans or hondurans who are working there and they have visas for that. but these guys didn't cross legally into mexico. they tore down our border and
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jumped. that -- that sympathetic. >> so finally how are you going to respond when this happens again because this will not likely be the last caravan that comes through tijuana? >> this president has a very different mind-set from the last person. this president says welcome, we are giving you a job and will create opportunities for you. and in tijuana we are worried and we are waiting for that to happen in the next day. the other shelter that was in charge of the town of tijuana, and we feel for you and we hope you will come back on and tell us how it's going. >> we hope it gets better before
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it gets worse. >> tucker: i hope so. thanks. this is a fox news alert. president george h.w. bush, the 41st president of the united states is lying in state tonight at the u.s. capitol building. the president has just arrived to pay his respects to his predecessor, fox chief correspondent ed henry is out the capital for us tonight. >> the motorcade arrived with president trump and first lady melania trump just in the last two or 3 minutes. they went inside on the senate side of the capital and they expect now that they will be meeting with some members of the bush family, friends and others who were here. then he will get a chance, the president along with the first lady, to go visit the casket. you see it right there, it's in the rotunda of the capital. this is the third u.s. president since 2004, former president who has been lying in state, in the
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capitol rotunda. ronald reagan in 2004, gerald ford, late 2006 and 2007. to give you an idea of the history, there is a wooden platform that the casket sits on and that is the same wooden platform that was used at president abraham lincoln's funeral in 1865. so they keep that in storage here and they know the sense of history and how where this is to have a former president lying in state. some remarkable moments in the rotunda, you saw democrats like nancy pelosi embracing george w. bush. , one of the president's son who served as president. president bush will be lying here in state until wednesday at 7:00 a.m. which of course is then a national day of mourning. then after the public viewing and they will go to national
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washington cathedral. >> bring in dana perino, who hosts "the daily briefing" here on fox. she knew the president well and work for her has fun. you knew the bush family well, we spent the last several days talking about george w. bush and his legacy. that could be a window into the man he was, which was his great and lifelong love of dogs, spaniels. and you saw that. >> your favorite, spaniels. watching as the president and first lady melania trump arrived at the capital, but my husband peter, who you know, is british. he became an american in 2006 and he was watching today and he said america sure does this kind of thing very well and i think
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that's true. he loved pets from when he was a young boy. they had pets all through their marriage of 73 years. one that many will remember is millie, and millie actually had puppies there at the white house. one of those puppies was named spot. spot was given to george w. bush and laura bush as a president, could present. with a little bit of history for everyone, spot was the only dog ever to live in the white house twice. i think that part of the reason that they had pets was, as barbara bush said, pets make a house a home and that's one of the things when you are trying to help a president feel like they have some normalcy, they only have a 32nd commute and pets help them do that.
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>> tucker: dogs are helpless without people, which is one of the great appeals about dogs but also the reason that dogs tell us so much about the people who have them, i would say. the former president's dog is sitting near the casket. >> sully is a service dog and he came to george h.w. bush in july when he was in kennebunkport. he could do things like turn on or off the light or alert somebody affording when needed help. he could open or close the door. but one of the things i remember when i saw 41 in june, his eyes really lit up when we talked about sully because he was going to be calm and become a part of the family. while he was very dramatic, standing watch over the person he was meant to help. this is a picture that kind of broke everyone's heart, not
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because we don't understand the family is going through things but it's one of those things, americans are caring creatures. we are caring about things that we have dominion over, and sully will go to walter reed medical center. and hopefully he can help train some other dogs. >> politicians all used to have dogs, it was almost required. now it's almost unusual. when you have a dog, it's not all about you, it's about the dog. george h.w. bush was one of those guys, he really felt like he was interested about the dog and not everything was about him. >> and the great thing is, you have a busy and hectic job and a busy schedule. the dog doesn't care that you got to speak to the prime minister of canada earlier in the day and had lunch, then later on you made a big decision about war and peace. the dog just wants to hang out
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and throw the ball, and received the -- here we see the president and melania trump headed into the rotunda. >> tucker: we are going to listen for a second.
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[ambient sounds] >> tucker: welcome back, dana perino and i are watching the president and the first lady leave the room. he is are not simply because he is president but it was the final wishes of the 41st president that he be there which struck a lot of people as unusual considering there has been this well-publicized tension between the families. tell us about that. >> i don't think it's not unusual if you knew 41, but also because again, as my husband said to come america does this thing very well.
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peaceful transfers of power from one president to the next. if you think about the letter that 41 wrote to bill clinton that he left in his desk in the oval office, basically he is saying, you are our president and i'm rooting for you. i will be here if you need me but i'm going to step out and let you do your job because, it wasn't for him about the person, it's also about the office of the presidency and how important that is to our country, the global world order and all of the things that we have been able to achieve in our country since the founding fathers gave us this great gift. this is a real passing from one generation to the next. the next generation is really all gone. president trump and melania trump are going there tonight, not only disrespecting 41, but they are also respecting and upholding the office of the presidency. i think we should all keep that in mind over the next few days.
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>> tucker: i agree with that. it was personal and nasty, and it was savage. the bush's as a family i think were really hurt by it. to write a letter like that right after that kind of campaign really says a lot. >> 43 says he wants asked his father, where did you find the strength to be so gracious and so kind to somebody who had just beaten you like that? and 41 said something very important, he said i have no choice. part of that is how he decided to live his life. and that's something i told you this morning, the idea of responsibility. how you choose to live your life, how you choose to parents. in that unconditional love is so important to his family, he had unconditional love for his country as well.
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of course a loss, but it's not easy to when a third term. it's very hard to have won a fourth one for any party. history gave him a enough time to see that his legacy was assured, especially on the foreign policy front. >> i think that's right. and it's reflected in the coverage which come up some exceptions husband fonda. >> in general i think people have been kind to a kind man. >> you are right. okay, good night. we are going to be right back. we will take you out with pictures of the 41st president lying in state in the capitol rotunda. ♪
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>> tucker: ever feel like you are the last to know about something? bill and hillary clinton might make you feel better about that, bill and hillary clinton are the only two people in the world who might not yet realize they aren't as popular as they once were. sales have been lackluster to put it charitably for the speaking tour. thousands of arenas seats have been covered up in toronto due to poor sales and ticket prices that began in the hundreds of dollars failed to single digits because nobody wanted to buy
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them. america is finally, mercifully getting over the clintons. marcus, before we assess what's obvious, which is, their time is over, the deeper question is, why don't they know that and what is the speaking tour about? >> i would have thought that if you didn't know before, looking out, and actually overestimated the number of seats. it was actually 83.4% empty, the arena in toronto. 83.4% empty. i believe actually the last time i guess toasted for you, the audience was suddenly 83.4% empty so these things can happen. >> tucker: i saw the numbers, that's not true. [laughs] >> when you are the president
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and, it's a great frank sinatra line. and that's what the 16.6% seating capacity in toronto was telling the clintons. >> i have to say in their defense they played this out a lot longer than i thought they possibly could. it's been over 25 years now. i've never found them very impressive but that managed to get incredibly rich and stay famous all this time, so they have had a long run considering where they started. but why do they feel the need to do this? that is what baffles me. >> it makes an interesting contrast with what is going on in the rotunda right now because you can say what you like about the first president bush but, his post-presidency was a model.
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and, he said something like, about bill clinton, he has a heatseeking glamour that lives in a permanent hyper present tense and dares him to join them there. she actually understood that they were on a perpetual hamster wheel, and they are raking in big box from a niche market. and, that's $10 canadian, which thanks to justin trudeau is about a buck 79 american right
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now. so, the difference between what a saudi prince is prepared to pay, that tells you what has happened to the clintons in the real world. >> so very quickly, i'm just speculating here, because maybe you know the answer. those eight or nine guys who dismembered khashoggi, how many were members to the clinton foundation. do you remember? >> the clever thing about them, the warring factions in the house of saud were all being done to the clinton foundation. i'm not saying there are different princes but they were all trying to buy off of the clinton foundation and the good old days. prices slashed to clear on the clinton foundation speeches now. >> i've noticed. mark stein, always so refreshing
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>> paris is on fire, the city seeing some of its worst riots in half a century. what exactly is going on here? if you turn on the television to other news outlets, you see people telling you that this is about gas taxes or economic
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hardship, or rising oil prices. >> they were fueled by a an increase in gasoline tax. >> the others had warned that this would be part three a of protest against a hike in the fuel tax. as a economic hardship long felt outside the city turned its wealthiest neighborhoods into a war zone. >> tucker: oh, they are lying. now will most of them have no idea because they are not interested in anything that's happening in brooklyn, but some of these people talking to you on television know what's actually going on and they are just not telling you. it's not about rising oil prices, that's false. it's about climate change and the climate agenda. the president has implemented it for the stated purpose of fighting climate change. now they are fighting their own
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citizens instead because the claimant agenda always crushes the middle class. always and everywhere. it's gotten virtually no coverage, despite being paris. this is a coalition of left and right against the elites. or am i misstating that? >> i think you are onto something here tucker, it's important to realize that these individuals, they are really frustrated because they see their government helping poor immigrants from generally north africa and some from the middle east, and certainly being on the side of the wealthy elites. they are being squeezed in the middle. what we are looking at here is a 30-cent per gallon gas tax increase, on what's already a
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$3.50 in taxes on gasoline. >> tucker: does that sound familiar at all to you? is there a political party on our continent that is tied to, say, finance, and people on welfare and nobody in between and is seeking to raise carbon taxes to fight global warming? i've heard of that. and almost half of that is taxe taxes. what they want to do is have a $49 per gallon gas tax in 12 years, and we need that, they say, to fight global warming and climate change. that would be a 14 fold increase on the taxes in france. in america, where the average is $0.49 per gallon of taxes, you go to $49 and that is 100 times increase in fuel taxes.
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it would wreak havoc on the middle class and it would utterly alter the u.s. economy. >> tucker: here's what i'm confused by. i understand people are sincerely concerned about climate change, i get it. i'm not denying its existence but the solutions baffle me. so why tax gas which only hurts the middle class? why not class, i don't know, soulcycle, or expensive dinners. or how about finance tax or banning private airplanes? that's never up for debate, ever. why? >> i think this is about control. this is about who gets to decide where we live and how we get to work in the life that we live. tucker, what's really disturbing to me is we just had the national climate assessment published by the federal government. and a key part of that report which was touted by "the new york times" and cnn said that our economy would be 10% smaller by the year 22100
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and thousands of people would die because of climate change. these were the two left-wing billionaires that want to be the next president. they were the ones along with the federal government unfortunately who financed the study that had no new science but he was very questionable economic modeling to say that things are going to be really bad in 80 years. >> tucker: i just wonder, both of those guys are for the gas tax, and, that wouldn't change our behavior, and the only way they could do that was taxing gas a lot. >> tucker: thanks, great to see you.
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>> tucker: want to bring home the bacon for your family this year? how about killing two birds with one stone by, i don't know, dropping off your kids off at school on the way to work? enjoy those idioms where you can, vegans may try to banish them. it's predicted that as veganism grows in popularity, animal based terms of speech could be banned for the sake of sensitivity. they instead suggest alternatives like, feeding two birds with one stone. you may think vegans have bigger fish to fry than that but if we learned anything in recent years it's just because something sounds ludicrous, doesn't mean it can't happen. not to beat a dead horse but
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this could happen. that's it for us tonight, and we will be back tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. i hope you've had a great hour. by the way, it continues with sean hannity live in new york city right now. >> sean: i got it down. welcome to this busy breaking news speak 25 tonight ago president trump visiting the capitol rotunda. president herbert walker bush will either in state. tonight, we honor the life and the legacy of the 41st president of the united states. he was a man devoted to his family, his country and making this world a better, freer and safer place. a lifetime of incredible service. and we will also have tonight my full interview with 41 from 2004 and we will also

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